English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room - 2012-06-05 (page 2 of 4)

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1:00 PM

@Vitaly No idea what P&P is. It is an interesting case. I would say it is a predicative adjective (I believe that is what this is usually called). If you try to use a noun in a similar construction, you fail: *she went clothing, *she went conquest. If you replace it with a predicative adjective, it fits in nicely: she went first, she went berserk, she went wild. So I think that is the best label.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Anyway, just for info, it neither appears in ODE nor MWC.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Haha, now someone's voting to reopen again.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That was me.

please reopen.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

On the grounds of?..

it is used quite often.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

1:01 PM

Indeed it is.

@Barrie I come across it fairly often in my neck of the woods. (And by "my neck of the woods" I mean "the Internet".) So often, in fact, that I am very surprised to learn there's anyone not familiar with it. Oh, and it should be noted that the OP's quote is taken straight out of a dictionary. — RegDwight ΒВBẞ8 9 mins ago

Just because some people have never used it before doesn't mean it is not used.

ther's also a good answer.

(that nobody has offered yet.

ALso, this is exactly the case where we want to have a legitimate record of it's meaning.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I humbly direct you to the above comment of mine.

user19161

@Mitch In fact I would think it should be opened because it is not common. I'm surprised you think it is common.

and not rely on -wikitionary as a reference.

it is common in certain areas of technical speaking.

here's my answer:

The pattern

> X modulo Y

is an informal but common parlance in technical, especially mathematically, oriented talk. It is used to mean informally 'X, ignoring Y'. For example, "The rocket design was flawless, modulo the toxic waste produced by its fuel."

The meaning is inspired by, but not perfectly corresponding to, the arithmetic modulo function (for example, clock-time addition) which when suitably abstracted involves 'collapsing' all items of a set into the special items of the set, so that the full set does not need to be dealt with. (this is where the associated meaning of 'ignori…

If that's not good enough, I can make it better based on your suggestions.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well my suggestion is that you read the above comment of mine. :-)

1:04 PM

the existing answers and FF's comments are just speaking from lack of knowledge.

sorry...typing...on my way to reading your comment above.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Figured as much.

The OP took a sentence right out of the American Heritage Dictionary definition of modulo.

And is now asking what modulo means in that sentence.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 OK, you win.

user19161

But he may have heard it from the mouth of the person the AHD quoted.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@ClarkKent quick, can you reproduce the sentence?

Word-for-word, please.

OK ...I finaly read your comment (I was trying to read the full thread).

user19161

1:08 PM

There was once someone said someone plagiarised from Wikipedia, not realising that that someone could have written the Wikipedia.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Oh, and your answer is fine, of course. But so is the AHD definition.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 My, you have a big neck.

user19161

@Cerberus No flirting in chat.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 So some people understand it 'natively' (you and me) and some people don't, even given a definition. He gave the definition (so it's not gen ref, it is that definition that he doesn't understand, that's -the- time where ELU should come to the rescue.

tries not to

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

1:09 PM

@Mitch well as you should know by now, "closed" does not mean "killed for good". "Closed" means "pending improvement".

Sure the dictionary defintion is 'accurate' but the OP did due diligence, saw the reference definition and still needs an explanation -as I'm sure many people do given the poor existing answers and comments)

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

It can't stay open in its current form.

If the OP, or anyone else, goes to the trouble of fixing the question, I will gladly help in reopening.

user19161

@Mitch That is true.

Can you then be more specific about what you'd consider better form? (because the existing comments there don't give a good idea about what to change).

and if I go in and change it to fit my answer, that's sorta weird.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well, for starters, either take a different example, or be upfront about the source.

@Mitch but that's what I'm suggesting.

1:12 PM

OK. link to source.

and that's it?

user19161

OK let me fix it.

user19161

All of you wait.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Superman to the rescue.

user19161

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Q: Meaning of "modulo the fact"

I came across this sentence in the American Heritage Dictionary, but still do not understand it. This proposal is the best so far, modulo the fact that parts of it need modification. Please elaborate on the meaning of modulo the fact. Does it mean the same as the following? This prop...

user19161

Well, not much of a change. Just linking to the source in the question and asking for an elaboration since OP still does not understand.

1:19 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 How is that? Reopenable?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

It's a start.

I think we must include the dictionary definition.

It is obvious from the OP's rewording that his grasp of English is weak.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 OK let me add it.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

So in a way it's still ELU Lite.

"I read the words 'Correcting or adjusting for something, as by leaving something out of account', but I don't understand what they mean."

'modulo' is ELU Lite?

user19161

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Q: Meaning of "modulo the fact"

I came across this sentence in the American Heritage Dictionary, but still do not understand it. This proposal is the best so far, modulo the fact that parts of it need modification. The definition of modulo provided is correcting or adjusting for something, as by leaving something out of...

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

1:24 PM

@Mitch No. Reading a simple dictionary definition and not understanding it is ELU Lite.

the dictionary definition needs more explanation, to show the nuance/provenance/context.

user19161

I think there is nothing left to be added to the question.

user19161

It is finished.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well it's open. But please do me a favor and add to your answer that OP's rewording is indeed not a valid one as it has all kinds of issues.

Oh sure.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

1:26 PM

Or I guess one. If you replace "what" with "that" it's okay.

user19161

Also, OP should give me some presents for editing his question.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I do wonder if we have a question on what vs that.

I don't remember any such thing.

user19161

Hello @ravi! What brings you here?

which 'that' to 'what'?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

The what in "note what parts of it still need to be modified".

1:29 PM

Haha, Madonna compares Marine Le Pen with Hitler in her show.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Madonna is old and hideous.

I have no compassion at all for Le Pen.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Exactly what Le Pen said, the first part.

And I dislike Madonna.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus well I support Le Pen in that regard.

But I like this.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 First, I meant first.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 What and that there give the sentence different meanings.

1:30 PM

But I dislike Le Pen far more than I do Madonna.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus just goes to show what an opportunist Madonna is. Le Pen is an easy target. Remember how Madonna tried to take a stance against Bush and the Iraq war, but then backpedalled when her album sales went down?

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 While Noah is a moving target.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I, too, can go around hating Hitler. Doesn't cost me a thing.

Now go put Cheney in jail, that would get you some respect from me.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I don't remember, but I'm not surprised. She is a biatch.

user19161

@Cerberus What is a biatch?

1:32 PM

Why Cheney, specifically?

Was he the main instigator of the invasion of Iraq?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well, I don't mind if you include Rummy and Wolfie and Perle.

@ClarkKent A bitch.

Perle?

user19161

@Cerberus So it is a euphemism?

@ClarkKent Actually I'm not sure.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus he was the main profiteer.

in War Metal Tyrant, Sep 29 '11 at 16:16, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

The Iraq war was basically, "f*ck everybody everywhere ever and give their money to Cheney".

1:34 PM

Oh, right, he had an interest in certain companies? Arms manufacturers?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Halliburton.

Kellog's.

Whatever.

Kellog, now that's whom Madonna should compare to Hitler.

@ClarkKent 'biatch' is not a euphemism, it is a very slangy way of saying 'bitch'. more like 'bee- otch', very urban/hipster.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Oh yes, that's it.

user19161

@Mitch I've heard it of course, but never really thought about its meaning.

Why Kellog's, apart from the fact that they actually put bits of metal in cornflakes (this is really true)?

@Mitch But I wonder where it came from, what the significance of the extra vowel is.

I mean, did it indicate added disrespect?

Is it a common slangy variation on words by blacks?

1:38 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Dude...I looked at the edit history, which also shows the closing history. It shows that you closed it (I can understand that given your discomfort with the quote but non-link/reference from the dictionary). BUt then it was voted to reopen by -5- people.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

John Harvey Kellogg

John Harvey Kellogg (February 26, 1852 – December 14, 1943) was an American medical doctor in Battle Creek, Michigan, who ran a sanitarium using holistic methods, with a particular focus on nutrition, enemas and exercise. Kellogg was an advocate of vegetarianism and is best known for the invention of the corn flakes breakfast cereal with his brother, Will Keith Kellogg. He led in the establishment of the American Medical Missionary College. The College, founded in 1895, operated until 1910 when it merged with Illinois State University. Personal life Kellogg was born in Tyrone, Mic...

That was one sick bastard.

Then you summarily went back and closed it. WTH. That is very autocratic of you. If 5 people -after- you decide they want it open, don't you think you should let it be reopened instead of slapping them -all- down again? kinda uncool.

user19161

@Mitch I noticed you like to use - - for emphasis. I edited two of your meta posts to use italics instead.

@ClarkKent That's how I roll.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

> Kellogg worked on the rehabilitation of masturbators, often employing extreme measures, even mutilation, on both sexes. He was an advocate of circumcising young boys to curb masturbation and applying phenol (carbolic acid) to a young woman's clitoris.

1:40 PM

Wow.

user19161

@Mitch Yes, a little uncool. But let's cut him some slack now.

Americans are crazy.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I'm not touching anything Kellog's for the rest of my life.

And he calls that "rehabilitation"?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Which is quite hard, actually. They produce all kinds of crap.

1:41 PM

Really?

I use '-' because it's not always available in text, and caps are much uglier. and I wouldn't know what to do with accent marks if I read them.

user19161

@Mitch I thought you would say that's how you rock instead, which then brings rock and roll to mind.

Oh, you mean the corporation, not the brand.

Most people don't say 'that's how I rock'.

user19161

@Mitch You can use italics here too, like this.

1:42 PM

except maybe Jack Black.

user19161

Or bold, like this.

Yes, I realize that but, out of habit I don't.

user19161

Or both, like this.

of bold i

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Mitch it was reopened by five people when it was still closed as gen-ref, and I still hadn't found out that the OP actually copied the sentence from a dictionary.

1:42 PM

unjinx

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus really. I also boycott Müller Milch.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That is true.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 and if it's not obvious I am biased too because I was trying to answer the question when it was closed from under me.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Mitch exactly.

so are we even as far as bias goes?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

1:44 PM

We can rock back and forth some more if we're bored.

user19161

0

Q: Which is correct spelling disc or disk

Which is the correct spelling? Disk or disc? Do both the words mean the same?

spelling-checker

user19161

ED

but not roll. that's nasty

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Dupe.

user19161

I told OP to search first.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

1:44 PM

Apr 7 '11 at 15:17, by RegDwight

The King rocks but he doesn't roll.

user19161

I like to lecture people nowadays.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 The King neither rocks nor rolls; he rules.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Whoosh.

Apr 7 '11 at 15:17, by RegDwight

The king rules but he doesn't govern.

user19161

Also, why merge instead of duplicate?

@Cerberus back to 'biatch'. I think it's like 'partay' for 'party', just a modification of the word that started out as a nonce/idiolect embellishment by some celebrity, and other people started following.

user19161

1:47 PM

I find that merging often makes the answers silly.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@ClarkKent in this case the only answer already was silly.

user19161

If I could I would remove merging from the system.

@ClarkKent Erectile Disfunction?

user19161

@Robusto dysfunction

Tru dat. I don't have my brain on yet.

Apr 7 '11 at 15:16, by Robusto

@RegDwight — Stop trying to provoke me.

user19161

1:49 PM

@Robusto You need to put on your thinking cap!

I thynk I myght.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto so we're going backwards now?

Always.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

What's next? 15:15? 15:14? Where will the madness end?

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Whadda?

user19161

1:50 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Go sideways like crabs.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus Herr Müller takes pride in supporting Austrian Nazis.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Madness ends at zero.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto Madness ends at our house in the middle of the street.

@Mitch Ah OK, that's an interesting comparison. Somehow I have different associations with partay. But you're probably right in your explanation, I believe you.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Who is He?

He makes milk?

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 You've arrived at the mountains of madness?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

1:52 PM

user image

user image

All kinds of milk products.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 So that's what Nazi dairy treats look like?

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Yum yum.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Ah, I see. Those products alone disgust me, so, there, I'm boycotting him too.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto careful, they've probably penetrated your market already, under the pseudonym Mueller.

I can never understand why there are so many products with some kind of "fruit" and yoghurt in them (and mainly a gazillion grams of sugar and fat).

All equally yucky.

user19161

1:54 PM

@Cerberus They are yummy.

Jakkie, as we would say.

@ClarkKent Disgusting, sorry.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I like yoghurt and I like fruit and I like sugar and I like fat. I just don't like nazis.

His clue is "windmill."

user19161

1:55 PM

@Cerberus Somehow I had the illusion that you loved them.

> This isn't going to stop until Pictionary bans the word "windmill."

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto well that was funny. The third funny moment on Community so far. Probably the first in terms of funniness.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Get a life. You watch two episodes and judge the whole series. For shame.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto I have watched the whole first season now.

Who's judgmental now.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Is there something wrong with being judgmental?

2:00 PM

@ClarkKent But why?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto Obviously there is, if you object to it that much.

I hate most sweet things.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I only like Mr sugar and Mr fat from that bunch.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I don't object. I only object to your failed characterization.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

It was my personal characterization, duh.

OK, your personal failed characterization.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

2:03 PM

I watch a show, I don't like it, you tell me to give it a second chance, I do, I watch an entire season and don't plan on stopping, you post a video that actually made me laugh, and now you tell me to "get a life" and "for shame"?

I've got better stuff to do.

Anyway, season two is where Community really lifts of the ground.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto you did say the same thing about season one.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Hey, this was all said in a very meta and ironic way. Don't get all offended.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

You can put your meta in your ironic and offend it.

That is exactly where I keep my meta.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

2:04 PM

What season is the windmill from?

In fact, my ironic has a cute little meta caddy, which my sister knitted for me precisely for that purpose.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Season 2

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

You could have instasold the show to me by showing me just that clip.

@Robusto Ewww.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus but that's all there is to it.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Well, how about if I go back in time and insta-meta-sell you the show?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

2:06 PM

@Robusto then you better start going back in time now, lest you don't arrive on time.

Speaking of which, I saw Star Trek two days ago.

I said I was trying to get back to zero, when it all began.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

That new movie.

I have no idea what to give it on IMDb.

You mean the old new movie?

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 It's like emptying a can of garbage into a sugar pot.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

But it certainly does not deserve an 8.0.

2:07 PM

A new ST film? What is it about? TNG?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I still remember the times when IMDb was a really nice, really tough crowd. 6.0 was reserved for truly excellent movies.

Nowadays any movie with JLo in it gets a 7.0.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 What can you say about a movie site whose members rank The Shawshank Redemption as The Best Movie Of All Time?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I don't answer rhetorical questions in this chat. Not on Tuesdays anyway.

Was that the one where they escape from a prison?

Speaking of which what can you say about an entire industry that gives The Artist the Oscar for Best Picture.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

2:09 PM

@Cerberus Yeah. Stephen King.

OK.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto haven't seen that one yet.

Then I have actually seen (parts of) that film.

This is a first.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I think Sex and the City 2 is at 3.9 or something. Back in the day that's how much they'd give The Seven Samurai.

It's almost like their ratings go to the eleven now.

2

Q: Origin and meaning of "game on"

What is the origin of the phrase "game on"? Can it be used in formal conversations?

I am really worried about such stuff getting upvotes like that in such short time.

Oh God, not SitC.

Don't ever make me sit through another one of their films.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

2:20 PM

Someone could ask for the etymology of "red car" and probably get at least 30 reps out of it before it could be closed.

@Cerberus on the plus side, reading all the reviews was really fun.

People would outbid each other with wordplays and stuff.

Sex and the City 2 Reviews: The 10 Best Slams‌, and as such lists go, those are actually ten of the unfunniest slams.

I personally liked the New York Post calling it "two of the worst movies of the year".

I see.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

But dig this, I think it grossed 800 million all things considered.

That's silly.

Well, if even I went to see it...

Some people insisted that I went with them.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well, 300 million, actually. They must be starving!

> The release of the home video saw the movie gross a further $16,805,557 in its first week, with a total gross of $305,153,249.

I bet they made a "loss" on that.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

2:26 PM

> it was 2010's highest-grossing romantic comedy

The regular Hollywood accounting trick.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

> overseas, the sequel was a bigger success topping the charts in Germany for 5 weeks, Britain for 3 weeks, Australia for 2 weeks and exceeding the original in Japan and Greece

And the original sucked huge ass already.

If someone still needs a proof that there's no God...

I think I saw 1.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Then you wouldn't be able to survive five minutes of the second. Any five minutes, mind you.

It was really, truly, disgustingly pathetic. Worse still, it was offensive. They couldn't be more explicit about it if they just projected the words "we hate all brown people" onto the screen for two and a half hours.

Hahahaha.

2:32 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 tempting

Good comparison.

So you have seen it?

@Cerberus or I could be wrong.

@Gigi and @Meysam: Do you know Rita?

She is said to be popular in your country now.

@Mitch But, see, how unlikely is that?

I like her.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus of course I have.

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Of course. How could anyone want to miss it?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

2:36 PM

I am not one of those people who hate on a movie without seeing it. I want to be able to tell you why I hate it. Otherwise any die-hard fan could just present any number of arguments to which I would know nothing to respond.

But I gotta run!

Laters.

@Cerberus They're Israeli?

@Mitch Try Israel's arch-enemy.

user19161

Can anyone here tell me why using torrent is supposedly faster? I find it slower.

So the office manager very politely told me that they've turned the heat off for the summer, so they're just asking everyone to bundle up.

oops...so she's Iranian who made aliyah to Israel?

2:39 PM

Rita moved from Iran to Israel when she was young. She is now supposedly popular in both countries.

I hope her parents know.

@Mitch Yes, I didn't know there was a name for that? Does it have a special status?

So I emailed my boss and very politely told him that that was unacceptable, so I would be working from home when the outside temperature was not predicted to exceed 60 degrees.

only for jews (er actually for muslims but in a different way)

Hmm funny.

She is 50 years old, by the way.

I would have guessed 30.

2:41 PM

kids these days (or 40 years ago) know how to take care of themselves.

People here are all enthusiastic about Israelians and Iranians enjoying the same music.

outside of Iran.

inside of iran it's too dark to read.

What do you mean?

Read?

She is popular in Iran.

user19161

Does anyone still use Israelites?

So my newspaper says.

@ClarkKent That sounds a bit Biblical.

2:42 PM

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too hard to read.

Makes me think of the tribe, not the state.

user19161

@KitFox Good thinking.

Not really.

yeah, Israelite sounds churchy

My baseline state today is enraged.

That's not a good time to discuss things.

2:43 PM

@Mitch Umm thanks, I guess?

user19161

One more day to change username, yay!

@KitFox always take a sweater, even on the hottest days. office building air is it's own living organism.

@KitFox taps you on the head, feeds you (delicious but calorie-free) chocolate

@Mitch It's 55 degrees in my office. That's too cold even for a sweater.

55??

That is insane.

2:44 PM

So they can kiss my ass.

user19161

If only people could channel all the heat here to there. Then we need neither heater nor cooler.

That's a clear violation of my contract.

Go home. Say you got ill from the cold and will sue them.

@Cerberus classic Groucho Marx joke, good for any occasion involving digs and books.

@Cerberus I am home.

2:45 PM

I made a lame attempt at connect reading and darkness and Iran, at Iranians expense.

And tell them there'd better be an electrical heater waiting for you in your office tomorrow or you're out again.

@KitFox Ah, good.

user19161

I think the engineers should figure out how to make such a heat channeller rather than make better coolers and heaters. The channeller would be laid underground and across continents.

@Cerberus slowly licks chocolate

@Mitch Ehm oh, I am not familiar with that, sorry.

@KitFox: what' the temp outside (Of your office bldg, not you home)

2:46 PM

@Mitch 50 degrees.

@KitFox and here's a cup of hot cocoa

Raining and cold.

It was hilarious and you missed it.

user19161

It can be 32 degrees Celsius here in the day.

It is about the same temperature here.

2:46 PM

It was over 100 degrees a couple of weeks ago.

Inside my office.

And raining. Except this very moment.

@KitFox That's also impossible to work in.

Yes. I left that day too.

user19161

It is 37 degrees inside my body though.

And every day that it was hotter than 85 degrees until they installed my AC.

I thought everybody has a/c in America (we poor bastards don't have a/c in most places).

Ahhh.

2:47 PM

Then we had this cold spell. I've had the AC on exactly once.

Haha. That's almost funny.

@Cerberus It would be, if I weren't so pissed off.

user19161

Maybe switch to DC.

So how hot was it outside when it was 100 in your office? Is your office in the sun?

No, the heating system broke. Ironically.

2:48 PM

@ClarkKent And you're hot, aren't you?

@Cerberus There are some places in the northern parts of the US that don't have A/C (all office buildings do; but some homes don't)

@KitFox Wow.

@Mitch Ah OK, I suppose that makes sense.

user19161

@Cerberus I wish I were, hehe. Not as hot as you!

@Mitch Not all office buildings do. Sometimes you have to threaten to sue to get AC.

you know what they-don'thave in Europe is -screens-. I mean screens (you're welcome Jasper)

2:49 PM

I wish I had a/c! I have a mobile a/c unit that sort of works.

@KitFox really? That's wrong.

as in not 'you're wrong' but 'it's wrong of them'

@Mitch Scr—what?

@Mitch That's part of the reason that I am so angry today.

user19161

@Mitch Wow, that line is so wrong.

My employer is required to provide me with an adequate working environment.

They refused the AC and made my department pay for it.

2:50 PM

Yes. Or give you leave to go home.

user19161

This world will be full of shit until I take over, really.

Despite the fact that we pay fringe costs!

Your department? Doesn't that come out of their own coffers anyway?

in deference to your employer, they only have so much sway over the buil... 55 degrees you say? that's outrageous. Did someone leave the windows open?

Frineg costs?

2:51 PM

Which is supposed to go toward maintaining infrastructure!

@Mitch Or did someone order a giant fridge instead of an office building?

Which brings me back to 'screens'. In Europe you don't have screen windows, or AC so you have to open the windows to get fresh cooler air, but you have no screens so the bugs come in.

So essentially, we pay a percentage of all the money we bring in. It goes to a sort of general fund that is supposed to maintain buildings and stuff like sharing electrical costs and the like.

And they said "thank you, by the way, you have to pay for building maintenance and electrical and stuff."

user19161

Wow, I just read that it takes hours to compile Chromium from source code!

I've never understood 'fringe costs' either. just make the rent bill the whole amount instead of tacking things on extra at the end.

2:54 PM

In this case, it is a workaround.

@Mitch What are screen windows? Any kind of screen before a window?

We get federal and state grants. Legally, they cannot be used to pay for those things.

But you can collect fringe costs on them.

Yes. fine wire (Or maybe plastic) mesh that you can see through and let's air through just fine, but bugs and flying projectiles can't come through.

Oh, that. We have that, but not in offices.

but they always have some small rip in them or someone pushes them with their handspulling them slightl out of the rame so the whole mesh thing is rendered useless.

2:57 PM

It's only against mosquitos at night.

Why is everyone insisting on making me angry today? Have I been irradiated by gamma rays or something?

What do such screens have to do with temperature?

keeps things cooler (with windows open) but doesn't let in bugs (Like mosquitoes).

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