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12:00 AM
Green?
Does that mean € 5 or € 200, or what other note was green again...
Ah, it was € 100.
 
Yeah Frosty.
Nais.
 
@RegDwigнt The questions over there make me think harder. Not, perhaps, more effectively, but harder.
 
@StoneyB well you don't have to deal with questions to get hats.
 
Greetings!
The questions over where?
 
12:06 AM
ELL
 
Ah.
 
ESL
 
GEO
 
?
 
I thought we were posting abbreviations for fun?
 
12:12 AM
icic
 
Anonymous
Q : "Do you have a name?"
A : "Yeah, I have a name; sam."
 
Anonymous
Something wrong with the above answer?
 
Anonymous
in-respect how the ";" is used?
 
I would prefer a comma or a colon.
 
Anonymous
Hello @ll btw :)
 
12:14 AM
And hello.
 
@Qǝuoɯᴉs It should be a colon. A semi-colon usually announces a new clause; a colon points to an expansion of what has just been said.
@RegDwigнt I'm not allowed to wear any but this one -- my late father-in-law was an aerospace engineer
 
Anonymous
Then a comma it is.
 
@StoneyB No comma? I guess a comma could be confusing if the other person's name were unknown...
 
Anonymous
@StoneyB I thought that, the semi-colon introduced an-equally-important part of a sentences....
 
Anonymous
Which kind of made sense, considering the name is as important as the opening clause.
 
12:17 AM
After a semicolon, I would either expect a complete sentence or an enumeration, I think.
 
@StoneyB my father still is an aerospace engineer. So what? I can still be a hippo with a flower basket for a hat.
 
Really?
 
What, really? You forget things again?
 
I am supposed to know that?
 
Or do you object to my hippo self?
 
12:19 AM
Your father's being an aerospace engineer.
 
@Cerberus know? Yes. Remember? No.
 
You think he can get us outta here?
 
I used to have close ties to the KGB, too.
And to Yeltsin.
And to that Kursk that sank.
Who do you think I am, some random Kazakh?
 
No, a Tartar.
 
That's just the hat.
 
12:20 AM
Preferably a steak tartare.
> Pollution from cooking and lighting kills more people than malaria.
Random quote.
 
Intermezzo for midnight stats.
Netw 1668
SO 807
SU 20
SF 11
MSO 85
Prog 29
Math 142
Ubun 24
Game 34
WApp 2
Unix 30
Code 11
ELU 27
Cook 8
We got more hats at midnight than 5 sites above us. Looks not too unpromising.
 
Are those...hats?
 
Those are hats gained precisely at midnight SE time.
 
We're supposed to beat 1668?
Oh.
 
Like, the Snowman and the UnDo.
Those are only awarded at the end of the day.
So a good representation of how active the people have really been.
@Cerberus 1668 is network-wide. We can't beat that by definition, only reach.
 
12:23 AM
Ah.
142 sounds high as well.
 
But yeah, we got more autohats than SU and SF. That's interesting.
 
Well, I saw an answer of mine clock in the fastest I've ever received a downvote:
-1
A: Is there a common word or phrase for a hypocondriac parent?

MrHenHere are two relevant terms that come close to your intended meaning: helicopter parent — a parent who pays extremely close attention to a child's or children's experiences and problems, particularly at educational institutions Münchausen syndrome by proxy — a behavior pattern in which a caregi...

 
Greetings!
 
Can anyone give me a quick once over to see if I missed something obvious?
@Cerberus Hey :)
 
@gilles could use some hats on ELU. He's got twenty so far but exactly zero here. What gives?
 
12:28 AM
@MrHen Looks good.
+1
 
@MrHen thank heavens you already received "UpDo" 28 minutes ago.
 
@RegDwigнt Psh, I would probably have accidentally got that at some point. Lots of my older posts still collect a few upvotes now and again.
 
But that's sort of my point. A stray downvote is all too easily invited by a fresh answer. Upvotes on old stuff are trivial.
So you don't have to do anything for the hat, but once you do something, you might not get it.
Rather backwards.
 
@MετάEd Yes?
 
@RegDwigнt OK then I'm working hard on that hat.
 
12:34 AM
@RegDwigнt I only wear hats that I've earned on a site
 
@Cerberus you'll also be getting your specially tailored Cerberus hat shortly.
 
Really?
Fabulous.
 
Orly?
 
@Gilles which is precisely my point. You obviously know how to earn hats, so why not earn one on ELU.
 
@RegDwigнt why would I earn one on ELU?
I'm not exactly an active user here
 
12:35 AM
@Cerberus yes, the three-hat hat. For all your head needs.
 
I you guys hadn't stupidly split off ELL I would have some hats here
 
By mail?
 
maybe
 
@Gilles A. All hats are earned "on a site" and B. You are wearing a hat you didn't earn here.
 
@Gilles It was the lesser evil...
@Robusto I am wearing a hat?
Oh.
 
12:36 AM
False alarm.
 
@Gilles whoa dude. Be like that. I am not active on French at all, yet I have a hat there.
 
@Robusto I was half-expecting that one… I'll only wear a hat on a site where I've earned it.
I know that hats are transferable this year, but I don't like it, so I don't do it.
Chat uses the hat of the site that my account is associated with. ELU doesn't have a separate chat server.
 
There's barely a site I don't have a hat on.
Hats are cool. Hats are better than cool. Hats are hats.
 
I have “old hat” on a majority of sites, but ELU is from before I joined sites as soon as they go public
 
Well. So let me sum it up. You do not participate in ELU at all, evar.
 
12:39 AM
Sep 5 '12 at 20:40, by Robusto
And what do you call a Scottish hat salesman in Germany? A Hüt Mann.
 
That's cool with us, there are like four hats we can get you anyway.
 
@RegDwigнt I rarely do. I haven't participated during this year's winter bash yet.
 
Mark my words, then. We will get you those hats with or without your consent.
 
you seem to be set on getting me the chat hat
 
Keerist, Martha's already got 12 hats.
 
12:41 AM
Oh! Actually I wasn't. But good thinking.
@Robusto well. You see that advertisement to the right? I live up to my promises.
 
@Robusto Is that pot-kettle-black, or are you taunting me?
 
@Marthaª I don't taunt, I flaunt.
 
@Marthaª he is genuinely worried. He hasn't been getting too many hats in the last thirty minutes or so.
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A: Is Hyphen Really the Longer – line instead of the shorter dash - line?

GillesHyphen and dash are at least three distinct characters, and the hyphen is the shortest. Hyphens “-” are primarily used in compound words (a 20-year-old co-ed) and when a word is broken at the end of a line (which explains why word breaking is called hyphenation). Hyphens are always very short, ...

That's some nice hat material.
 
So many hats I want... I really love the pink frilly thing you're wearing, Reg, but I absolutely adore Roba Fett.
 
There are so many secret hats, too.
 
12:46 AM
@RegDwigнt In what way?
 
That are beautiful, that is.
@Marthaª four upvotes for a silver badge and a hat.
 
@RegDwigнt Yeah, except I already upvoted it long ago.
 
I still haven't figured out the unicorn one. It's for something on meta but I don't know exactly what
 
@Gilles I think Kit has been running some experiments on our meta.
 
12:48 AM
At least we know how to get the Atwood hat now.
We'll figure out the rest in due time.
 
@RegDwigнt 1. There's an Atwood hat? 2. How do you get it?
 
@Marthaª Guru badge on meta
must be hard outside SO
 
@Marthaª It's the one you said you couldn't contribute to, at least not with the choices presented to you.
@Gilles nah, has to be an answer and accepted.
Ah, better.
 
12:52 AM
@RegDwigнt you have to earn the badge, so you need to reach score 40 or be accepted during the hat period
 
Right.
 
so nohat can grant it to kosmonaut by accepting his answer, or a few more people can get it from upvotes plus in two case an accept
 
Well then. @nohat, how about accepting Kosmo's answer here?
Long overdue anyway.
 
and there you go
 
I mean, like, OVER 3 years overdue.
Hey I see a cat.
And that one wasn't even planned.
 
12:58 AM
@Marthaª All I meant was that you just started today and you're already up to 12 badges. It was a whistle of appreciation.
 
@Gilles Oh BTW, what about that Ghost of the Winterbash past?
I keep forgetting to look that one up.
But I remember that that hat was there the last time around.
I just don't remember the conditions attached to it.
 
@ManishEarth might know
 
@Gilles hah. Very funny. He knows everything about every hat.
Besides, it's still more fun to figure it out ourselves.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 there should be a secret ninja hat just for the people who have "ninja" in their name.
But I must be off for tonight. Ged is about to fight his shadow.
Night all! Keep on hatting!
 
1:06 AM
the right hat for this time is a nightcap
this isn't a secret hat, is it?
 
@RegDwigнt I like it. I like it a lot.
 
@RegDwigнt there is one, but you have to be really observant to see it
 
@Gilles It ought to be one.
 
should be a hat for getting a non-chat hat without participating on the site during winter bash time
 
@Robusto I actually started yesterday, same as everyone else. I just didn't poke my head into chat yesterday. (I probably shouldn't poke my head into chat tomorrow, either, because I really have too much to do...)
I killed chat, apparently
 
1:20 AM
@Marthaª you should get a hat for that.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Yes. Yes, I should.
:D
 
@Gilles phew Good thing they translated that for your Frenchies!
 
@Cerberus So, wait, they "translated" the part that is almost identical in the other language, but left the part that would be way different ("join the...") alone?
 
1:37 AM
@Marthaª Exactly!
 
Jeff no longer works for SE, and @kosmonaut now has him for a hat. Karmic justice.
 
1:59 AM
I have 20 hats, but no 20th hat.
Ack. This answer is as close as I get to guru on Meta.
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Q: Is there a semantic difference between "pedophile" and "pederast"?

KitFoxIf I understand the etymology of pedophile and pederast, both mean child lover. Is there a difference in their connotation? In some recent local news stories that discuss changing sex offender laws, the controversy has centered around dividing the pedophiles and the rapists from the more questi...

 
108 views to go!
 
I know what this is for.
Necromancer!
Don't tell anyone outside this chat.
 
I was going to guess that!
They had one like that last year.
 
@tchrist that should be right up your alley.
@KitFox exactly. But I couldn't remember what it was for.
I searched, but to no avail.
 
2:04 AM
I bet there's one for reversal.
 
Was about to start searching this room, which would've been cumbersome.
 
I managed that one last year, but it was tough.
 
So anyway. Every Necromancer has this hat, and everyone who has his hat god Necromancer today or yesterday.
 
iirc
 
Yeah.
But turns out I've laid some ground stones already.
2
A: A majority of those whose family or families

RegDwigнtNow that you've provided the complete context, I think it is safe to say two things. Whichever variant works best for the last sentence in isolation — and it is easy to imagine that all three do, depending on dialect and register —, since the construction is repeated in the other two sentences,...

 
2:06 AM
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Q: Is there an acceptable corresponding negative to "well off"?

RobustoWhen we wish to refer to people who are living an affluent lifestyle or simply enjoying favorable circumstances in any particular area, we often say they are well off. So far so good. But listening to a podcast this afternoon, I heard the host try to express the opposite condition, and the te...

C'mon, people. Doesn't anyone want a bounty?
 
@Robusto I want a bounty but I suck and am tired and suck despite being tired that's how much I suck.
Anyway. Just wanted to share the news. Get some Necros, willya.
Over and out.
 
Necro wafers?
It's kind of an r.
 
@RegDwigнt Wait! You had something for getting voted on!
 
Wait, how do you get to that page that explains what all the badges you don't have are?
Nev' mind.
 
@Robusto I'm tired too. I'll think on it tomorrow.
Night!
 
2:13 AM
Night.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:37 AM
Site is ronly. Wonder why.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:19 AM
!!define ronly
 
@badass It means I ain't got time to learn your $5 words
 
@tchrist nice $5 word that KitSox doesn't have time to learn ;-)
!!wiki rony
 
}} Ronald Fred "Rony" Seikaly (), known in Greece as Rony Sakalis (Greek: Ρόνι Σακαλής); born May 10, 1965) is a retired Lebanese-born American professional basketball player. Considered one of the top college players from Syracuse Orange men's basketball program, Seikaly's stellar offense and defense placed him among the school's all-time leaders in rebounds, points and blocks while earning several nationally recognized awards and honors. Drafted into the National Basketball Association (NBA) by the Miami Heat, Seikaly became one of the team's earliest franchise players as he ranked ...
 
5:35 AM
5
A: I (Don't) See Your Point: How do I earn this unicorn hat?

AntonyI just got this hat without much activity on SO. Judging form Gilles' idea, I checked my meta activity and found that someone just upvoted one of my comments, and now I have: So this hat is like the meta equivalent of Peanut Gallery. Given the unicorn look of the hat, and most of the people I ...

"I just got this hat without much activity on SO. Judging form Gilles' idea, I checked my meta activity and found that someone just upvoted one of my comments, and now I have:

5 comments (on meta) with a score of 2 or more since Winter Bash has started.

So this hat is like the meta equivalent of Peanut Gallery. Given the unicorn look of the hat, and most of the people I see on the leaderboard who have this hat are meta regulars, it proves Gilles point that earning this hat is a result of meta activity."
"Earned ten of the most meaningless points on the 'Net"
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/211749/winter-bash-2013-secret-hats/211750#211750
Have you seen this lately? Trying for 500 views in 2 days... english.stackexchange.com/questions/141984/…
 
6:08 AM
Yesterday me, @Ste and @MATTЭЛЛЕН did some cross-voting for the rep-cap-cap, and all have had "reversal Serial upvoting reversed" (which is fine) but it was all about the hats and the main thing is we still have the R-E-S-P-E-C-T hat
 
6:20 AM
!!youtube respect
 
7:04 AM
Hi
@badass
A question.
Will you say your balance will be carried over to the next year or your balance will be carried over to next year
 
the
 
And why is that? The NY Times has the one without the?
 
that's what I would say, I'm not the NY Times :-)
both are fine
 
LOL
Here's the thing. I think the one without the the sounds fine to me in this case. Not sure, so would be to have your input.
 
It depends on how you want the sentence to read.
Let's see the entire sentence, please.
And the preceding sentence if you have it :-)
context, context, context
 
7:14 AM
I have my leave balance. And I want to ask the HR if it can be carried over to next year. So I write, As this is the last month of this year, do I have to take all my leave or will be it be carried over to next year.
 
no "the" is needed, and it sounds fine
the definite article "the" is not needed to single out the year
 
Is it needed or not needed.
@badass Which means?
And did you mean to say no, *the is needed* ?
 
Correct version: your balance will be carried over to next year
the
^do NOT use
 
Thanks.
 
np
 
7:22 AM
Look how confusing can one comma make the whole thing
 
icic
8 mins ago, by badass
no "the" is needed, and it sounds fine
"no-the" is needed, and it sounds fine
 
Yeah, I know. But sometimes we miss commas, and thats what I thought
 
Nah, my fault. I should have been clearer, sorry.
!!define clear
 
@badass clear Transparent in colour.
 
Free of ambiguity or doubt.
 
7:30 AM
Yeah. Look at that.
She is also calling you badass.
How do food production firms come up with expiration dates?
 
They should do experiments.
I think there is some government agency that checks up on them
F.D.A.
 
8:10 AM
!!wiki FDA
 
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA or USFDA) is an agency of the United States Department of Health and Human Services, one of the United States federal executive departments. The FDA is responsible for protecting and promoting public health through the regulation and supervision of food safety, tobacco products, dietary supplements, prescription and over-the-counter pharmaceutical drugs (medications), vaccines, biopharmaceuticals, blood transfusions, medical devices, electromagnetic radiation,cosmetics, emitting devices (ERED), and veterinary products. The FDA also enforces other la...
 
9:05 AM
Hats... we should try and solve shog's riddles:
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A: Winter Bash 2013: Secret Hats

Shog9They're not really all that secret if we give it all away so easily, are they? Here are some hints - if you can figure them out, you're on your way to some SECRET hats: ...then I took an arrow to the knee. Earned ten of the most meaningless points on the 'Net I live... AGAIN! He ain't no drag...

"from JBM to JWH": this refers to the Chuck Yeager hat, you need to answer quickly. It refers to being a quick draw: "Court records show John Wesley Hardin was carrying a Colt "Lightning" revolver when he was shot and killed
on August 19, 1895. The Colt, (with a .38 caliber, 2½" barrel) is nickel-plated, with blued hammer, trigger and screws. The back-strap is hand-engraved: "J.B.M. TO J.W.H.""
"Earned ten of the most meaningless points on the 'Net" --> Peanut Gallery, I think
? "...then I took an arrow to the knee." --> perhaps a reference to this meme: knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee from the game The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: “I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee.”
? "I live... AGAIN!" --> perhaps a post is deleted, then undeleted... --> probably the Reanimated hat
? "He ain't no drag" --> this is a line from the James Brown song: "He ain't no drag /
Papa's got a brand new bag" http://www.metrolyrics.com/papas-got-a-brand-new-bag-lyrics-james-brown.html Wikipedia: "Brown sings the praises of an old man brave enough to get out on the dance floor of a nightclub ("brand new bag" meaning new interest, taste, or way of doing something)"
? "Humpty Dumpty, or perfect in every way?" --> no idea
 
9:25 AM
!!youtube I feel good
 
? "There are only so many people capable of putting together words that stir and move and sing." --> quote from a book by Frederik Pohl and CM Kornbluth: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XxTSJcvYJYQC&pg=PA197&dq=%22There+are+only+so+many+people+capable+of+putting+together+words+that+stir+and+move+and+sing.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JWqxUrrID8T-ygODs4LABg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22There%20are%20only%20so%20many%20people%20capable%20of%20putting%20together%20words%20that%20stir%20and%20move%20and%20sing.%22&f=false --> "There are only so many people capable of putting together words that stir a
? "You look like an absolute idiot." --> no idea
 
@matt Boo!
 
@Hugo I think this is the hat for getting the necromancer badge
hi @Jasper :)
@Hugo that's not a secret hat :D
@Hugo sorry, I mean, the unicorn hat
@Hugo reg was suggesting that getting the necromancer badge will get you a hat (ghost of winterbash past)
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@Hugo so, not peanut gallery exactly, but the peanut gallery equivalent on MSO
 
Ste
Morning all!
 
9:35 AM
hello!
 
Ste
I got the "Question" hat for the marauder question! lol
 
@MattЭллен Aha! Look who just got a necromancer badge and ghost of winterbash past hat! english.stackexchange.com/help/badges/44/necromancer english.stackexchange.com/users/2022/mplungjan
 
I think the 15 flags hat must be 15 flags in a day
 
I think ELU is the most enthusiastic site about hats.
 
I think MSO is the most enthusiastic site about hats :D that's what all their questions are about ;)
 
9:38 AM
@MattЭллен I got the 15 flags hat in a day, but it was the first day. Search google for obsolete "fixed" comments to flag
This is one vote away from Necromancer: english.stackexchange.com/a/103135/9001
 
@RegDwigнt this one?
@Robusto you click on "Winter Bash" in the top left corner of the eponymous dropdown.
 
Wow, eponymous is a difficult word.
 
@Ste Yes I noticed, well done!
 
Ste
I didn't get myself a marauder hat though. :(
Took one for the team, I guess.
 
no. I think the highseas were tamed
 
9:42 AM
@Ste Nor me
 
I don't have the marauder hat neither
 
So WTF is the marauder hat?
 
it is a hat you get for stealing a check mark
 
So did someone get it in the end?
 
I enjoyed writing and reading the answers and comments, though, so it was worth it
Kit did
 
9:44 AM
This is one vote away from Necromancer, could I have an extra up to test the Ghost of Winter Bash past hat? english.stackexchange.com/a/103135/9001
I think I might be one vote away from marauder too: english.stackexchange.com/a/142222/9001
Thanks, now let's see if the hat dispenser works
 
Ste
@Hugo I've upped the marauder one. Fingers crossed.
 
OK, confirmed: Necromancer badge --> host of Winter Bash Past hat
 
Ste
I've got no eligible necromancer posts. That hat is unobtainable.
Bad times...
 
nah, just answer an old question. potential for the marauder hat too!
I'm currently at 0% chance of necro too
(any questions ask from before 20th oct)
 
Ste
Ah I see...
I will answer an old question.
Is it your network userid, btw?
 
9:55 AM
oh, I don't know. I used my EL&U id
 
Ste's is 20739
it's in the URL
 
!!parentuser MattЭллен
 
@MattЭллен Can't find user matt in this chatroom.
 
9:57 AM
@Hugo yeah :D, I just wanteed to see if that function worked
 
Wow, the bot must have taken a long time to program.
 
indeed
 
And I thought Kit was busy.
 
well, Zirak did a lot of the work
 
Who is Zirak?
 
9:58 AM
Kit's been refining and adding new stuff
@JasperLoy a user from another site who made the original bot
 
Ah, I am not too in touch with SE stuff after I deleted my 20k accounts. =)
 
Aiming for the 500 views with this: english.stackexchange.com/questions/141984/…
 
10:02 AM
Is there currently any plan to merge ELL and ELU?
 
It's exactly 2 weeks to New Year.
 
10:17 AM
Is it too early to send someone a Happy New Year email now?
 
I would say so. when do you think they'll read it?
 
Then how many days before is a good time?
 
-1
email is instant. it's not like a letter in terms of being delivered
 
I see. I am using the greeting as an excuse to tell them some other things.
I guess I could wait till -1.
 
or on new years day
yay! silver foil hat!
 
Ste
10:35 AM
@Hugo - do you still need marauder?
1
Q: To not want to believe something has happened

mbarryI usually hear people use the phrase "I don't/didn't want to believe it," and I've always been curious as to what it meant. Does it mean that the person is in denial of something? Or does it mean that the person does believe something but doesn't want to? How's it different from when people say "...

I see what you are doing there, @MattЭллен
 
@Ste Yes. Doesn't seem to work on that other one.
 
Ste
@Hugo Add a new answer to one of my older questions and I will temporarily give you the check until you get the hat. You can then reciprocate. :)
You can delete your answer afterwards so it doesn't need to be great.
 
10:51 AM
@Ste OK. I'll look for one to give a good answer to though :)
 
Ste
@Hugo - just don't leave me in the predicament of wondering whether to let you keep the check though!
 
@Ste That's the idea!
 
Ste
I'll find one of yours now.
 

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