English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room - 2013-12-23 (page 4 of 4)

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8:00 PM

If you farm you are a farmer.

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@badass That doesn't help.

If you harvest you are a harvester.

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@badass I'd say that on one farm, there usually are only one or two farmers. The others are doing farm work.

So it depends on what you are doing on the farm and context of course :-)

Anonymous

@badass He objected, but if he really didn't want to be an owner, he could use his special room owner abdication powers.

8:05 PM

What exactly is the question?

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@badass If you are a guy hired to do the same thing as the farmer does, I still don't think you call yourself a farmer.

Anonymous

So he must secretly be at least meh about being a room owner.

@snailboat thanks for changing the room description :-)

Anonymous

@badass You're welcome! I'll take credit for that. Although I didn't actually change it.

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@badass There's a typo there.

8:09 PM

@badass If you combine you are a combiner?

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Or is 'or ... or' instead of 'either ... or' acceptable?

@Transmissionfrom example?

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@Mitch The description of this room.

Context = example please

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"Is or "verse" or a homonym of "verse" another word for versus?"

8:13 PM

@Cerberus They would have left. Conquered, sent in their least favorites, they would fall apart and then leave. You know, food and weather.

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Which, in my book, would read: "Is either "verse" or a homonym of "verse" another word for "versus"?"

@Transmissionfrom Oh. That sentence is completely unparseable.

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@Mitch Oh, OK.

'or' can never follow 'is'.

Where did that sentence come from?

Anonymous

That's true. Or is it?

Anonymous

8:15 PM

Oh, wait. Follow.

Anonymous

That is or is not true, then.

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@Mitch From the top-right of your screen.

or...or sounds like a europeanism (Romance or Germanic). The pattern might be 'either...or' in English.

@Transmissionfrom Oh. I thought that was presented as an incomprehensibility.

To take it seriously it would be to make it 'correct': "Is "verse" or a homonym of "verse" another word for versus?"

Who thought that up?

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@badass You? Didn't you just take credit for it?

8:22 PM

I was talking about the ELL room

This is the ELU room

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@badass I thought you misspelled ELU into ELL.

Icic

np

That is why I prefer ESL

I am going to bed. Good night everybody.

It is a world recognized abbreviation

Later

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Lator

8:27 PM

May be they don't want the world to know

Which can be a good thing too

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@badass I have no idea what you're talking about.

Which can be a good thing too

Anonymous

@badass People were talking as though there was some difference in meaning between ELL and ESL

Anonymous

I was only familiar with ESL as an abbreviation before I joined that site.

Using the abbreviation ESL could bring too much attention to this network

There is a certain elitist attitude here if you did not notice

Anonymous

8:35 PM

@badass I don't follow. "Too much attention"?

Anonymous

You think attracting people to the ELL site would cause an increase in clueless questions here?

Yes

Anonymous

I have trouble believing that was the motivation for the name.

What else could it be? We have a world recognized abbreviation that is not being used

I agree that the number of clueless questions should be kept manageable

Anonymous

Have you read the discussion on Area 51?

Anonymous

8:47 PM

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A: Done! Now restore this site to ESL ("English as a Second Language")

I understand what you are saying, but "English as a Second Language" is non-preferred lingo in educational circles. English Language Learners is the accepted, current terminology for the intended audience. Renaming the site "ESL" will label it as amateur to professionals. Alternatively, Englis...

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Q: Using "когда-то" to refer to the future

I feel it is safe to say that outside of any context, когда-то defaults to meaning "at some point in the past", at least in the dialect I am speaking. I might even go so far as to say that that's the only meaning I use it in myself. However, every once in a blue moon, I run into it being used t...

выбор-слова наречия connotation либо-vs-нибудь-vs-то

Six down, four to go.

@snailboat oh yeah.

I think we can declare the patient dead by now.

Thanks for sharing @snailboat

Hm. Area51, you say. Are there secret hats for Area51?

There is a gold mine in them thar hills!!!

Anonymous

Ahh, them thar.

8:55 PM

Watch out for them thar aliens

Anonymous

Haha, I like that you changed it to thar.

:-)

@Transmissionfrom And the answer is 'no'. There are too many levels of incomprehensibility. But anyway, 'verse' is not a replacement for 'versus',

Versus = against

Verse = poetic phrase

Anonymous

A lot of people do use verse as a verb, though.

Anonymous

9:01 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if someone pronounced "A vs. B" as if it were "A verse B"

And then thar is "re-verse" :-)

@Mitch "Too many levels of incomprehensibility" is a compliment in this room.

@snailboat and they'd be wrong.

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Or 'A poetic phrase B'.

Anonymous

@Mitch People contract stuff all the time in speech. We don't usually make moral judgments about it

9:02 PM

@RegDwigнt yes, which is why I didn't give it further thought. But if it is -supposed- to make sense then it has problems.

Anonymous

No one speaks carefully all the time.

Come to the math room

@snailboat 'wrong' isn't a moral judgement. It's a judgement of encoding.

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@Mitch You mean 'false' then.

No. I meant 'wrong'. 'false' is not correct attribute of correctness of syntax.

Anonymous

9:10 PM

Contracting versus orally doesn't change it syntactically.

9:34 PM

I think Reg is lost in area51 :(

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11:19 PM

I just watched Exit Through the Gift Shop. Highly recommended.

Do not look it up. The less you know beforehand, the better. I knew nothing, and I am grateful.

In other news, RIP Mikhail Kalashnikov.

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