English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mitch

13:00

@Noah I know! Turtles don't smile or wave.

Noah

@tchrist things that actually exist in the real world

Cerberus

@KitFox No?

tchrist

watches Noah circle in on a circular nondefinition

Noah

@Mitch and they are not golden either

Mitch

good eyes

Noah

13:01

@tchrist that is not a word

KitFox

@Cerberus Well, they are rare but they do come that way sometimes.

Mitch

that is too. a word that is.

RegDwight АΑA

KitFox

We don't cook them over here though.

tchrist

Painted turtle

C. p. marginataC. p. picta | synonyms = * Testudo pictaSchneider, 1783 * Chrysemys cinereaBonnaterre, 1789 * Emys belliiGray, 1831 * Emys oregoniensisHarlan, 1837 * Chrysemys pictaGray, 1856 * Chrysemys marginataAgassiz, 1857 * Chrysemys dorsalisAgassiz, 1857 * Chrysemys nuttalliAgassiz, 1857 * Chrysemys pulchraGray, 1873 * Chrysemys trealeaseiHurter, 1911 ; Chrysemys picta picta * Testudo picta Schneider, 1783 * Testudo cinerea Bonnaterre, 1789 * Emys cinerea Schweigger, 1812 * Emys picta Schweigger, 1812 * Clemmys picta Wagler, 1830 * Terrapene picta Bonaparte, 1831...

You can paint them any color you fancy.

Mitch

13:02

@KitFox ...enough... ..cook them _enough...

Noah

this is you?

RegDwight АΑA

Can I paint them turtleoise?

Matt Эллен

►

tchrist

Matt Эллен

it's in a cartoon, so it must be true

Cerberus

13:03

@KitFox Wow, they're weird!

KitFox

Lobsters don't have pain receptors.

Nor do they have vocal chords.

Noah

@tchrist do you eat lobsters?

Cerberus

I guess cats can get boring.

Matt Эллен

that's some serious lobster

Noah

and so can human

@MattЭллен not more serious than you, dude

tchrist

13:05

Testudinarious chrysography: painting a turtle gold.

Cerberus

Yeah, the lobster got a new servant to carry it around.

tchrist

@Noah Asking someone whom they eat is nearly as personal as asking them whom they sleep with.

Noah

@tchrist it's not about whom, but rather what...

Mitch

@KitFox what? no way. How do you -know- that? (yeah, yeah, you probably actually do know that). are you saying they don't have pain sensors that are just like mammalian ones? or that they don't have -anything- that can possibly be a pain receptor?

tchrist

@Noah Animals are people, not whats.

Noah

13:06

@tchrist so you should probably never go to a resturant....

@tchrist to me they are whats... they are edible

RegDwight АΑA

tchrist

@Noah So are your immediate family members, the more beloved the better.

RegDwight АΑA

Jul 5 '11 at 19:11, by RegDwight

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-18473.html

Cerberus

@tchrist Graphô for colouring? sceptical look

tchrist

Sigh.

KitFox

13:07

@Mitch They don't have anything resembling pain receptors and they also don't produce substance P, which is a typical neurotransmitter for pain signals.

tchrist

It’s the writing on the wall.

Noah

@tchrist no, that's not true

@tchrist animals are animals... and humans are humans...

tchrist

loves the smell of youth burning in the morning

KitFox

@RegDwightАΑA That bunny could easily eat eight people.

tchrist

@Noah I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean.

KitFox

13:08

@tchrist Go easy on the kids.

He claims to be in college and everything.

tchrist

So you’re saying he’s educable? Good.

RegDwight АΑA

@KitFox could? Has.

KitFox

Yipes. Nice bunny.

Mitch

nice cute bunny

tchrist

casts a furtive look towards Reg to see where Tim is hiding

KitFox

13:09

♪ Soft bunny, warm bunny ♫ Great big ball of fur ♪ Sleepy bunny, happy bunny ♫ Don't eat me ♪

Mitch

no I don't think that rabbit get itself off the ground, or have the muscle control to more than nibble.

Noah

@tchrist they might mean something different once I am your age...

Mitch

@Noah oohh. snap?

@KitFox really, how do they wake up in the morning?

KitFox

@Mitch Well, it's not like they don't experience it.

tchrist

@Cerberus chryˈsography Gr. χρυσογραφία, writing in letters of gold.

KitFox

13:13

Wait, what?

Mitch

you're going to tell me that they don't sleep or that their digestion goes the other way.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch without being boiled alive, I guess

RegDwight АΑA

I have a dilemma. Why do some people use "dilemma" to mean not dilemma?

tchrist

Mene mene tekel terrapin

Mitch

@MattЭллен That is not an excuse in my book.

KitFox

13:14

@RegDwightАΑA Because they don't know what dilemma means.

Or they are trolling you.

Mitch

@RegDwightАΑA there are two ways to attack this problem and neither of them are any good.

Noah

@tchrist but I still can't get my head around the idea that animals and humans are the same....

RegDwight АΑA

@KitFox that raises the dilemma, why?

Mitch

Or they don't know what it means.

KitFox

@RegDwightАΑA Because it is fun to troll you?

Cerberus

13:14

@tchrist Yes, OK, writing.

RegDwight АΑA

@KitFox is that a rhetorical dilemma?

Matt Эллен

is the singular of dilemma unilemon?

Mitch

In that example they know what it means, they realy want to use the word, the execution just didn't work out.

KitFox

@Noah Have you had a biology class? We're not plants.

Noah

yea, but we are not animals either

KitFox

13:15

Yes, we are. Why do you think we're not?

Noah

we have got some similarities but we are not them

Mitch

@KitFox again, with the lack of reference to 'Quark' and Ficus.

RegDwight АΑA

@MattЭллен dilemma is a verb. A bastardization of "dial Emma" (presumably, Bunton).

tchrist

@Noah And the Lord spake unto Noah, and said that the world was divided into seven kingdoms: Hominidae, Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista, Archaea, et Bacteria.

KitFox

@MattЭллен Unilemming.

Mitch

13:16

@KitFox I'm not an animal. I'm a pretty butterfly. Hold on...are butterflies considered animals?

tchrist

You have no more right to eat a bunny than to eat your grandmother.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox because he's the last one after the rest jumped. poor guy :(

ΜετάEd

@Noah Who's been telling you those lies?

Matt Эллен

@tchrist lol. that's silly.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist also, not less.

Mitch

13:17

@tchrist Uh oh.

KitFox

He's a rabid vegetarian! Run for cover!

Oh wait.

tchrist

If you can snare her in a trap and skin her, she’s soup.

KitFox

Never mind.

Noah

Everyone says that...

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist that's seven, not six.

tchrist

13:17

After all, that’s what he do with alley rabbits, when we make catsup out of ’em.

ΜετάEd

You missed a big bad bit, or a great grand bit, or some such. See here. — tchrist 20 hours ago

Mitch

a rabbit vegtarian..will only eat rabbit food. if that includes your grandmother...

Matt Эллен

@tchrist the main difference is that a rabbit is prey, whereas Noah's grandmother is not.

ΜετάEd

@tchrist Not really.

Noah

@tchrist see, Hominidae

RegDwight АΑA

13:18

@ΜετάEd yeah someone go upvote that answer people!

tchrist

@MattЭллен I can fix that.

RegDwight АΑA

Seriously, it took us like a year to so much as mention vocative???

Mitch

@MattЭллен again with the not looking at grandmother first to check.

RegDwight АΑA

For shame.

Noah

Alright guys...

gotta go

RegDwight АΑA

13:19

Instead we have people labeling it "interjection", "exclamation", and whatnot.

Noah

see u

RegDwight АΑA

CU

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA A year ago I was still estivating.

ΜετάEd

@RegDwightАΑA The answer could use more about onomatopoeia. @tchrist's answer is quite interesting, but misses the question.

KitFox

WTF? Is he serious? When did I learn that people are animals? I don't even remember.

RegDwight АΑA

13:19

@tchrist but you're not the only one here who knows stuff about vocative.

tchrist

@KitFox Soylent Green

@RegDwightАΑA Perhaps the most vocal?

RegDwight АΑA

Mar 11 '11 at 19:55, by RegDwight

O God, I have no idea.

That's like seven months prior to the question.

Make that eight.

tchrist

You were here, Reg.

Mitch

113

Q: Did English ever have a formal version of "you"?

From the top of my head, Danish "de" (practically never used), German "Sie", French "vous", Spanish "usted" are a formal way of addressing someone, especially if one isn't familiar with the addressee. Did English ever have this? It sounds as though Proto-Indo-European might have had this (based o...

tchrist

And you didn’t answer.

Mitch

13:21

first instance of vocative.

by tchrist though.

tchrist

Oh and that one. Ick.

Mitch

only @tchrist seems to use it.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist I saw the question just the other day, and only thanks to your answer.

Mitch

so it must be his word.

tchrist

You’re welcome.

Cerberus

13:22

@Tchrist: I choose to read auto-endoscopy as reflexion.

tchrist

@Mitch I appear to have a surfeit of words; shall I lend you some?

Mitch

@KitFox That's crazy talk. people aren't animals. people -eat- animals, people don't eat people (unless its a special occasion). ergo...

KitFox

@Mitch I just can't get my head around that kind of ignorance.

Mitch

people are animals only on special occasions?

@KitFox actually...

tchrist

Kingdom:	Animalia
Phylum:	Chordata
Class:	Mammalia
Order:	Primates
Suborder:	Haplorrhini
Infraorder:	Simiiformes
Parvorder:	Catarrhini
Superfamily:	Hominoidea
Family:	Hominidae

Mitch

13:24

as far as informal meanings go...

tchrist

et semini ejus

ΜετάEd

@KitFox How old is Noah?

Mitch

(this is ELU afterall)

RegDwight АΑA

@ΜετάEd fair to say, but we can't have comments such as the one on your answer survive for a year without getting rebutted.

KitFox

@ΜετάEd Profile claims 15.

Mitch

13:24

animal does not include humans.

because ...

Luke

Go on...

Mitch

everything is different until you realize they are the same.

well...

or everything is the same until you find out they are different.

Luke

These elipsis are driving me crazy...

tchrist

Animal does not mean things you eat.

Nor even things you kill.

Mitch

@tchrist for you maybe.

KitFox

13:25

It is akin to having difficulty understanding that the earth goes around the sun.

tchrist

@Luke Ellipses are best used spaced . . . .

Mitch

@KitFox what?

KitFox

IMHO

Mitch

@tchrist gives them air to breath.

RegDwight АΑA

@KitFox Earth has no legs, dummy. It has turtles.

tchrist

13:26

looks under the turtles

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist it's turtles all the way down.

Matt Эллен

They're off to their Turtle Lookout again

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA If I’m the straight-man, what does that make you, O comedist?

Mitch

@tchrist again with the invasive turtle looking. I think Kit will come back and say that turtles have no shame receptors.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist a very good dilemma.

KitFox

13:27

I think @tchrist needs to respect the turtles' privacy.

Mitch

@Luke do you mean...

like...

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA I think you’re a coney-catering conundrum.

Mitch

this...

RegDwight АΑA

Aug 3 at 14:01, by RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin would like to have a word with you.

Mitch

....?

RegDwight АΑA

13:28

s/Robusto/tchrist/

tchrist

/g

RegDwight АΑA

One is enough.

/gi is for noobs.

tchrist

Usually Rob and I compete for dominating the stellar field. But he’s falling behind.

I have a GI who would like to talk to you about that.

KitFox

pfft Noobs.

Think they know everything.

tchrist

neophyta

RegDwight АΑA

13:30

@tchrist But he does that in his sleep. That's, like, Chuck-Norris–style.

tchrist

Like.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist leave your Demi Moore in the closet.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA chants That is not dead which can eternal lie, and in strange æons, even death may die.

ΜετάEd

@KitFox He's 15, and you can't get your head around that kind of ignorance? :-)

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist and yet, death will live on for way longer than people who spell æons thus.

Mitch

13:32

@ΜετάEd as idiotic as it is not to know these things (15 seems pretty old to not know)...

KitFox

@ΜετάEd I can't remember what it was like back then. Maybe I knew those things, maybe I didn't.

tchrist

Isn’t Reg just Ian in Russion?

Mitch

they hardly affect anybody.

tchrist

[sic]

RegDwight АΑA

[sic] [sic]

Matt Эллен

13:33

[sac]

RegDwight АΑA

May 11 '11 at 13:35, by Kosmonaut

I recommend just throwing [sic] in randomly when quoting one's enemies. Nobody will want to admit they don't know why it is there, and the damage is done.

tchrist

@MattЭллен I don’t like the way this is going.

RegDwight АΑA

3 mins ago, by tchrist

Like.

And that's an order.

Mitch

earth around sun or sun around earth? gravity affects the moon? (our catapults work how they work whatever the explanation) I can't see germs.

Matt Эллен

perhaps it's a bit of a cul-de-sac

RegDwight АΑA

13:33

@tchrist no Naughty America in this chat.

ΜετάEd

@KitFox At that age, I was told all kinds of stupid things that weren't true, but I believed them.

tchrist

I'll compromise: [soc].

Mitch

@ΜετάEd depends.

KitFox

shrugs I'm off to find coffee. Maybe a donut. Later.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist Soc is short for SoCal Co-Eds, which is Naughty America yet again.

tchrist

13:35

@ΜετάEd The Tooth Fairy is not banished, merely in remission.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox cu

ΜετάEd

@Mitch When I was 15, we didn't have those. Old folks had to use cotton diapers just like everybody else.

RegDwight АΑA

1

Q: What kind of -grams are QT, EZ, SKP, etc.?

Certain seemingly random combinations of letters can, when pronounced letter by letter, be used to represent words. For example, XLNC = Excellency QT = Cutie IDLE = Ideally I vaguely recall being informed of a term, possibly ending with -gram, used to describe such "words" and would appreciat...

single-word-requests terminology alphabet

Isn't this just textspeak?

Dupey.

5

Q: What is the term for neglectful spelling of words such as "you" as "u"?

The age of texting and instant messaging as we all know has created a phenomenon of using shorter versions of words to save on keystrokes. On tiny keypads or phone buttons this obviously can be a time saver. However, in a medium where these shortcuts are not expected (for example, this very Q&...

orthography terminology

tchrist

[𝚺𝜰𝞌]

Matt Эллен

Mitch

13:36

@ΜετάEd touche.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA I cud telya but udjist flagme.

Mitch

@ΜετάEd but what kinds of things were you told then that just ain't true?

tchrist

Yes, the question is open-ended, but I would precise that this unhelpful distinction persist in some exemplar of thoughtful conservatism informed by an acute literary sensibility. However I feel a sense of intellectual kinship when meet people that are able to think on this issue! — Xavier Vidal Hernández 28 mins ago

He’s getting . . . better.

Mitch

@tchrist like CR. but without the picture requests.

tchrist

None are like CR, except perhaps Victor.

Robusto

13:41

@Mitch Douché.

tchrist

looks desperately for the exit door from the locker room

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist It's a bingo! I only just realized where he gets his comments off of.

4

A: Quote of some advanced text?

I suggest you generate a fake postmodernism essay: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Mitch

@tchrist which Victor? (there are 20)

tchrist

@Mitch His Oxymoronicity Himself, Victor the Loser.

Matt Эллен

Sinchona and KitFox were the victors

tchrist

13:44

@RegDwightАΑA Where?

ΜετάEd

@Mitch At age 15? I was being told I was a creature of pure spirit that had taken a body so that later I could have my own planet.

RegDwight АΑA

@MattЭллен No, them was vixtresses.

@tchrist s/./:/, then read next line, kthxbai.

And yes, \.. I don't care.

tchrist

@Mitch Not to be confused with Victor the Looser, the Tighter, nor the Vanquished.

RegDwight АΑA

Victor the Seatbelt-Fastener.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA I don’t usually click on porno links.

Matt Эллен

13:46

Victor the constrictor

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist oh, another Unicode joke! How witty!

Mitch

@ΜετάEd OK... those kinds of ... things. Yes, those can be annoying when you find out they ....well, not that they don't work, but that...well, they work for some people.

tchrist

No, it’s this sucky font they make us use. Can’t tell porno from pomo from d’oro.

RegDwight АΑA

> In the works of Eco, a predominant concept is the distinction between figure and ground. Thus, any number of desituationisms concerning predialectic deconstruction may be found. Prinn holds that we have to choose between cultural Marxism and subpatriarchialist narrative. — Xavier Vidal Hernández 28 mins ago

tchrist

Oh my.

Salvatore has gotten into the Library again.

NURSE! He’s out of his bed again!

goes off to find a nurse

RegDwight АΑA

13:48

> If one examines nationalism, one is faced with a choice: either reject structuralist discourse or conclude that government is capable of significance. The subject is interpolated into a textual libertarianism that includes narrativity as a totality. Thus, if structuralist discourse holds, we have to choose between textual libertarianism and subconstructivist theory. — Xavier Vidal Hernández just now

Mitch

@RegDwightАΑA that would be genius..._if_ he ws really using that website. Otherwise...

hm...it doesn't seem to be 'otherwise'. it's not consistent with his other responses.

RegDwight АΑA

@Mitch otherwise he's a bigger genius still. Coming up with that stuff all by Eric Carmen.

Matt Эллен

9 secs ago, by Matt Эллен

> I am a banana

RegDwight АΑA

Jun 18 at 3:00, by Jasper Loy

I like bananas.

Matt Эллен

Jul 27 '11 at 14:06, by Matt Ellen

yay!

RegDwight АΑA

13:52

> In a sense, Sartre suggests the use of nationalism to read and modify language. The main theme of the works of Rushdie is a self-fulfilling paradox. Therefore, any number of dematerialisms concerning the paradigm, and some would say the dialectic, of subtextual class exist. Derrida uses the term ‘predialectic deconstruction’ to denote the difference between society and consciousness. — Xavier Vidal Hernández 28 mins ago

Hey @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 we had some images four ya. Starting here.

ΜετάEd

@Mitch They work for some people in the sense that those people can make a lot of money off the other people who fall for it.

Otherwise they tend to work against people.

KitFox

How did these astromechs get in my pocket?

ΜετάEd

@tchrist Just don't say anything nasty about the Hogfather.

KitFox

BTW, Spicy Sweet Chili Doritos are disgusting.

But there weren't any donuts.

Now I have nothing sweet to eat.

RegDwight АΑA

Cut them some slack, Spicy Disgusting Chili Doritos is a bit of a mouthful.

ΜετάEd

13:54

@RegDwightАΑA Oh, Christ. Doesn't that just make you want to deconstruct somebody?

Matt Эллен

@KitFox hmmm. I think you just want to keep the packet for yourself!

tchrist

@ΜετάEd 𐌰𐍄𐍄𐌰‿𐌿𐌽𐍃𐌰𐍂‿𐌸𐌿‿𐌹𐌽‿𐌷𐌹𐌼𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌼

KitFox

@MattЭллен Nah, I ate the whole thing already. But they were gross.

Matt Эллен

:O

ΜετάEd

@tchrist Time to pull out the big O again ... only for you.

RegDwight АΑA

13:55

@ΜετάEd I'm trolling in case you're not noticing. Pay attention to link targets.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightАΑA sweet!

tchrist

ΜετάEd

@RegDwightАΑA Links make me sneeze.

tchrist

Stealth comms rule.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist oh come on, I can barely ignore mine and now you show me yours.

tchrist

13:56

It’s like writing on the toilet walls that only the people you want to see it can see.

You deleted the bite me comment before I could read it.

But it is still in my inbox.

I thought they fixed that bug?

Matt Эллен

mite be

RegDwight АΑA

I think I'll comment on something of tchrist's.

> “Society is part of the futility of narrativity,” says Baudrillard; however, according to Pickett, it is not so much society that is part of the futility of narrativity, but rather the failure, and subsequent paradigm, of society. It could be said that the subject is interpolated into a cultural Marxism that includes art as a whole. Many discourses concerning predialectic deconstruction may be revealed. — RegDwight АΑA ♦ just now

tchrist

More word porn.

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