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2:00 PM
Hi @Gigili how are you? Long time no see.
 
Our present-day conception of an orc or ork is one of a race of mythical humanoid creatures, generally described as brutish, aggressive and repulsive, stemming from the writings of J. R. R. Tolkien, where orcs contrast with the benevolent Elvish race. In Tolkien's writings, orc is another word for goblin. Tolkien developed his idea of the orc from the Old English term orcneas. In popular culture (including fantasy fiction and fantasy games), orcs are variously portrayed. Facial features tend toward the grotesque (generally a mixture of the ape-like and pig-like), and thei...
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!!wiki orc (Warhammer)
 
Orcs are one of the races in Games Workshop's Warhammer Fantasy universe, and are related to goblins. The brutish orcs, though less intelligent, tend to dominate the meeker goblins. In Warhammer Fantasy Battle, rules for using orcs are covered in the book Warhammer Armies: Orcs & Goblins. Orcs in Warhammer are not very intelligent or knowledgeable but are capable of cunning. In combat they can transform even the most common object into a lethal killing instrument. They are extremely warlike, with a society geared towards constant warfare, living in small tribal groups with a strong chain...
 
@Meysam Hey. Well, a very busy life wink
 
Please somebody suggest an alternative for this: "and at preliminary age, I mean when I was 5 or 6 years old"
 
2:02 PM
!!youtube orc (Warhammer)
 
commute, bai
 
later
 
@Gigili Are you still in Germany?
 
@Meysam We are not sure what you want to mean there.
 
2:03 PM
@JasperLoy I told you, I am trying to describe the age right before going to school.
 
preschool
 
I thought preliminary might be a good adjective for it, which seems to be not.
 
kindergarten
 
Maybe at a preschool age.
 
@badass good one.
 
2:04 PM
That's no English, that's German.
 
@JasperLoy Marked as the accepted answer.
 
Ask Reg for confirmation
 
look it up
 
@Meysam Unfortunately not.
 
"at a preschool age" or "at preschool age"? Is the bloody hell "a" really needed there?
 
2:06 PM
no
 
@Meysam ramyofti ya rabyoftunamet?
 
kindergarten is neither English nor German.
 
@Gigili Good for you. Germany is not a safe place to live, indeed.
 
Kindergarten is German.
kindergarden is English.
 
There you go
 
2:06 PM
@Gigili ramyoftamalan.
 
A kinda garden is when you have concrete covering you back yard
 
@RegDwigнt Don't confuse @Meysam
 
@Cerberus strategy succeeded
 
but you didn't look it up
 
@JasperLoy you're the only one confused here.
 
2:07 PM
@MattЭллен that's not a garden it's a driveway. You've been using it wrong all these years.
 
@Gigili You had to were there and see yourself how it got destroyed after the world war II.
 
@RegDwigнt I'm confused.
 
@Mitch you're Mitch
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Hurry up. "at a preschool age" or "at preschool age" or "at the preschool age"?
 
Moooooooooooooooooore context
 
2:09 PM
@Meysam It's not what you're trying to say
 
@badass "My father also had a very essential role in teaching me Islamic Sharia, and at preschool age, I mean when I was 5 or 6 years old, he usually took me to the mosque for the Dhohr, Asr, Maghrib and Isha prayers. "
 
> preschool: a school for children between the ages of about two and five
Mitch Confused, from the Great Britain
 
@Meysam sounds ok to me
 
@badass Thank you badass.
 
thanks for asking
 
2:11 PM
@badass Anytime.
 
No
 
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)kept in(
 
= -1*(removed)
 
> Sign language translator at Nelson Mandela's memorial was a fake. South Africa's deaf federation confirms his movements had no meaning.
I wonder if they ever found out that Obama was fake, too.
 
2:15 PM
@RegDwigнt Geezis
 
@RegDwigнt harsh indeed
 
what he's not black?
(Obama)
 
Of course he's not black. He's a Chicago politician. That's a race of its own.
 
Another product of grade inflation at Harvard.
Where the class average is A-
 
He's grey, if you ask me
 
2:19 PM
I have no strong feelings this way or the other.
 
He lives in a grey area.
 
@badass The students that get in to Harvard are pretty good. So maybe they earned all A-'s
 
Not when the most frequent grade is an A.
 
Stephen Smale inspires me.
 
@badass What you consider him is a social construction. He is exactly half and half as anybody could be. He identifies as African-American.
 
2:21 PM
He got B's and C's but still won a Fields medal.
 
@MattЭллен That I am sure of. I checked the name tag.
 
I suspect he has some disorder, lol.
 
What if somebody got my name tag wrong? or switched it?
 
@Mitch was it your name tag?
jinx!
 
!!Matt Ellen
 
2:22 PM
@JasperLoy That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.
 
No, you jinx
 
!!Mitch
 
@JasperLoy That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.
 
@Mitch I hope I didn't offend you, I didn't mean to.
 
@Meysam Wow. What? What is your standard of safety?
There aren't riots in the street like in Kiev or the Paris suburbs.
 
2:25 PM
True.
 
@badass H aha. no. I'm just trying to put knowledge in to the works. Kenyans probably want to 'own' him, even if Obama is really white to them.
 
@badass I saw you talking about pi + e and pi - e that day. The sum of two irrationals may be rational or irrational.
 
The whole Harvard, Stanford grade inflation story bugs me...
 
@JasperLoy I heard you deleted you account, but you're still here, which is a miracle
 
pi - pi might or might not be rational, but it is irrational to worry about it. Sorry, no, I was wrong, it's -really- rational to worry about that.
 
2:27 PM
@Gigili I keep deleting and creating accounts, haha. But my 20k ELU and 20k MSE accounts are gone forever.
 
That's a shame
 
Not like the 20k can be converted to $$$.
 
@badass at some point nobody cares about GPA. In high school totally yes for getting in to college. yes, quite a bit for getting into grad school. For getting a job...a little.
 
A child whose parents are dead is an orphan, what about when his mother is still alive?
 
single parent family
 
2:29 PM
> yfdl
 
Answer my question, you Mr.know-it-all
 
@Mitch If Daddy is giving a huge endowment to this university Jr better get straight As.
 
Is that some kind of "your filage day lary"?
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A: "Belated happy birthday" or "happy belated birthday"?

DickA "birthdate" is always a specific date. It cannot be delayed like a dentist appointment. Just because you forgot or missed sending your greetings prior to and up to the actual date it has no bearing on the birth date. You're greetings are late or belated. Try to diagram the sentence, "I wish you...

@Gigili there's half-orphan and (complete) orphan. And not just in English. In German and Russian, too.
 
@Gigili not an orphan. an orphan has no parents. a child with a parent is not an orphan.
 
semi-orphan
 
2:31 PM
@RegDwigнt Flagged for your ease of reference
 
Also,
> In the common use, an orphan does not have any surviving parent to care for him or her. However, the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF), Joint United Nations Programme on HIV and AIDS (UNAIDS), and other groups label any child that has lost one parent as an orphan.
 
@RegDwigнt You're a dictionary, no need to link to those fake dictionaries.
 
> In this approach, a maternal orphan is a child whose mother has died, a paternal orphan is a child whose father has died, and a double orphan has lost both parents. This contrasts with the older use of half-orphan to describe children that had lost only one parent.
So there you have it. Maternal orphan, paternal orphan, half-orphan, orphan, complete orphan, double orphan.
All the range you need.
 
Geezis
 
@badass Harvard does have some legacies but it is much more meritocratic than you think.
 
2:35 PM
Somehow, I don't like the name Harvard.
 
@Gigili no one uses half orphan' or anything like it (except these weird government like organizations).
@JasperLoy There are worse.
Bowdoin - not pronounced anything like how it is spelled.
Beloit - the sound of a ball bearing dropped in a toilet.
 
@Mitch The close parenthesis, please.
 
It's like someone misspelled aardvark
 
@Gigili done.
 
I also dislike university rankings.
 
2:36 PM
@RegDwigнt Thank you.
@Mitch Thank you.
@JasperLoy Thank you.
 
@Mitch is it pronounced worcestershire?
 
Oh, I meant to ping Matt
 
@JasperLoy Those are all gamed. Each university creates their own numbers so it is totally biased.
@MattЭллен ha ha. No.
It's pronounced 'Niffles'
 
Or Cholemondeley
 
2:38 PM
no no. Ha
 
@Mitch So in a certain ranking, the department I studied was ranked 9 in the world for mathematics this year, which I find hard to believe.
 
@MattЭллен Only worcestershire is pronounced worcestershire. And even it isn't pronounced so.
 
except when you use it as a sauce
 
@JasperLoy well, top 5, 20-30, etc. in a group you can pretty much compare as the same.
 
@MattЭллен I happen to have learnt how to pronounce that.
 
2:39 PM
@badass then you pronounce it 'mmm'
 
@RegDwigнt that's enough of your sauce
 
saucy
 
Dec 5 at 3:37, by cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
@Mitch you shut your sauce box!
 
googles for images :D
:-O
 
@badass I think Marvis is deleting his MSE account.
 
2:41 PM
> She had a school where girls and women attended
Does it make sense?
 
all I'm getting is pictures of recipes for spghetti.
 
I think a "to" is missing
 
@Gigili Yes.
no 'to' needed.
 
Um?
 
@JasperLoy Yes, so they say and Bill D will be back in 4 days.
 
2:42 PM
@Mitch Attend to?
 
@Mitch bubble around me, will you? We'll have collie shangles before now
@Gigili "attend to" require an object, e.g. "attend to your chores"
 
When will Kit be back?
@badass Ah, hope he does not get suspended again.
 
me too
@Mitch speghetti?
 
@MattЭллен collie shangles sound like something else. like ... problems with their hair.
@badass Exactly.
 
@Gigili Maybe you mean she attended a school for women?
 
2:49 PM
@JasperLoy Everything depends on what you mean.
 
lol
who knew!
 
say what you mean
 
Is this correct?
> My grandmother lived with us, my family and I.
 
I am thinking if it should be me and not I.
 
2:55 PM
It's the best kind of correct. It's hypercorrect. Makes you sound like an uneducated native speaker, rather than an educated non-native one.
 
Am I right?
 
If I were a spy, I would only ever use I and whom, never me or who. Also, always was and never were.
 
@RegDwigнt I wonder if it's a good thing
 
as opposed to hypocorrect
 
@Gigili Yeah what Reg is saying is the "correct" thing would be to use "me".
 
2:56 PM
@Gigili Well, are you a spy?
 
But so many native speakers mis-learn the rules on when to use "I" that they stop using "me" whenever there is a list of people.
 
I am not a spy, no matter what you've heard
 
@badass I am opposed to your spelling of opposed.
 
@RegDwigнt Let me check
Or better, let me double-check
 
Oh if you need to check first, I can do that faster. I have an app for spies.
 
2:57 PM
> My grandmother lived with us, me and my family.
Better?
 
Except in Guild Wars 2, where I'm trying to become a Whispers agent
which seems to be like a spy
 
Do you whisper prayers?
 
Sometimes, depends on the situation
 
I whisper blasphemies
 
Good enough for me.
Do not judge and you wonnot be judgen.
 
2:59 PM
Everyone, please pray that I get my miracle soon...
@matt I think I have not done it for two weeks, amazing!
 
@MattЭллен I've heard that you're not a spy, but I also heard that you're a liar. So now I'm very confused.
 
@RegDwigнt maybe you heard my lyre?
 
I always thought your real name was Garry, and not Very
 
I am lick and lyred.
 
I have no idea what you are talking about again.
 
3:02 PM
We have an idea that you have no idea again.
So let's call it quits.
 
The fun in learning is understanding.
 
hiya everyone
had a doubt
is there rule in pronouncing words from other languages when translated to english?
 
really?
 
yes
 
3:10 PM
they get pronounced every which way until one way is settled on, then people will complain about the way.
well, I think it's actually optimistic of me to say one way will be settled on
it's likely there will be a variety of ways
and various arguments as to which is correct
eventually the origin of the word will fall out of everyday knowledge and there will be fewer ways to pronounce it, but there will always be more than one way, due to accents
 
What I've seen usually happens is the first people to bring the word into English pronounce it like, or close to, the foreign pronunciation. Then they write it down. If the other language already has a good way to write its words with our alphabet, that system is used. Then other people read the word but don't know the rules for its foreign pronunciation and pronounce it according to whatever rules they think fit.
Eg The Chinese concept 风水。 The literal translation is "wind-water" but people say "fung shway" if they know how to pronounce it. But it's spelled "feng shui" because it uses Hanyu Pinyin romanization. So people who read the word before hearing it usually say "feng" with the same initial vowel as "encounter" and "shui" as "shoe-y"
 
hmm interesting
 
the word clique is pronounced both /kliːk/ and /klɪk/
 
In 100 years one of four things is likely. 1. Nobody talks about feng shui anymore and the word is forgotten. 2. Everybody agrees to spell it in a more natural spelling system for English to match its pronunciation. 3. The spelling doesn't change but people learn it as a quirk and it becomes one of those impossible-to-spell-until-you-memorize it exceptions. 4. The spelling doesn't change and pinyin spelling rules become part of English as more and more Chinese loan-words become Anglicized.
 
so feng shui is not correct?
 
3:18 PM
And don't get me started on the Beautiful Square which for some reason is pronounced "Red Square".
 
it's because you russians can't decide what "krasniy" actually means
 
Oh, or 5. The pronunciation changes so that the typical English pronunciation rules become accepted as standard. Then only hipsters will insist on the Chinese pronunciation.
 
@JSBձոգչ can, did, have.
Just because translators are morons, doesn't mean Russians are.
In my capacity as a Russian translator.
 
@Amitd "feng shui" is a correct way of spelling the words using the same alphabet as English, albeit with different pronunciation rules than English.
 
15
A: What is the correct pronunciation of the word "Islam"?

RegDwigнtLooking at the other answers, I would like to intervene. Whatever the correct pronunciation in Arabic is, we are talking about English here. Merriam-Webster lists quite a few variations: \is-ˈläm, iz-, -ˈlam, ˈis-ˌ, ˈiz-ˌ\ It also provides two audio recordings, one for /ɪsˈlɑːm/ and one for...

 
3:21 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ah ok feng shui "should be" pronounced as "fung shway" ? right?
 
@Amitd yes, approximately.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 is there a reason why it is written differently?
 
@Amitd because it's following a particular romanization scheme
 
@Amitd because it isn't written in English. It's written in Chinese romanization
There have been many systems devised for spelling Chinese words using the latin (roman) alphabet.
The most popular these days is Hanyu Pinyin.
 
ah ok..
 
3:23 PM
It has some odd (for English speakers) rules.
example: "c" in pinyin is pronounced "ts"
 
what is chinese simplified?
 
@Amitd something else. It's a different way of writing Chinese characters.
 
There isn't even a way to approximate how "Pinyin" is pronounced in Russian.
 
@RegDwigнt funny, because it was Russian linguists who made pinyin with the Chinese.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ah ok sry
 
3:24 PM
@Amitd can you see the chinese characters in this chat?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yes, that's the point, and then the English came along and couldn't even spell "pinyin" right.
 
i can
 
Traditional character for horse: 馬 Simplified version: 马
That is an example of how they've simplified the writing.
 
@MattЭллен God will strike you down for that. Not for whispering your blasphemies, but for admitting it out loud.
 
@RegDwigнt "pinyin" is already spelled in pinyin.
 
3:27 PM
And by "simplifying", of course, they mean "complicating", because now everything has two ways of being written.
 
Well, except for the tone marks
 
@Mitch is that what happened this morning? I see
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ah now i get it. where is the "c" in pinyin?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah yeah.
 
Is simplified Chinese the official language of China?
 
3:28 PM
@Amitd Example: the vegetable commonly called "bok choy" here is called "bai cai" in Mandarin chinese. but the "c" in cai is pronounced like "ts". so "tsai" would be a more natural (for English readers) spelling
@badass Not the official language. The official writing system.
 
icic
 
@MattЭллен You fell over? Exactly.
 
@Mitch well God should watch out. First against the wall, I'm telling you.
 
Here's a circle that fell over: _
3
 
3:31 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I've never heard anyone say "fehng shoe-y".
 
@Mitch I have and some of them were even serious.
 
you obviously don't go to the right parties
 
I hear that all the time, though that's German.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 English reader/speakers should be used to pronouncing things not how they're written but how other people pronounce them
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They should lighten up.
 
3:36 PM
we need point system for chats lol
 
@Mitch There are rules for how to pronounce words in English. They do not cover all the cases, but 85-90% at least. "feng shui" doesn't fall into any category of rules for English that I'm aware of, unless you include Hanyu Pinyin as one of those categories.
 
@badass It's the official -writing- system of PRC; the traditional unsimplified system is used in Taiwan/ROC. The official language for both is Mandarin. The most common transcription in writing (attempting to be close to pronunciation) is pinyin but it's not an official transcription (except at say news agencies)
 
@Mitch Pinyin is the official romanization of the PRC. Taiwan has a different system for writing pronunciation.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 most of those rules are exceptions.
 
Also, Hong Kong uses neither simplified characters nor Mandarin.
 
3:38 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 which one uses bopomofo?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ?? really? what does it use?
 
@Mitch aren't all rules exceptions? "Do what you normaly do unless"
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Could you proofread a very very short text for me?
 
Thanks for the info :-)
 
3:39 PM
@Mitch Cantonese, and traditional chinese characters with extensions for Cantonese.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 for themselves for pronunciation, right? but for outside, they don't use pinyin too?
@MattЭллен The exception proves the rule.
 
@Gigili I don't really have time right now, maybe in a couple hours
@Mitch They have a mishmash of romanizations.
There are a large number of romanization systems used in Taiwan (officially the Republic of China). The first Chinese language romanization system in Taiwan— Pe̍h-ōe-jī, was developed first by Presbyterian missionaries and promoted by the indigenous Presbyterian Churches since the 19th century. Pe̍h-ōe-jī is also the first written system of Taiwanese Hokkien, a similar system for Hakka was also developed at that time. During the period of Japanese rule, the promotion of roman writing systems was suppressed under the Dōka and Kōminka policy. After World War II, Taiwan was handed over from J...
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ?? Aren't street signs all in ...uh... what do they call the writing system? Not Kanji.
 
@Mitch I don't know about street-signs in HK. But if they're romanized it's not pinyin. Maybe Wade-Giles?
 
Wade-Giles in the water, children.
 
3:42 PM
or Jyutping. I don't really know much about it.
The Hong Kong Government Cantonese Romanisation (not an official name) is the more or less consistent way for romanising Cantonese proper nouns employed by the Hong Kong Government departments and many non-governmental organisations in Hong Kong. It is not known whether there are strict guidelines for the method circulating in the government, or the method has just established itself and become a common practice over time. The system has been widely used by the Hong Kong Government from the very early days of British rule, and has since gone through some changes between the two World Wa...
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh. I had changed back to not romanization but regular writing.
 
@Mitch oh. Yeah, the regular Chinese writing in HK is traditional Hanzi
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's OK, it's not that urgent.
 
that's the word...Hanzi, but that still sounds so...northern (even if it is used by all the southern languages)
 
@Mitch Yeah it's the Mandarin word. I don't know what it'd be in Cantonese.
I think the pronunciation is similar in Cantonese.
 
3:46 PM
btw Mandarin and Cantonese are they related?
 
@Amitd yes. They are both descendant languages from some earlier Chinese language. Like how Italian and Spanish are related.
 
easily understood by each person i guess?
Mandarin and Cantonese i mean
 
They are separate languages. Knowing one doesn't help you know the other.
Well, I mean, they're not mutually intelligible.
 
It does depend on your education level, right?
 
ah ok.. but share the same root?
 
3:57 PM
Like Latin...
...I'm just guessing :-)
!!wiki Latin
 
__NOTOC__ Latin (; Latin: , ; the noun lingua, "tongue" and "language", and the adjective latinus, latina and latinum in its three genders, "Latin") is an ancient Italic language originally spoken by the Italic Latins in Latium and Ancient Rome. Along with most European languages, it is a descendant of the ancient Proto-Indo-European language. Influenced by the Etruscan language and using the Greek Alphabet as a basis, it took form as what is recognizable as Latin in the Italian peninsula. Modern Romance languages are continuations of dialectal forms (vulgar Latin) of the language....
 
Hah. NOTOC. Can't remember when I last saw that. Ah the memories.
 
@badass No, it depends only on whether you know Mandarin or Cantonese or not.
 
@badass Not really. If you've never learned Italian, but speak Spanish and have studied Latin, you don't automatically know how to speak Italian or even understand it. You don't automatically know how to speak or understand Portuguese or French of any other Romance language. You might understand a few words or some simple sentences with cognate words.
@Amitd I think so.
 
And along the way you will likely gain a whole bunch of all-new false friends.
 
4:08 PM
Yeah.
 
I can only speak Mandarin, not any of the other dialects properly.
 
I can only speak Ananas.
 
But many of the older folks here know Hokkien as well.
 
Ah yes, that's the guy who wrote The Hobbit?
 
Some people mistakenly believe that because Mandarin and Cantonese both use Chinese characters for writing that they are actually the same language, just differnet dialects. In fact, it's way more complicated than that.
 
4:10 PM
btw do scripts for writing Mandarin or Cantonese different?
or same set of characters?
 
-1
A: What are the arguments behind the "literally"/"figuratively" usage divide? When should one use either word?

airaFuck you!!!! Literal.. figurative.. u can't u answer that.. bitches!!!!!! What the fuck!! Bullshit.

Hm.
I wonder if he did or did not like the answers.
 
The truth is that most Chinese "dialects" are full-blown languages with very poor support for transcribing what they say using Chinese characters. The Chinese character repertoire was optimized for writing Classical Chinese until about 1900, then it was optimized for writing Mandarin Chinese (in PRC, Taiwan, etc) and Cantonese (in HK).
 
Geezis
 
I might have to investigate.
 
@Amitd There are characters that are only used in Cantonese.
There are characters that are typically only used in Mandarin, except when people are writing a sort of "official" Cantonese that mimics Mandarin.
 
4:12 PM
Wow, Mr Shiny knows a lot about the dialects!
I never studied any of this shit in school.
 
On the plus side, your school didn't teach you shit.
 
Are you a walrus now?
 
Hm. Actually that's ambiguous.
 
Yes, it is.
 
@JasperLoy I've been a walrus for all of the day, and before that. Y u no pay attention? He's a nice guy.
Nov 17 at 16:10, by RegDwigнt
Attention is the worst paid person in this room.
 
4:14 PM
@RegDwigнt Y U no pay attention sounds very much like the local variant of English here.
 
SE variant lol
 
I just realised that Marina anagrams to Armani, amazing.
 
Amazing anagrams to Mzianga.
 
I dunno what Mzianga is.
 
I guess you should ask Mzianga herself.
 
4:18 PM
Have you finally watched Sommersturm?
 
Nope.
 
Ah, good stuff.
Best gay movie ever.
Hi @KitFox
 
Hi.
 
4:54 PM
Hello.
 
5:17 PM
@Mitch Oooh I fell for it, you bastard!
 
6:08 PM
No worries. I promise that we'll do things different next time. When you're visiting here, we'll let the guests pay for everything.
 
6:20 PM
Yay!
 
6:47 PM
@RegDwigнt He's saying what we're all thinking!
 

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