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12:23 AM
Hey, does anybody know if the subjunctive form follows this phrase, "It seems that..."?
12:52 AM
Guys, I have a question
What's the grammatical term for using proper verb + preposition with a noun? Such as, "Put in earbuds" or "Put on earbuds"
I know it's "put in earbuds" but I want to know what they call it so I can learn it further
@EnglishMaster Verb-preposition constructions. jstor.org/discover/10.2307/…
@EnglishMaster What is K-thx?
"Ok, thanks"
@EnglishMaster Did you check out the link I sent you too?
1:03 AM
Yeah, I'm about to read it. But does it require me to purchase the document?
@EnglishMaster You can read the preview. If you wish to read the full document, then you may consult the librarian at a library near you.
Sounds like a plan
It costs $12.00 to download but free to read, if you have an account on the website.
I think the $12.00 purchase for the downloading includes bandwidth cost.
$12.00 ?!!... I think learning English must be free!
and doesn't have any restrictions like creating an account
Sorry, I'm kidding
@EnglishMaster In economics, there is a proverb that states "there is no such thing as a free lunch."
@EnglishMaster I think you can bypass the account thing, if you belong to a library and hold an active library card in good standing and the library actually owns that journal.
1:13 AM
I'm not sure if any Korean libraries own this document. If they did, then they would have kicked-ass in English.
What is so good about it?
@EnglishMaster Try searching on the Internet then. Search "verb-preposition construction" into Google or your favorite search engine.
Knowledge isn't free, but it is more accessible than it used to be.
If you had lived during the Middle Ages, then you probably wouldn't be able to write, let alone know what your buddies are doing in the Americas.
Welcome to the Internet Age.
That reminds me of a stone-age song that goes like "Internet is for free~ Internet is for free~"
1:22 AM
@EnglishMaster You live in Korea? Is that North Korea or South Korea?
I'm from Sk, you can't find any North Koreans on Internet! Gosh!
@EnglishMaster Ummm... OK. There is no Middle Korea.
So there is such a thing as an accessible lunch.
@EnglishMaster That bad, huh? It sounds like North Korea is like China 30 years ago.
But China has tremendous progress since then.
Ancient China had a tremendous cultural influence over the Far Eastern countries.
I heard North Korean people still sit by a fire and eat rice and pray to Kim Jung "Ohh dear generous handsome leader, give us more rice!! oghg!"
1:28 AM
@EnglishMaster Maybe you should pray for a Korean reunion.
China had tremendous influence over England too, they hooked them up with "tea", you know?
@Anonymous Never!
@EnglishMaster I watched a documentary on PBS that Europeans were mad (obsessed) about spices. I did a little research and found out that the native spices of Europe were just bleh.
yeah, spice and tea. But English were obsessed with tea and even started a war because of tea. I wonder what was so special about it.
Tea for life!
@EnglishMaster Tea is a caffeinated drink. Caffeine is an addictive drug.
Likewise, the Chinese got hooked on opium.
...which ruined the country.
@EnglishMaster How long have you been speaking English? Your English is fairly fluent.
Probably since I was in highschool? I want to be as good as Julia Guillard one day tho.
I think I'm still not even close to Julia yet, she will laugh at my English.
1:49 AM
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4:07 AM
@Mitch What are you insinuating, Sir?
En garde!
@tchrist What's that, the year's new expressions?
And I don't even know what numbers w, 6, 8, 11, and 12 are about.
4:34 AM
I don't know number w, but number ω at least is rather large
Oh, dear.
That was supposed to be number 1.
I'm drunk and apologetic.
@EnglishMaster Does she do a lot of that?
@Anonymous It is. Although it's relatively benign compared to a (soft) drink that has caffeine along with some form of sugar and carbonation
At least in terms of personal health
I like tea.
I get a lot more done when I have some form of caffeine in my system
I think I'm addicted to hot peppers.
I eat them every day.
4:50 AM
@snailboat carbonated soft drinks
"hard drinks" are probably hard liquor
and liquor is alcohol
@snailboat what kind?
@snailboat I like to drink tea lukewarm on a very cold day.
@Anonymous Habaneros! :-) But I also particularly like serrano and anaheim peppers, and also cayenne
Red jalapenos are good, too
Pretend I capitalized anything I was supposed to.
@Anonymous I like to drink herbal tea. One of my tea snob friends tells me that it doesn't count as actual tea
I also drink black tea and green tea
@snailboat 俳句を取って。どうぞ。
@snailboat Serrano ham?
5:08 AM
@Cerberus Right. Me neither.
@tchrist You are this year's new expressions neither?
Good to know.
@Cerberus Given that he was referring to jalapeños, I think he means chiles serranos not jamón serrano.
If you're talking about me, I am not a he
I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't eat much meat. I can't remember the last time I had ham
@Cerberus It’s from the New York Times.
@snailboat Sorry!!!!!
@snailboat Is it hard to digest with snail slime?
5:10 AM
@snailboat Serrano ham is more like prosciutto.
Your marine cousin doesn't seem to have a problem with meat...
Or, arguably I am a vegetarian!
@tchrist Prosciutto is just any kind of ham...
@Cerberus I am technically also a human being and not a snail. :-)
I am also not a boat.
I refuse to believe any of that.
5:11 AM
(In case you were wondering!)
Snail + boat = conus marmoreus!!
@tchrist I ate prosciutto once. I was told it would be like pepperoni. I think it was unlike pepperoni.
@Cerberus No it isn’t.
It’s a dry ham.
Not a wet ham.
What does that mean?
@Hugo, tell @Cerb the diff between a wet ham and a dry one.
5:12 AM
All I know is smoked ham v. cooked ham.
@tchrist: Type some of your weird characters, please. The little boxes.
@tchrist one is chiefly eaten in the bath?
I supposed cooked ham is wetter, if you would call it that.
I'm trying an experiment.
5:14 AM
You're trying it before deciding whether you will actually do it, the experiment?
It seems Windows can't handle UTF-8 for realsy. I have to switch to Western (Windows 1252), which I am loath to do.
I see the signs.
They look as they should.
> Traditional dry cure hams may use only salt as the curative agent, such as with San Daniele or Parma hams, although this is comparatively rare.
Nah, those don't show either. But there are pages where curly quotes are misapplied.
Ooh, ooh, do 1F40C!
5:14 AM
> This process involves cleaning the raw meat, covering it in salt (for about two months for Parma ham) whilst it is gradually pressed - draining all the blood. It is then washed and hung in a dark, temperature regulated place until dry. It is then hung to air for another period of time.
> The duration of the curing process varies by the type of ham, with Serrano ham curing in 9-12 months, Parma hams taking more than 12 months, and Iberian ham taking up to 2 years to reach the desired flavour characteristics.
I like raw ham.
‭ 🐌 1F40C SNAIL
* fifth of the signs of the Asian zodiac, used in Kazakhstan
@Cerberus It’s not raw. It’s cured.
@tchrist Okay, that one I can't see.
@tchrist At least it's uncooked.
I see some Before It Was Cool hats. Have we cracked it?
Nah, still doesn't work. Fucking Windows.
5:17 AM
@Cerberus It’s like the difference between sushi and ceviche, you know?
@Robusto I saw the other ones just fine in Windows. All it took was installing a font that had those characters.
@tchrist Ceviche?
@Cerberus Which font?
I don't remember, but I can look it up for you.
@Cerberus Pickled fish.
> Ceviche is marinated in a citrus-based mixture, with lemons and limes being the most commonly used. In addition to adding flavor, the citric acid causes the proteins in the seafood to become denatured, appearing to be cooked. (However, acid marinades will not kill bacteria or parasitic worms, unlike the heat of cooking.) Traditional-style ceviche was marinated for about three hours.
Ceviche (; also spelled cebiche, or seviche) is a seafood dish popular in the coastal regions of the Americas, especially Central and South America. The dish is typically made from fresh raw fish marinated in citrus juices, such as lemon or lime, and spiced with ají or chili peppers. Additional seasonings, such as chopped onions, salt, and coriander, may also be added. Ceviche is usually accompanied by side dishes that complement its flavors, such as sweet potato, lettuce, corn, avocado or plantain. As the dish is not cooked with heat, it must be prepared fresh to minimize the risk of fo...
A: "Oh The Horror" & "Marauder" Hat Club

RobustoMmmm, smells good. Is it hat yet? Hey, while we're waiting, how about a little Leopard-Skin Pillbox Hat?

5:18 AM
It’s actually much better than normal pickled fish.
@Robusto Akkadian256.otf
Most likely.
> In Mexico and Central America, it is served in cocktail cups with tostadas, salted crackers, or as a tostada topping and taco filling. Shrimp, octopus, squid, tuna, and mackerel are also popular bases for Mexican ceviche, apart from fish. The marinade ingredients include salt, lime, onion, chili peppers, avocado, and coriander leaves (known as cilantro in the Americas).
@tchrist Ah, I see. Like rolmops.
@Cerberus Roll ’em ups?
I'm not a huge fan of pickled fish.
@tchrist Kind of!
They are rolled up. But the mops has to mean something else. Not sure what.
5:21 AM
@Cerberus Nah, still can't see 'em.
You have installed that font? Odd.
@Cerberus Rollmops.
Is that English?
> Aegyptus313.ttf
> newathu.ttf
Other candidates.
But Akkadian was really written in cuneiform, so I'm surprised that didn't work.
I don't know why it would work if the page doesn't include that font in the CSS.
As I understand it, pace @Tchrist, Windows just searches for whichever font has that code point and fills in the right character—unless you have no font installed that has that code point.
No CSS stuff needed, just the reference to the code point and a font having that point.
I remember I couldn't seen the cuneiform and hieroglyphs until I installed some fonts, a few years ago.
5:27 AM
Me he pacificado.
Apr 5 '12 at 18:35, by Cerberus
I forgot to install my Cuneiform and Egyptian fonts.
Apr 5 '12 at 18:35, by Cerberus
I restored a clone not long ago, that's why.
5:42 AM
> I’ve always been attached to the platonic idea of an attic, where traditional families who live in the same house for forever stick their prized possessions and junk, so that other family members can go up and trawl through it at watershed points in their lives to discover some curio that leads them to a cave under a seasonal restaurant that contains a fully intact 18th-century pirate ship.
What does this mean?
A restaurant that is only open during certain seasons?
@Cerberus Yes.
@tchrist Then what is the building used for the rest of the year?
It seems like a waste of capital...
You probably can’t even get there during the off-season.
Or if you can, such visitors are so few and far between as to make it too expensive to stay open.
We have one of those here.
I’m trying to remember its name.
Ah OK, so it's a rural thing.
Hi, need some help with correcting this sentence if necessary. XXX covers news from/with a liberal perspective. - should it be with or from?
(Both seem correct to me)
5:52 AM
Are you there?
@its_me I like from.
What's the difference between You promised us last week that you would do such and such you promised us last week that you will do such and such.
me too, thanks
Asuming the task hasnt been done yet.
Both sound right to me
but I am not sure which is more appropriate in an official letter.
@Cerberus You really need to stop being so pissy about that sort of thing.
5:55 AM
@Noah Will sounds funny
@snailboat what do you mean?
It’s not rural. It’s call weather, climate, and tourist seasons.
Well, the main clause has a preterite, so my ear is expecting the preterite of will (= would) in the embedded clause. (That is, if you accept that sort of relationship between will and would.)
@tchrist Uhh why am I pissy? There's nothing wrong with the country or thinly populated areas. I had a lovely Christmas dinner last weekend there.
You're entitled to think it doesn't sound funny, of course. :-)
5:58 AM
People don’t go to ski areas during the summer.
@snailboat Well, the deadline for the task is not due yet.
@snailboat I agree: one usually views something from a certain perspective, though with is perhaps not wrong.
A small town with a fancy restaurant wouldn’t bother to keep it open if no one was visting.
I mean she still has time to do the task.
@Cerberus I don't think it's wrong, but it sounds less usual.
5:58 AM
@tchrist If it's very small, sure.
@snailboat Right.
No, if it relies on tourists.
The time for the promise part was not fixed.
You just cannot conceive of a place that isn’t overpopulated all the time.
@snailboat What do you think?
@tchrist OK, sure, if the population changes a lot owing to tourism.
@snailboat I would say the switch from promised to will involves a change of perspective. It is possible, but the default option is would.
@tchrist It is possible that we have seasonal restaurants too.
I'm not sure.
6:03 AM
The Netherlands has a population density of over 1000 per square mile. Colorado has around 50 per square mile. Wyoming has around 5 per square mile.
But we have thinly populated areas too.
It is a completely different world here.
@Noah I think I expect the verb in the embedded clause to be backshifted because the verb in the matrix clause is a preterite. I'm not sure it's required, but it does sound funny to me not to. I wouldn't say it that way myself
Your average is over 1000 per square mile.
As I said, you are free to think it doesn't sound funny :-)
6:04 AM
And yet we have thinly populated areas.
Your idea of thinly populated and mine are unlikely to have anything in common.
We probably have areas with 50 people per square mile too?
This reminds me of @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 's theory about the earth's inexorably heating up because we burn fuel.
Hinsdale County, Colorado has a population density of ¾ of a person per square mile.
That is what I consider thinly populated.
I've never lived anywhere less densely populated than a suburb
I've visited small towns before, though!
I think they may have been more populated than that.
@tchrist And there are no seasonal restaurants outside that county?
@snailboat Same.
6:12 AM
@Cerberus I didn’t say that.
I'm sure we have nature reserves where the population density is even less...
Can we say comprendo to mean okay @tchrist
Located in the middle of the Smith Museum of Stained Glass Windows is the city’s newest contemporary “pop up” restaurant City Porch. Enjoy great indoor and outdoor full service dining areas featuring clusters of casual Adirondack chairs overlooking Navy Pier’s Dock Street. Signature dishes include toasted rice crusted tempura shrimp, pommes frites tossed in truffle oil and fresh Parmesan, mini lamb and feta sliders and much more.
City Porch Chef George Alpogianis has designed the main menu while asking celebrity friends from the popular Top Chef TV series to design guest chef cuisines. City
That one is in Chicago.
Okay as in "Okay, I will do it*
It is open seasonally from May through September.
I promise there are always people in Chicago.
6:15 AM
Chicago is cold.
Very cold.
Here’s another:
Chango Loco
Located in the Crystal Gardens
Open May – September

A delightful Mexican cantina, Chango Loco is a fiesta of great food at budget-pleasing prices presented in a relaxed and convivial atmosphere. Choose from an array of Mexican favorites including nachos, tacos and carne asada - all served by a friendly, efficient staff. Chango Loco will also be overflowing with specialty drinks, which include the pink senora and the Sauza Cosmopolitan to name a few.
Of course, margaritas, daiquiris and cervezas will be pouring as well. Change Logo is nestled next to Navy Pier's Crystal Garden s
@tchrist So that is surprising, unless the rent is really low.
Or unless the building is used for other things in winter.
Does anyone else speak spanish besides @tchrist
It’s down by Navy Pier.
You know what piers are, right?
Another example of a seasonal restaurant is an outdoor cafe.
Those are very common.
@tchrist pier = "pier"
6:18 AM
And I’m guessing you understand the concept of ice and snow?
We only have rain 24/7.
People don’t hang out on piers and enjoy themselves when it’s frozen and the gale is up.
People go to beach restaurants all year here.
But it is possible some restaurants will close on the islands.
And we have pop-up stores and restaurants, but then the building is used for something else when it closes.
@Cerberus Um, not if they’re outside they don’t.
Alaska Catch

New outside food wagon on 4th at State. Alaska Dungeness Crab for $20! Halibut, Salmon and Snapper Sandwiches for $11-$13. Salmon, Crab and Halibut fillets by the pound. This place has no indoor seating, just outside on the deck, but great views! Seasonal.
@tchrist A restaurant without a building?
Sure, that will represent little capital.
6:20 AM
It doesn’t say that.
It says all seating it outside.
The kitchen is inside.

Alaskan food of Thai and French descent, Cajun Style, Seafood, Steaks, Desserts
 Beer & Wine Service

Gourmet dinners, Thai and Mexican food; both inside and outside seating
Seasonal Will reopen in March 2013 this year
Not sure I would call that a restaurant, but, sure, then there is little you can use it for in winter.

Seafood Chowder, Fish & Chips
 Beer & Wine Service
It is completely normal to have restaurants that are only open in one or another season.
Chicago does get cold on occasion.
It doesn't get as cold here
I think I'm happy with that.
The Blizzard of '99 was enough cold for me.
Sundeck Restaurant, 915 Moraine Ave, Estes Park, CO 80517  Ph: 970-586-9832

 The Sundeck Restaurant is a seasonal family owned restaurant and have been that way for 65 years! We are currently closed for the winter and will reopen Mother's Day weekend 2014. We look forward to seeing you when we open in the spring! m
I know some places get colder than Chicago in the winter, but I haven't lived in those places
6:24 AM
@tchrist But without using the building for anything at all in winter, in a city?
@Cerberus Duh.
And why am I watching a Nazi film dubbed in Russian?
Why bother?
Because you have to pay the rent, and you can make some money by using it for something?
Like a non-seasonal restaurant?
And people own things you know.
They aren’t “paying rent”.
6:26 AM
Chicago is a city. I'm sure there is something it could be used for in winter, even if people visit restaurants less in winter.
It’s their business.
Then they are foregoing income/profit.
Capitalist swine.
Hey, I said it was dubbed in Russian.
Obviously after the revolution...but I guess it is possible it was dubbed after the Perestroika.
Try imagining a restaurant at the South Pole.
They jolly well might close for the winter.
6:28 AM
Now, I'm sure Chicago isn't that cold.
Now, what a horrible waste that must seem to you.
Nobody hangs out at the beach when it is frozen solid and the wind comes howling down out of Canada.
There are no pretty sailboats to regard.
Nor scantily clad sunbathers.
Just eskimo-lookalikes.
@Cerberus According to Weather Underground, it is now 1.6 °C in Chicago. So no, it's not that cold. Although brr.
Do you expect ice cream stores to stay open during winter?
I mean, seriously?
Is it weird to put a space before °C?
1.6 °C
I’ve got like 1 below right now.
Ice cream is just not a big seller when even saltwater freezes.
6:33 AM
@tchrist I think they stay open here in winter.
There are still ice cream trucks running here in Northern California
@snailboat I think you need the space.
Imagine strolling down the frozen lane with an ice cream cone in hand. Yum!
Presumably, people eat them inside.
Or skating down the frozen canals, stopping at an ice cream stand canalside.
6:34 AM
I imagine they will sell a lot less ice-cream.
I remember not using a space when I was younger. But suddenly I like it with the space
@tchrist The fish stands may be repurposed as pease-soup stands.
When I was a kid, they wouldn’t serve you iced tea during the winter. If you asked, you were told it was out of season.
@snailboat With old age comes the need for more space.
I kid you not.
6:36 AM
@tchrist American commies!
Not sequitur.
I guess they figured if you really wanted iced tea, you could just set it outside for a spell.
@tchrist As in, arbitrary refusals from servants. It was really big behind the Curtain.
@snailboat I think it's better without the space
@Cerberus Servants?
Servant != Server
I don't know, didn't you have servants at home?
6:39 AM
My little brother, when I could bend his arm.
Servants are so medieval.
Today we only have slaves instead.
@snailboat having said that, it's used both ways. BBC, without: bbc.co.uk/weather FMI. with when used with degree symbol and C, without when just with degree symbol: en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/local-weather
“Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” —Robert Oppenheimer — tchrist 1 hour ago
BIWC hat:
in Anime and Manga, 2 days ago, by Krazer
@LoganM what's Before It Was Cool for?
in Anime and Manga, 2 days ago, by Logan M
@Krazer This one was revealed on MSO (though we figured it out here a lot earlier thanks to @Yuki). Create a tag, and have at least one other user ask a question in the tag. May also require your first question to be upvoted, not sure.
please could someone ask a new [rude-words] question? @tchrist?
6:52 AM
@Hugo thought i had done that
I'll check
I have a favorite swear word. It's probably not appropriate for a [rude-words] question, though
@tchrist Hmm, this had [rude-words] added to it afterwards, but not when first asked... english.stackexchange.com/posts/142496/revisions
@snailboat Do it!
This question english.stackexchange.com/posts/142891/revisions has been censored so far I don't know what it's asking about
I'll rollback Kris's edit
I understand removing swears from question titles, because the policy is not to have not-safe-for-work stuff show up on the Formerly Known As The Supercollider side module
But I don't understand removing taboo language in general from questions. It certainly shouldn't be taboo to discuss taboo language
There are linguists who've made careers out of analyzing "bad words".
7:07 AM
@snailboat See The F-Word by OED editor-at-large Jesse Sheidlower
@Hugo Also Expletive Deleted: A Good Look at Bad Language by the late Ruth Wajnryb
A linguist who passed away last year
Hello! (Again.)
@tchrist This is how we agreed to do it, long ago.
I think we do.
Do we need articles in front of this: HRM(Human Resource Manamgent) is boa bla
7:10 AM
@Noah Did your messages arrive out of order?
If so, I'm interested but unsurprised that SE chat makes that possible
The HRMA is a system designed for this and that.
Or should we say HRMA is a system designed for this and that.
What's the A?
Human Resource management Application.
It's an internal application by the way.
That's the name of the system.
7:20 AM
That’s a really stupid thing.
There is no such thing, at least, not on a computer.
And very little anywhere else, either.
@Noah I don't know. I'd tend toward using it in this case, but I'm not sure there's an absolute rule for cases like this.
You could always Ask a Question. Or look to see if someone else has
@tchrist might have an answer. The problem is that I don't know if it's a proper or a common noun in this case
Do we need the in front of something like this?
Ask @SoylentGreen.
7:24 AM
Who is that?
@snailboat and appropriate here, title in both of those have censored titles, but I'm quite sure the main text isn't!
@Noah Apparently someone with five hats.
7:46 AM
Considering as a preposition is a little weird.
Quirk et al. appear to call it a "marginal preposition"
Fowler idem.
I still don't know how to wear glasses. I only recently got my first pair
I think one of the things you're supposed to learn is not getting fingerprints on them.
I would swear I never touched them, but a big ol' fingerprint just appeared across my left lens
So not getting fingerprints on them is a skill I have yet to learn, I guess
Hey, it seems like everyone agrees about this marginal preposition business. I was unaware!
I have a lot to learn about English grammars.
1 hour later…
9:26 AM
We on fr.SE have started a cw on words that have travelled across the Channel from France to Britain and back. Feel free to help SE build the longest list ever on the words that have built a bridge between froggies and rosbifs (and for the hatolics win the awesome Stallman hat).
9:42 AM
I just noticed that I keep saying Quark when I mean Quirk.
Simultaneously amusing and embarrassing!
I wonder if anyone noticed and was too polite to point it out. :-)
10:00 AM
Not in this room.
We need to start a treatment centre called Hats Anonymous for some of these "hatoholics."
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