English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

9:07 PM

now I recall why I stopped using ICQ. Russian spim.

My workplace required me to start up my acct again and now someone is texting me in Russian

Robusto

9:18 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Всё это было бы смешно, когда бы не было так грустно.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto dammit, not you too!

Robusto

да

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch When I first looked at this picture I had a mouthful of coffee and it was nearly disastrous.

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Beware of keyboard.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy the last time I choke-spat a hot beverage (tea, with sugar) all over my keyboard was approximately 10 minutes after I had just finished cleaning said keyboard. I was NOT amused.

cornbread ninja

9:32 PM

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RegDwight АΑA

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Q: Is the phrase "The manager ordered the subordinate painted fence" correct?

Is the phrase The manager ordered the subordinate painted fence. correct? What about The UN mandated internationally deployed forces. The EU ordered internationally built accelerator. The authorities decided the cafe quickly closed

syntax

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Q: Is the phrase "Mussolini ordered the Italy invaded Albania." correct?

I sometimes encounter sentences like this Mussolini ordered the Italy invaded Albania. It seems incorrect to me but I want native speakers to prove. UPDATE. The sentence above is taken from Wikipedia. That's why it is unmodifyed. But what about "The manager ordered the subordinate painted fe...

verbs past-tense syntax proper-nouns

cornbread ninja

ugh, he made another question?

RegDwight АΑA

Another same question, no less.

cornbread ninja

He disturbed this groove.

Robusto

And harshed my mellow.

RegDwight АΑA

9:37 PM

Seriously, I can't even close it as dupe, have to go with NARQ.

user19161

He failed to disturb me. I am quite unshakable.

RegDwight АΑA

The manager ordered the subordinate painted fence.
The UN mandated internationally deployed forces.
The EU ordered internationally built accelerator.
The authorities decided the cafe quickly closed.

That's not even remotely the same sentence structure.

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA They all start with a capital letter and end with a full stop though.

RegDwight АΑA

It's basically a question about any sentence that has an -ed in it.

user19161

How is the progress of ELL? Has it died already?

RegDwight АΑA

9:42 PM

Why would it? Because you don't care?

Hint: it might not care right back at you.

user19161

No, because I am still thinking that it should be merged with ELU.

RegDwight АΑA

You want more "The authorities decided the cafe quickly closed" questions?

user19161

Will those fit on ELL and not be closed?

RegDwight АΑA

How can I know? It's not live yet.

Which coincidentally is also the reason why it can't be merged with ELU.

For it to get merged it has to exist first. Go support it!

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA Done already!

RegDwight АΑA

9:45 PM

Thank you!

But yeah. I guess ELL actually could work as a free for all.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightАΑA So once we have ELL, and Writers, and Linguistics, and Literature, what is left for ELU?

RegDwight АΑA

With the obvious exceptions of not constructive questions, or ones about, say, translation from Chinese to Russian.

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Nothing. QED.

RegDwight АΑA

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 the same questions we are having every day.

The ones that don't get closed.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightАΑA we HAVE those?

RegDwight АΑA

9:48 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 english.stackexchange.com/…

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm

RegDwight АΑA

It's not that bad, you know.

Now let's have a look at the closed ones, shall we.

english.stackexchange.com/…

user19161

Well, I hope that when questions get migrated there I will start with a decent amount of rep already.

RegDwight АΑA

Okay, that's a bit contaminated with dupes. Can't filter those out I guess.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

so twice as many open vs closed questions, approx, but presumably that is excluding deleted ones

RegDwight АΑA

9:55 PM

Well that isn't really saying anything. The deleted questions are just crap. Not our fault that we got them and had to get rid of them.

Also I used different search parameters for the two links (number of views).

We have like 17k questions in total I think.

2.7k and 5k+ don't add up to that.

I can pull up actual stats from SEDE.

Exact duplicate 1106
General reference 517
Off topic 334
Not a real question 269
Subjective and argumentative 192
Too localized 173

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

10:19 PM

so what are those totals: closed questions, deleted closed questions, or both?

RegDwight АΑA

Uh. Looking at the SQL, I've no idea.

data.stackexchange.com/english/query/76946/…

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

looks like that would include deleted questions

RegDwight АΑA

data.stackexchange.com/english/query/18018/…

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

right? since it isn't filtering on any kind of deleted criteria......

cornbread ninja

I wish I knew how close I am to Sportsmanship.

RegDwight АΑA

10:25 PM

This query is one strange beast.

Robusto

2591 questions total, according to my macro. Which is about 14% of all questions.

14.63%, to be more precise.

RegDwight АΑA

@cornbreadninja can't see that using SEDE because the votes are anonymized.

Robusto

Hmm, unless closed and/or deleted questions are removed from the question total on page 1.

cornbread ninja

@RegDwightАΑA That's what I hear.

RegDwight АΑA

But there's this, of course:

data.stackexchange.com/english/query/75345/…

cornbread ninja

10:29 PM

@RegDwightАΑA BTDT

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

wait... that other query, count of "closed but not deleted" ... how is it ignoring the deleted questions?

do deleted posts have a different postTypeId ?

cornbread ninja

wonders what her mutant army name would be, should she be given the honor... Jukebox? Non-sequitur?

@RegDwightАΑA 132 rows returned.

RegDwight АΑA

@cornbreadninja I know. You think I didn't run it with your ID?

cornbread ninja

70 when I use @Mahnax's

RegDwight АΑA

Them's not unique rows, though.

cornbread ninja

10:31 PM

@RegDwightАΑA 0_0

RegDwight АΑA

A row is a competing answer. If a question has OVER 9000 competing answers, it will return OVER 9000 rows for that question alone.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja Non Sequitur is taken, and is an honored title.

RegDwight АΑA

7 mins ago, by RegDwight АΑA

This query is one strange beast.

cornbread ninja

@Robusto searches transcript

Robusto

If you were a celibate, cloistered Catholic, you might be Nun Sequitur, but I don't think you want that.

cornbread ninja

10:33 PM

@Robusto I couldn't be further from that.

None Sexquitur?

Un Sequitur?

Eine Armbanduhr?

@RegDwightАΑA Watch out, buster.

RegDwight АΑA

Dolly Buster

Dolly Buster, official Nora Baumberger (born October 23, 1969 in Prague, Czechoslovakia as Nora Dvořáková), is a film producer and director, actress, author, and a former porn star. Buster has starred in hundreds of X-rated European movies, and had gained a name for herself as one of the biggest in the industry. She is also the author of a successful series of crime-novels about a German porn-star-turned-amateur-sleuth. In 2004 she attempted to obtain a seat in European parliament as candidate of a fringe Czech political party. The party got 0.71% of votes. She appeared in the German v...

cornbread ninja

10:35 PM

Einsturzende Neubauten.

Robusto

Actually, @cornbreadninja, I don't know you so well, so it's hard to come up with a super-hero name for you. What is your super power?

RegDwight АΑA

Zweisturzende Altbauten.

cornbread ninja

@Robusto knowledge of lyrics. Fellatio.

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto he already has a Ninja in his name, duh.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja Musst du @RegDwightАΑA immer unterstützen?

RegDwight АΑA

10:36 PM

@Robusto nicht immer, aber immer öfter.

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cornbread ninja

@Robusto um... Eine Kleine Nacht Musik.

RegDwight АΑA

@cornbreadninja who are you, Jasper?

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Das wirkt.

RegDwight АΑA

Jul 23 at 13:30, by Jasper Loy

Eine Kleine Nacht Musik.

Come on, this is really suspicious.

Two people misspelling it exactly the same way...

cornbread ninja

@RegDwightАΑA my German is lacking.

RegDwight АΑA

10:37 PM

You're blowing your cover, ninja.

Robusto

I think it's funny that he tells the dog to "platz" (sit). In American English (via Yiddish), platzed can mean "falling-down drunk."

@RegDwightАΑA Keine Kleine Nachtmusik?

RegDwight АΑA

Kleine keine Nachtmusik.

Kleine Flasche Nachtmusik.

cornbread ninja

22 secs ago, by cornbread ninja

@RegDwightАΑA Pretend I know how to quote like y'all and quoted myself listing 'fellatio' as a super power.

RegDwight АΑA

Robusto

Es gibt kein Wort für Tagmusik? tagmusik

cornbread ninja

10:39 PM

Blaupunkt.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Das ist groß, nicht Klein.

RegDwight АΑA

53 secs ago, by cornbread ninja

22 secs ago, by cornbread ninja

@RegDwightАΑA Pretend I know how to quote like y'all and quoted myself listing 'fellatio' as a super power.

There. FTFY.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja "You don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt. You need a curve ball."

cornbread ninja

@Robusto I need both!

Robusto

Food's here! Mahlzeit!

RegDwight АΑA

10:41 PM

Mal Dir Deine Zeit doch selber.

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Q: Does Friday night's Shabbat ceremony have to centre around a meal?

Is it necessary that the giving of thanks for Shabbat, including lighting of candles, blessings over bread, and the Kiddush need centre around the consumption of a 'main' meal? I ask for those occasions when it is not possible to perform these rituals as part of consuming a main Friday night mea...

shabbat

cornbread ninja

@RegDwightАΑA wait, there's a Friday night Shabbat too?

Because Shabbat begins at sundown?

Judaism is fascinating.

RegDwight АΑA

If I do nothing and like it, I try to do nothing as often as possible.

Certainly 29 Shabbaths a month is not too much to ask for.

tchrist

11:13 PM

 ·  = 

RegDwight АΑA

Well I'm at home now, so whatever.

tchrist

RegDwight АΑA

@Rob:

Apr 20 at 14:45, by Robusto

Also, what is "catfacing"?

Apr 20 at 14:46, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto waiting to become an officer and then kicking everyone who isn't.

tchrist

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RegDwight АΑA

Apr 20 at 14:46, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

The first guy to do that's name was catface.

tchrist

11:26 PM

Hey @Mahnax you wanna know sumfin funny?

Reg couldn’t read the unary math in  ·  = .

@RegDwightАΑA Ya knows, they’d try to eat your lunch over that if you asked whether it was “correct”.

I know they always try to chow on mine when I do.

Well, I don't ask. I assert.

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Q: Why "The authorities ordered the cafe quickly closed" is valid while "The UN ordered internationally deployed forces." is not?

Why the sentence "The authorities ordered the cafe quickly closed" is valid while "The UN ordered internationally deployed forces." is not?

syntax

Damn it.

I am really sick of this guy.

And I am sick of his !@#$% longassed question statements wedged into the title.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist actually I did just that, and bribed an actual linguist into answering to boot.

tchrist

Asked, or asserted?

RegDwight АΑA

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Q: Is "my wife and I's" correct, or should it be "my wife's and my"?

I just stumbled upon a Reddit post titled: My wife and I's seafood collaboration dinner. How does it look? Sure enough, the top comment immediately points out that it should be "my wife's and my". However, a cross-post to the Grammar subreddit produced the following comment: It's fine a...

possessive personal-pronouns apostrophe noun-phrases

Gah I hate these new titles. I want my original title back.

Mahnax

@tchrist Ohai.

@tchrist Yum, apples.

tchrist

Indeed.

RegDwight АΑA

11:37 PM

Looks like oranges to me.

tchrist

II * III = IIIIII in "unary" (base-1; tally sticks) notation.

RegDwight АΑA

Well thank you for explaining the only obvious thing.

tchrist

But $Bill poked Reg’s eyes out, forbidding him the fruit of Paradise.

Mahnax

Oh, $Bill. He's a silly one, alright.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist that would be a tomato.

tchrist

11:37 PM

I wasn't talking to you.

RegDwight АΑA

bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradeiser

user19161

@mahnax Boo!

RegDwight АΑA

WTF, no inlining love for Bayrisch???????

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Hello.

tchrist

I know Minga. That’s love.

RegDwight АΑA

11:40 PM

Heh, tchrist is losing it on the main site.

Whatever happened to the tother tcheek.

tchrist

It's this guy.

He keeps doing this.

There is no effort.

It's a gimme.

user19161

@Mahnax How is your holiday so far?

Mahnax

Heh, Syntactic confusion.

tchrist

Am I wrong? I mean, like, seriously?

Mahnax

@JasperLoy It isn't a holiday, really. Sure, I have no school, but I'm pretty much working full time.

@tchrist Not in the least.

user19161

11:42 PM

@Mahnax Good, good.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy And how are you doing?

user19161

@Mahnax Bad, bad.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy That's unfortunate.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist you are not wrong. But it's the Summer of Love. We are not supposed to be quarreling out in the open. We are supposed to be sweeping things under rugs.

user19161

@Mahnax I decided to switch back to original KFC from spicy.

tchrist

11:43 PM

I fixed his title, didn’t I?

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist of course it is. But at least we're not SO, where he'd comment right back "yea asshole im saying send me the code".

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Oh, why?

RegDwight АΑA

(That's an actual comment off of SO, BTW. More fun on the blog.)

Blog - Stack Exchange: The Hunting of the Snark

Joel Spolsky on July 31, 2012

You can’t fix what you can’t measure, so the first thing we did as a part of our Summer of Love campaign was try to measure friendliness in an objective and repeatable way. We gathered 7000 comments from Stack Overflow and submitted them to Mechanical Turk. For each comment, we asked 20 people to rate the comment as Friendly, Unfriendly, or “Neutral/Unclear.”

There are different ways of massaging the data, but I do want to give you a flavor for the kind of comments we’re talking about when we’re talking about unfriendly comments. Here is a snapshot of the com …

user19161

@Mahnax It's still better I think. And I get stomach upset with the spicy one.

Jez

wow, my Q got +24

RegDwight АΑA

11:44 PM

Multicolliders galore.

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA The word love is overused.

Jez

even though someone early voted to close it :-)

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA That would of course be unacceptable on ELU.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy I see. Well, whichever floats your boat.

@RegDwightАΑA Hear, hear.

tchrist

The Apostrophic Jihad would gnaw mightily upon his ass.

user19161

11:44 PM

@Jez Good, good.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist indeed. On ELU, it'd have to read, "yea im saying send me the code, dick".

tchrist

ducks

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA Ducks like dicks.

Jez

ah, and it's at the top of the multicollider too

RegDwight АΑA

If it ducks like a duck, but nobody is around, does the tree fall?

Jez

11:46 PM

lol

that explains things

Mahnax

@Jez Nice.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA Only the salty ducks limp when they fly.

In which case, they fly into the tree.

RegDwight АΑA

Hm. I thought its being on the MultiCollider was the reason we mentioned it was on the MultiCollider. But I'm glad to see people discover things all by themselves.

@tchrist honey let me be your salted duck.

tchrist

@Mahnax That’s all he keeps posting. And we keep closing. He isn’t learning.

Well, or we aren’t.

@RegDwightАΑA Purdy sure you got wifmanly duties that would preclude such a thing.

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA No flirting in this chat.

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