English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

2:00 AM

New stylesheet, then?

Mahnax

Then type chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/95/english-language-and-usage

user19161

@mah Your avatar is Python. You should be a Python developer in future.

Mahnax

You'll need to create a style.css file and save it in the folder that was created when you made the new extension.

Select it under New Stylesheet.

That's where all the code goes.

So to recap, change the access level and type in the URL of this room, leaving out the http://

tchrist

Did that.

Mahnax

Then select your style.css file under New Stylesheet.

tchrist

2:01 AM

The Stylesheets are not being nice to me.

Mahnax

No?

tchrist

The only have None.

Mahnax

Did you create a new .css file in the directory?

tchrist

Oh.

user19161

@Mahnax Perhaps the last block can be omitted.

Mahnax

2:02 AM

@JasperLoy I usually just use chat.stackexchange.com, actually.

Since this is the only room I frequent.

user19161

@Mahnax I save no history actually if you remember.

tchrist

Ok, done all that. Works now.

How does Reg save infinite history?

user19161

@tchrist Another variant. I use OK, others like okay, and you just used Ok.

Mahnax

Good good. Make sure you add !important to all of your lines in the CSS file, and then click Install.

Every time you change the CSS, you'll need to Reload the extension in EB.

tchrist

What does the not important mean?

user19161

2:03 AM

@rachel I see you have been vegetating in this room for days...

Mahnax

@tchrist It will override other CSS.

tchrist

"EB"?

Mahnax

Extension Builder.

user19161

@tchrist I thought he meant (important!) at first.

tchrist

Weird that !important means something oposite to what I should think.

Prefix "!" is programmerese for "not".

Mahnax

2:04 AM

So if the room already has a font-family defined, omitting the !important will not let you change the font.

tchrist

I bet ! is their comment character?

Oh, the Install and Build Package are greyed out.

Must be the cert thing.

Mahnax

@tchrist Yep.

That's pretty much all there is to it.

tchrist

I thought you said there was programming? :)

I don't see any loops or variables. :)

Mahnax

I guess CSS isn't really programming.

tchrist

I never thought of it that way, no.

Mahnax

2:07 AM

But you can add scripts, and then it's programming.

tchrist

It's not Turing-complete.

Yes, that's right.

Mahnax

I don't know how that works yet though.

I do know a bit of Javascript and all, but I'm not sure how it would all work.

cornbread ninja

bonk me if the discussion returns to type.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja When you learn Unix scripting and utilities, it will be nearly the same across all flavors. Not quite, but a lot.

user19161

@cornbreadninja You can gossip with me whatever topic.

tchrist

2:09 AM

@cornbreadninja I think I'm the only type freak around here.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist such as sed/awk/vi/vim?

@tchrist I'm working on it.

tchrist

Somebody chimed in yesterday, I forget who.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist I think MetaEd.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja Yes, but I was thinking sh scripts.

Well, or perl scripts.

I wouldn't bother with sed and awk anymore now that perl replaces them.

But I am biased.

Mahnax

But you're always thinking perl scripts, aren't you?

cornbread ninja

2:10 AM

I am intrigued.

tchrist

I'm always thinking in perl.

Mahnax

Right.

I think I like this font.

cornbread ninja

Now you're thinking with portals.

Mahnax

tchrist

You're using Alfios?

cornbread ninja

2:11 AM

@JasperLoy umm... hmm.

Mahnax

@tchrist Nah, something else.

user19161

@cornbreadninja So what do you want to talk about? Let's start a new topic.

tchrist

Oh.

Mahnax

I'll try Alfios.

tchrist

How does The five boxing wizards jump quickly look?

Mahnax

2:12 AM

Ooh, Alfios is great.

@cornbreadninja alt + 0133

cornbread ninja

or pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

@Mahnax sigh

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja Haha.

Just try it.

@tchrist For you it'll be alt + ;

cornbread ninja

I did

The pachyderms one is my favorite

Mahnax

Isn't it pretty?

tchrist

Huh?

cornbread ninja

2:14 AM

How does it go?

tchrist

 ĳ  0133        LATIN SMALL LIGATURE IJ
        * Dutch
        # 0069 006A

Mahnax

confused

cornbread ninja

Jelly-like above the high wire, six quaking pachyderms kept the extravaganza in a dizzying flux.

or something

tchrist

How is that pretty?

Mahnax

…

cornbread ninja

2:14 AM

You'd think I would know it, since it's my favorite. ._.

tchrist

The boxing wizards looks much better in Arno Pro, or even Alfios.

Mahnax

The ellipsis is alt + 0133, isn't it?

cornbread ninja

yes

for windas

tchrist

No.

user19161

Oh right, ellipsis is not the same as ... in terms of spacing.

tchrist

2:15 AM

It is
 …  2026        HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS
        = three dot leader
        x (vertical ellipsis - 22EE)
        x (presentation form for vertical horizontal ellipsis - FE19)
        # 002E 002E 002E

It's codepoint 2026.

Mahnax

Bah.

tchrist

If you have the Unicode input keyboard enable, then you type its codepoint as Option + 2026.

There may be a MacRoman shortcut. Let me check.

There is.

Mahnax

But if you're just on the regular keyboard and type alt + ;, you get the ellipsis. On Mac.

tchrist

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Oh.

That is what I was looking for.

…………

Mahnax

And on Windows it is alt + 1033.

tchrist

2:18 AM

That is what I meant about a better shortcut.

That's stupid.

cornbread ninja

♫♪ we don't need another mountain / there are mountains and hillsiiiiiides enough to climb ♫♪

tchrist

Code point 1033 is:
   ဳ  1033       MYANMAR VOWEL SIGN MON II

Mahnax

Haha.

cornbread ninja

°—°

Mahnax

switches to Dvorak

D.nnrw .k.pfrb.v

That went well.

cornbread ninja

2:19 AM

I might now be sober enough for calligraphy. Let's see.

user19161

I tried Chinese calligraphy in the past.

tchrist

𝑰 𝒎𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒏𝒐𝒘 𝒃𝒆 𝒔𝒐𝒃𝒆𝒓 𝒆𝒏𝒐𝒖𝒈𝒉 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒄𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒊𝒈𝒓𝒂𝒑𝒉𝒚. ‌𝑳𝒆𝒕’𝒔 𝒔𝒆𝒆.

And no one but @MᵃʰⁿAX can see it.

user19161

Wow you are really into type. You should invent your own font @tch.

tchrist

@JasperLoy Noted:

13 mins ago, by tchrist

@cornbreadninja I think I'm the only type freak around here.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist ._.

tchrist

2:24 AM

@Mahnax You should also try Arno Pro to see whether you like that.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist I see what you did there.

tchrist

Oh, I thought you meant the sober bit.

cornbread ninja

I just had the one drink, but I am small.

Mahnax

@tchrist Sure.

Not bad, but I liked Alfios more.

tchrist

Hm, Games Workshop has released the "official" Hobbit movie miniatures set. This has many more characters and situations than we were expecting to see.

Yes, that’s why I use Alfios for my slides.

Minion Pro is not bad, either.

It is by the same designer as Arno Pro.

Some people like Minion better than Arno.

My publisher was going to switch to Arno but settled on Minion instead.

Alfios isn't really suitable for full professional work because it only comes in one weight.

Well, for a full book I should say.

You need other weights for things like titles.

George Douros does make nice fonts.

Robert Slimbach is the Arno and Minion designer. He works for Adobe.

Mahnax

2:29 AM

Well, you kids have fun. I'm out of here for a bit.

user19161

@Mahnax Bye. KFC!

cornbread ninja

@tchrist not an O'Reilly?

tchrist

Yes, O’Reilly.

My last book is a bunch of fonts, mostly Birka with some Arno and others.

cornbread ninja

I thought every O'Reilly book had to be in The Offically Sanctioned O'Reilly Typeface.

Even the Head First series, but their own.

Grr, Head First Android.

tchrist

2:46 AM

@cornbreadninja It does.

If it can be.

Mine was the last one in their old Birka. Birka doesn't have more than ASCII and a few accented characters. We had to supplement, very heavily.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist :\

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My work is done.

For now.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist how did you do that?

Mitch

@cornbreadninja Jukebox. Earworm.

cornbread ninja

@Mitch yes

I wish that ink bottles were differently shaped. >_<

Mitch

3:07 AM

@cornbreadninja ?? than the klein bottle?

@cornbreadninja and your given name is superheroish except that it's already taken, it's kinda long, and WTF, what does it mean?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

what does any of this mean

tchrist

3:36 AM

@cornbreadninja I don't really understand the question.

cornbread ninja

3:46 AM

I'll go in reverse order for the hell of it.

@tchrist with what did you supplement Birka?

@Mitch it's a dumb story I will relate shortly.

@Mitch umm a Speedball bottle.

The story of my name:

Round these parts we have Boston Market, a chain of comfort food-type food.

Lots of meals come with a little cornbread.

It is tasty, but I always forget to ask for butter and can't finish it anyway, so I give it to Work Tim.

I've done this for years.

I usually slip into his cube and set it down inside of a napkin without him noticing.

tchrist

The cover font is Adobe ITC Garamond. The text font is Linotype Birka, the heading font is Myriad Pro, and the code font is Ubuntu Mono, with the following fonts used as fallbacks to display unsupported glyphs:

• Adobe Song Std
• Arno Pro
• Free Mono
• Free Serif
• ST Heiti SC
• Symbola

cornbread ninja

One day, he wasn't there. He was in a meeting. I tracked him down.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja Does that answer your question?

cornbread ninja

He had his back to the door, so I slipped in and set it down. Other people noticed, but not him.

jcao219

In vain have I struggled. It will not do. My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you.

cornbread ninja

3:49 AM

I said to him later, I'm a cornbread ninja!

@jcao219 well, okay.

jcao219

:)

cornbread ninja

@tchrist what a cornucopia.

@tchrist yes.

tchrist

I did say it was complicated.

That’s ten different fonts used.

I intentially did not use any RTL text, which would have required other fonts still.

Like Arabic or Hebrew.

Nor did I inject any Tengwar as I kept threatening. :)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja that's pretty stealthy of you.

tchrist

But I was certainly read to do so:

4 hours ago, by tchrist

That’s a mono, for use in programming and such.

Meaning it is a constant-width font.

I can’t believe someone made a Tengwar Mono.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:54 AM

@tchrist Tolkien must be rolling over in his grave

clearly all programming would be done using dwarvish runes. duh

cornbread ninja

@tchrist I don't know if you draw, but typecooker.com/# is fun.

tchrist

Cirth

The Cirth (; "Runes") are the letters of a semi-artificial script which was invented by J. R. R. Tolkien for the constructed languages he devised and used in his works. The initial C in Cirth is pronounced as a K, never as an S. The runic alphabet used by the Dwarves of Middle-earth was adapted by J.R.R. Tolkien from real-life runes. In The Hobbit, the Anglo-Saxon futhorc was used in the publication with few changes; in The Lord of the Rings a new system of runes, the Cirth, was devised. Since the Cirth is an alphabet, one rune generally stands for one sound (phoneme) and sounds that wo...

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