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12:01 AM
does colon mean next letter capitalized?
 
No, not usually.
It used to sometimes be done that way, but not so much any longer.
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A: What is a right word to replace 'issues'?

IrishgirlClose this question, please. I don't think anyone can response to this as this is a complex issue that I'm trying to write. I'll ask my developer friends to look at it.

Gosh.
 
only spotted one error respond*
 
Right.
 
one more maybe, she could have just closed it herself?
 
Yes.
But not now that she has “answered” it.
 
12:24 AM
yay deleted by waiwai
 
I can't believe she would actually be Irish.
Surely English can't be her native language?
 
Surely not.
Are there any first-language Irish Gaelic speakers?
Who know little English?
You know, the Marshal badge is trivial on SO, and next to impossible here. You really have to work obsessively for a superlong time.
 
@Cerberus all her mistakes sound -extremely- native to me. An NNS wouldn't have the fluency to make such boneheaded semantic misdirections. If you say it out loud and dont worry about the meaning, it comes across as general jargonese.
 
what is considered a helpful flag?
 
@tchrist -very- rare nowadays. only bilinguals. most Irish learn Irish as a second language in school
 
12:32 AM
@Mitch What fluency?
She uses a couple of abstract words, but her syntax is—well, absent.
 
fluency in English.
 
I fail to see it.
Do you see any particular colloquialisms that one would expect from an uneducated native speaker?
What also strikes me is how she is careful to use punctuation and capitals, and a quote box—which shows she is not being sloppy—and yet she makes such huge syntactic errors.
Native uneducatese is more like "Ima write this code and I was wondering about the word isseus cuz its not right but also not wrong and maybe theirs a fancyer therm".
 
12:52 AM
What, are there people who try to send FB friend request to everyone in the world? I have some from people I've never met in Leeds, England and Stuttgart, Germany.
 
@Cerberus looking through her other SE (stackoverflow) posts, yes, she seems to make a few mistakes here and there, like a missing article or plural every so often. But it's not enough to given a foreign accents to me (doesn't sound like she -meant- them).
 
@Robusto Yeah I got one or two from exotic places.
 
@Robusto maybe you have the name of someone they do know.
 
I reckon I must have met them somewhere. Or they are crazy.
 
pick a name and search on FB, you'll find dozens have the same name.
 
12:55 AM
@Mitch Ask her!
 
I don't do "friend of a friend of a friend of a friend" requests. I believe in maintaining strict Six Degrees of Separation at all times.
 
@JohanLarsson a moderator agreed with it and maybe took an action on it.
 
@Robusto Wow you're strict.
 
@Robusto that's only 4
 
You must have like 3 friends?
 
12:56 AM
or is it 5?
 
Not strict, just careful. I don't want random Limeys and Krauts all up in my bidness.
 
In any case, what percentage of people were we supposed to reach with 6 degrees?
 
Depends whether it is Celsius or Fahrenheit.
 
Wasn't the 6 degrees the average number of steps between you and any random person?
@tchrist It's -21 in C.
 
I prune my fb friends list on a schedule
 
12:58 AM
I couldn't care less who's in my "friends" list.
 
@Cerberus Yeah. Hence the joke. Six degrees is supposedly all you need to connect to any random person on earth.
 
@Robusto That's different.
That would be a maximum.
And I don't believe that is correct.
 
@Cerberus I'm a hater, I cant stand people who spam non-events
 
You're talking to a group of Facebook sceptics...
 
fine people imo
 
1:00 AM
Thanks.
 
@Rob What are you thinking?
Yes, I am febrile, but this still sounds like postmodernista claptrap.
> Could someone explain either in model-theoretic, or implicature-based pragmatics, how nothing less than derives the meaning it does in the referenced quote?
Make it stop.
 
@tchrist I dunno. Why did I see it if you already rejected it? Is this some kind of democracy?
 
Yes.
Takes two of the same kind of vote.
Or on SO, three.
Plus you beat me by 12 minutes.
 
OK, here's the real story. I didn't read the original close enough, and the edits made it look like gibberish at first glance. The edited version looked corehent enough. Well, chalk it up to ADD.
 
K.
But I do not find that “model-theoretic, or implicature-based pragmatics” coheres well, nor congeals. It goops.
And that is not meant to be taken as a racist remark.
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A: Do all words have a part of speech?

MichelleA noun is a person , place or thing and a adverb has a ly not all words with ly is adverb like lovely or supply.A proper noun is a Persons name like Lizzie , Michelle , Bryant , Jeff , Maggie ,Skyler, Haley , Lizzie.

Here, let’s kill it before the mods do. :)
 
1:23 AM
@tchrist they repeated the name Lizzie. I think its because it is special.
Thanks for the fully explained answer. +1 for the 8 parts. — Jamie Jul 10 '11 at 9:50
 
@MattЭллен Just FYI: Your hilarious whirligig gif on “how gay sex really works” is from here. No kidding. They call it “the helicopter”.
And now . . . you know . . . the Rest of the Story.
 
1:45 AM
@tchrist Implicature-based pragmatics is clear enough.
Model-theoretic pragmatics I am not familiar with.
But Lovegren knows what he's talking about.
 
You sure?
See his meta q?
 
Which one?
I nearly always agree with him.
Both on linguistics and on policy.
 
Then go thou and do likewise, I suppose.
 
He's smart and knowledgeable.
 
He wants to know why his answer was deleted.
 
1:47 AM
Which answer?
Let me see...
 
Ah yes.
 
Rather than parsing out metaposts and weighing the justice of the matter, it is far more entertaining to watch an Englishman trying to gross out an American feeding him Brit food, and then the same pair doing the reverse. Blame @MattЭллен for putting me onto all this silliness. :)
 
He and I are of the school "let's provide more interesting insights to a question that is apparently fairly simple".
 
Then you have a prepared answer for when Leo’s question is reopened?
I can’t believe the American took a heaping tablespoon of marmite into his mouth. He must have had no idea what it was.
But the Brit managed to dodge the supernastiest bits by being vegetarian.
However, I doubt those bits could have been brought into the country either. :)
I don’t think the Brit liked the rootbeer stuff.
They don’t have the flavor there.
Nor the flavour, even.
 
2:11 AM
@tchrist Lovegren was working on that.
Not I.
 
Hi
 
@Cerberus You mean he was wanting to fix his mis-fired answer when it got deleted? If so, then I can see why he feels that he should have been given the chance to do so. But I do not want to be in the position of trying to explain anyone else’s actions.
 
@Hanu Hi!
 
I have question
Please consider the below excerpt
 
@tchrist Why mis-fired?
And, yes, he said he was in the process of thinking about / changing it, in his Meta question.
 
2:16 AM
I neither downvoted nor deletevoted his answer myself. But it appears that some folks felt that it was answering a different question. Again, I cannot explain others’ actions, only guess.
 
He seemed to answer the question.
 
I’d rather let the person who deleted it speak for themself about their reasons.
But I confess that when I first read it, I actually thought it was not answering the question.
 
> 'I never went to college'
> 'What?' I said as I twirled the ice cubes in my glass
> 'Well, I did do a joke of a correspondence degree'
 
Perhaps I was wrong.
And three people who were not me downvoted it.
 
It was deleted by Reg.
And his answer was admittedly a bit...indirect.
 
2:17 AM
I have a difficulty to interpret the meaning of ** joke of a correspondence degree**
 
I don't know what a "correspondence degree" is.
"A joke of an x" = a pathetic x.
An x that really amounted to very little.
 
I did not flag it, either. I didn’t do anything to his answer. I just kinda went “huh?”, and moved on.
 
In the case of a degree, it would probably be a very easy degree with very little real content.
 
Wait, I know.
A correspondence degree must mean a mail-order diploma.
Or an on-line class, or some such.
 
Ah, a corrspondence degree is a degree you get by taking courses at home, by mail.
Jinx.
 
2:20 AM
They used to do them through the post.
 
Correspondence = "exchanging letters".
 
The assumption is that a mail-order degree isn’t worth the paper it is printed on. Hence, joke of a degree.
 
So a joke of a correspondence degree is a low-quality, too-easy degree that you acquired through on-line or mail courses.
 
Joke of something can be used as some thing which is easily doable and not worth at all?
Is this correct?
 
Yes.
A joke of a(n) x.
You need the article a twice.
A joke of a degree is not a serious degree, hence "joke".
Okay, bed time!
 
2:28 AM
Hello!
 
@Cerberus: I didn't understand 'You need the article a twice.' completely
 
@Hanu The word "a" or "an" is called the indefinite article ("the" is the definite article").
And you need to use "a" twice in the expression "a joke of a [something]".
*This is joke of degree does not work.
It must be This is a joke of a degree.
 
Thank you so much :)
It is really helpful
 
It was a pleasure!
Good night!
I have to go.
@Mahnax Bye Bob!
 
Sleep well, goddess of victory!
 
2:34 AM
Pah.
poof
 
@Mahnax!
howdy
 
Hiya!
 
How goes it?
 
I just got home from work. You?
 
I just ate a sandwich.
How was work?
 
2:42 AM
It went very well.
I'm no longer a trainee!
 
2:53 AM
Also, we do make the mocha with powder still.
 
3:08 AM
@Cerberus Thanks for catching the "hard g" error.
 
3:32 AM
This guy seems to be looking for validation of his picking a bone with his poor child’s fourth-grade teacher, for heaven’s sake!
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Q: Question about the future "tense"

ByronomoMy daughter, who is in the 4th grade, was asked to answer questions about the following sentence: What time can you meet us at the school on Tuesday? She was asked questions about the usage of can and meet in the sentence. Specifically, she was asked whether the words were action, linking o...

That just is not going to go well for any of them.
 
No. I upped you so he would listen.
 
3:56 AM
Hello, what is the meaning of "Harp not on that string."?
 
@thavan Perhaps, don’t whine on about something or other?
@Robusto Thanks.
I just now realized that I had a “you forgot to file the right paperwork to drop out of this class before the drop date” dream this past weekend. Ug. Long time since I’ve been cursed with one of those monsters.
This is a dupe:
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Q: Verb agreement of "heaps"/"lots": uncountable nouns

ViviI am a non-native English speaker and I recently started noticing that most people do not do the correct agreement of the verb with the noun when saying "there is"/"there was"/"here is". They say, for example, There's two things in my pocket instead of There are two things in my pocket...

But I don’t know where it is.
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Q: Should I say "there is a handful of..." or "there are a handful of...."?

Nathan FellmanI want to write that I have handful of somethings. Which of these is the correct form? There is a handful of somethings. There are a handful of somethings. Are both correct?

That isn’t the one I was thinking of, but I like Barrie’s answer.
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A: "There are so many" vs. "There is so many"

KosmonautPeople here are telling you that "there are" is right. In terms of any kind of Standard English, that is 100% true. When expletive-there + copula is used in the subject position, the copula verb is supposed to agree with the noun phrase to the right. However, I suspect you are interested in al...

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A: “There’s” or “There are”?

tchristPossibly Related: “There are so many” vs. “There is so many” There is/are one or several apple/~s? “Is there” versus “Are there” “There is/are more than one”. What's the difference? Should I say “there is a handful of…” or “there are a handful of…”? Is “there're” (similar to “there's”) a corre...

 
 
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9:14 AM
@tchrist It's a shame that name changes don't get applied to postings where that person is mentioned. I'm not sure exactly when Rimmer turned into František Stanko, but by doing so, he's completely ruined Barrie's answer.
@thavan It means "don't continue that particular argument".
 
10:01 AM
Hi.
 
Hey, @Cerberus, how are you?
 
Hi, I had to get up way too early.
So not well.
And you?
 
Oh, sorry to hear that. Can you go back to bed?
 
Nope, I have to go to work in 30ish minutes...
 
I am very well. I had a lovely weekend. My life seems a bit more relaxed than it has for a number of weeks now.
 
10:09 AM
Let me guess what time it is for you...4 PM?
Oh! That's great!
 
@Cerberus Not even close.
 
What did you do this weekend?
@DavidWallace Ugh...oh, wait, I'm too tired to get even close: 9 PM? 10 PM?
 
Oh, umm, lots of things. I spent almost all day with Emerik on Saturday. We went to his cricket game, then we played video games for a while, then I took him to see The Hobbit (in 3D).
 
That's good.
Any other (mentionable) significant changes?
 
I went to the mosque on Saturday evening for an exegesis session, and ended up spending several hours with a couple of brothers whom I hadn't met before. I got home at about 3am, which is something i haven't done for years.
 
10:11 AM
OK.
 
And on Sunday, I spent most of the day with another friend and his two children.
 
Good.
 
@Cerberus What sort of changes would you consider significant?
 
Well, I don't know.
 
One friend of mine suggested that making any more life-changing changes (that seems redundant somehow) is probably not a good idea for me right now.
 
10:12 AM
Less fear of losing touch with E. could be such a change.
@DavidWallace Yeah, unless they could solve existing problems.
 
But it's inevitable that I will lose touch with Emerik, to some extent.
 
I don't know.
 
What existing problems? My only existing problem is that I don't live with my family. That's not going to change any time soon.
 
OK.
 
Actually, that is FAR from my only existing problem.
 
10:14 AM
Heh.
Of course.
 
And I think that your diagnosis of my situation was entirely accurate.
So how come you get to leave for work at 11:40am? How did you manage to agree such hours with your employer?
 
Hmm.
Well, it's examination week for lots of kids, so we are open earlier.
For tutoring and such.
I suppose for most people noon is not exactly early, hehe.
 
So starting work at midday is EARLIER than usual? I want your job!
Jinx!!
 
Hehe.
 
I'm finding my job hard at the moment. Not because it's difficult. It's just that I'm short of energy and of motivation. Hopefully this will be different in the new year.
 
10:20 AM
Yup.
We usually only open once school is out.
@DavidWallace Understandable.
 
I spend a lot of my time daydreaming. Don't tell my boss.
 
Is it intrinsically interesting enough?
 
Ah.
But you would cope under normal circumstances.
 
For me, it has become just a tool to make money. I used to love my work. Now, I have other concerns.
Also, programming computers has started to become boring to me. I guess I've been doing it for too long.
What I need to do is finish my book. Maybe I'll spend lots of time on it over the Christmas / New Year break.
 
10:23 AM
Or you haven't done the right programming job(s).
 
Yeah. I work for a big bank. I hate big banks.
 
But finishing a book means sitting at home, alone...
Yeah, who doesn't hate big banks?
It's almost as bad as working for a tobacco company these days, hehe.
 
No, I'd never work for a tobacco company.
 
Or "African Mine Slavery, Inc.".
 
Although I'm starting to have moral issues about working for the bank. This is all tied into religion.
 
10:25 AM
Or the Chinese National Organ-Donating Programme.
But there are many Muslim banks.
 
Yeah. The one I work for is not one of them.
 
I had an account at a Turkish bank once.
 
Why would you open an account at a Muslim bank if you are not a Muslim?
 
They operate just like any Western bank.
 
(Or WERE you a Muslim once?)
 
10:26 AM
No.
 
If they operate like any Western bank, then they're not a Muslim bank.
 
Nobody in my family has been religious this century or the last.
Well, the bank was owned and run by Muslims.
 
@Cerberus There's always a first one of anything.
 
But Turks are usually pretty liberal Muslims.
 
@Cerberus OK, Islamic banking is something quite specific. Bankers become business partners. And no interest is ever paid or charged.
 
10:28 AM
@DavidWallace Unlikely. You are rather a rare species of bird, if I may say so!
@DavidWallace Yeah I know.
Sharia banking.
 
Yeah, that.
What's so rare about me?
 
Well, if anything, Westerns become irreligious, they don't switch to another religion.
You know the stats.
 
Lots of Westerners switch from atheism to Christianity. I guess Western Muslims are extremely rare though. At least where I live.
I have been a Muslim for slightly over three months, and met exactly two other white-skinned Muslims.
 
Even that is very rare.
I don't know anyone who switched from atheism to Christianity.
But, yes, it is probably less rare than switching to Islam.
 
@Cerberus Really? I find that extremely odd. Here, it is quite common to do so.
 
10:31 AM
Are you sure?
 
Pretty sure, yes.
 
Compared to the other way around?
But surely irreligion is growing quickly in NZ, just as in all other Western countries?
 
@Cerberus It depends what you mean by switching FROM Christianity. Lots of children are raised as Christians, then make their own decision when they get older, which turns out to be different.
 
Yes, that.
 
But I would say that for ADULTS to switch from Christianity to atheism is no more common than the other way around.
 
10:32 AM
I would think it was still more common for adults.
But yes, most people probably switch at an earlier age.
 
@Cerberus Maybe. I do NOT know the statistics. And I'm not sure that irreligion is growing; maybe people are more honest about it in censis.
 
What country is that? And where is Islam?
 
@DavidWallace I don't think it is that.
That country is NZ, and Islam is under "Other".
 
No way.
 
10:35 AM
I think all Western countries look like that. It's just that the Green line is higher in some countries (NL) and lower in others (USA).
But the inclines are the same.
Roughly.
 
Irreligion is not replacing Christianity as quickly as that graph suggests. What you see is an increase in honesty. It used to only be respectable to label oneself as Anglican. Now, it's more respectable to answer truthfully.
 
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… Graph showing trends in religious affiliation (or non-affiliation) in New Zealand according to the 1991-2006 Censuses. "Maori Christian" is included within the "Christian" total.
> The "Other" figure was derived by subtracting all the other figures from the total number of people with valid responses. This avoids double counting people with more than one "Other" religion, but excludes "Christian" people with another religion from the "Other" total. In 1991 and 1996, only a single religion was recorded for each person, so this problem does not affect those years.
 
How can someone be both Christian and Other?
 
@DavidWallace Perhaps that makes the line a little bit steeper, but this phenomenon of increasing irreligion has prevailed since, I don't know, 1900.
 
I worship Jesus on Sundays and Satan on Mondays?
 
10:37 AM
Yes, like that.
 
@Cerberus I don't believe it for a moment.
 
Well, in 1600, irreligion was tiny, right?
Now it's large.
So it must have increased at some point.
 
But if the growth of irreligion was as that line indicates, there would have been negative irreligion any time before about 1960.
 
And questionnaires put this "point" between probably 1800 and now, with emphasis on the last couple of decades, since 1960.
@DavidWallace No, it has steepened.
And it will flatten out again eventually.
Possibly at 1 % or so.
I don't know what current projections are.
 
1% for Christianity?
Hmm.
 
10:40 AM
Yes.
Or maybe 5 %, I don't know.
 
Meanwhile, Islam will increase exponentially. We shall win it in the bedroom.
 
Haha.
I doubt it.
Because Muslims are becoming more and more irreligious in Western countries too, on average.
Perhaps it is different in NZ, if you have few Muslim immigrants.
 
It's true. We tend to marry earlier and have more children than people of other religions. We will dominate eventually, everywhere.
 
But here mosque attendance and such are also in decline.
 
Really? That's hard to believe.
 
10:42 AM
But it is true...the richer people get, the less religious.
It doesn't happen instantaneously.
 
@Cerberus Aha, that will be the needle and the eye of the camel, or whatever.
 
But there is a clear connection.
@DavidWallace Haha, how does that work?
 
By the way, orthodox Christians also marry early and have lots of kids.
It's not (nearly) enough.
@DavidWallace Well, that doesn't stop people!
But I have to run.
Work time...nice chatting with you!
 
@Cerberus Me too. Have fun at work, even if it is inordinately early for you.
@Cerberus Yes, you too. I always enjoy talking to you.
 
10:45 AM
It's always fun to discuss controversial subjects, lest we sink off into utter boredom.
Bye!
 
Did one of us say something controversial?
 
Well, we disagree on certain stuff, no?
 
We do not!
 
Bai!
 
Ciao.
 
11:09 AM
-2
Q: How "closed" is related to English language & usage?

LeoMy basic question is closed. I wonder what kind of questions are considered non-basic. Then I browse the "Questions" and find most of the questions are about what kind of questions should be closed. My question is : How "closed" is related to English language & usage?

Very funny.
Luckily JR figured it out.
 
@tchrist Glad to have amused you!
@RegDwighт ah! we have a meta post about making the difference between meta and main more pronounced, I think.
 
I'm certain we have several.
And yeah, if you can't see color, the main site is indistinguishable from meta.
Not sure how many people are that sort of color blind, if any.
But anyway, the wording of that question is just too funny.
 
indeed :D "closed" is the answer to all EL&U questions.
 
Yes, but he puts a spin on it, "why are all your questions about the word closed?"
 
We need a tag for "closed".
 
Wow, that was fast.
Thank you!
 
anytime.
one more edit then I get a gold badge! how exciting.
looks like I'll beat @KitFox to the copy editor badge!
 
12:18 PM
The English Languish and You Sneer
 
12:30 PM
@MattЭллен Oh sit I forgot we were racing!
Too late now.
Morning and bye!
 
What’s the URL-trick to get a question’s timeline again, please?
You append /timeline to it somewhere, right?
 
It has to be /posts, I think.
/posts/question-id/timeline
 
I forgot the /posts/ part, and was somehow using /questions/, which doesn't work.
 
can we stop griping about closed questions already? the whole argument became tedious several iterations ago
 
> for every person who complains about too many downvotes, there's another person who complains about every last crap immediately getting upvoted within three minutes of it getting posted. Frankly, at this point I see only two solutions: disable voting altogether, or collectively stop whining. I don't see either happening any time soon.
> Everyone votes for his own reasons, and everyone makes exceptions to their own rules. It is impossible to agree on an exact set of rules, and even if we did, there would be no way to enforce them.
Source: also me.
 
12:51 PM
Of the two, I prefer to disable voting. I do much more whining than I do voting.
 
I'd prefer to turn off whining, for the same reason
 
I like turtles.
 
Jul 19 '11 at 14:09, by RegDwight
I like turtles.
 
Jul 16 at 13:36, by RegDwight ΒВB
Hey people if you make stuff up at least be consistent.
 
well played
 
12:54 PM
@RegDwighт Rod monochromacy is exceedingly rare: it occurs in 0.00001% of the populace (1 in every 10 million people) irrespective of sex. However, it might also be protanopia, with missing long/red cones, causing the pink to seem grey and vice versa. This is still “10 times rarer” than common red-green colorblindness, occurring in 1.0–1.3% of males and 0.02% of females.
 
Not far off from the figures I'd have taken out of thin air.
 
They might also be the red-deficient type of anomalous trichromat.
Notice they don’t give data for the XX tetrachromats. We don’t know how many those are.
 
Aug 22 at 15:33, by Matt Эллен
I read this morning about this guy who doesn't have colour vision, but has an implant that hangs across his face and screws into his skull (at the back) that turns hue and saturation into sound
 
Neil Harbisson?
 
eh, I don't remember his name
could be though
 
12:59 PM
See picky here.
 

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