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12:00 AM
Stupid web.
I guess that “I should have done something else.” has no condition in it, so that must be why they do not call it that. Maybe.
It’s a modal perfect, with obligation.
Usually.
> If only you would have told me!
Although I like the simple version better.
> If only you had told me!
 
So I found out where our Harvard Classics came from—my mother inherited them from her grandmother.
 
I am not fond of would in that way.
Wow.
Oh nice for you.
 
And I recently re-discovered "The Complete Illustrated Works of Lewis Carroll", hardback.
 
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@Mahnax Ah, Lewis Carroll was on this site!
 
@JasonBourne I had almost forgotten him, hehe.
 
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12:05 AM
@Mahnax Why was he suspended?
 
@JasonBourne I don't remember.
 
@JasonBourne Because it correlates with age.
And there are only so many of us ancients amongst you.
 
I cannot have that badge, for I have not answered 100 questions yet.
 
12:08 AM
There is that.
 
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@Mahnax Ah yes.
 
Only 88.
 
user19161
One must also have answered enough questions and voted enough in general.
 
Most of my votes are of the down variety.
 
user19161
But you have too many downvotes!
 
12:10 AM
65.2272% of them, in fact!
 
user19161
Bad Mahnax.
 
@Mahnax Answer me these questions twelve ere a silver badge you’ll shelve.
 
I should specify: I am not including votes to close in that calculation, only up/down votes.
@tchrist Answer me these questions three ere the other side he see.
 
He’s clearly sportier than thou.
Only three questions.
 
So if I answer his three questions, I die? Darn.
 
12:13 AM
No, you shall die in any event, will you or nill you answer those questions.
 
Thanks, tchrist. That was just the pick-me-up that I needed!
I am only joking, of course.
 
I just wanted to insert random archaicims willy-nilly into the chat.
 
But "it is nothing to die. It is frightful not to live."
 
It is not easy to rhyme twelve. The only other common word is delve.
Because helve, selve, whelve, and yelve are not common words.
Although you could rhyme your twelves with your elves.
And then you get selves too. I almost won’t mention pelves.
wanders off into the house
 
Haha.
Alright, I'm off to dine with a friend. Later!
 
12:53 AM
@Cerberus Israel is within the very large circle I'd put Mordor in, too. Although The Shire is said to be about 1 100 miles from Mount Doom as the crow flies, the problem is knowing where The Shire is.
@tchrist I'd rhyme it with oranges.
 
@MετάEd Where could it be but in England?
 
Is it permissible to spell things the british way in the US? Like "rumour"
 
Of course.
The Spelling Police is never around when the time comes to arrest you.
 
Some would say otherwise.
You’re safer to use Canadian spelling. :)
@CCInc The main question that needs answering is spell what document for which publication?
Virtually all publishers have a house style that you SHALL follow if you expect them to publish your work. Sometimes you can weasel around them, but usually you cannot.
 
Well, just common-day
Not necessarily publishable
 
1:05 AM
But what you do in the privvacy (that would be the British pronuncification :) of your home is between you and your Maker.
If you aren’t publishing, who cares how you spell things?
 
Umm.....
I guess nobody
 
I spell things as I please, and no one has thrown me into the stocks.
 
Not even I?
 
But it is very hard to get non-American and non-Canadian spellings published.
 
God knows I have tried.
 
1:07 AM
I’m not soup yet.
 
I would have thunk British spelling held higher prestige, and would be appreciated coming from an Englishman in America.
 
No.
 
@Cerberus Southern Scandinavia, for one. France, for another. The Grey Havens, though, I would put on the British Isles.
 
British spelling is low prestige.
 
But that's idiosyncratic of me.
 
1:08 AM
You are perpetually ridiculed.
And I am not kidding.
 
We would certainly not change Flemish spelling in a Dutch newspaper. It would appear rude. On the contrary, Flemish is quaint in a good way.
 
I just get tired of the cucking stool, you know?
 
@Cerberus We would spell that Phegmish.
 
No American newspaper is ever and under any circumstances permitted to publish anything that is spelled in an anti-American way.
They are the absolute worst.
These are the doults who gave us glamor. [conserving u’s there, you see]
 
@MετάEd The Grey Havens I would put in Ireland. But Hobbits, come on! They are as English as English can be, with their mathoms and pipes and stubbornness.
@tchrist What I know of your culture suggests otherwise...
 
1:10 AM
They really do slap you upside the head for daring to use grey, as though it were unAmerican. I hate it.
 
Newspapers notwithstanding.
 
British spelling is considered an affectation.
The thing is, people misunderstand what British spelling even is.
 
I personally don't have a huge problem with color and analyze.
@tchrist For a non-American? That is...odd.
 
@Cerberus I don't know that Tolkien tried to place his characters where they would be recognizable 3 000 years later. To the contrary, he was clear that the world has changed completely since then.
 
You will find that manœuvre belongs in the same quaint category as gaol. It is not to be seen. Not permitted to be seen.
 
1:13 AM
@Cerberus Basically you have climate to go by, and maybe the continental shelf.
 
And if you spell it furore, people will simply assume you are a careless idiot.
 
@MετάEd Yeah, and the fall of Melkor is not Biblical, just as Atalantë is entirely unrelated to Atlantis...
 
Likewise with skilful and instalment.
 
@tchrist I think you are exaggerating, but wevs.
 
They mostly have never seen these spellings.
 
1:14 AM
@MετάEd For locating the Shire, you mean?
 
And their Microsoft Word tells them they are wrong.
 
@Cerberus Tolkien and Lewis both drew very heavily on Biblical myth, though they elaborated quite a bit on it.
 
So they acquiesce.
 
@Cerberus Yes. Apparently Tolkien tried to be pretty realistic about climate and distance.
 
You cannot fight Microsoft.
And moons.
 
1:15 AM
@MετάEd Did Tolkien elaborate on his references to Christian mythology?
 
I haven't looked into it much myself.
 
He for the most part never elaborated on his references to anything whatsoever.
He said it was not his place to do so.
 
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How do I prevent people from reading my letters that I did not intend to?
 
@Cerberus I can't remember whether it was Tolkien or Lewis who basically said the same archetypal myths come up everywhere, though (and I suppose this makes it Lewis) the Christian myths were the most clear and complete expression of reality.
 
Sounds like Lewis.
 
1:17 AM
So it isn't so much that they patterned on Christianity only, but that they considered existing myths when they did their own mythmaking.
 
@CCInc Burn them. Scatter the ashes.
You’ll find that people have been cremated read very few letters.
 
@CCInc Write them in Linear A.
 
Good luck with that.
 
cc/google linear a
 
1:17 AM
@tchrist That is what I would expect of him.
 
Haha the thing is somebody does have to read them.
 
@MετάEd Probably Lewis, since he is the more flagrant Christian...
 
Even readers who resist the impulse to allegorize Tolkien’s works, however, may still be tempted to treat them as a different kind of puzzle. Tolkien was a scholar of great learning and an ardent admirer of stories from many different countries, traditions, and time periods. His own works are very rich, and they contain many elements that are inspired by or even modelled on many of those works. Many readers and scholars, therefore, find the attempt to sort out and identify the complex web of Tolkien’s source materials a very entertaining and attractive one.
 
@CCInc Oh, why did you say so? Sheesh.
 
"..."
 
1:20 AM
The question is: Having noticed a connection like this, what do we do with it? Smaug is not the same dragon as his Anglo-Saxon counterpart, and his relationships with the town that he destroys and the people he attacks are quite different. If we simply combine the two in our minds, we will be shutting our eyes to many of the points that make Smaug such an interesting and important character. And what would one gain by taking the respectable and honest Burglar Bilbo with his conflicted relationship with the dwarves’ quest and their treasure and simply equating him with the thief from Beowulf
 
Fine, I will write my letter the boring hackable way.
 
@tchrist This is exactly like Tolkien, yes. The simplifications mentioned, however, sound unrealistic. Who would ever be so crude?
 
People wanted the One to be the Bomb, too. People are simple. Facile, even.
 
@tchrist The first paragraph is a bit of an intertextualist platitude.
 
1:23 AM
I didn’t write it.
 
As to Tolkien's attitude, this too is a bit Christian.
Knowledge undermines value.
 
@tchrist You mean the One Ring?
 
We must not attempt to understand the sublime, nor good and evil.
While a true rationalist considers understanding and imagination compatible.
But then how many rationalists are great artists?
 
@tchrist Yes, I think this is quite true of his narrative. He drew from various sources and made a story which was his own. But he was clear that Middle-Earth is to be taken as the Old World as it was ages ago, and he was careful about distances, times, geography, etc. This is so plain that it has inspired various attempts to reconcile Middle Earth to Europe. With good reason.
 
1:32 AM
The original Norse mythology fan-fiction
so the dumb allegory is what? hobbits = poor country English folk, men = the english in general, dwarves = Welsh, elves = Americans, orcs et al. = Nazis?
 
@Mitch I think the point is that you can find those types in any age.
Not that he intended a particular one-to-one mapping of that kind.
 
wizards are elves, right?
 
1:48 AM
@MετάEd Yes, I always understood his tales to be about pre-Mediaeval Europe. They would attach to known history somewhere in the dark ages.
I cannot reconcile them with classical Antiquity in any way.
Which makes sense, because the discontinuity of the dark ages is great.
@Mitch Nope.
They are Maiar, lower divine beings.
Lower than the Valar. But equally old.
At least, that is if we assume Tolkien to be consistent.
Ack.
Do you get an error too when you go to the main site?
 
@Cerberus No, more like 3 000 years ago.
 
@MετάEd But all the Old English...
Feudalism...
 
@Cerberus Sorry, more like 6 000 years before now.
 
That wouldn't fit.
 
@Cerberus He was a linguist. It made sense to him to invent languages which could actually have been the historical antecedents of today's.
 
1:57 AM
I see continuity with Mediaeval culture.
@MετάEd Yes, but 1500 years ago, not 6000.
 
Hmm.
How very Biblical.
Apparenly I know him better than he did himself!
The memories of great empires of the past, the inglorious remnants of which are trying to cling to what they have been able to save...
 
@Cerberus Not really. Didn't Usher put creation at 6 000 BC?
 
All this breathes dark ages.
 
And for Tolkien that was just the end of the Third Age.
 
2:00 AM
@MετάEd Usher?
Is that a dwarf or something?
 
The Bishop of that name. Or about that name.
 
I remember no Usher, but it is possible.
 
James Ussher (sometimes spelled Usher, 4 January 1581 – 21 March 1656) was Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland between 1625 and 1656. He was a prolific scholar, who most famously published a chronology that purported to establish the time and date of the creation as the night preceding Sunday, 23 October 4004 BC, according to the proleptic Julian calendar. Education Ussher was born in Dublin, Ireland, into a well-to-do Anglo-Irish family. His maternal grandfather, James Stanihurst, had been speaker of the Irish parliament, and his father Arnold Ussher w...
 
Ah.
 
See I always get my millennia screwed up. Ussher put creation at about 6 000 years ago.
 
2:02 AM
Isn't this the date most modern literalist Christians stick to?
 
Which is about the end of Tolkien's Third Age. So Tolkien's world is much older than Ussher's.
@Cerberus Yes.
 
4000 years BC is around when history began.
 
They go by the genealogies and other dated information in the Bible.
 
@MετάEd Still Biblical!
Tolkien's 6000 is no coincidence.
 
@Cerberus Oh, there are many things about the Tolkien mythology which are biblical. But he would probably have said that there are many things that the Tolkien mythology and the biblical mythology have in common, and have in common with other myths.
 
2:04 AM
But do you feel that Tolkien's end of the Third Age bears any resemblance culturally to the earliest Sumerian and Egyptian cities?
Of course the further you go back, the less we know, and the fewer glaring inconsistencies there would be if you wanted to patch together his Eras and our history / known past.
 
@Cerberus I don't think he was trying to be scientifically accurate. He was essentially writing a creation myth plus a whole lot of historical explication. He's written the equivalent of the Christian Bible.
 
Of course.
 
2:41 AM
@Cerberus The OE was a target translation language, just as ModE was. It was not supposed to be the source language.
 
How do you mean translation?
All of it breathes Old England.
 
2:56 AM
Westu hal.
 
Good evening.
 
good evening
So as a rough estimate, if I wanted to sort my entire lego collection by part and colour into different boxes, I'd need at least 3600 boxes.
(some of those boxes would have only one element, some hundreds)
 
3:12 AM
Wow. If I wanted to sort my Lego collection, I would not have to do anything.
 
you're either very well sorted or not very legoy.
 
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Next up, how to speak English if you don’t speak English.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I do not collect lego. In fact, I have none at all.
 
@Mahnax :) I gathered.
You should get some. Maybe Mindstorms, if you are into programming or robotics.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They are not so much my thing, sadly. I would much rather spend the money on books instead.
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3:22 AM
@Mahnax There are books about lego
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm sure there are, but there are others I'd rather have first :-)
 
Ah. A nice little glass of rakı and water. Don’t know the Turkish word for digestiv.
@Cerberus Incidentally, Númenor is plainly a re-mythologizing of Atlantis.
 
@MετάEd A very very very great deal of the whole thing falls under the banner: that was something of the point.
 
3:40 AM
@MετάEd Absolutely.
 
@tchrist I think he means Chapelle's Show.
"Old mo'fuckah was Russian him."
 
4:01 AM
Middle-earth is the fictional universe setting of the majority of author J. R. R. Tolkien's fantasy writings. The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings take place entirely in Middle-earth, as does much of The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales. Properly, Middle-earth is the central continent of the imagined world, not a name of the entire world. Tolkien prepared several maps of Middle-earth and of the regions of Middle-earth where his stories took place. Some were published in his lifetime, though some of the earliest maps were not published until after his death. The main maps were those p...
Why is that airplane there?
Oh. That's just woefully bad.
If they are going to have "smart" expansion of Wikipedia pages they should not let it be "dumb".
 
@MετάEd A great example. I will post this on the appropriate SO Meta question.
> If Hobbiton and Rivendell are taken (as intended) to be at about the latitude of Oxford, then Minas Tirith, 600 miles south, is at about the latitude of Florence. The Mouths of Anduin and the ancient city of Pelargir are at about the latitude of ancient Troy."[24]

He did confirm, however, that the Shire, the land of his Hobbit heroes, was based on England:

"'The Shire' is based on rural England and not any other country in the world..."
This "however" is odd.
But the quotation confirms what is evident from the books.
@MετάEd Not bad. But Esgaroth would be built on ice.
 
@Cerberus It's not odd at all. He is saying The Shire is not based geographically on England; however, it is based on it in character.
 
He does mention any negative geography.
I don't see the antithesis.
 
@Cerberus I don't understand this sentence.
 
> The Shire is not based geographically on England
This is negative.
I see no negative sentence in the first paragraph quoted.
Instead of "however", I would have used "indeed", or "similarly" or whatever.
> Hobbiton and Rivendell are taken (as intended) to be at about the latitude of Oxford
This seems to match perfectly with what he says about the Shire.
 
4:14 AM
@Cerberus No, the "however" refers back to everything else said above it in that section. The point is made and stressed that he did not match his geography to that of the known world.
 
@MετάEd It should refer back to the quotation above it. It suggests an antithesis that is more local. The antithesis between "the landscape does not match Europe" and "the culture of northern Eriador matches that of England" is not stressed anywhere near this "however".
This is in the first triple-quotation:
> though the Shire, for instance, is expressly stated to have been in this region...
I don't understand why you defend this "however", but—whatever.
Yes, "whatever" would have been a better fit.
 
4:47 AM
@Cerberus I do not defend "however", but "indeed" or "similarly" would be completely out of place. They have the opposite of the intended meaning.
 
@MετάEd Opposite ≠ antithesis?
But never mind.
 
@Cerberus What?
 
@MετάEd Nice.
It's bed time.
 
@Cerberus I really do not understand what you have been saying, then. You seemed to be saying "however" ought to be replaced by "indeed" or "similarly".
Why, I do not know.
 
I leave you to ponder Wikipedia and the important things, which we all agree on, by yourself.
Good night!
 
4:54 AM
Nighty night.
 
poof
 
@Cerberus Flights of balrogs singe thee to thy rest. (Hamlet, Act V, Scene ii)
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@MετάEd Lovely.
@MετάEd Land-based herds of massive Balrogs drumme thee to rest.
 
@Cerberus bows
 
POOF
 
4:59 AM
@Cerberus There is no Κέρβερος without Care Bears.
 
Hullo.
Any interesting apps you have installed on your phone @Cerberus?
Oh umm, you left.
 
Sadly, yes.
I was hoping for three POOFs.
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For the obvious reason.
 
 
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7:57 AM
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8:28 AM
And ... we're back.
 
 
2 hours later…
10:17 AM
Morning.
 
Hi Cerberus.
 
OMG, you too?
So many angles.
So much equilinearity.
So many colours!
North Korea has about 200,000 prisoners in terrible prisoner camps.
> Veel gevangenen in de kampen worden er geslagen, gemarteld of geëxecuteerd en niemand heeft er ooit genoeg te eten. Wie tijdens de werkdagen van 12 tot 15 uur per dag zijn productiequotum niet haalt, verdwijnt vaak langere tijd in een cel, die zo klein is dat je er niet rechtop in kunt staan of kunt zitten.
"Many prisoners are beaten, tortured, or executed, and none ever get enough to eat."
"Work-days are about 12 to 15 hours. Whoever fails to attain his production quota is locked up for a long time in cells that are too low to stand up, and too small to sit down."
 
I often feel apprehensive about believing everything I hear about North Korea. Why would they be so inept?
 
Now that is some advanced Asian torture.
@MattЭллен Personal gain?
These prisoners are mostly political prisoners (so people who have voiced their discontent).
 
I suppose, but do all the citizens have that syndrome where you start to think of your captors as friends?
 
10:30 AM
Heh.
Some may.
Also due to relentless propaganda.
 
I think you misunderstand. If you don't think of your captors as friends, you get locked up.
 
it just seems ridiculously short sighted of the regime
 
So anyone who's still not locked up thinks of their captors as friends by definition.
 
I think you misunderstand. If you're locked up, what higher honour could you possibly receive from your benevolent captors?
 
Being locked up with a medal. DUH.
 
10:32 AM
That sounds...complicated.
And what happened to your colours?
Stepped out into the rain before your make-up had had a chance to properly dry up?
 
all the green is gone
 
I see a task for you.
 
I didn't want to be a stupid square.
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Does anyone own GN?
 
Google do
 
10:36 AM
Who is GN?
 
German Nebelung
 
Sorry, I only own Croatian Nibelungs.
They share an abbreviation with the Cartoon Network, too.
 
Haha, funny funny.
I can't stop laughing.
Only stupid people own GN with the exception of me and someone else.
Well, I stopped talking to @DavidWallace, then @Cerberus stopped talking to me. As if I care.
 
When did you ever stop talking to me?
 
You ask me? Better to ask your close friend.
 
10:45 AM
Gigili, I thought we agreed we weren't going to be like this with each other?
 
@Reg where you thought trend setter I thought cult leader.
I then found this humorous definition of cult:
 
Trend setter is a hypernym of cult leader.
 
> Cult. An organized group of people, religious or not, with whom you disagree. [Rawson]
 
Where's the humour? It's very dry and concise.
 
I found it funny that disagreement is part of the definition
 
10:55 AM
Whoosh.
And I made a joke saying it is part of the definition.
 
well if you will be sarcastic quite so early
 
More green coffee for Matt.
 
I guess that Evan fellow, who ran for mod, must have thought we were a cult.
 
He didn't disagree with us, though. He even converted to communism following my example.
In fact a vote for Evan was a vote for everyone.
 

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