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Ice Girl
Ice Girl
6:00 PM
No better than it
 
badass
badass
First find an actual example
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Cerberus If you were female, how would you feel if you were identified as being a "woman doctor" while your male colleague simply a "doctor"? And if you were a "woman bus driver" instead of a "bus driver", wouldn't the fact that your gender had to be mentioned be regarded as being patronising, offensive, objectionable etc.? A pilot is a profession, an architect and a lawyer likewise, as is an actor. I don't see why there has to be a distinction. — Mari-Lou A 7 hours ago
@badass What are your thoughts on words like "actress"?
 
badass
badass
never really thought much about them
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
OK.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
I want to my topic is best and unique and special
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
6:05 PM
I'm sorry, I don't have any inspiration right now.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Ok
 
badass
badass
think of a best and unique and special example
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I don't know how to respond to Mari-Lou.
I am incredibly offended by her accusation of sexism.
I'm very angry, but that is probably not a good basis for a reply.
 
badass
badass
gender distinction is apart of all languages, no?
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Thank you badass. If I know that I never ask
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
6:09 PM
@badass Yes.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
I think some of you are very proud
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Of what?
 
badass
badass
and some are humble
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
everything except Cerberus
 
badass
badass
are you calling me proud?
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
6:12 PM
YES
Not so much
 
badass
badass
ok ok, have you thought of any examples?
have you broken up with friends before?
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Yes I thought but I didn't find any special topic
No
 
badass
badass
make up a good story
something you would like to write about
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
What? I don't understand
 
badass
badass
what is the assignment?
Title please
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
6:20 PM
I should write essay about break up
 
badass
badass
"break up" in what way?
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
And I choose to write about breakup friendships
 
badass
badass
you should choose a
break up
you have experience in
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
@Robusto I guess you haven't seen old people fuck.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
I wrote my essay for the causes about break up friendship
 
Robusto
Robusto
6:27 PM
@MετάEd I guess you haven't encountered figurative language before.
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
@Robusto I would expect a figurative expression to resemble what it refers to in some way.
So if you mean that Barrie writes like a horny bunny, I'm with you.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@MετάEd Perhaps then you could point out where the analogy fails.
@MετάEd You play your games, I play mine.
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
Or maybe you mean that Barrie's fingers suck prose out of his keyboard like an octopus on a shark.
 
badass
badass
@IceGirl so you want causes?
 
Robusto
Robusto
I refer you to the transcript.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
6:30 PM
Yes
 
badass
badass
money, jealously
family
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
@Robusto Yes, you seem to want to say that Barrie's prose style puts you to sleep. Unless you mean post-coital exhaustion, I think your analogy with old people fucking is completely wrong.
I think you may be laboring under a misconception about old people sex.
 
Robusto
Robusto
You are entitled to your opinion.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Sorry, I need topic for causes of break up friendship
 
badass
badass
each of those is a topic
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
6:33 PM
@IceGirl How about having sex like an old person.
Surely that would break up a friendship.
 
badass
badass
sex breaks up friendships
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
No I don't think a good topic
 
MετάEd
MετάEd
@badass I would say sex breaks up some friendships.
@IceGirl how about distance.
 
badass
badass
or age
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
General topic and UNIQUE topic
 
badass
badass
6:36 PM
so you want a UNIQUE cause for a friendship to break up?
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
NO NO I need a unique TOPIC for my essay
 
badass
badass
define what you mean by "TOPIC"?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@JohanLarsson highly malleable (can be spread very thin, good for electronic contacts).
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Sorry I'm Very sorry I need TITLE about my essay
I'm really sorry
 
Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
@Mitch yes but not sure it is a desired property often. Soft and heavy.
 
Mitch
Mitch
6:43 PM
My point is simply that it is not -totally- useless.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus What part of what Mari-Lou wrote was objectionable? It seems pretty reasonable to me that some people might be offended by the "male is default" nature of our society.
 
badass
badass
@IceGirl don't be sorry, you can write it first, and then the title can be chosen that best describes the main topic of the essay.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
I wrote it
 
badass
badass
ok
 
Mitch
Mitch
@badass grammatically, no not part of all languages. I'm sure there are vocabulary items in all languages something about female, something about male. But grammatical gender is nowhere near universal.
We may be talking about different things though.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
6:46 PM
Another essay is about modern art can you help me what I write about it
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus too scary a rollercoaster for me. But it -does- look like a bubble, doesn't it?
@IceGirl money (borrowing), business (expectations of the other), love triangle (jealousy).
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Love triangle is related to Modern Art?
Are you sad badass?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus she's not chiding you for being sexist. Your comment is only saying that you like the differentiated forms because of their...history. She's giving a straightforward view of how the words make her (and other women) feel (which is the reason for the change in words).
@IceGirl oops, I was referring to your question about a topic for why friends might break up.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Ah thanks
 
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@Cerberus Good luck!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:07 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 1. Why is that reasonable at all? It's just words, not meaning. 2. This was bout using words like actress and queen, instead of actor and king for women.
@Mitch Could be? But now no more or less than elsewhen.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus The word choice is a symptom of the problem.
 
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I agree.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
The problem is that male is the default gender in our society and the word choice reinforces that.
 
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But, would Mari-Lou also object to 'he' and 'she'?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Transmissionfrom When used for unknown people, perhaps. I do.
 
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7:09 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 For pilots, not doctors or bus drivers.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, not unknown: known.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch It's all bullshit. There is nothing objective or invariable about how people feel, nor is it a criterion for how other people are allowed to use their language.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Or it could be just words and unrelated. Before you accuse people of sexism and forbid words, the burden of proof is on you.
@Transmissionfrom Thanks! ...with what?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Words are not a problem.
 
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@Cerberus I don't think you were accused. Literally.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Not literally, but the implication was very clear and deliberate.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus I don't have time to teach you women's studies 101. If you don't believe me that straight, white, and male are the defaults in our society, then there isn't much I can explain here.
@Cerberus Words are part of the problem.
 
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Don't read her as you think she thought read you. Necessarily.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:11 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They are, but that is not about words.
Words are not a part of a problem. Again, the burden of proof is on the accuser and the word-policeman.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus The problem is that male is the default and female is "marked".
So when people need to refer to a random person-who-acts-in-movies, they use the word "actor".
 
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If one speaks of a 'woman pilot', one stresses her gender, for some reason. I think.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Then when they need to be specific that this is a woman they are talking about, they mark it with the word "actress".
@Transmissionfrom oh, especially when the term is already neutral. Then by saying "woman pilot" you are calling out the fact that "pilot" defaults to male and that this particular pilot is different
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That is not a problem.
@Transmissionfrom Yeah, nobody would say that, it's just a silly straw man.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus It IS a problem.
 
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7:14 PM
But not with actress. I don't see an issue there. For now.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, the words are not a problem.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Transmissionfrom Sure it's a problem even for actress.
It's called the Screen Actors Guild.
 
badass
badass
Obviously a woman would have a different point of view about this than a man.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Not the Screen Actresses Guild.
Because Actors is the default word, used for male and non-specified genders.
 
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK, granted. But less of a problem.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:15 PM
@badass I rather think North-Americans have a different point of view about this than people in the rest of the world. My female friends agree with me 100 %.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Transmissionfrom It's not a life-and-death problem. But it is a pervasive issue in our society.
Kinda like "gay marriage".
Why is it called "gay marriage" instead of just "marriage".
Because straight is the default.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You are linking things that are not the same thing.
 
badass
badass
@Cerberus Ok then accept that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So who cares? Why should that offend me? It's bullshit. I call it gay marriage, everyone does.
@badass No?
I refuse to accept bigotry and intolerance.
Not to mention falsehood.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus So it is just a tiny piece of the larger puzzle that singles out gayness or femaleness as being somehow different. It reinforces the notion that the default, best idea is straight or male.
 
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7:17 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, that's not true. When speaking of a married couple, one says they are married, not gay-married. They have a marriage, not a gay-marriage. (The distinction is mostly law/church/whatever).
 
badass
badass
@Cerberus Americans do.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It does not reinforce, it is just a word.
@badass Well, I have nothing to do with that.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus women's studies. Go read about it. I don't have time to teach you all this stuff.
Suffice to say, lots of people think you're wrong about this.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, it's bullshit.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus I'm glad you think so.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:18 PM
Lots of people burn witches.
 
badass
badass
To each their own
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And worship the Pope.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
It's always nice when you're so open-minded about things.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It's not nice when people throw around accusations and insult people based on nothing.
 
badass
badass
The world is not a nice place
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:19 PM
It's not an insult to point out that we live in a sexist society.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It is an insult to accuse me of sexism.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
But you ARE sexist. Everyone is.
 
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But you cannot equate differentiating with sexist. Can you?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But apparently the word police can insult people.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Transmissionfrom I'm not. But in this case, it is. And even when it's not, it's part of the bigger problem.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:20 PM
Those who claim moral righteousness are often the furthest removed from it.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
 
badass
badass
well chosen^
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
thanks
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus What I find ironic is that you are most offended by the notion that someone might ask you to use a different word, because the word you are using offends them, when they are facing a systematic oppression that is both subtle and widespread.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Words are just words.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
7:22 PM
really?
interesting
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And, yes, I am offended by intolerance and narrow-minded prohibitions.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus No, they're not. Otherwise they are useless.
@Cerberus See, you're accusing Mari-Lou of being narrow-minded, but here I am accusing YOU of being narrow-minded. Funny how that works out.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, they are a means of communication.
 
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Are there any autistic feminists?
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Help me about modern art essay
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:24 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 At least I'm not oppressing people and telling them what to do.
 
badass
badass
Who names their kid "Mari-Lou"?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
who names their kid "badass"?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus You're doing the exact same thing you accuse Mari-Lou of doing. You're getting all offended about something someone wrote and you wish they would stop doing something.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I'm a kind of feminist. I love women. I think equal rights are very important. And to be patronised and judged by someone based on nothing, no proof or anything. It's so unfair.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mari-Lou didn't say anything offensive: she pointed out how SHE finds it offensive when people mark the female gender.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:25 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Being offended by a personal accusation makes sense. Being offended by random words does not.
 
badass
badass
random to you
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus The words are not random. They are a systemic problem. You refuse to consider that that might be the case. Fine, but I call that being narrow-minded.
 
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Gender difference isn't nothing. Its not like Hutu's and Tutsi's.
 
aedia λ
aedia λ
They aren't random. They're a systematic indicator of privilege someone else has
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Okay, I have nothing more to say. You're just superstitious and believe things without any scientific proof.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:26 PM
Unicorns to the rescue!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
disappears
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus You're easily offended by other people being offended.
Luckily, I don't find THAT offensive. :)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Stop talking to me, I'm no longer here.
Go oppress someone else.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
lol
 
badass
badass
lol
\o/
let's dance!
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
7:27 PM
¦o¦
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
badass???????
 
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK, let's get back to my earlier point. Would the point of view you are promoting like to see the difference between 'he' and 'she' removed, even if we know the gender?
 
badass
badass
Yees icy girl
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Transmissionfrom hm, if I could have that, and a pony too, yeah, I think it'd be a net benefit.
But baby steps.
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
Help me for Modern Art essay give me some topics about it
 
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7:29 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why baby steps, why not drive the point home?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@IceGirl Modern Art: is it really art, or is the emperor wearing no clothes?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Transmissionfrom That was exactly the point I was going to make to M-L before I got too angry. Another thing: she and Mr Shiny are accusing other languages than English of being more sexist, just because they have more genders. So silly and narrow minded and hostile.
No, no, I wasn't here.
poof
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Transmissionfrom Because it's hard enough to get people to even discuss this sort of thing calmly and rationally. Breaking the "male is default" notion will take generations, and getting rid of gendered titles is one part of doing that.
 
aedia λ
aedia λ
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 neighs softly
 
Ice Girl
Ice Girl
No wiki isn't good
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:31 PM
@Cerberus If you don't think that people have already documented the sexist problems in other languages at length, then you're mistaken. It's well-known and widely discussed.
English accidentally has less in-built sexism than some other languages. That doesn't mean those other languages aren't sexist. Also please don't conflate sexism with evil. They are not the same thing.
 
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 In law, I believe, even the corporation is a person. So, how difficult is it?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It is all unproven.
 
badass
badass
@IceGirl It is a good place to start learning about it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus what about the ''N' word? People refrain from using it in certain circumstances because it makes people feel bad. What's wrong with that?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And German has lost of genders, and they are a lot less sexist than almost any other country in the world. Scandianvia, the same.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:32 PM
@Transmissionfrom That's a separate problem. Law can use whatever linguistic contortions it wants to achieve its goals.
@Cerberus No, it's not at all unproven. It's plainly clear. Lots of other languages have writers who struggle with writing gender-neutral stuff because their language is deficient in that regard.
@Cerberus You are confusing two different ideas.
You are equating sexist people with a sexist language.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I say nigger. Another exaggerated superstition. But that word has had negative connotation for a very long time, so I wouldn't say it in public.
 
badass
badass
@Mitch The "N" word is the most racist of all words
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Because they are fools.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, you are.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus NO U
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But this was my last line. I do not want to continue this absurd discussion.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:34 PM
seriously. I never said Germans were sexist because German is sexist.
Where did I say that.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch you're such a nagger
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Your anger is clouding your thinking on this topic.
 
aedia λ
aedia λ
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Where you talked about them rolling around in all the LEGO on the floor.
Er, maybe that was a dream I had.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If I'm sexist because I use the word "queen", then all Dutchmen are sexist because they use the word "he" more often than in English. But I'm not here, so you can't hear me. Shoo, go away from this empty corner of the room!
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
7:37 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 but surely if you could control for everything else, what you suggest is that a language with X genders should produce more sexist behaviour than a language with < X genders
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I know. Start with the pony.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus You're oversimplifying things and also making logical fallacies. All Dutchmen might be more sexist than all Englishmen if they stubbornly insist on using "he" more often rather than a more inclusive "they".
 
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@Cerberus Actually the legal title of the (previous) queen was 'king'.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Mitch Turns out we have a unicorn here, so, yay! next step? Gender Equality!
@MattЭллен Yes, that's what I'm saying, but I'm also saying it's way more complicated than that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Transmissionfrom I find that more sexist than the other way around. Are you talking about Holland or England btw?
 
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7:41 PM
NL
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
So, sure, in a hypothetical world where all the initial conditions were the same, except that one language had 2 genders and one had 1, then the people with the 2 genders would be more sexist, probably. But how could such worlds exist? it's too intertwined.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Are you sure? I know some legal texts have "the King", but we also had "Commissaris van de Koningin" and such?
 
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@Cerberus Quite sure.
90%
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hmm.
Well, they should have changed that...but perhaps it was too much work.
A law is the first place where I would write "he or she" and "the Monarch" or "the King or the Queen" instead of "the King".
 
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Well, we now have a queen, but I doubt we would have had a king next to the 'real' queen.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:43 PM
Anyway, King and Queen are not in the same category of word as Actor and Actress or Pilot and Woman Pilot.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
No, Claus was a Prince.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattЭллен Thank you! You're a ginger!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, they are.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus No they are not. King never means "Man or woman", it always means man.
 
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Analyse 'author' vs 'actor', gender-wise.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:44 PM
Just like father always means man and mother always means woman.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Or maybe this kind of superstition is a sign of a sexist society: in a less sexist society, people no longer care about such trifles?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not in Dutch law, as Transmission told you.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus I already explained earlier that Law is a different beast.
And actually, the law might be written in a sexist way on purpose, on account of other laws that are also sexist.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's sexist. You should banish the word "mother", it is offensive. Always use "parent" and "child", never the highly offensive word "daughter". (Mother second on my list of words to throw at M-L's absurdities after "queen".)
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch I think you'll find I'm green and bald
 
Mitch
Mitch
What's the deal with the oppression of gingers? Why does anybody care (enough to oppress gingers)?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:46 PM
example: if a law refers to the King, it means the monarch who is in charge. If it refers to the Queen, it might mean the monarch in charge, or the King's wife. Therefore the laws might always use "King" when they mean "monarch in charge".
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattЭллен you act like one.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Cerberus Look, I thought you were done discussing this topic you don't understand and don't care to learn about.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch a green and bald?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattЭллен A ginger.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch how does one "act like a ginger"?
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:47 PM
which happens to be the same way I expect green bald avatars act.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch I see :D
 
Mitch
Mitch
LIke everyone else.
THat's how you know they're a ginger.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
lol
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Also, in Chinese? The word for King is "王“ and the word for queen is "女王" which is "female king".
 
Mitch
Mitch
CApitalizing the first two letters is not a sign of being a ginger.
How do you pronounce it?
wang?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:48 PM
yes, wang
 
Mitch
Mitch
or nu wang?
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch how do you know if the sign of being a ginger is being like everyone else?
 
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Is the king of France a woman?
 
Mitch
Mitch
I can just tell/
@Transmissionfrom and bald? And green?
Congratulations @MattЭллен!!!
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:49 PM
You didn't invite us to the coronation. I'm only a little hurt. I would have been busy that night though.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
 
Mitch
Mitch
..if I had known about it ahead of time.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch I thought as much
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 way way way too much eyeliner. Who does he think he is? Eddie Izzard?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Mitch are you telling me you don't know Tim Minchin?!
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:51 PM
He can't cry with that make up. Really, one should be prepared for contingencies.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
@Mitch who do you think you are? Someone who says things?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Are you telling me you don't know that I know who Tim Minchin is?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Mitch I guess so. I was about to post this playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE5E01E666491E1CF
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattЭллен gasps, suppresses choking sounds, apoplects
I never.
Don't ask me what. but whatever it was you imagine, I never whatever it was.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Silence! You fool, I am on the phone and have no time to deal with your silly things.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
7:53 PM
 
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So, I guess that you seek a future in which all speak of a person devoid of any properties/characteristics unless relevant. Even last names could be an issue. Or first names. I guess we would number people?
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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Transmissionfrom No, I wouldn't say that.
 
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why not?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Last names are already problematic for some people: like if your name is Woodcock, some people think of erect penises and giggle. But that isn't a sexism issue.
 
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And, animal rights radicals might object to the difference between 'persons' and 'animals' in language.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 LOL, I know a Woodcock.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
7:58 PM
First names are chosen by your parents and not by society, but society does dictate that certain names are only for people with penises or without penises. However, there is lots of leeway and rebellion and adults can change their names.
 
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Yay, slippery slope sledding time!
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
wooo!
 
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I was thinking cultural backgrounds, not sexist.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I call the block of ice!
 
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