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Anonymous

9:00 PM

@DamkerngT. Oh, well, yes! It does have Japanese-English dictionaries, among others

Anonymous

I'm most excited for the monolingual dictionaries, including one particular historical dictionary :-)

@snailboat Etymology? or Old English perhaps?

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. The three-volume edition of the Nihon Kokugo Daijiten, a historical dictionary of Japanese

@snailboat Aha, I see. Sorry for misunderstanding.

Anonymous

To be honest, the OED is the only historical dictionary of English I'm really familiar with.

Anonymous

9:03 PM

And this definitely does not come with the OED on it.

Anonymous

Oh, it's neat, though.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I was just unclear

Monolingual dictionaries usually give deeper senses.

Anonymous

I'm refraining from boring you to death by talking about all the dictionaries I'm excited about that it comes with. ;-)

@snailboat No, do continue!

Anonymous

9:04 PM

Oh!

+1

I'm just a little sleepy now. That's all.

Anonymous

Well, it has that historical dictionary. My friend has one of these, and I've been using him as a dictionary-by-proxy, and I figured it was time I got my own ;-) It has a number of other dictionaries, including the most popular and one of the most respected dictionaries of modern Japanese, the Koujien

Anonymous

Two dictionaries of Classical Japanese, a collocation dictionary, ...

I bet that it can talk too.

Anonymous

It's just a lot of books I'd like to buy, and separately they would all cost a lot more than this.

9:07 PM

@FumbleFingers That’s nonsense and you know it. ELU is for asking questions about things that are not generally known. Otherwise it would be close for General Reference. Precisely and particularly because it is not GR is all the more reason to track down the answer! — tchrist 10 secs ago

Anonymous

Oh, yes! The digital version of Koujien has audio for 70,000 headwords

tchrist, Boulder, CO

44.2k 8 90 171

single-word-requests word-choice meaning etymology pronunciation grammar grammaticality

What's with TChrist and questions about profanity all of the sudden?

There's other ways to get Mr. Binx...

Oh! That's a really nice hat! @AmericanLuke

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. It seems that the manufacturers of these devices license them at significantly lower prices than if you bought the electronic versions individually

Anonymous

I could certainly buy many of these dictionaries in EPWING format

Anonymous

9:08 PM

(I have some of them on paper already...)

> Did you hear the one about the awful break in the co-habitating gay couple? After a bang-up row, one of them left the condominium.

@AmericanLuke I’m trying to get a rude-words hat for @Hugo.

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Q: Where does English get the word “c***” from?

Although once a word that dared not speak its name, thanks to popular-culture references as well as the devastating AIDS tragedy, condom seems to be on everyone’s lips these days. But does anybody really know where the word condom (BrE /(ˈ)kɒndɒm/, AmE /ˈkɑnd(ə)m/) ultimately comes from? The...

etymology offensive-language medical rude-words

hugo?

@snailboat That's great! What about input? Romanji? Handwriting too, maybe?

Anonymous

They also have a lot of dictionaries of English and bilingual dictionaries, because they're targeted in part at learners of English. So I'll have my own (electronic) copy of the Oxford Dictionary of English, the Oxford American Dictionary, The Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, the Oxford Collocations Dictionary, ...

@AmericanLuke I bet you are too young to realize that the word condom was once that was forbidden.

9:11 PM

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A: Using an apostrophe; Centres or Centre's?

Do you have MS Word configured to be checking for American English or British English? The British spell the word as "centre" and Americans spell it as "center". If MS Word is checking American English, it will mark "centre" as incorrect. The correct possessive form of "centre" is "centre's" and...

I just whopped Barrie :P

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. It has handwriting input and a keyboard. You can type the name of 部首 and such to look up characters too

I think that's the first time I've ever actually written a better answer. But I was four seconds late :(

It wasn’t allowed. You could not say condom in polite or public company, it could not be advertised in newspapers or television,and the word could not be mentioned in broadcasting. It was totally taboo.

Anonymous

To be honest, I don't know what to think of some of the English dictionaries that are loaded. But I love having new dictionaries, so I'm kind of excited all the same :-)

@snailboat That's nice! I really hope that I can learn Japanese as my forth or fifth language some day.

9:12 PM

It wasn’t until the AIDS epidemic that that started to break down.

@tchrist what year was this?

Anonymous

Even though I tend to return to the same few English dictionaries as first resorts.

@badass Depends on the country. In Italy, it was in 2007.

Listen, when Lucille Ball was preggers on the I Love Lucy Show, they were banned from using the word pregnant on the air by the censors.

You. Have. No. Idea.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I do use bilingual dictionaries on occasion--I have a nice one (in my opinion the nicest) on paper, and this includes an electronic version of that, which I'm pretty excited about :-) As much as I love the feel and smell of paper dictionaries

I would want dictionaries in my first language to be as extensive as most English dictionaries. Someday it will, perhaps, someday.

9:15 PM

Teenagers today have no idea what it was like even 20 years ago, let alone 40 or 60. A completely different world, full of things they could never imagine.

!!youtube people are still having sex

Like Black segregation, etc.

@snailboat Smell of books is something very unique.

@DamkerngT. Unique does not admit modifiers of degree.

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Anonymous

9:16 PM

I'm going to try to use the various non-OED Oxford dictionaries loaded on the thing for a while once I get it, which should be in a few days

gtg

It’s can’t be very one-of-a-kind. It is, or is not.

Please pardon my sleepiness.

There are some who dispute that though...

Anonymous

Well, people say very pregnant

9:18 PM

...very alive

They do at that.

People say the ~~damnedest~~ durnedest things.

Anonymous

I'm really curious about the ODE, which I do not own yet

logically you are correct

@snailboat I recommend it.

Especially the untravelled one.

amazon.com/The-Ode-Less-Travelled-Unlocking/dp/1592403115

Anonymous

@tchrist Thank you for the recommendation--I haven't read it :-)

9:20 PM

De nada.

If a dictionary had legs...

I still find it amazing how much room advertisement links hog up >8(

compared to say wiki

Anonymous

Is that an "advertisement link"?

amazon

Effing FF downvoted and closevoted my Shaggy question, that hectoring cad! Hath yon curmudgeon no sense of the comedic?

@snailboat You obviously don’t know me very well.

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Q: Where does the word “sh**” come from?

Once upon a time in America, particularly during the 1970s, if you asked an American whether they ‘fancied a shag’, they might well have thought of this: And therefore declined the offer for fear of rug-burn. Meanwhile their kids, being still innocent, would have likely assented to the requ...

etymology british-english slang offensive-language rude-words

Anonymous

9:23 PM

@tchrist Sorry, I didn't mean it that way--I was trying to figure out what badass was saying

I loathe spamvertising.

Anonymous

I put it in quotes because I didn't think of it that way

@AmericanLuke Hello!

@AmericanLuke You have the Eureka hat! Do you have any tips on how to get it?

Spamvertising is another word whose first citation we do not have.

@Hugo Any tips for Bunny hat? (I'm kinda clueless.)

9:26 PM

!!wiki Spamvertising

Spamvertising is the practice of sending E-mail spam, advertising a website. The word is a portmanteau of the words "spam" and "advertising". It also refers to vandalizing blogs, online forums or wikis with hyperlinks in order to get a higher search engine ranking for the vandal's website. Spamvertisers insert links to their websites (typically, sites purporting to sell some commercial product) and add keywords of common or related searches. The apparent goal is that a search engine will find the vandalized page full of links and improve the popularity rating of the pages to which they li...

Hah! I didn't think it's a real word!

@DamkerngT. Yes, ask 10 questions during hatseason and there you go. They mustn't be on hold, and perhaps need an upvote. They don't all need an answer.

Anonymous

I don't think I could manage to ask 10 questions.

Thanks for the tip.

9:27 PM

@Hugo Finally.

My ten questions from last Winterfest were far better.

Anonymous

(Despite the fact that there are clearly more than ten things I don't know about the English language)

@tchrist Yep. I had an on-hold (the single word for Christmas but not New Year) amongst my 10

Ah.

It seems like I still have nine to go.

I liked yuleglee.

Despite neologuing it.

9:29 PM

@tchrist Me too. In fact, how about we re-open it and perhaps I'll get a gold hat?!

@Hugo Gold??

I already voted to reopen.

I’m still waiting for some bounty hat or hats.

for views. at least it was rising very quickly from the multicollider last time, got a silver

But people are waiting the full 7 days for some reaosn.

Oh that might be.

I’ve given up on a gold hat.

I was going to award my bounties soon, but @Reg argued to leave them open, and I thought, well, why not

My weefil just sits there like an ex-parrot.

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A: What animal is a “weefil”?

f vs ſ That’s merely a “long s”, not an f. Therefore, it is not a weefil but rather a weeſil — meaning of course, a weasel. We can rule out weevil because it has the look not of a bug but of a musteline critter. Here are some examples in various faces — namely, in roman, italic, scrip...

@Hugo They do attract views, that is true.

9:32 PM

@tchrist but with such pretty script!

I know, I know.

Your euphemising of condom as c*** got edited out

My 10 questions from 2012 Winterfest did much better.

@tchrist I was mostly thinking IG88.

@Hugo Yes, I made a comment about the edit; it's ok. Kids do not understand it was a taboo word until very very very recently.

@RegDwigнt Oh. I thought it was for the views.

9:35 PM

Also, you can only have three open at a time, so if you want to award two dozen, you're best advised to do it quickly of course.

Is the opposite of euphemize either dysphemize or cacophemize or something?

The opposite of euphemize is eyephemize.

I hope Martha is not around to thwack.

Anonymous

Oh, I was going to say dysphemizing earlier as a response but I got distracted

Anonymous

Just because I like that word.

deuphemize

9:37 PM

Mountain Deuphemize.

Anonymous

I started trying for a hat

In fact, I got 2 golds from last year's 10 questions.

I actually have a stupid movie on hold, so I'm leaving again.

Anonymous

I don't think I'm going to be able to do anything more useful this afternoon

@snailboat which where?

Anonymous

9:38 PM

@RegDwigнt I was trying to reopen a question on ELL

Ah.

Anonymous

But I realized I don't actually know what gets you the badge for ... something

Anonymous

Badge? Hat... Oh no

Anonymous

My brain isn't going to let me string words together anymore

Anonymous

It's going to force me to sleep!

Anonymous

9:40 PM

Stupid brain.

@snailboat Rob kept saying badge at first. I think he's switched since, but it took him half a day of getting used to the right nomenclature.

I think I'm gonna go to bed too.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Rest well!

Bye guys. Have a nice chat!

user image

This looks disconcerting.

Anonymous

9:41 PM

I suppose saying "rest well" is my own ritualized phrase, and it's not much different from "good night", but somehow the latter seems hollow and meaningless

Anonymous

But when I say "rest well" I mean it!

Anonymous

I suppose some people might mean it when they say "good night".

@snailboat Thank you!

And that's the community user. So some dev had to put it on manually. Or perhaps it picks a hat automatically based on something.

Bye Damkerng!

I’ve been such a dummy.

Let’s see if I can’t fix that ere Christmas.

Anonymous

9:43 PM

Ooh, I have the zombie mask hat now!

Hm, I'm #1 on Writers now. Yippie.

That should be #6 on ELL, #4 on German, #3 on French, #1 on Russian, ELU, Writers, and Linguistics. Unless someone has surpassed me somewhere in the mean time, but I'm too lazy to check.

So what's next.

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt You can't take over Japanese. We have too many hats.

Board games, perhaps?

@snailboat sounds like a challenge.

Anonymous

(Actually, we're hat-deprived. But you didn't hear it from me)

@Hugo I get asked that every time I walk into a chat, but I have no idea how I got it

9:45 PM

@snailboat the top three is to be had for just three hats. I will be there in a minute.

@AmericanLuke Ha, well, thanks anyway!

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt But you'll need nine hats for #1!

@AmericanLuke (unless you're just keeping the secret...)

mwahahahaaa!

@snailboat The "#6 on ELL, #4 on German, #3 on French" bit doesn't sound like I would be complaining about #3 now, does it?

9:46 PM

@americanluke have you contacted any SE staff lately?

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt Hey, reading comprehension is for people who are either not me or are me but not today

@Hugo nope

@AmericanLuke BTW I totally forgot to mention. I have building instructions for almost all of the animals I have so far, so if your sis has some parts already she could try and build it without waiting X years for the set to reach production.

Just ping me with the animals you're interested in.

But now I must go AFK for a bit again.

Lators!

So basically, if we figure out Yaeger then we get Eureka? I'm pretty certain Eureka is awarded by devs. As far as I can tell, Yaeger is for outscoring the accepted answer or some such. — Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish Dec 17 at 23:07

Anonymous

I can build a snail from origami. If that's a type of building

Anonymous

9:48 PM

I can also make a frog and a crane.

@RegDwigнt Ok

I was struggling with that one Manish - got two Yeagers on different sites before figuring it out - bit of trial and error with rapid answers/edits in and outside grace period/watching votes. In terms of Eureka moments, I like the idea that devs can award it for knowing that devs can award it (he hinted to @TinyTim :-) — Rory Alsop Dec 18 at 9:08

I havent got the Yeager yet (simply because I dont go chasing hats), but it is pretty clear what its for (not gonna say it here though, SPOILERS). The Eureka is also clear! Just need to bribe one of the devs (with secrets, of course)... There is always at least one manual hat for figuring it out. — AviD Dec 18 at 9:10

Anonymous

@Hugo I got the Yeager hat on multiple sites without trying

Same here

Anonymous

It just happens!

9:49 PM

@Hugo Well, I tried emailing the SE Team politely requesting the Eureka! hat, but they declined my request. :)

@snailboat Yep, that wasn't so hard, just answer a question (perhaps first) within about 15 mins

Anonymous

@Hugo I think you get it when the score hits 2 afterwards

I believe it's for answering within x minutes of the question being asked with 2 quick upvotes

Anonymous

Oh, or that

I wonder if I said anything in the TL that triggered it

I bragged about getting Mr. Peanut Monopoly McDuck just before I got Eureka

Anonymous

9:53 PM

Did you say something like "I got it!" in chat?

no

Anonymous

Aw.

Anonymous

There goes my one guess. :-)

People kept saying weird things in chat trying to trigger it.

I got the Mr. Peanut Monopoly McDuck hat!

hmm, just testing...

9:54 PM

I have found it!

I asked how a one-month old user got ghost of winterbash past

Oy! I think I figured it out!!!!

For reals!

in Lollipop Heaven, 19 hours ago, by Logan M

If you're asking whether I also was told anything about the other secret hats when I got the Eureka hat, the answer there is no. The hat just showed up. I know why it showed up, but there wasn't anything extra special that happened once I'd satisfied the criteria for it beyond getting the hat.

εὕρηκα

@AmericanLuke That wouldn’t do it.

no, not that

ΕὝΡΗΚΑ

9:57 PM

I figured out how the GWP was awarded while I was talking with tim post and then I got Eureka less than an hour later

Then Tim Post tried to clue me in on how I got it, but I didn't get it :P

So, you have to figure out a secret hat.

Anonymous

@AmericanLuke Oh, so maybe they saw you figure it out and awarded it to you

likely

So you have tell an SE teamster the secret of a secret hat?

but then again, I could be on the entirely wrong track

Anonymous

9:58 PM

Tell them the secret of Eureka!

But other people have done that.

There are still two distinct possibilities.

You can simply tell them that the secret to secret-hat X is Y.

And be correct.

You shouldn’t get it for figuring out Eureka.

It would have to be another one.

And possibly you must be the first one.

Too bad it is hard to track down who has a given hat network wide.

ah well. I need to pick up another hat on Music to regain first place

Reminder: upvote some of these for ELU hats!

data.stackexchange.com/english/query/12270/…

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Q: "Oh The Horror" & "Marauder" Hat Club

41 people join in. Each person upvotes every answer, other than theirs, to this question. Once we have 41 answers and votes, I will systematically accept each answer in turn. 41 people get the "Oh the Horror" and "Marauder" hats. Easy.

All the new posts don't have nearly as many votes

@tchrist How many secrets do we know about so far, roughly?

10:09 PM

half a dozen maybe

@Hugo Des chapeaux?

Chuck Yeager

Eureka

Johnny Three hats

Necro.

I see your point

with great power

Not listening.

Unicorn.

10:11 PM

That's the I see your point hat

If it is only manually awarded for the first one who figures something out, there can only be a very few Eurekas network wide.

Oh.

I guess I'm lucky then :P

There's more than 6 eureka hatters: meta.stackoverflow.com/users/178438/mr-peanut-monopoly-mcmanish anime.stackexchange.com/users/24/logan-m gaming.stackexchange.com/users/52800/kalina stackoverflow.com/users/100297/martijn-pieters ...

security.stackexchange.com/users/485/rory-alsop meta.stackoverflow.com/users/178816/travis-j security.stackexchange.com/users/10211/terry-chia serverfault.com/users/126632/michael-hampton meta.stackoverflow.com/users/187824/hims056 just form first 3 pages

Ce fut Voltaire qui disait : Un grand pouvoir implique de grandes responsabilités.

@Hugo Ahah then.

There goes my theory that it's a mod thing

10:13 PM

But the Voltaire hat is a mod thing.

I know at least one other who had contacted shog about Eureka. He'd emailed to say he had two theories, and got a reply one was right, but not which

@tchrist Not even heard of that!

@tchrist voltaire hat?

Comme est-ce qu’on leur dirait cette vérité sans que les autres se rendissent compte de ceci?

@Hugo “With great power. . . .”

@tchrist oh yeah

Il y a toujours le courriel.

Mais il faudrait savoir l’addresse correcte pour l’employer.

10:32 PM

@Hugo I think we haven’t figured out “Before It Was Cool”.

* Secret hat "Before It Was Cool" is for asking a new question with a new tag
  and then having at least one other user later ask a question using your new
  tag. May require upvotes in both cases.

But I can’t get that to work.

Maybe it’s because it wasn’t a new one on my own question?

10:51 PM

Oh wait.

I can't find the record of my contacting the team in my outbox.

I must have used the web form.

I hate that.

There we go: I just posted two new bounties.

11:18 PM

That’ll do it.

have you ever felt you've just wasted 1 year?

by achieving little?

.Times fifty.

Haha, I think tchrist has officially jumped the shark.

I'd change my avatar into a shark just for the occasion, but I must be wearing hats.

No, you’d have to award your bounties etc. And look at my new ones.

11:35 PM

So I see you have Eureka.

I skimmed through the conversation above, but that was an intricacy I missed.

Defending my position won't be easy. I just might have to get the Lonesome Cowboy.

At least you've already got the bunny ears. I couldn't bear it if you still had them up your sleeve!

Still 253 behind Web Apps. We just might get there by the end of it.

We gained five pages worth of new hatters. They got thirty.

What are they doing?

Getting a ton of questions from newbies every day?

Seriously, their top three have only 33 hats combined. And the last 128 pages out of 129 are all people with two hats or less. The last 124 pages are people with just one!

And they are not newbies. These are all Old Hats grandfathered in.

So why the heck do they keep getting more and more pages full of these?

11:56 PM

Hi.

I figured it out.

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