The 2nd Monitor

Mat's Mug

22:02

Nice!

@sim but for a Fraction value type that I'd like to work well with any float?

Simon André Forsberg

@Mat'sMug The problem with "any float" is that all floats are not really fractions.

sqrt(2) for example, can be represented as a float. But how would your Fraction class represent it?

Mat's Mug

@SimonAndréForsberg 141/100

Svante

Hej Simon!

Mat's Mug

hey @Svante! Welcome to The 2nd Monitor!

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante Hej Svante, min Svenska vän! Finally some more Swedes around here!

Svante

22:13

@SimonAndréForsberg Not alot of swedeish people here?

Simon André Forsberg

@Mat'sMug Well, if you only take the first two digits into consideration, then how would you represent 1 / 11 if it is given to you as a float?

Svante

swedish*

@SimonAndréForsberg Am i allowed to speak swedish here or is it english only? :p

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante Nope, I am the only site regular that I know of. There seems to have been another Swedish regular around here earlier, but he's not active anymore:

Guffa, Sweden

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c# javascript jquery java optimization performance strings

Svante

Ah okey

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante In a way, it's more polite to speak English here but you can slänga in en och annan svensk mening här och där :P

Svante

22:15

@SimonAndréForsberg Okej, det är ju bra ^^

@SimonAndréForsberg Where in sweden do you live Simon?

Mat's Mug

@sim I guess I could make the precision configurable

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante Uddevalla, on the west coast

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Okey, im from north west of skåne ^^ Like almost in Halland

Simon André Forsberg

@Mat'sMug Suggestion: Look for repeating digits in the fraction part, if there are a sequence that gets repeated over and over again, then it can be represented as a true fraction. I don't know if it's worth implementing that though :)

@Svante Almost in Denmark, you mean ;)

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Haha fu xD

@SimonAndréForsberg I actullay don't speak så grov skånska ;)

Simon André Forsberg

22:19

Sorry, just had to get it out of my system :) I do like some parts of Skåne. I'm quite fascinated by the different dialects there are in Skåne. It's really not just one dialect...

Svante

Haha ^^ I'm from the parts that don't speak like we have something stuck in our throat ^^

But actually it kinda deppends on the parents i think since some people i know speak really grov skånska and some people i know don't and all of the people are from the same place :p

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante As long as I don't have to listen to Lund-skånska, I'm good :)

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Haha, nah don't worry ;)

nhgrif

Does this need to be migrated:

1

Q: Test string for C#ness or VBness

What would be a halfway reliable way to determine whether a string represents VB.NET or C# code? It doesn't have work in all cases so an algorithm that's right more than 50% of the time is better than nothing. I came up with the following, but it's pretty darn primitive. public static Expressio...

c# vb.net string

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Are you a hobby programmer, professional or studying?

Simon André Forsberg

22:28

@nhgrif Doesn't seem to be a very good fit for CR I think. I say leave it there.

@Svante Both hobby and professional.

And what about you @Svante?

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Hobby, didn't you see may really bad written code? ^^

Simon André Forsberg

We're all beginners at some point :)

May I ask, @Svante, how did you find Code Review? What made you come here?

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg I searched for code review on google since i wanted someone else then myself to take a look at my code ^^

2

Mat's Mug

Sounds like a good way ;)

Simon André Forsberg

Svante

22:33

Hahaha xD That's me ;)

When everyone looks at my code ;)

Mat's Mug

Haha TS

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Is this the chatroom you usally chat in or do you use different chat rooms?

rolfl

@nhgrif feel free to post an opposing answer

In fact, I would encourage you to.

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante This is the best chatroom. There is no need for any others.

@rolfl Seems like @nhgrif Has already removed most of the NS-specific tags.

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Haha okey ^^ Is there some age limit here?

Simon André Forsberg

22:37

@Svante Not really that I know of. We have a quite decent language in here, especially when compared to other chat rooms. How old are you?

rolfl

@Simon as I understand it, I think Jamal removed most of them

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Uhm, i don't really want to tell since i don't want to lose respect from people ^^ Im not 12 though ;)

rolfl

Anyway, it's my dinner time

Mat's Mug

later @rolfl!

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante I think we all have a lot of respect for young coders. Many people here started when they were young. I personally started coding when I was 13/14.

Svante

22:39

@SimonAndréForsberg Okey, i'm 15 :p

Mat's Mug

I think I wrote my first line of Commodore BASIC when I was 12 or 13

Dagg Nabbit

^ same

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Is this acceptable usage of try/catch and database transactions?

I am using try/catch syntax in combination with a database transaction to {hopefully} prevent partial registrations. I am wondering if i'm on the right track, and what ways, if any i can improve my code. Here is an excerpt from my class AddNewUser that illustrates the question. public function ...

php exception-handling database-transactions

Jamal

@rolfl I don't think I've removed any myself.

Svante

Hehe, when i was 12 i wrote some visual basic code ^^

Simon André Forsberg

22:40

@Jamal I noticed you have removed one, but that's all I've been able to find so far.

@Jamal codereview.stackexchange.com/posts/20025/revisions

Svante

Are everyone here except me 18+ ? :3

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante I believe so, yes.

Svante

Oh

nhgrif

Some people are 18++.

Simon André Forsberg

At least the people in this chat room.

Svante

22:42

Well hope you're not gonna treat me any different

^^

Simon André Forsberg

Some ~~people~~ monkeys are even more than 18 * 2.

Svante

haha ^^

Dagg Nabbit

some bumblebees also

ckuhn203

We're programmers. All we respect is solid code and an open mind. =)

5

Jamal

@SimonAndréForsberg Oh yeah. I think that was one missed by nhgrif.

Svante

22:43

Good :-) My code may not be so good now but I'm working on making it better ^^

Simon André Forsberg

Some people are rapidly approaching 15 * 2. :(

@Jamal :

Currently there's only one remaining. codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/20025/… In chat, rolfl made the argument that tags should be about what the code is about, not how it is implemented. In this case, the code is about the NSString class. Opinions on this instance? — nhgrif yesterday

Svante

How old are you Simon? :p

29?

ckuhn203

Then you're in the right place @Svante.

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante One profile says it all:

Simon André Forsberg, Sweden

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Svante

Okey, 27 :)

Jamal

22:45

@SimonAndréForsberg I think I've already contributed a tad to this whole mess, so I'll stay out of it. I really don't have any expertise in it.

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante I bet you will learn a lot simply by sticking around. And vote. I hear you learn a lot by voting.

Svante

Good :D @ckuhn203

Mat's Mug

I'm an old mug :/

@sim lol

Simon André Forsberg

@Mat'sMug And yet you're only 4-5 years older than me.

Svante

How old are you Mug? :3 @Mat'sMug

Mat's Mug

22:46

Just turned 32.. last month :)

nhgrif

@SimonAndréForsberg Yeah. I left this comment after I removed every other NS tag. There was a comment agreeing with my comment, and then the NS tag was removed, without any disagreement that the tag should stay.

Svante

Well you're not that old ;) @Mat'sMug

ckuhn203

That's not old at all.

Simon André Forsberg

@nhgrif I'm blaming @Jamal. To me, that last tag on that question made sense but I was expecting more input on it.

Mat's Mug

I haven't seen the last two years fly by!

Jamal

22:48

@SimonAndréForsberg Like I said, I'll stay out of it now. As a mod, I don't really have to do anything.

ckuhn203

Oh. @Svante! You wrote the dog simulator! Very nice question.

Simon André Forsberg

@Jamal Yeah, we'll see what the response will be on meta. I will also not do anything for now.

@ckuhn203 With some very nice answers *cough*

Svante

Haha thank you @ckuhn203 :D!

Jamal

I'm already cleaning up google, which is enough for me. I think we're also done with our meta tags.

Svante

Haha yeah, I'm using youre answers to fix my code right now Simon ;) @SimonAndréForsberg

Do any of you guys that viewed my dog simulator code know anything pretty easy i can try to add? :p

Simon André Forsberg

22:51

@Svante Great. If you want, you can post a follow-up question later on to show off your changes and ask for another review.

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Oh, didn't know, I will probably do that :)

@SimonAndréForsberg When I'm going to change the yes/no answers from 1 and 2 to y and n, should i use the variable type char?

ckuhn203

[tag:napalm'd] @SimonAndréForsberg.

nhgrif

When I did Java, it seems like it was easier to just grab text as strings rather than as a char.

Svante

Thanks nhgrif! What language are your main?

is*

nhgrif

Objective-C.

ckuhn203

22:56

Oh. @Svante. Have you seen this?

24

Q: What's a Zombie? And what are the many other memes of Code Review?

What is a Zombie? Why are Code Reviewers so violent and talking about killing Zombies all the time? And what ammo are they talking about? What is a TS? What does RSA mean? And what other Code Review-specific memes are there? (As the number of memes grows and grows, and Malachi's wish to vote fo...

discussion fun

Simon André Forsberg

Yeah, it's a lot easier to grab text as strings.

Svante

No i haven't @ckuhn203 , I will read it now

okey thanks Simon!

Mat's Mug

@svante 1 more upvote on that CR memes post and @simon gets a silver badge on meta!

Jamal

Hm... do we need mobile?

Svante

CR? @Mat'sMug

ckuhn203

23:07

Code Review.

Mat's Mug

Code Review :)

Svante

okey ^^ Wich meme? The TS one?

Phrancis

Hello @everyone

Mat's Mug

hey @Phrancis!

Svante

Hello @Phrancis

Mat's Mug

23:08

@Svante are you familiar with the Stack Exchange network?

Phrancis

I'm still stuck on a stupid syntax error in MySQL, been losing sleep over it because it makes no sense

Svante

@Mat'sMug No, what's that?

ckuhn203

The question itself.

codereview.stackexchange.com/help/badges/41/good-question

Hey @Phrancis.

Svante

I think i upvoted the right thing now :) @ckuhn203

Mat's Mug

Stack Exchange (aka "SE") is a network of themed Q&A sites; it started with StackOverflow and grew to 100+ community-driven sites. Code Review is one of them.

Jamal

23:10

@chrisw What's your status on this question‌? If you have not fixed it yet, then I can refund the bounty.

Svante

Oh, i think i've been on some other SE before :p

I thought they were kinda the same website :3

Phrancis

Someone look this over and see if you can help? It makes no sense, I'm using syntax straight from the manual...

DELIMITER // -- Or another non-reserved character
DROP PROCEDURE IF EXISTS sp_PopulateFizzBuzz//
CREATE PROCEDURE sp_PopulateFizzBuzz
    (
    IN p_MaxNumber INT, -- for example 100
    IN p_Fizz INT,
    IN p_Buzz INT,
    IN p_Woof INT,
    IN p_Ping INT,
    IN p_Plop INT
    )
BEGIN
SET v_MaxNumber = p_MaxNumber;
SET v_Fizz = p_Fizz;
SET v_Buzz = p_Buzz;
SET v_Woof = p_Woof;
SET v_Ping = p_Ping;
SET v_Plop = p_Plop;
    /* bunch of code here that works fine */
-- end procedure sp_PopulateFizzBuzz

Mat's Mug

SE sites have some kind of a workflow - they start as a "proposal", they gather "followers" and people "commit" to a site, and it eventually launches a "private beta". If the site survives the "private beta" phase it goes into "public beta". This is where CR has been for the past 3 years.

Phrancis

dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-procedure.html

Svante

Okey @Mat'sMug , hope it dosen't dissappear :3

Mat's Mug

23:12

@Phrancis bunch of code here that works fine ends with a ;?

Svante

Is this Chat Room another thing?

Phrancis

@Mat'sMug yes it does

Mat's Mug

each site has a "main" chatroom; "The 2nd Monitor" is CR's

Svante

oh okey

Mat's Mug

each site also has a "meta" child site for discussing the site itself

Svante

23:13

Are you allowed to talk about anything here or do you need to stay on the subject=

Okey

Phrancis

@Svante you can talk about anything you like here.

Mat's Mug

in the chatroom? depends where conversations take us!

Svante

Okey, nice :) @Phrancis

If it's like nothing illeagal ^^

Phrancis

You can even say stuff like wtf-is-this-shit !

Svante

Haha good ^^

Mat's Mug

23:15

with moderation of course

Phrancis

Right.

Svante

okey

Mat's Mug

I'm one of the owners of this chatroom. @SimonAndréForsberg is also one.

Phrancis

You know if @Nobody ever finished his FizzBuzz in brainfuck @Mat'sMug ?

Mat's Mug

no clue

Svante

23:16

Oh, nice! Did you guys start the whole code review thing+

Mat's Mug

last thing I heard his brain was fried

5

Svante

?*

Mat's Mug

we didn't start it

but we happened to actually give it some kind of a rebirth

Svante

Nice :)

What kind of music are you guys listening to? :3 A bit of topic ^^

off*

Simon André Forsberg

@Svante We mostly talk about code, and the Code Review site in here, but other topics occur as well.... world-cup

Mat's Mug

23:18

I have reasons to believe this is what sparked it:

37

Q: Call of Duty - We're on a mission

This is a direct reply to Grace Note's recent CR review, more precisely the following part: (emphasis mine) Unanswered Tying in to all of the above is one of the most pressing concerns about the site I had in my own review, which is the gigantic pool of unanswered questions. There are, ...

discussion beta-progress unanswered-questions voting

(and Grace Note's CR review that immediately preceded this post, too)

that's when "zombie" was coined ;)

Svante

@SimonAndréForsberg Haha okey ^^

Simon André Forsberg

@Mat'sMug Yup.

As for now, TTGTB.

Mat's Mug

good night @SimonAndréForsberg!

Simon André Forsberg

I'm going to bed before a 15-year-old... i-am-getting-old

Mat's Mug

LOL

Svante

23:21

Haha @SimonAndréForsberg Goodnight ;)

@Mat'sMug What country are you from?

Mat's Mug

I'm in Eastern Canada, it's not even 7:30PM here :)

ckuhn203

He's from Mugsylvania.

2

Mat's Mug

I'm self-debating whether I should rename myself @Mat's Mugs when I get my new SE mug this week :)

Svante

Haha, it's 01:24 AM here ^^

Mat's Mug

maybe I shouldn't

Svante

23:24

Hmm, it sounds better with Mat's Mug

Mat's Mug

yeah

Donald.McLean

@Mat'sMug Why are you getting an SE mug?

Mat's Mug

82

Q: What happens when you plug a UPS into itself?

UPSey daisy; so we had a little ... incident ... Pretty sure that has power. We're past that now, and things are returning to normal. It's only appropriate that we take a moment to think about the folks that got pulled out of bed and worked their knuckles to the bone to get things back up and...

discussion community

more specifically:

:)

Svante

haha ^^

Where do you find this stuff? :p

ckuhn203

Idk @Phrancis. I can't spot it.

Mat's Mug

23:27

@Malachi is getting swag too

and 200 as well:

@Svante a link to that MSE post was posted right here on that day, and we participated - turned out all who participated, are getting SE swag!

Svante

Do you make them youreself=

?*

Mat's Mug

I made mine in MSPaint!

Svante

Haha ^^

Mat's Mug

if/when this site eventually graduates, we'll probably have contests on meta for CR swag :)

Svante

nice :)

Can i ask a coding question

?

Mat's Mug

23:31

sure!

Svante

When I'm going to check if a string is for exampel "y" in java, how do i do that?

Like when i check a integer i use the scanner and do exit = input.nextInt();

for exampel

Mat's Mug

if (myString == "y") { /* myString is "y" */ } ?

Svante

Oh sorry, i'm tired and wrote wrong

I meant

how do i let the user assign

what's going to be in the String

like exit = input.nextInt();

input is the scanner and exit is a variabel

variable*

Mat's Mug

you probably don't want to call nextInt() though

Svante

haha i know ^^

200_success

23:33

@Jamal mobile development comes with a special set of challenges, such as resource constraints and UI considerations. Lets's keep the tag.

Svante

I use it for integers

But don't know how to do it with strings :p

Mat's Mug

if there's a nextInt(), is there a nextChar()? or nextString()?

Jamal

@200_success Okay, I'll keep it for the rest. Some of those questions needed improvements anyway.

Svante

No, there's no nextString() :/

Mat's Mug

@Svante I'm a C# guy, I'd just to var input = Console.ReadLine().ToUpper() and compare that to "Y" :/

Svante

23:36

Hmm, no idea on how to do it in java, i will google it :)

Mat's Mug

it'll probably point you to Stack Overflow!

Phrancis

@Svante you can check with SimonAndréForsberg whenever he's here, he is a wizard with Java

Or just tag him now, he will see it next time he logs in

Mat's Mug

and if he has the SE mobile app running, he'll get a notification in like 30 minutes on his cell phone :D

Phrancis

@Mat'sMug it takes that long???

Mat's Mug

chat notifications are different; I get comments/answers notifications instantly, but chat pings take forever

Svante

23:39

Okey, thanks for the help guys!

I think i fixed it with exit = input.next();

But when i try to check it with if(exit=="n") it dosen't work :p

Phrancis

Time to fire up Reason and make some music. Got a project I'm doing for a guy who sings/raps... I was told to make it like a beach sounding hip hop... Then I sent him the file and he told me, "Oh, I was thinking something more like rockabilly like Beach Boys can you change it?" Ugh.

Svante

oh, your a music producer? :D

Mat's Mug

@Phrancis so producers too, can't seem to get their specs right the first time around?!

2

Phrancis

Not the first time he's done that either. I should charge him extra for having to refactor the whole song.

Mat's Mug

you should have done it the AGILE way ;)

Phrancis

23:42

@Svante yes check this out: psychoproductions.net/psycho-music

Svante

@Mat'sMug What does AGILE mean? ^^

@Phrancis Gonna do it now

Phrancis

I was gonna ask the same thing

Mat's Mug

Agile software development

Agile software development is a group of software development methods , in which requirements and solutions evolve through collaboration between self-organizing, cross-functional teams. It promotes adaptive planning, evolutionary development and delivery, a time-boxed iterative approach, and encourages rapid and flexible response to change. It is a conceptual framework that promotes foreseen tight iterations throughout the development cycle. The Agile Manifesto introduced the term in 2001. Since then, the Agile Movement, with all its values, principles, methods, practices, tools, champi...

Phrancis

I did tell him at 146 bpm, the rap will have to be half-tempo so it will sound very slow. He was like, "Do it."

Then he heard it, and he said it was too slow. Hate to say I told you so...

Svante

I'm not a digital music producer but i play guitar and bass :3

But i mostly play like Metalcore song if you know that genrea

songs*

Mat's Mug

23:44

^^ you can edit recent chat posts with arrow-up ;)

Svante

Oh, haha didn't realise ^^

Mat's Mug

se-chat-is-full-of-surprises

Svante

haha it really is

What kind of music do you like Mat?

Phrancis

@svante cool. Let me know if you need any like orchestral stuff made or something, I'll give you a rebate for being fellow CR programmer ;)

Mat is not here, only his mug is here

Svante

Nice thank you @Phrancis , i will have to buy a audio interface first though, so i can record in good quality ^^

Mat's Mug

23:46

I've played lots of Metallica & AC/DC, listened to even more; I'm slowly picking up the solo from Avenged Sevenfold's Hail to the King.

Svante

He's name is Mat's Mug so i thougth his name was Mat ^^

Mat's Mug

it is =)

but some CRitters call me Mug, or "The Mug"

Svante

Nice! I also like Avenged Sevenfold! :D My favourite guitarist in that band :)

Okey, then i will do as all the other CRitters ;)

Mat's Mug

hehe

Phrancis

@Svante this is affordable and Lexicon make great products. Just plug guitar into Instrument input on the front, plug into USB and hit record.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/lexicon-alpha-usb-desktop-recording-studio?pfm=sp

Mat's Mug

23:48

rolfl is also known as "The Monkey"

or just "monkey"

Svante

Thank you @Phrancis for the tip! That one had a really good price that i can afford :D

Why is he called Monkey? ^^ @Mat'sMug

Mat's Mug

rolfl ♦, Canada

31.4k 5 62 153

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Phrancis

This is the one I use, had for over 5 years never had a problem with it. musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/…

Didn't know the monkey was Canadian too!

@Svante whatever you do don't buy anything from M-Audio their hardware is garbage

Mat's Mug

yeah, Ontario ~~though, so only counts as half~~

but he's got like 12 nationalities

Svante

Haha okey ^^

Phrancis

23:51

Bought a keyboard and sound board device from M-Audio, both of them started having problems after like a year

Svante

How many people are usally on this chat room?

Phrancis

Depends on the day and time

Mat's Mug

I'd say 15-20, depends; lots are just "there"

Svante

Oh, i think i will but that one you linked since it's so cheap ^^

Oh okey

They don't really talk?

Mat's Mug

sometimes they're just away too

Svante

23:53

okey

Phrancis

@Svante Also Lexicon is plug&play and works well on Windows and OSX.

Mat's Mug

I for one, very seldom log off, so there's pretty much always a mug here

Svante

Mug, what guitar have you got?

@Phrancis That's good, then i wont get any problems that i can't solve ^^

Mat's Mug

funny you ask, ..an old beat-up Ibanez Roadstar that I bought in 1999...

Svante

Ibanez is nice

Mat's Mug

23:54

I also have a B.C. Rich Warlock, bought in 2004, even more beat-up.

I need a new guitar

@Svante you know Joe Satriani?

Svante

haha i bought a new guitar this year, a Schecter Demon 6

@Mat'sMug no :p

What about him?

Phrancis

@Mat'sMug @Svante My wife has one of these LTD Viper:

Sounds good and plays good, and the price is right

Mat's Mug

►

Svante

Oh, it looks really nice! @Phrancis

How do i post a pic?

Phrancis

Right click from your browser and copy picture URL, then paste in here

Svante

23:57

Phrancis

^^ nice

Svante

I have one of those

Mat's Mug

(starts at 1:30 really)

Svante

Gonna watch it now

Mat's Mug

IIRC he was Kirk Hammet's teacher

Phrancis

23:58

@Svante this chat room is a great place to hang when you're bored at work or while my-code-is-compiling hence the name The 2nd Monitor

Svante

@Mat'sMug Damn he is good

Mat's Mug

3:17-3:57 tapping

Svante

@Phrancis Oh nice, it's really fun to talk to you guys actually ^^

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