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What?

@RegDwigнt THIRTY PAGES?

Of new hatters?

How is this possible?

@tchrist unless I misremember, yes. Which I begin to doubt.

But it's easy to check.

Lemme search the transcript for "mere".

Doubt can be healthy.

Hm. That didn't work.

Let me search for "79".

Dec 20 at 0:13, by RegDwigнt

They have 94 pages worth of hatters. We have but 79. Breadth is their weapon.

Here it is.

12:20 AM

... you know how bashful I am. I can't even say the word titular without giggling like a schoolgirl. hehehe! — IQAndreas 26 mins ago

Oh wait haha that was Linux and Unix.

How silly of me.

Disregard.

Q: Is English actually a pidgin or creole?

There’s only a delta of about 100 now.

Two new tags here:

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Because Middle English was a hodgepodge mélange of Old English (a Germanic tongue) and Norman French (a Romance language), it seems like Middle English was actually a kind of pidgin or creole. Was it such, and if so, which one was it: a creole or pidgin? Also if so, when did it stop being such ...

Both pidgin and world-english are new.

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Q: What are the fantasy secret hats you'd wish to get?

I had for some days the fantasy of getting a grinch hat. I know there is a hat when you only do upvotes in a day and believed it could make sense to have the same kind of hats for downvotes only. It would be the grinch hat. The programmer that ruined christmas. What are the fantasy secret hats y...

discussion winterbash-2013

A: What are the fantasy secret hats you'd wish to get?

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I'd like to have a LEGO hat, obviously. Credit: Jean Charles de Castelbajac.

12:39 AM

Oh my. Now Susan is mad at me for mentioning condoms.

Hm. Which hat did you just get?

It went from 33 to 34, but I'm not seeing it.

Oh. Let me look. Didn’t realize.

It hasn’t notified me.

Bounty Hunter

Ah.

Okay. Here's a new theory: Before It Was Cool does not even exist on established sites. Perhaps to prevent gaming, I dunno.

I just went through the first 30-odd pages of SO stats, and not a one of them. Not a one.

Is it on Betas?

Well, that's where I got mine with zero effort.

RLU.

12:42 AM

Or maybe I need a +1?

Easy to test on ELL I bet.

@tchrist I dunno, how does that have anything to do with tags?

@tchrist yeah I guess.

Because many things need a +1.

For high values of "easy". I can't think of a question for ELL.

@tchrist well yes, but why for tags. If everyone grabs your tag and runs with it, then it's obviously useful. Even if your particular question happens to suck and gets downvoted into oblivion.

But I don't know.

I don't think I had my RLU questions upvoted that soon.

They only seem to have one user who votes at all.

And again, that doesn't explain why no one has it on SO.

So it can't be the upvote.

Right.

It would mean we can’t add it to our tallies here.

Wait, I think the tag has to be used in a new question.

We should check where it already exists.

Not just put on others.

We had tried that with Hugo.

Linguistics.SE is too hard, they’d squish me.

I guess I could try FLU.

But ELL would be easiest.

@tchrist you just might be right.

Because I posted two questions in rapid succession, both using that new tag.

12:56 AM

Where, on RLU?

Yes, and I just checked and it's still only on those two questions.

Twas metathesis.

So I have to think of another pidgin or world-english question.

Or get it on ELL. Or any site, really.

Just not one above us, of course)))

Oh crap, isn't today Monday?

Yes it is.

I guess I must be off to work soon and sleeping now.

Arrivederci!

Stupid holidays. Can't we just have a whole week off or two.

Swiss cheese work.

1:56 AM

Hello.

Hi

Quid agis?

?

"What are you doing?"

Eating, what language was that?

Spainish?

2:06 AM

Latin.

Icic

What are the types of Latin called?

!!wiki Latin

Latin

__NOTOC__ Latin (; Latin: , ; the noun lingua, "tongue" and "language", and the adjective latinus, latina and latinum in its three genders, "Latin") is an ancient Italic language originally spoken by the Italic Latins in Latium and Ancient Rome. Along with most European languages, it is a descendant of the ancient Proto-Indo-European language. Influenced by the Etruscan language and using the Greek Alphabet as a basis, it took form as what is recognizable as Latin in the Italian peninsula. Modern Romance languages are continuations of dialectal forms (vulgar Latin) of the language....

@badass The types?

What dost thou mean?

There is a Greek based one.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean...Latin is Latin and Greek is Greek.

"Type" in what sense?

Q: When did we stop translating proper names?

2:21 AM

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It used to be that one would just translate a proper name that was in another language into English when referring to that entity. For example, William the Conqueror, Christopher Columbus, King Philip II of Spain, King John of Portugal, the city of Munich, Vatican City, or the Ivory Coast. Or j...

translation proper-nouns political-correctness world-english

The article says it uses the Greek alphabet.

It doesn't.

We use their alphabet.

Which is based on the Greek alphabet, indeed, but it is different.

Old Latin and New Latin

!!wiki old Latin

Old Latin

Old Latin (also called Early Latin or Archaic Latin) refers to the Latin language in the period before the age of Classical Latin; that is, all Latin before 75 BC. The term prisca Latinitas distinguishes it in New Latin and Contemporary Latin from vetus Latina, in which "old" has another meaning. The use of "old", "early" and "archaic" has been standard in publications of the corpus of Old Latin writings since at least the 18th century. The definition is not arbitrary but these terms refer to writings with spelling conventions and word forms not generally found in works written under the...

!!Wiki new latin

2:29 AM

New Latin

The phrase New Latin, or Neo-Latin, is used to describe the Latin language used in original works created between c. 1500 and c. 1900. Among other uses, Latin during this period was employed in scholarly and scientific publications. Latin vocabulary words, created during this period for the purpose of expressing scientific ideas, form the basis for much modern scientific terminology, such as technical terms in zoological and botanical description and taxonomy. The language of original Latin works created since the beginning of the 20th century is treated in the article on contemporary...

@badass So...you are talking about the historical variations of the language?

But there is no "Greek-based" Latin?

It still uses the Greek alphabet as a basis.

No?

@badass The Latin alphabet was based on the Greek alphabet, which in turn was based on the Phoenician alphabet, which in turn was based on some Semitic alphabet, which in turn was based on Egyptian hieroglyphs...but the Latin alphabet is quite different from the Greek alphabet.

2:46 AM

So the stuff they teach in grammar schools is New Latin?

And when you asked me what was I doing was that old or new Latin?

@Cerberus I don't think Egyptian was first, I think they got their ideas from MidEast cuneiform (which also gave rise to Phoneician (the basis of the semitic alphabet)

@badass Normally, they will teach classical Latin, but the difference between classical and Neo-Latin is very small. In fact, humanists in the Renaissance tried to go back to classical Latin as much as they could.

@badass There would be no difference, it has been "quid agis" since Antiquity, and it never changed, spelled exactly the same.

Icic

@Mitch Modern hypotheses have it that the Semitic alphabets were ultimately based on Egyptian alphabets. Do you have any evidence that Phoenician was based on cuneiform scripts? Or did you mean to suggest that Egyptian was based on cuneiform (even less likely)?

@badass It is like asking whether house is 2010s English or 1950s English.

Spelling changed very little from the classical age onwards.

They say it is a "died" language, when did it die?

2:54 AM

Never!

Languages only die when all the people die or all switch to a different language.

Latin as a primary language gradually changed into Italian, French, Spanish, etc. It's hard to say when Italian became a "different language", but it probably changed more rapidly after the fall of the Empire in the 5th century.

@Cerberus I have no evidence of anything myself. I think I read about it in Guns Germs and Steel (by .. that guy)

@Mitch Okay, well, I have never heard of that, and neither has Wikipaedia...

As a secondary language, Latin is still alive.

That^ is a good documentary guns germs and steel :)

I thought it was a book...

It can be both

2:59 AM

Why not!

!!youtube guns germs and steel

►

!!amazon guns germs steel

@Cerberus Were you trying to invoke me? Use the help command to learn more.

Ugh.

3:00 AM

:-)

!!wiki guns germs and steel

Guns, Germs, and Steel

Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies is a 1997 transdisciplinary nonfiction book by Jared Diamond, professor of geography and physiology at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). In 1998, it won the Pulitzer Prize for general non-fiction and the Aventis Prize for Best Science Book. A documentary based on the book, and produced by the National Geographic Society, was broadcast on PBS in July 2005. The book attempts to explain why Eurasian civilizations (including North Africa) have survived and conquered others, while arguing against the idea that Eurasian hegem...

!!amazon guns germs and steel

@badass I don't understand. Use the help command to learn more.

@Cerberus actually I agree with you and it is corroborated by wikipedia articles (alphabet and writing)

A: Is there a reason behind the ordering of letters in the English alphabet?

Yay!

@Mitch Not to mention by:

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The ABC order already existed in some form about 1400 BC, in the Ugaritic script, from which our alphabet is descended. From Wikipedia: It is unknown whether the earliest alphabets had a defined sequence. Some alphabets today, such as the Hanuno'o script, are learned one letter at a t...

3:05 AM

But I remember reading in GSS that there were three indpendent inventions of writing (Chinese, Mayan, and Mideast) and the mideast one was somehow before Egyptian hieroglyphics

!!amazon guns germs and steel: the fates of human societies

@badass I don't understand. Use the help command to learn more.

I think most of the 'facts' in GSS were made up by Diamond. He just read a lot and mushed things together to make a really interesting book that was mostly wrong.

~~GSS~~ GGS

:-)

He's not even a history Prof

@Mitch I haven't read it. And it is possible that the first users of Egyptian hieroglyphs were somehow inspired by some proto-cuneiform symbols, if only because they knew those existen. Or the other way around. But it is also possible that they had no idea what was happening thousands of km away. This is prehistory we're talking about...

3:19 AM

G S S GGS

Hmm that's disappointing.

To be precise :-)

Heh.

oh hai.

I'm here to find out how Eureka! happens.

I understand if no one's just gonna spill.

I want hats, but I don't want to have to un-retire. Such a struggle.

3:32 AM

Mahnax!

Cornbread!

How you?

Tired but otherwise good! Healthy and warm and all that. Yourself?

All of those things, pretty much.

I have a new gig! Well, an additional gig.

Oh?

3:35 AM

Aye.

What is it, if I may ask?

I contribute to hackaday.com.

Oh, neat!

:D

They give me money! To write! About cool stuff!

And I learn more about cool stuff!

That's awesome!

3:38 AM

I still don't really believe it.

Today marks my first full week. Well, yesterday.

That's pretty dang cool.

:D

Anyway.

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

yo

yow

Oh, and it's Christmas break, so no school for a fortnight!

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

3:43 AM

:)

!!wiki eureka

Eureka

Eureka may refer to: * Eureka (word), a famous exclamation attributed to Archimedes * Eureka effect, the sudden, unexpected realization of the solution to a problem In historical * Eureka (ferryboat), an 1890-built steam ferryboat now preserved in San Francisco * Eureka, Arizona, late 19th century ghost town 30 miles north of Yuma on the Colorado River * Eureka Stockade, an 1854 goldminers' rebellion in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia ** Eureka Flag, battle flag of the Eureka Stockade rebellion ** Eureka Jack, Union Jack reportedly flown by the insurgents at the Battle of the Eureka S...

@cornbreadninja what do you mean by how it happens?

The sudden, unexpected realization of the solution to a problem.

How does that happen?

@Mahnax Hooray!

@badass teh hat.

See @tchrist's profile.

Oh.

A: What are the fantasy secret hats you'd wish to get?

5:01 AM

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For ninja-editing a +1’d post, and finishing editing it, within 60 seconds of when it was first posted.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Look much better now.

@RegDwigнt I think it's misleading to call the cup "as imprecise as it gets". It's defined as 236.5882365 ml, exactly, which seems pretty precise to me. — nohat Dec 5 at 6:53

nohat can be hilarious.

Is that a C cup or a D cup?

5:33 AM

@Reg Now I really have jumped the shark.

5:50 AM

Thing is, I don’t understand why, because it took forever.

I did have to vote Susan’s answer back into the non-negative range.

I don’t think that that was what did it.

6:09 AM

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A: Hello as a verb

Theoretically, any, absolutely any word in English can be used as a verb. Nothing prevents you from helloing, betweening, egadsing or greating. However, it's one thing to just use a word as a verb, and a different thing altogether to have it also be understood by others. And that is what languag...

In The Hobbit, Tolkien wrote when Bilbo tried to get rid of Gandalf with a good morning: “To think that I should have lived to be goodmorninged by Belladonna Took's son, as if I was selling buttons at the door!” Curiously, in the movie, either the writers or Ian McKellen himself altered the original rustic was to the more primly were, perhaps to avoid grating on the North American ear. — tchrist 1 min ago

I’m probably the only person in the world who noticed that, but it’s quite true. I triple-checked it. The book has was and the movie has were.

6:40 AM

!!>choose

@EnglishMaster [object WorkerErrorEvent]

@EnglishMaster Run to Australia

phuck off

What is more polite way to fire a guy than telling him "Don't come Monday"?

Or in other word, what are some variations of DCM?

Oh for crying out loud, there’s a Pancho Claus from the South Pole.

¡Feliz Navidad, Pancho, pero por dónde me has escondido los regalitos que ya me prometiste?

Quam olim Abrahae promisisti et semini ejus.

7:11 AM

Tell me list of functional programming languages you have used in your life

31 mins ago, by EnglishMaster

phuck off

That's not a name of functional programming language and I meant "No way, mate!" but in slightly more violent way

^_^...

7:29 AM

smh.com.au/nsw/…

ok this is why I read SMH

Summary ->
Random guy: "You pink shirt fagxot!" and loop this statements for 100 times
Victim: "Hey stop it"
Random guy: "Ok. I'll stop and just walk away"
- Then suddenly turns back and punch this pink shirt faggot in his face

No phucking off in this chat.

Hi friends I am new here

Hi! Welcome to this chat.

EnglishMaster punches this pink shirt guy called Amir

Not everyone understands your joke.

So better be more careful when talking to new people.

7:38 AM

Ok.. sorry

thanks Jasper today i got 20 points and have entered in this chat room

We talk about English and everything else here too.

Actually i m learning english I hope u people will help me

Use this chat for questions that are not suitable for the main site.

Jasper what type of questions are not suitable for main site

7:41 AM

Well, you have to read the FAQ to find out what questions are suitable.

Actually, it is the community of voters who decide what should be voted as off-topic etc.

Well i asked a question in main site that when we go to ground floor from upper floors what word is used? can I say going downstairs

Going downstairs may not mean going to the ground floor.

In this case, I am not sure if there is anything better than saying you are going to the ground floor.

Is ground floor "G" in your country or "1"

when we go down through elevator can we use the word downstairs?

It G

Hah, it is mostly 1 here.

7:46 AM

awkward, it's 1 here too.

Yeah, I use downstairs to when I use the elevator, but I am not sure if it is appropriate now that you ask.

I think we should use the word downstairs when we go through stairs not elevators, what do you think

Well, you can ask this on the main site, but check a dictionary first.

For me, I would use it even if I were using the lift.

In dictionary there is no proper explanation

Yeah, so you can include that fact in your question, then you won't be downvoted.

8:30 AM

Morning everyone.

8:57 AM

Ok, me and my American mate is having a debate on, "We should come up with a saying like 'mate' in America"
So far my suggestion was
"psy"
How does it sound?

("are having a debate", there's more than one of you)

@Ste morning, can I have a quick up? english.stackexchange.com/questions/142997/…

Ok

@Hugo done. New tag?

Also - we need to award bounties...

@EnglishMaster "psy", dunno. I think "mate" is mostly British/Australian/NZ English, but how about existing words like "buddy" for the US?

@Ste yep

I tried it yesterday. New tag, upvotes and tag wiki. No hat

I think someone else needs to use the tag for you to get the hat.

Mine was "british-dialect". Which was yours and I'll add a question with that tag?

9:01 AM

@Ste I'd tried before, by editing my question, and some others', to add a tag

buddy takes too much energy to say it. Whereas, "psy" is so easy to say and requires no effort at all

[origin-unknown]

and I didn't get the hat

but I think you need to ask a fresh question with the new tag, and can then edit it into other Qs, including another person's

Okay, lets award each other bounties and then create a new question with each other's tag.

how long have the bounties had?

2 days left

I was leaving them open for extra views and stuff, but we can get 'em out of the way before Christmas :)

Congratulations @Ste! english.stackexchange.com/a/78369/9001

@Congratulations, @Hugo! english.stackexchange.com/questions/45883/…

@tchrist has the Eureka hat! How?!

9:10 AM

@Ste Don't know. Don't think he knows either.

@That's annoying!

+3 hats! Bounty Hunter, IG-88 and Make It Rain

Yeah! I need Mr Binx, Lonesome Cowboy, Eureka, & BEfore it was Cool.

And the ones from the 25th and 1st...

Binx and Lonesone Cowboy are straightforward enough

Yeah, some moron answered my tumbleweed candidate with a link only reply!

Let me know if you get the Before It was Cool for adding that tag to Yonks.

9:28 AM

@Ste drat!

@Ste ok, will do

9:38 AM

@Hugo doesn't look like you've got the tag hat. I'll create a question with origin-unknown or add it to another questions.

manishearth got it with [clickjacking] on just three questions: security.stackexchange.com/users/7497/manishearth?tab=activity security.stackexchange.com/tags/clickjacking/topusers

@Hugo I don't understand..

Speculation:

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A: Shouldn't I be a hipster?

You only are hip and cool when you've re-discovered the old fashion. Anyone can put on a retro-style glasses, but it is not hip until you've retroactively shown that it is retro! There is a spoiler below, only read it if you are really cool and into these things. There is a huge caveat: I don...

"You must've created a new tag with a new question, then go and add the tag to an older question. Now you are hip because your use of the tag is totally retro. You cannot create the tag by adding it to an existing post, it has to be created with the new question."

You've tried that though?

yes

appears to be what Manishearth did too

Anonymous

9:59 AM

@Ste Sorry, I couldn't think of anything clever to say about marauder :-)

That's okay - I have given you the check - stand by for a pirate hat!

I just got the hipster hat!

Anonymous

Yay! What hat is that?

Anonymous

Oh, right

Anonymous

Sigh. Stupid 'g' key.

10:05 AM

Me too! Yay!

Anonymous

@Ste Hat received! :-)

@snailboat - Great!

@Ste not sure if yonks did it, it could have been your howwa edit

@Hugo - Yeah it's exactly as the link you posted has it as far as I can tell!

Anonymous

The eye-patch covers up the entire baby snail in my avatar.

10:06 AM

Hi

Is validation a mass noun?

Incidentally, @Hugo - if you can answer the howwa question, that'd be great!

@Ste OK, I'll have a look later

Anonymous

@Noah It can be both count and non-count (meaning mass), depending on context

In line field validation is good for your form

Need to figure out Eureka now!

Broadcast for all: Only 15 more participants needed for the "Oh the Horror" hat club! Star this message to spread the word!

A: Is this sentence proper English?

10:30 AM

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"May the force be equal to mass times acceleration" is perfectly grammatical. Your argument hinges on the fact that the force already is equal to mass×acceleration, but that is irrelevant here. All the grammaticality requires is that a sentence can be parsed, not that it also makes sense or is ...

@snailboat thank you for the challenge. It was fun. I say that with all modesty.

Jul 21 '11 at 15:45, by RegDwight

3k does not mean "expert on the subject matter". 3k only means "expert on how to get to 3k".

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt I'm planning on getting to 3k on ELU eventually!

Also, I acknowledge that I wouldn't be able to get to #1 without your help, or that of other mods or 3k users.

time for a spot of abligurition

Lastly, I have noticed that you yourself don't have quite a few of the hats I got, so you should be able to overtake me by ~3 with zero to none effort.

@RegDwigнt - Any more thoughts on Eureka yet?

10:38 AM

Do we need the last will in this?

I will look into this and will get back to you

@Hugo @RegDwigнt @Ste

Anonymous

I [ [will look into this] and [will get back to you] ]
I will [ [look into this] and [get back to you] ]

@Noah - No, it's not needed.

@Ste I am pretty sure it is awarded manually, so for all I care it might as well not exist.

Awarded manually by whom?

Though of course I'd still like to learn what it is awarded for.

@Ste devs. Like the Epic Punyon Beards last year.

10:41 AM

Well that's not fair!

What about this: we need to discuss this among ourselves and with our development team.

Well I'm not saying that's 100% how it works. Not with enough confidence anyway.

is with needed in this?

I'd put it there.

Because it seems like ourselves is not part of the development team.

The speaker isn't, anyway.

Anonymous

We need to discuss this [ [among ourselves] and [with our development team] ]
We need to discuss this among [ [ourselves] and [our development team] ] ← "among our development team"

10:44 AM

O hey, that's a proper left arrow! That reminds me, you read my comment from last night?

Anonymous

I think so. But I don't remember now :-(

Anonymous

Which comment do you mean?

The one with proper arrows.

Of course you can use <>, you just have to mask them as the HTML entities <>. (Not as cryptic as it might seem, the abbreviations stand for "less than" and "greater than". And the ampersand and the semicolon are common to all HTML entities, that's just the format they come in. Some other useful examples include — for an em-dash; → for a proper right arrow "→";   for a non-breakable space; and , short for "soft hyphen", for optional hyphenation of long words at the end of a line. Google for "HTML entities" to find more.) I've edited the answer accordingly. — ЯegDwight 8 hours ago

Anonymous

Oh, I don't remember anything about proper arrows.

Ah yes, one upvote. I suspect you.

Anonymous

10:45 AM

Oh!

Anonymous

I remember that now.

Haha you remind me of Cerberus right now.

Anonymous

I always type → and ← and such using Japanese input

Anonymous

＿＠＿レ　　　←　　　A picture of a snail

Ah, fair enough.

People with Japanese keyboards are of course free to ignore ¼ of what I say.

10:46 AM

@snailboat Elaborate please.

Anonymous

A ( X + Y ) = AX + AY
A ( X + Y ) ≠ AX + BY

Anonymous

(Well, unless A = B.)

Looks like snailboat had a cryptographer for breakfast.

Anonymous

Okay, I'll try again!

Though I suspect I understand it because I suspect that it's the same argument I was trying to make rather clumsily. I suspect.

Anonymous

10:49 AM

We need to discuss this among [ [ourselves] and [our development team] ] =
We need to discuss this among ourselves and we need to discuss this among our development team

Anonymous

Your other sentence has among and with, not among and among.

Anonymous

So they are not the same.

Yeah and I went a step further by saying that the among-among thing feels weird to me.

Anonymous

Yes

Because what you want to say is you discuss it with group A which is inclusive for lack of a better word, and group B which excludes you, or even all of group A in fact.

So two different prepositions are in order.

I think I have lulled Noah to sleep.

Or we, rather.

10:54 AM

Don't forget about amongst

Same difference.

Anonymous

I never forget about amongst.

:-)

Q: What is the distinction between "among" and "amongst"?

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It seems amongst is quite often used as a synonym for among but it is supposed to sound more distinguished. Is there any difference in the meaning?

differences prepositions synonyms suffixes

Cheese and rice, nohat with his charts again.

Language: the cold science of numbers.

Anonymous

Hey, he plotted! I'm always too lazy to do that.

10:55 AM

I say that with the utmost request in my capacity as probably the frequentest charter of this site.

Anonymous

I go much more regularly to COCA and GloWbE and such and give little bits of data

Numbers: the cold language of science.

A: Is it "despite" or "despite of"?

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As JSBangs and Kosmonaut have pointed out already, despite is the way to go in contemporary English. However, despite of is not incorrect per se; it's just a bit dated. Look no further than at the works of William Shakespeare: "Grace is grace, despite of all controversy: as, for example, ...

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A: Is it "alright" or "allright"?

Wiktionary marks alright as an "alternative spelling" of all right, and allright as a "common misspelling" thereof. Merriam-Webster only has entries for alright and all right, and this usage discussion: The one-word spelling alright appeared some 75 years after all right itself had reappeared...

Anonymous

I've used charts from Google NGram viewer a few times.

Anonymous

You have to be pretty careful with those

A: When do you use “learnt” and when “learned”?

10:57 AM

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Merriam-Webster marks learnt as "chiefly British", and Wiktionary as "UK", adding that learned is the "Standard US English spelling". Quoting a linguist's comment from elsewhere, [The Corpus of Historical American English] shows that learned has always been more common than learnt in American...

Anonymous

Sometimes when I'm discussing contemporary usage, I set the window to 1980-2000 and set smoothing to 20.

@snailboat I use COCA and then copypaste the data into Google Spreadsheets to produce the charts manually.

Well, semi-manually anyway.

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt See, that smacks of effort.