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12:00 AM
Oh, huh
That may explain why things seems low?
 
Heh, that's called a minor update?
 
Hm. That was surprisingly easy, though.
<knocks on wood>
I just used my standard deck.
Except for some siphon surprise, it was easy.
 
Hm. Interesting
Misting fear blokes may be fun :)
Not seeing timers will get old though
 
Yeah, you do get to see the cards when they get active. The trick is to not let them get that far.
So, as long as you are actually fighting fog, you will be fine.
 
12:05 AM
Ah, okay
I misunderstood
 
So did I.
It is weird, though.
And I have no idea who was siphoning.
So some actions don't seem to count as "becoming active".
Unless I misunderstand yet again.
I'm on 4x, after all.
Huh, one of the Last Stand guys actually has an empty deck. Too bad you don't get to fight against those ones more often, for the reasons we discussed above.
Invite link to that Miasma raid.
@Vitaly is obviously welcome, too. Still 18 slots open.
 
I'm out of energy
 
I am at 6 energy and haven't completed Mission 26 yet.
 
Just lost a "close" match where a stupid regen-counter thing killed half of my deck
 
Well, entering is free.
 
12:10 AM
RNG for the loss ;(
 
A fight only costs 10.
Basically this is just for trying new stuff out if you want. I'm out of energy, too.
 
I think I will pass. The “miasma” part scares me.
 
K, one sec
 
Because if you want to kick it off yourself, then it does cost a whopping 25. And you would need to organize support.
Right now we already have 7 people.
And counting.
Anyhows, just two more battles and I am going to bed.
So I'm logging off here.
Night all! Have fun!
 
Mmk.
Cheers
 
12:12 AM
Later.
1 WB for daily chance instead of 500 more gold I need to buy a Gold set. FFUUUUU.
And 100 or 200 gold yesterday instead of a hatchet.
 
@Vitaly That's good. I don't typically get any
 
That daily chance thing can't possibly be server-side. Or can it? I mean, if it's user-side, there should be a way to see the stuff in advance before choosing a slot.
Unless the flash app generates the contents of the slots post factum.
 
No clue. I don't know enough about flash
 
Packet capturing, WireShark?
If you haven't tried your chance yet, get a log of your packets, just in case (and if you know enough about network monitoring or can figure it out fast)
But then such a popular game is bound to have protection like unique IDs generated for each daily chance packet, or something better
 
12:30 AM
@Vitaly "Popular" doesn't mean professional ;)
Not my area but the random chance is mostly likely client based
Otherwise I could just report what today's chance is to you
Well, out of energy
Take care :)
 
Later.
 
1:16 AM
@MrHen, @MrDisappointment: Don't forget to surrender if you're about to lose, or close tab refresh if it is too late for surrender: in case you didn't know, the enemy gets only 10 points if you surrender or quit in time.
 
 
1 hour later…
2:20 AM
@Cerberus Hm, quit works? Didn't know that. :)
 
3:10 AM
Yup!
 
3:20 AM
@Cerberus, Hi!
Still up?
 
No! I am asleep.
I should be! You?
 
;-)
Already up.
 
Whoa! That is sick...
Oh, and do you happen to know off the top of your hat where your name comes from?
Germanic?
 
Sometimes I wonder whether you're really in the NL or rather in somewhere down under.
 
All I could think of was Alemannus...
 
3:22 AM
The Alain were a Germanic tribes.
 
@AlainPannetier Hehe... you can tell @Vitaly the same.
So it is the same word as A(l)lemanni?
= Allemagne, etc...
 
The Alans or Alani (occasionally termed Alauni or Halani) were a group of Sarmatian tribes, nomadic pastoralists of the 1st millennium AD who spoke an Eastern Iranian language which derived from Scytho-Sarmatian and which in turn evolved into modern Ossetian. Name The various forms of Alan — Greek: Αλανοί, Αλαννοί; Chinese: 阿蘭聊 Alanliao (Pinyin) in the 2nd century, 阿蘭 Alan (Pinyin) in the 3rd century — and Iron (a self-designation of the Alans' modern Ossetian descendants, indicating early tribal self-designation) are Iranian dialectical forms of Aryan. These and other variants of Aryan...
Great travellers already ;-)
Well not that Germanic actually.
You know I thought about the "ni" again yesterday.
and I have a few examples for you - and a lo and behold even a rule!
 
Wowie!
 
You say "ni" wherever you are tempted to say "not or"!
 
@AlainPannetier I still think it's funny that Alain/Alan should have become such a common name all over Europe from that people...
 
3:27 AM
Basically like English nor
 
Right...
 
For instance
 
Sounds sound to me.
 
But you can also work around if you want to avoid "ni".
Je ne suis pas allé chez le coiffeur
Et [pas non plus/pas davantage] chez le dentiste.
Short for "ni d'ailleurs chez le dentiste".
 
Right... and ni sounds a tiny bit more formal, is that right?
Especially at the beginning of a sentence.
 
3:31 AM
In the beginning of a sentence yes. But "pas plus" or "pas davantage" are even more buttoned-up.
 
Hmm...
Funny.
 
Basically, since "ni" is shorter; it's more "lazy".
 
In English, starting a sentence with nor is not something you would hear in informal talk, I believe; the same applies even more so to Dutch noch.
 
I'd say that in a conversation, starting a sentence with "ni" is when you pick up on a previous remark.
 
Yeah... doesn't that apply to nor too?
 
3:34 AM
If you avoid longer sentences, you cut a "ni...ni" in two. Better way to catch the attention of the listener.
 
I understand.
But would you hear ni... ni, say, in a factory?
 
A little bit ugly but common :"Ni non plus chez le dentiste"
Probably not frequent (factory).
 
Three words where one would do, nice.
I don't think you would hear nor there either, nor noch.
 
But since it's the only correct way to say "pas ... ou pas ...", even in a factory you can hear it.
 
Hmm ok.
Something like aussi non isn't possible I guess...
 
3:37 AM
Just as you would hear "neither nor" in an English factory. "He neither arrives on time nor even says hello".
@Cerberus Correct.
 
Exactly. Or even nor ever, I think...
I'd rather expect something like me neither.
Just neither at the end of the second clause.
 
In Dutch, noch...noch is nearly archaic.
I might use it occasionally; but most people would never.
 
I had never thought f German "noch" as English "nor". To me it's more like "still".
 
We'd mostly say *niet...EN niet ...".
 
3:40 AM
By the way, speaking of Dutch...
 
Ah, yes, it is different in German: isn't it noch ... entweder...?
 
Yes in that way, yes.
I was more in the usage "Er ist noch nicht gekommen".
He hasn't arrived "jetz".
 
Oh, no, it is weder... noch....
Yeah, that is a very different noch; in Dutch, that one is spelled nog.
 
And "entweder .. oder"
 
Right.
I was confusing those.
Nog is like encore.
 
3:42 AM
But pronouced /nox/ right ?
 
Yes, they sound exactly the same.
G is always /x/.
Except after n or in foreign words.
 
/nɔx/
 
Hmm isn't that a long o? It should be short.
 
As in groentesoep
 
Ehh no...
Oe is /u/.
 
3:45 AM
;-) I was talking about "g"
 
Oh! Yes.
G and ch sound identical.
We don't have /g/ at all, nor sh as in shellfish.
 
Regarding the question about the "tongue", I've discovered that Dutch passed from tunga (oudN) to tonghe as well (mnl)
Could it be also under French influence ?
You know Flanders and the Burgundy domination ?
 
Hmm... quite possible; but I think many Germanic languages lost all kinds of a's?
All of the Netherlands were Burgundian...
The infinitive used to end in -an, is now -en.
> Cognaten: Oudhoogduits zunga, Middelhoogduits zunge, Nieuwhoogduits Zunge, Oudfries tunge.
 
I'm speaking about passing from /ˈtʊŋɡa/ to /tʌŋgɘ/
The ʊ to ʌ part
 
I suspect that the a just disappeared in most of the Germanic dialects/languages at some time during the Middle Ages... but I am not sure.
Oh!
Was the o pronounced /ʌ/, really?
 
3:51 AM
;-) Not sure at all.
but the spelling passed from un to on for sure.
Since the mainstream explanation is the Norman scribe in MidEnglish I was baffled to find the same in Dutch.
 
Actually the pronunciation of a for o in the Middle Ages might be dialectical; I have seen it in manuscripts.
 
But the shift seems to have happened around the same time.
What about u to o ?
mnl. tunge ‘tong (lichaamsdeel)’ [1240; Bern.], dietsche tonghe ‘volkstaal’ [1265-70; VMNW]
 
> Aangetroffen spelling: tonge(-) (10x), tonghe(-) (44x), tunge(-) (3x), t᨜nge(-) (7x)

Spreiding: De vorm tunge (3x) is Limburgs (2x) en Nederrijns (1x), de vorm t᨜nge (7x) is Nederrijns.
(The above is about early middle Dutch.)
 
See : 44 for tonghe. same spelling as in Middle English !!!
nearly same time
yes. AFAIK middle Dutch starts ca 1200.
What is your source URL for this kind of quantitative data ?
 
The WNT just gives it. Or actually the MNW. Same reader.
So what exactly is your hypothesis and the link with French?
 
4:01 AM
French doesn't have any /ʌŋ/ so they don't know how to write it the best they can do is "oun".
or "oungn"
really outlandish!
 
Haha...
 
so they might massage it into "ong"
 
Okay, I can follow that, so...
 
but the arms of Norman scribes can't reach over the English channel to Amsterdam.
 
Okay, so the English got their pronunciation from French through those scribes; and you are speculating about a similar influence having affected Dutch?
 
4:04 AM
On the other hand "Philippe le Bon", "Charles le Téméraire" were refined rulers with a long retinue and many scribes and miniaturists
Yes - is that a known possibility or am I dreaming awake?
 
Which Philippe le Bon? Of France, 14th century?
So what is the French word that this would all be based on?
 
Philip the Bald - Philip the Good - Charles the Bold
That 's too late. You're right.
 
Of Burgundy, right?
 
OK.
 
4:07 AM
Way too late.
 
I always confuse those guys... there's also Philippe le Bon of Habsburg...
 
Isn"t that the Beau
the one who married Jeanne la folle and sired Charles V
 
At any rate, I still don't completely understand all your parellels, and I have never heard of tong's being pronounced with /ʌ/ in Middle Dutch, though it could be right. But the development from spelling u to o happens in various Lower-German regions/dialects, not just those bordering on France.
@AlainPannetier Uh, yes! I confused Bon and Beau.
Le Beau is also the one I meant of France.
Silly names.
 
You kust kicked into my house of cards. but better earlier rather than later ;-)
 
Hehe.
 
4:12 AM
You have Philippe le Bel (burned the templars - bel means actually tall), Jean le bon (bon means brave on the battle field - albeit hardly successful), Philippe le Bon (Burgundy), Philippe le Beau (Habsburg - this time handsome). Confusing ????
 
@AlainPannetier Wow! I had no idea Bel meant tall; we call that guy de Schone, = Beau in Dutch.
Alemannisch has the o in tonga as well, so...
 
I think I'll leave it there. This apple is too high in the tree for my short arms.
 
Oh, and I also didn't have any idea that Bon meant brave... good to know! Is that a regular meaning of the word in modern French?
 
Still need to drop calcium tablets in my water.
 
In Dutch, we use Goede for Bon, but that just means "good".
 
4:15 AM
I know it from my "let's sleep in the Louvre years"
 
@AlainPannetier OK, have a good day!
Is that a book?
 
I'm not off.
 
Oh ok... well, I should go to bed, hehe.
 
I was speaking about the un => on
Have a good night then ;-)
Jean II de France, dit Jean le Bon, (né le au château du Gué de Maulny du Mans - mort à Londres le ), fils du roi Philippe VI et de son épouse Jeanne de Bourgogne, fut roi de France de 1350 à 1364, second souverain issu de la maison capétienne de Valois. Il est sa­cré roi de France le 26 septembre 1350. Le règne de Jean II le Bon est marqué par la défiance du pays envers les Valois choisis à la mort de Charles IV pour éviter qu'Édouard III, le plus proche descendant de Philippe le Bel ne prenne possession du trône de France. La nouvelle dynastie, confrontée à la crise de la féodalité, ...
 
You encountered un=> on in a period where you spent a lot of time in the Louvre?
 
4:18 AM
John II (16 April 1319 – 8 April 1364), called John the Good (), was the King of France from 1350 until his death. He was the second sovereign of the House of Valois and is perhaps best remembered as the king who was vanquished at the Battle of Poitiers and taken as a captive to England. The son of Philip VI and Joan the Lame, John became the Count of Anjou, Count of Maine, and Duke of Normandy in 1332. He was created Count of Poitiers in 1344, Duke of Aquitaine in 1345, and Duke of Burgundy (as John I) from 1361 to 1363. By his marriage to Joanna I, Countess of Auvergne and Boulogne, he...
 
Ah, très compliqué...
Alors, bonne journée!
 
No, that's one of the earliest French paintings and it opens the French painting collection in the Louvre.
Bye...
 
disparu... dag!
 
 
7 hours later…
11:15 AM
Mission 27 83% complete, any my deck doesn't work reliably anymore. I am trying other cards and wasting energy and time. Argghh.
 
Lemme see.
Oh well.
 
My last try… Almost beat the enemy, but not enough to frigging complete the mission.
 
I must say I found Infected Grunts to be extremely useless.
 
Yeah well, at least they weaken the enemy cards.
 
And three of them in the same deck... I dunno.
 
11:22 AM
I can't think of a replacement for them I have in my card storage.
 
The enemy has tons of leech and heal, though.
 
Yup.
 
So weakening them is merely postponing your death, not preventing it.
 
My remaining leeches are all slow.
 
I must say I'd rather try Ravager. Slow as he is, if he survives he will wreak havoc.
 
11:24 AM
Bonestalker x3, Ravager x3, Sanguiphage x3, Enclave Parasite, Draco queen
 
Also, you still don't have any hatchets? That sucks.
 
No, I don't.
 
Bonestalker sure looks more promising than grunts.
 
So replace infected grunts with a ravager?
Or a ravager and 2 bonestalkers?
Or a ravager and a bonestalker?
Oh, and I am not sure my ravager is going to survive…
 
Yeah, something like that.
Just make sure that you play the ravager not too early
Try to get like two cards ahead, then play him.
So they can only attack him on the third turn at best.
When he's ready to get activated.
 
11:29 AM
I probably should throw Moloch off the deck too
 
I never used him, so I dunno how helpful he is.
 
Not very.
Yeah, two ravagers did it.
And got a Reaper for mission completion. Meh.
Level 7, energy restored, gotta try Mission 28 now.
(Which, coincidentally, has a Hatchet as a reward.)
Well, those cards are too strong.
Heh, Speedy Swamps & Overkill just because I got lucky with my deck shuffling
And no hatchets again now that I have bought a Gold set. >_<
What's an Enclave Champion?
 
Oh sorry, was busy posting on meta.
K wut gives?
 
I got some cards I know to be useless and an Enclave Champion, about which I have no idea.
 
11:44 AM
@Vitaly Hm. Perhaps that's the problem? I'm not sure if you can only get certain cards after "unlocking" them by getting them as a reward.
 
I am not sure that's the case for all cards.
 
I don't remember when or how I got my first Hatchet.
Nah, not all.
But you can't buy Stealthy Niaq, for example, until you actually have one.
 
Hm.
 
And Hatchet is gold, after all.
Not a common card.
But yeah, I dunno for sure.
 
Wow, I have just beat a draco queen that got activated.
 
11:46 AM
Grats!
 
Thnx.
 
Now just wait till you beat your first 11-health card. That'll be satisfying, I'm tellinya.
You'll encounter them pretty soon, actually.
 
I am sure I beat a heck of a lot commanders already.
 
It's just a pity how many commanders are utterly useless.
I was so excited about getting the Butcher. Have I ever used him? Not once. Have I seen anybody else use him? I don't think so!
Hey @MrDisappointment, why's your gravatar so blurry today?
 
@RegDwight @Cerberus I got the heads up on the surrender protocol, thanks.
 
11:49 AM
Oh now it no longer is blurry.
Strange.
 
Hm, not sure @RegDwight. I didn't see it.
 
Ok, now I lost against activated draco queen and abomination. Meh.
 
I shouldn't have came here. Now I'm jealous.
 
I noticed that the enemy played infected grunts first, though.
 
@MrDisappointment How so?
 
11:52 AM
@RegDwight Because you're all talking away regarding (and probably playing) the game; meanwhile I'm tasked with having to create a reusable control to adhere to this new EU cookie legislation. Draaaaaag.
But, the company is probably worth it.
 
Well yeah. We could use your support in the war that's on right now. I don't see a way for us to use your control though. :P
 
Oh my stars! Even Vitaly, the normally peace-loving insect-fancier has been sucked into your warmongering!
 
See, that is how good the game is. Even atheists like it!
Then again, if we consider @Vitaly a militant atheist...
He probably imagines he's fighting Christians or Bönians or what have you.
 
Kit
Hup.
 
Wow, and now it's @Kit's gravatar that is blurry.
And now it's sharp.
 
Kit
11:58 AM
Weird.
But I was the one who's been drinking.
Now that's a weird sentence.
 
Yeah, we've had that question a while ago that it should actually be "I was the one who have been drinking".
I never understood the reasoning.
 

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