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4:01 PM
Doesn’t everyone?
 
@tchrist Did I just find patronizing the use of the first person instead of the second person?
 
@Mitch No, Kris was doing that.
 
No that didn't work there. but I know what you mean.
 
@tchrist Quite. We just don't do that here.
 
We do not put our fingers up our nose in public, young man.
 
4:02 PM
oh..._that_ 's passion aggression
 
Jez
gah, i'm playing a 13 year old girl at squash tonight. i hate playing youngsters. if you lose, you're a sissy. if you win, you're a villain.
 
FTN
 
we don't speak the Queen's English in Lebanon
 
@Jez Do you have to wear the makeup, too?
 
@Jez I played tennis against my mother-in-law who had recently had abdominal surgery. I lost.
 
4:03 PM
@Mitch Wise choice.
 
@tchrist Ha.
 
@tchrist I was trying to win. and she's not young or particularly athletic ... well maybe she is.
Lost on two separate occasions
 
You have a young and particularly athletic mother-in-law? Do they often mistake your wife for your granddaughter?
 
She'll be setting your wife up on dates with Andre Aggassiii
 
Jez
i'm already regretting agreeing to this match
i bet her dad will be there cheering her on.
 
4:06 PM
@tchrist no, that's the thing.
 
Old age and treachery beats youth and skill every time.
 
and then I have to open jars and stuff for her (which I then pss on to my wife to actually do after I 'loosen it' for her.
@MετάEd You can't teach old dogs new tricks
 
Jez
pss on to your wife?
 
That's not what I do in open jars.
 
2 hours ago, by Matt Эллен
@Mitch excellent!
@Jez pass. pass. to.
you guys! stop it!
@MattЭллен For a trade with Brooke Shields? SHe's nice and all, but no sense of humor.
 
4:13 PM
Hi
I have one more question
 
@Mitch "home is where the heart is" perhaps?
 
Spicey is still on the site.
 
@Jez you should totally let her win though. but only by a bit. 'Good game. That was tough' that's all you have to say.
 
I can't decide if gathering no moss is good or bad
 
I am starting to get bored.
@spiceyokooko: what "guardian clique"? You've been on the site for all of six days. Do you personally know the people who closed the question? Can you even name them? A question got closed by five high-rep community members, another high-rep community member argued that it can be salvaged, and then actually did salvage it, by editing it into shape, herself. And it got reopened. Which is precisely how SE is supposed to work. Now look at your contribution: you've spent the same time running around trying to foment unrest and division and calling people names. You are not helping.RegDwighт 2 mins ago
 
4:16 PM
@MattЭллен that works.
 
What is the usage differences of plaits vs tresses
 
@MattЭллен I'm kind of non-committal. You know, yeah, if is rolling, it probably won't gather any moss. probably won't if it is standing still in a desert neither. or pine forest.
@Hanu hair can be in tresses. hm... maybe in plaits too. What does the dictionary say?
 
@RegDwighт Oathbreaker.
 
@tchrist it's quite easy, really. He wants to have the final word. You keep pinging him, he keeps coming back. I am starting to see it as a sport of sorts.
 
@RegDwighт But I am entitled to my opinion and I am allowed to express it on meta and I am allowed to agree with other peoples comments. Sorry you don't like that, but there's lots of things here I don't like or agree with. So much for that beloved community democracy, self moderation and policing you love so much. — spiceyokooko 1 min ago
Ok, he’s a fuckhead.
> “You are being an asshole. That’s out of line. Please stop.“
 
4:19 PM
I can't remember who asked all those questions about trolling in chat that one time, but here is a prime example.
 
He hasn’t got the testicular fortitude to actually post anything, lest it be downvoted. He just shoots shit out of his gob via comments.
 
@tchrist He's an old dude, older than my mother-in-law. just ignore, he's obviously inflammatory.
@tchrist is that what gobshite is?
 
@tchrist That's the inference in my comment.
 
gobshite - one who spouts shite from their gob
 
@AndrewLeach If he’ll take it.
This entitlement thing really irks me.
 
4:23 PM
@MattЭллен from bingeing til your stomach whinges.
 
@Mitch often!
 
And don't forget that his name contains yoko, and who was it that broke up The Beatles? Coincidence? I think not.
 
@MattЭллен one def of binging is drunken revelry. I hope that's not confusing to Hanu
 
And he’s a crank, not a kook.
 
@Robusto by exactly that kind of borderline behavior
 
And in that case, maybe he thinks this is performance art. Hmm.
 
He’s wasting everybody’s time. Classic troll. This is what he gets off on.
 
@tchrist I think he's sincerely annoyed.
 
@RegDwighт I've clicked skip plenty of times when I wasn't sure, I must be in the minority. — spiceyokooko 2 hours ago
Really? From what I can tell, he doesn't have enough rep to see the queue anywhere in the SE network.
Has he outed himself as a sock puppet?
 
Which queue?
When did he mention this?
Ah.
Wait, what is the rep threshold for the assorted review queues?
It is not in the privs list.
 
4:28 PM
well, I have 432 at cogsci and I can access the "first posts" and "late answer" queues
none of the others
 
125.
 
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A: Is there any point to my being able to see the review link here on Meta?

EmmettWe just changed this: as of now, on meta sites, the "review" link in the top nav is only visible if you have >= 2k rep.

 
@Robusto I, uh. I don't know how much reps is required to access the queues. But it's not much.
 
-2
Q: Why is 10,000 rep needed to access moderation tools?

KoperIf you don't know what these tools are see here first. None of the tools have potential for abuse The vast majority of them can be useful for people with 3,000 rep or even less. Can't the tools be available sooner, if they can be useful? For example: 2,000 rep: access to all tools not relat...

Don't know if it's changed since then, though.
 
4:31 PM
@tchrist Yes, exactly:
@spiceyokooko "[I am not helping] but I am entitled to [complain about what other people contribute]". I wasn't sure what you were doing here; now I am. Thanks for clearing that up. — MετάEd 2 mins ago
 
You cannot see the close or reopen queues unless you can cast those votes.
I think that you can get some of the others at 125.
 
That’s the answer.
Also, you don’t get a delete button if you are too low.
I think you can nominate for deletion if you are under 20k.
Not sure how that works though.
 
@Mitch Actually "toop ra beh zamine kasi andakhtan", what you said doesn't make much sense. Thanks.
 
@Rob So I think he probably has legit access to a couple of the queues.
 
4:34 PM
@tchrist You get a delete vote after three days' closure, I think.
 
No, 10k gets to delete after 2 days closure, and never on answers.
 
@Gigili !! I can't read!
 
20k can delete negative answers, or in the unique case of via the review queue, also zero answers.
 
@Mitch that explains so much
 
But thanks for the full transcription. without all the vowels it's hard.
@MattЭллен This is all guessing. How an I doing?
 
4:36 PM
@tchrist Is there anything useful in those two queues? Has he never edited a first post or rejected a late answer?
 
@Mitch you're Anglish smells good
 
@RegDwighт Wow, it's not like these "high-rep privileges" actually mean anything, is it?
 
@MattЭллен Oh yeah? If you like that, you should smell my...
 
@AndrewLeach How do you trace a particular user’s review history? Is that possible?
I think so.
 
no, no you shouldn't.
 
4:37 PM
lol
 
@Robusto This is the whole entitlement thing. They think they are entitled to everything despite having so far contributed nothing. Free hot lunch.
 
@tchrist Profile > Activity > Reviews looks promising.
 
Dictionary meanings
plait = a single length of hair or other flexible material made up of three or more interlaced strands
 
It is what you make it, spice. You waded in here with hostility, so don't be surprised if that is what you take away from it. — Robusto 1 min ago
 
braid = a length of hair made up of three or more interlaced strands
tress = a long lock of a woman's hair
 
4:40 PM
@AndrewLeach Yes, that is it.
 
@Hanu: those all look pretty distinct to me.
 
How blah he is.
 
oh..maybe not.
 
but it seems to be braid and plait are more are the same
 
a plait looks like a kind of braid. It's a much rarer word to me. if you have interleaved hair the normal thing to call it is a 'braid'. I don't even know what a plait is (I do now!)
 
4:43 PM
A plait is rarer.
 
@tchrist His activity is nothing to write home about.
@KitFox Not in Britain. Hair is plaited more than braided.
 
'plait' sounds flat...it also sounds like a fish, like flounder, that is kind of flat.
 
plaits are more common in the UK
 
@Mitch I think that too. I almost said "flatter."
I like plait. Easier to remember the French word that way.
 
oh, you beat me to it @Andrew :D
 
4:44 PM
Also, related to complex.
 
@MattЭллен I think the fish is more common there instead of flounder in the US.
@KitFox plait or braid?
a plait complex?
 
@Mitch Plait.
Com + plex.
 
silver plait?
 
"With interleaving," I suppose you could say.
 
please please please say 'da nada'.
 
4:45 PM
Du rien.
Mercy buckets.
 
bows
 
I think plait and braid are the same thing with hair. Braiding might involve beads.
 
@AndrewLeach No, it doesn't.
Not necessarily.
 
@AndrewLeach it might, but that would be braiding with beads involved. i.e. beads are not involved by default.
 
OK: In Britain, plaits are plain; braiding is more likely not to be.
 
4:47 PM
It is the opposite in the US. How interesting.
 
Two nations and a supposedly common language, and all that.
 
Probably because "plait" is more exotic here.
 
What do you US folk call the gold edging stuff on uniforms?
 
Braid.
 
piping?
 
4:49 PM
Piping isn't braided though.
 
@KitFox I wonder why plait is more exotic with hair.
 
Just because it is rarer here, maybe?
 
@KitFox but the braided stuff is in the epaulettes, right? or the stuff that hangs down?
 
@Mitch Around the shoulder, or the edge of the epaulette. But it is almost always braided.
You could maybe call the epaulette edging "braided piping" but the stuff that goes around the shoulder is definitely not piping.
 
@Hanu tresses can be braided but are usually not specified one way or the other. 'long flowing tresses', who has those?
Farrah-Fawcett.
 
4:52 PM
Piping is stitched into a seam.
 
I'm conscious that @Hanu is probably looking on slightly bewildered. Can we agree that plaited and braided hair are essentially the same?
 
@KitFox I think piping is just at the creases and where pieces of cloth are joined.
oh yeah. 'seam' duh.
 
@AndrewLeach Yes. They are certainly the exact same thing, for hair at least.
 
@AndrewLeach only if you don't speak either BrE or AmE. Use the right one in those two places.
 
Does the UK have plaited rugs?
 
4:55 PM
That doesn't sound odd, although I'd be hard-pressed to describe one.
 
@Mitch And even when it is not braided, twisted strands are often call "braid."
@AndrewLeach It's a folk art here, braided rugs made from ragtags.
 
@KitFox Oh. Right. I've never seen one. So I suppose the answer is No.
 
I'm trying to think where else we would use the word "braid." What about braided wire?
So do you call it an aplexion instead of abrasion?
 
@KitFox No, rubbing things abrade each other.
 
It was a joke. pouts
 
5:00 PM
I don't do jokes in writing. I have Asperger's. I'm sure I've mentioned that before (but maybe not).
Sorry.
 
Oh.
 
Doesn't matter, as long as you don't pout any more.
I often say it's not me who suffers from it, it's people round me.
 
stops pouting
 
Some things just have to be explained, one syllable at a time!
 
@AndrewLeach one small word at a time ftfy
 
5:04 PM
Tantrum
:D
Anyway, I need to go for my specially-extended train journey.
(The timetable was reorganised and my train has been late every day)
 
@KitFox SVP
 
Commute.
 
5:25 PM
Writer's Chat going on now in The Overlook. Come chat about reading, writing, whatever you fancy.
 
6:06 PM
Ah, the death of irony:
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Q: Example of Irony

EdwinRecently I had a test in college that asks us to give an example of irony. I wrote this word by word: An astronaut had over 200 missions into space over two decades. Ironically, two days after he returned from his latest mission, he tripped on a banana peel and died. But I did not get any ...

 
6:37 PM
@tchrist That was a really great example of irony he gave.
^ irony
 
6:58 PM
Dramatic irony is not the most typical kind of irony.
All this negativity is making me sick btw.
Why can't all the haters just chill out?
I'm off, bye.
 
@Cerberus I hate that word.
byee!
 
@cornbreadninja Ahhhh!
But I really have to go.
Later!
 
CU.
Ride the giant penis in good health.
 
Jez
7:17 PM
gawd, seriously do not play girls at sport
 
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Q: NSFW: Vulgar way of saying "he killed himself"

nuoritoveriI'm trying to translate my acquaintance's cartoon to cite it in an article written in English. For the subject of the article it is important that the translation will be direct, thus very vulgar. Is there a vulgar way of saying he killed himself in English meaning that someone died, but did not...

Geezis. There goes @Martha's Christmas Contrivance.
 
Jez
it's not so much humiliation you feel, it's more that it makes you feel old
 
Rule #1 of sport: don't play people against whom losing would entail humiliation.
 
@Jez! I was just thinking of you.
I thought you might like this article.
 
8:00 PM
OK, according to my Polish-speaking colleage, Zajebał się means "He fucked himself." I voted to close because I don't think we want this kind of polling-for-vulgar-expressions question hitting the multicollider. — Robusto 1 min ago
 
Jez
@KitFox kind of amusing, but i don't really agree with all of it. if "find a girlfriend" were in the same league of difficult as "make loads of money", only a few thousand guys would have girlfriends. as it is, it looks like it's meant to be bloody easy.
 
I don't think it was about difficulty.
 
Jez
8:15 PM
well difficulty seems relevant
 
8:52 PM
@Robusto "He fell out of the tree."
 
Jez
@Robusto polling or Poleing?
 
wah wah waaaaaaaaaaah
 
@KitFox harsh!
 
Been out skiing with the dogs, perfect conditions, life's good
 
9:07 PM
nice
 
so cute!
 
putting children in a tumble dryer is not cute!
 
But sometimes you have to make a statement, enough is enough.
 
but it is the only humane way
lol
 
english.stackexchange.com/questions/94735/… I don't understand how this question can be answered with a simple link to an internet resource when I'm asking the very thing the links don't say.
"suggests that adding 'with' is usual" but how do I know when?
 
9:14 PM
the link Andrew provides points out that the verb takes not object, thus you do not "remonstrate Joe"
 
How could it possibly take no object?
How would you know who or what was being forcefully protested against?
 
@MattЭллен oh yeah... it is totally cute city! Anyway, he's taking them -out- not putting them in. See? All fluffed up already.
 
That has to be the silliest rule in all of English
"Here's an action, but the target of the action is to be inferred by the listener"
 
you shouldn't be using the word 'remonstrate'. Show that you're in liege to the Papists. Use 'objected to'
 
9:21 PM
you can give the object, but you need to add it with a preposition.
 
@Mitch lol, wut?
 
@jcolebrand half of lanugage is guessing, just in the same way as everybody else.
the other half...I don't know.
 
@MattЭллен what preposition did Stoney give?
 
'with'
 
We must be reading two different examples:
> I remonstrated that his choice of words was entirely inappropriate.
I see no "with" in that example
it is the only blockquoted passage in his answer.
 
9:26 PM
that doesn't have a direct object, I think
or maybe it does
 
First sentence: "The Collins, Merriam-Webster, and Cambridge online dictionaries all call for with before the person to whom a remonstrance is directed. "
 
meh
 
@Mitch Very cute, maybe rude of me to just make a lame joke
 
@Mitch lol
@jcolebrand your little tirade in your question isn't very helpful. the point of this site is that you show your research up front. you might not think it necessary, but it is here. We're not every other SE site.
 
9:31 PM
And using the word remonstrate and showing that I've gleaned that it may be an intransitive verb but that apparently it's not ... doesn't show anything?
What specific research should I present when asking questions? I would think that wikimedia or wikipedia are right out. Merriam Webster is impossible to dig through, with all the ads and ad nauseum
 
you original question asks whether or not to use with. That's mine and 3 other people's interpretation.
 
@MattЭллен and yet, the response given in the first proper answer doesn't even use the word "with" in the example given.
So that's hardly definitive
 
Okay, this is pretty damned funny. cubby.com/security
"Your new safe word: Cubby."
 
@MετάEd that is funny, but if they did cloud-storage-and-backup-securely right, then they're onto something
 
@jcolebrand the example is to demonstrate when you don't need to use with, despite there being an object.
the first sentence is "The Collins, Merriam-Webster, and Cambridge online dictionaries all call for with before the person to whom a remonstrance is directed."
is that not plain?
 
9:35 PM
@jcolebrand What I like about Dropbox is that it supports older operating systems.
 
@MετάEd except there's zero security. It's entirely flat.
@MattЭллен apparently not
 
You know, "dropbox" would make a good safeword too.
@jcolebrand Tell me about that.
 
@MετάEd They never encrpyted anything that was uploaded. They just sharded based on account
Did you not hear about when someone realized that by having a certain file-id (based on heuristic analysis of a file) that you could download from someone else's account, till they fixed that little password-required loophole?
I think it was about passwords at that point
 
@jcolebrand Okay so that means what. The files are unencrypted on the server? Not sure what you mean by "sharded".
 
I'm sure there was a hackernews discussion on that
Ah, so .. sharding
let's use an example everyone here is familiar with
A traditional dictionary has tabs on it, A, B, C, and so on
sometimes you have like for instance C-Ch, Ch-Cl, etc
however, in all cases, there's an initial "bucket" to start looking in, that you can derive from the key (the word being looked up)
So if my word were "geranium" the initial shard would be "all words beginning with the letter G"
If we were talking in terms of social security numbers, the first shard would probably be (altho it's not a large enough dataset to require sharding) the first three numbers.
So if your account on dropbox and my account on dropbox were numbers 123456 and 123457, they might shard based on all "12" accounts, so we would be in the same "base shard" or something
it gets incredibly complex depending on the requirements
But that's the basis
So let's flip back and look at files
Maybe instead of uploading everything on the target computer, you want to upload what is new?
So before you upload anything, you first take a fingerprint of the file, then ask the server if it already has that fingerprint.
So now you need to look up millions of fingerprints at a time, so why not shard the fingerprint tables, so you can do lots of fast lookups on them
So if the fingerprint already exists, then the file already exists, so associate the file with the user
Do you see the security flaw yet?
 
9:42 PM
Not really.
 
What if you and I have the same document on our computer, for some reason
say we're best mates, and we both have the exact same picture?
So the fingerprint is the same, right?
So I upload it first, and it takes ... 5 minutes.
 
Right, if the fingerprint is nothing but an ID of the file content.
 
Then you go to upload it, and it sees that the fingerprint is already there, and it says "all done" after like 0.05 seconds
 
A checksum basically.
 
pretty much
 
9:43 PM
yes, that makes sense.
 
So they were able to tell what was already in the system (aka, someone else had already uploaded) - that was vulnerability A
 
So far, that sounds like a feature.
Well, sort of. You'd have to have file A in order to find out if someone else had it too.
 
@JohanLarsson no, that was good. sometimes there's just no response to be made. Half of Robusto's comments are just jaw dropping; any comment would ruin it.
 
And if I recall correctly, they were also able to finagle the system via API calls to bring down files of which the fingerprints were known, without having uploaded them in the first place, because of knowing the fingerprint existed
That was flaw B
@MετάEd but people were doing that
social engineering
 
I'm familiar with social engineering but I don't see how you are relating it to the Dropbox fingerprints.
 
9:46 PM
Anyways, it's better to go back and look on hackernews if this really interests you, because I'm sure I've forgotten some of the details, I just remember what the attack vectors were.
 
Worst case, you find out you don't have the only copy of file A. What does that get you?
 
@MετάEd to see if people had uploaded stuff, I forget specifically.
@MετάEd if it's a confidential document?
All you have to do is query for the fingerprint, you don't have to upload your copy
 
If it's a confidential document, you already have a copy of it or you wouldn't have been able to generate the fingerprint.
 
Now you've proven that someone has violated an NDA
What do you do legally?
 
But you don't know who.
 
9:47 PM
But when only a few people should have the document in the first place, it's not always hard to figure out.
 
10:24 PM
@jcolebrand I couldn't find what you're describing in hackernews. I did find reports of some security exploits but nothing having to do with shards.
 
no, the security exploits
I was just thinking of the internal backend and musing aloud on that part, my apologies
the sharding is just a highly technical concept that has to do with data storage
You still have to be secure when you shard data, depending on how you shard it
if you shard it by the user, it's easier to secure but "bulkier" than sharding by other methods
 
10:43 PM
@RegDwighт how are you godfriend? I finally figured it out with the help of tchrist
 
Oh haha.
I forgot all about it.
But I have to run right now, Johan.
I just dropped by to read jcolebrand's fascinating explanations.
Lators!
 
11:05 PM
no one around ?
 
11:53 PM
Did Regdwight just get a hat?
 
hats?
Ah, hatted owl.
Why don't I get one yet!
 

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