The 2nd Monitor

Jeroen Vannevel

18:00

but yes, scrapped

Dan Lyons

out and ref are evil anyways :|

TopinFrassi

especially ref

Dan Lyons

I get rid of them whenever I can, and I could take out a large number of out parameters if I ever got first-class tuples :)

A Red Herring

And the best bit is a "fix" my boss suggested today involved ref

Malachi

interrupting Chicken

A Red Herring

18:05

the "fix" was to fix the fact they pass around a context object throughout an entire application

|:

context objects are evil

Dan Lyons

if the object is a class, and you just want to mutate it, ref is not required

A Red Herring

@DanLyons oh no, I know that.

I can't remember whether the type was a struct or whether he just doesn't know object passing semantics

given that no one knows hwo to correctly apply an interface, I'd say it's probably the latter

Mat's Mug

@DanLyons I so read that as "if the object is a class, and you just want to mutilate it, "

rolfl

@durron597 at a docs office...

Ismael Miguel

@Mat'sMug TS :/

RubberDuck

18:08

Omg.... why is it so hard to redirect a 404 in MVC???

Ismael Miguel

Lack of .htaccess?

durron597

@rolfl I made minor changes to your answer of my question, but then I made bigger changes which I thought were a substantial enough difference to warrant a second post on main. Others will answer (I hope!) don't worry about it.

A Red Herring

@RubberDuck what do you mean, redirect a 404?

Jeroen Vannevel

@RubberDuck I don't think it should be

A Red Herring

redirect to 404 or display a custom 404 error?

because both of those are pretty trivial

The only gotcha is custom 404 errors - for some reason - are handled by IIS and not MVC

Ismael Miguel

18:09

I think he meant to redirect to a 404 page with the 404 error

Mat's Mug

IIS

rolfl

I don't stress over those things ;)

A Red Herring

one day I dream that microsoft will become less stable and the unix overlords will take over. down with c#

and .net

and visual studio. and especially TFS

Ismael Miguel

I forgot what TFS means :/

A Red Herring

Team Frustration Server.

Dan Lyons

18:11

try finding something [else]?

A Red Herring

it's so bad

Ismael Miguel

What's that for?

A Red Herring

I modified and saved a file

pressed "check in changes" and it was like

there are no changes to check in. :)))))

Ismael Miguel

Nice!

Dan Lyons

my team tried it for two weeks at the behest of other teams in the company, then moved to git and never looked back

Captain Obvious

18:12

0

Q: Simple GUI for selecting "positive" images for Cascade Classifier analysis

I wrote a simple GUI applications to help me select 'positive' regions of a bunch of photos for the purpose of training an object detectir using OpenCV Haar Cascades. For training purposes, you need a series of 'positive' images which show the kind of item you want, closely cropped, and then yo...

A Red Herring

I had to manually add the file via command line for it to check it in..

Ismael Miguel

Source-control?

A Red Herring

@IsmaelMiguel it's basically a Microsoft's SVN, if you've ever used SVN.

Ismael Miguel

Nope

A Red Herring

OK well basically, its centrallised version control.

TopinFrassi

18:12

I used TFS for 3 years, found it pretty good

A Red Herring

there's a central server which is the 'source of truth'.

Ismael Miguel

The only source-control thing I use and used is Github and Bitbucket

A Red Herring

In order to alter a file you must first contact the server to check that file out

then you get a 'lock' on that file which can be exclusive (for some reason the ythought this was a good feature) or it's not exclusive - anyone can modify it

Ismael Miguel

That sounded weird in my mind...

Dan Lyons

@IsmaelMiguel be glad you never suffered the dark ages of SourceSafe, because with it, your source wasn't

A Red Herring

18:13

branching is a pain in the ass and merging is awful

Ismael Miguel

@DanLyons Never heard of it

TopinFrassi

@DanLyons That was something

A Red Herring

I'm sure it is a good solution to some people, but if you've ever had the freedom to use git, TFS leaves much to be desired.

git does pretty much everything better than TFS, the only thing git doesn't do is have a centrallised server, which I guess poses a security risk for some companies.

Mat's Mug

@IsmaelMiguel should be bundled in your Visual Studio 6.0 box

Dan Lyons

you can set up a central git server if you want, though

TopinFrassi

18:14

Oh Git sure is awesome, but TFS isn't that bad either IMO

Ismael Miguel

@Mat'sMug Didn't notice

Dan Lyons

you're not required to, but it's possible

A Red Herring

@DanLyons no, you can't - not in the sense of TFS.

git has no notion of "central server"

it only has repositories

Dan Lyons

it does have a notion of origins, though

set up a server, have everyone point to the same origin, and bam, central server

A Red Herring

No but the difference is with TFS you only have that one server and you can only push to that one server

with git you can just add another remote (github) and push to that with no one to stop you

Dan Lyons

18:16

but as long as your CI system points to the one origin, it's still a de facto central server

Ismael Miguel

Wait

With TFS you can't have replication?

And fail-over servers?

A Red Herring

No, I get that functionally, it's the same, but the idea that malicious employees could push to any given server might be a risk to companies - and why they prefer a TFS box over a git one because its so easy to push to a random server on git.

TopinFrassi

Sounds like not so important arguing ATM, should we change subject?

A Red Herring

I don't really think this is an argument :S

@IsmaelMiguel it might do but if it does, I haven't seen the ability to do so

Ismael Miguel

@ARedHerring Why does that exist?

BURN IT!

A Red Herring

18:18

@IsmaelMiguel as I said, it might be good

for some values of might and some values of good

but it is just blown out of the water by git in my opinion

Zak

The coffee machine just exploded on me :(

Ismael Miguel

But if the central server dies, bye bye code

A Red Herring

@Zak :-(

Zak

well, near me

Ismael Miguel

@Zak That must hurt

Zak

18:19

fortunately, I was unharmed

Ismael Miguel

Lucky

A Red Herring

@IsmaelMiguel that's the risk with every CVS, depending on how up to date each individual person's repo is. shrug.

TopinFrassi

@IsmaelMiguel TFS can be replicated

Ismael Miguel

Today I was almost ran over

Jeroen Vannevel

@RubberDuck still need help with that error redirect?

Mat's Mug

18:19

@Zak before or after you got your coffee?

Ismael Miguel

Yesterday I was almost killed (ran over)

@TopinFrassi Really?

Zak

@Mat'sMug before

Mat's Mug

Aww

Zak

@IsmaelMiguel how?

TopinFrassi

@IsmaelMiguel Yeah, idk how, but it was replicated when I was working with it in enterprise. What kind of source control cannot be replicated?!? :p

Zak

18:21

@Mat'sMug On the plus side, I cleaned it out, reset it and it *appears to be functioning normally again

so, coffee :)

Also, hot chocolate :)

Ismael Miguel

@Zak I was crossing the street. I looked to the right and there weren't any cars coming. I looked to the left and there was a guy that almost hit me. And when I was going to cross the road, a guy shows randomly in the middle of the road!!! If I wasn't there, there would be a nasty accident.

@TopinFrassi Bad source control?

Zak

And not that weak, watery sachet/pod hot chocolate either

TopinFrassi

Yeah, but who would use a bad source control. That like, the most important thing you need when you work

Ismael Miguel

Why would you use TFS?

Zak

Proper Cadburys, milk and Nutella hot chocolate

enderland

18:23

enderland works with an ETL tool that has a terribad source control

IntensifierDescriptorMan

My feelings towards JavaScript constantly swing between
> huh, this is a lot nicer that I though
to
> OMG! I HATE JAVASCRIPT! WHY DO I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS!!!!

Zak

@ARedHerring ^^ TS ∞

TopinFrassi

@IsmaelMiguel Why not? It's working pretty well, as full integration with Visual Studio, a pretty cool web portal to see what's going on and is pretty good a keeping your sources in control. :p

Zak

@IntensifierDescriptorMan that too :)

Ismael Miguel

@IntensifierDescriptorMan TS :(

A Red Herring

18:24

> It's working pretty well,

for some values of well

either that or everyone in my company is doing TFS wrong

which is, of course, an option

Mat's Mug

for some values of *pretty

TopinFrassi

Well, that might be the case!

A Red Herring

up until recently they were using it as a document portal.

but, given that we are a global company

Ismael Miguel

@TopinFrassi Based on the complaints, people hate it

A Red Herring

I doubt they are that inept

TFS is mainly awful because VS is bloated and you have to use TFS with VS if you want to maintain your sanity

TopinFrassi

18:25

@IsmaelMiguel Based on the complaints, everyone hates everything :p

Dan Lyons

@IntensifierDescriptorMan wtfjs.com :)

A Red Herring

I have to use Visual Studio to write JavaScript and that's just wrong.

Zak

@ARedHerring I dunno, my impression's always been that the bigger ones are easier places for incompetence to hide

A Red Herring

I don't need a 600mb IDE to write JavaScript.

Ismael Miguel

@TopinFrassi Nobody hates more things than me.

TopinFrassi

18:26

@ARedHerring That is true. I wouldn't use TFS without VS, the integration might be too strong. But I'm only doing C#, so VS is kinda mandatory

Hosch250

@TopinFrassi VS supports Git too.

TopinFrassi

@Hosch250 Ugh, I tried it. Maybe I was doing it wrong but I didn't like the experience.

A Red Herring

@Hosch250 yep. however, if your company has experience with TFS and not git.... and likes microsoft too much

Ismael Miguel

@ARedHerring I use Notepad++ for that

Dan Lyons

@Hosch250 just remember to patch before trying to use github with it ;)

Zak

18:27

can somebody give me 1 (just one) question upvote so I can have 555 rep, please :)

Mat's Mug

lol

Ismael Miguel

I WILL VOTE!

A Red Herring

@IsmaelMiguel I can't, because we need to use VS to compile our TypeScript... if you try and compile the TypeScript we have outside of VS it will fail.

TopinFrassi

@Zak Once I asked someone to downvote me so I could get 1337 rep points, I got upvoted D: ahah

A Red Herring

Why? Because VS has this weird quirk that makes every TS file reference every other TS file.

Mat's Mug

18:28

Welcome to OCD-voting @Zak!

Hosch250

@IsmaelMiguel I beat you.

Ismael Miguel

@Hosch250 Dang it

Hosch250

Zak, London, United Kingdom

560 1 19

excel vba performance array beginner c# data-structures

A Red Herring

This is akin to having every C# class reference every other C# class in a solution, btw.

Zak

it's cool, I got a screenshot

Hosch250

18:29

I unbeat you:

Zak, London, United Kingdom

560 1 19

excel vba performance array beginner c# data-structures

Hmm, it says 555.

Zak, London, United Kingdom

560 1 19

excel vba performance array beginner c# data-structures

Zak

guys, please don't have a voting war over my rep :)

Hosch250

#IBlameCaching

2

TopinFrassi

Maybe profiles are cached

@Hosch250 high five

Zak

Now, onwards! to 666!

Hosch250

I like 1111 better.

Zak

18:30

or, how about OVER NINE THOUSAND!

Dan Lyons

777

Hosch250

I'm not superstitious over 666, though, either.

I need to get to 11,111.

Zak

wooo, I'm the last guy in the office now. Time for some real music

TopinFrassi

Eh, you can be sure I won't be the last one leaving on a Friday

Zak

Also, someone got a hold of my card details yesterday. Apparently, my bank caught almost all of the suspicious traffic. one £25 order to Dominoes did go through though.

Damn you you pizza-stealing thieves!

2

Jamal

18:35

Hm. Two checkmarks for in one day for older answers, one being a Naruto (so far).

Hosch250

Deleted because that isn't very nice :(

I need to work on being nicer.

Zak

oh cool, chat has emoji support

💀

Hosch250

Does it have animated emoji support?

Zak

only one way to find out

Captain Obvious

0

Q: PHP script to connect to MySQL database using PDO

Introduction I am preparing to use a basic script to cover how you can connect to a MySQL database using PDO. This script is meant for educational purposes (introductory class on PHP/MySQL) and does of course not cover all security aspects of database connections. Points of focus Conformity t...

php mysql security pdo database

Mat's Mug

18:37

😨

Ismael Miguel

☺☻

Hosch250

Apparently it does.

Jeroen Vannevel

What have you done

Ismael Miguel

Nice

@Hosch250 Perfect reaction for the Rebecca Black video

3

Hosch250

@IsmaelMiguel OK, I'll remember.

Ismael Miguel

18:43

Practice session:

Friday - Rebecca Black - Official Music Video

►

Hosch250

@IsmaelMiguel Practice response ^^

Ismael Miguel

Perfect!

Frame it, make a gif and you won the internet

Hosch250

animated-smileys.com/animated-smileys-puking

There are more there.

Ismael Miguel

Nice!

Hosch250

Everybody bookmark that so it is handy.

A Red Herring

18:45

1,676,475 dislikes.. ouch

another useful link, by the way.. imgur.com/gallery/P2A4PB6

why not zoidberg?

(/) (°,,°) (/)

Phrancis

@IsmaelMiguel ლ(ಠ_ಠლ) -- whyyyy...?

Ismael Miguel

@Phrancis Because I wanted to see that reaction

Hosch250

@Phrancis That's the wrong reaction.

Ismael Miguel

And because:
"Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend"

@Hosch250 No, thank you

Hosch250

That's supposed to be the second puke smiley posted.

Ismael Miguel

18:55

Yeah, pretty gross actually

Hosch250

LOL, yeah.

IntensifierDescriptorMan

I think I just officially became a part of CR. No moar stars :(

2

Hosch250

Maybe we should make a room for Rebecca Black and puke smileys.

Ismael Miguel

Please, don't

TopinFrassi

@IntensifierDescriptorMan I'M AOS too now D:

A Red Herring

19:01

hhahaha i'm not out of stars yet.

(/) (°,,°) (/) now zoidberd has all of the power

Mat's Mug

sorry to poop the party, but I hereby declare animated puking emoticons illegal in this room.

Hosch250

:(

A Red Herring

@Mat'sMug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ good riddance

TopinFrassi

@Mat'sMug That's a legit call

Hosch250

That is not a legal democratic process.

You have to create a meta post.

Mat's Mug

19:07

I dare you to create it ;-)

Hosch250

Alright.

Or would you like to compromise and ban Rebecca Black too?

We can set up a room for Rebecca Black and the puke smileys.

TopinFrassi

In Mat's defense, Rebecca doesn't puke on our screens... :p

Phrancis

^^ ++

Hosch250

@Phrancis Is that for TopicFrassi or me?

Phrancis

It's for @TopinFrassi :)

@Hosch250 You should try PorkChat, not only does it make SE chat better, but it also hides Rebecca Black links

Zak

19:12

Right, TTQW

The weekend is here!

Mat's Mug

@Phrancis it also treats all hyperlinks as "WARNING: Link to Rebecca Black video"

later @Zak

Phrancis

@Mat'sMug Yes, beautiful isn't it?

~back to XQuery~

Mat's Mug

ok I'll totally come off as a major nerd, but I just totally read "beautiful isn't it" as "suteki da ne" from Final Fantasy X

Hosch250

Well, apparently it seems we are agreed (and I really don't care, I was mostly kidding about the meta post).

TopinFrassi

That makes no sense, it's time for you to go home, ahah

Hosch250

19:15

No more animated puke smileys in chat.

TopinFrassi

...

Ismael Miguel

This is making me feel weird...

Phrancis

@Mat'sMug <3 Final Fantasy

Mat's Mug

@Hosch250 FWIW, that was kick-worthy

Hosch250

@Mat'sMug Sorry.

Phrancis

19:18

(though I have not played X much)

Hosch250

But I don't see how - I wasn't breaking any rules.

Phrancis

@Hosch250 nice-people-room?

TopinFrassi

what does fwiw stand for?

Hosch250

For What It's Worth.

Ismael Miguel

@TopinFrassi For What Is Worth?

Hosch250

19:19

(I had to look it up.)

Mat's Mug

for what it's worth, FWIW means "for what it's worth".

Ismael Miguel

I used my brain

TopinFrassi

Thanks guys!

Ismael Miguel

You're welcome

TopinFrassi

@IsmaelMiguel Are you implying something?

Hosch250

19:20

Apparently, there are no more puke smileys allowed in this room, if I almost got kicked for a banned non-animated puke smiley.

Mat's Mug

@TopinFrassi that he has a brain

Ismael Miguel

@TopinFrassi Yes. That my brain didn't failed me this time

Only by 2 bytes

Hosch250

Wouldn't I make a good politician? :P

Mat's Mug

or lawyer

Ismael Miguel

Or a nice guy

TopinFrassi

19:21

Fine by me. :p

Hosch250

I'm going driving for the first time in several weeks. See you later.

Ismael Miguel

And bring me a beer, please

Mat's Mug

TopinFrassi

@Hosch250 good lulck

Ismael Miguel

@Mat'sMug What do you need to have 100?

Hosch250

19:22

@IsmaelMiguel I'm a Tea Totaller. No beers.

Mat's Mug

@IsmaelMiguel one more question

Ismael Miguel

@Hosch250 Beer is made with "erbs", same as tea. Beer = tea!

@Mat'sMug I can give you an idea to ask ome

Oh God, my head

Mat's Mug

7 mins ago, by Ismael Miguel

I used my brain

@IsmaelMiguel it hurt?

;-)

Ismael Miguel

Since wednesday

I can't even bend to pick up something that fell

I feel my head crushing

I haven't slept anything because my head hurts.
My head hurts because I haven't slept anything.

Mat's Mug

have a large glass of water

TopinFrassi

19:29

1 solution, beer.

Or water...

Ismael Miguel

I drank 1.5l of water in 1 hour

Well, 20 minutes

Mat's Mug

soon it's your bladder that's going to hurt

Ismael Miguel

I drank it 3 hours ago

*4

5

yeah, 5 hours ago

@TopinFrassi And yes, a beer would be welcome

TopinFrassi

Yeah, or 2, or (for ;;;){beerCount++};

Ismael Miguel

5 would be alright

More than that and I burp like a frog

I might end up buying some black vodka and shove it down a bottle of coke

TopinFrassi

19:36

Today was an ok day, it's my first week of internship and I found 10-12 bugs. (Though the application is actually being refactored because there's many bugs, so that's nothing amazingly high)

Ismael Miguel

Define "amazingly high"

IntensifierDescriptorMan

@TopinFrassi Today's the last day of my internship 0 bugs* here

RubberDuck

@JeroenVannevel sorry. I had a meeting. I just want to replace the default IIS error page with a custom 404 page and I've no idea how to make work.

I'm just stumbling around the internet.

Jeroen Vannevel

hold on

I've got the 4 lines of code ready

but I'm ingame

Put this in your web.config:

<customErrors mode="Off" defaultRedirect="~/Error/General">
  <error statusCode="404" redirect="~/Error/Http404" />
</customErrors>

And create a controller like this:

    public class ErrorController : BootstrapBaseController {
        public ActionResult HTTP404() {
            return View();
        }

        public ActionResult General() {
            return View();
        }

        public ActionResult Validation() {
            return View();
        }
    }

Mat's Mug

IIRC it can be done directly from within IIS

but don't quote me on that

Jeroen Vannevel

19:42

I don't want to touch IIS

RubberDuck

How is that different from this?

<httpErrors defaultResponseMode="Redirect" defaultPath="~/Errors/" errorMode="Custom">
  <remove statusCode="404"/>
  <error statusCode="404" path="NotFound404.cshtml"/>
</httpErrors>

Ismael Miguel

4

Q: Set up custom 404 page in IIS 7 for HTML pages

I have my website in .htm extension and the server is IIS 7. I have now design custom 404 page. Now can anyone suggest me, how to implement custom 404 page by web.config.

iis-7 http-status-code-404

Will this work?

Jeroen Vannevel

try mine out first and see if it works -- maybe it's an MVC 4/5 thing

RubberDuck

Where do I put it?

Jeroen Vannevel

web.config

system.web subsection

Mat's Mug

19:44

@RubberDuck the path maybe? or the extension? (does IIS serve .cshtml? isn't .cshtml the C# view code?)

eh, smoke break. I know nothing of web, I don't know why I'm talking.

Ismael Miguel

forums.iis.net/t/1023695.aspx?Custom+404+error+page

What about this?

RubberDuck

Nope.

Ismael Miguel

I hereby request permission to say c*ck

Jeroen Vannevel

mine didn't work?

RubberDuck

Nuh uh.

Ismael Miguel

19:47

Goddingus!

IntensifierDescriptorMan

I'm pretty sure at one point I set up a 404 page the same way @JeroenVannevel described.

hiaku and everything

Jeroen Vannevel

I took that code straight from an old project of mine -- I'm sure it used to work

though as I said -- that's MVC 4

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