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9:00 AM
> jacwah: I don't know how this worked before
> Duga: BUILD FAILURE!
a gem from the Cardshifter chat room
 
They made a room?
 
Zak
It's been around since before I was here
 
hi
Monking, right?
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Zak
Monking!
 
@BlackHatGuy correct :-) Monking
 
9:08 AM
Greetings
@Zak I had no idea. But that isn't something I pay attention to
 
Monking indeed
 
51
Q: What's a Zombie? And what are the many other memes of Code Review?

Simon André ForsbergWhat is a Zombie? Why are Code Reviewers so violent and talking about killing Zombies all the time? And what ammo are they talking about? What is a TS? What does RSA mean? And what other Code Review-specific memes are there? (As the number of memes grows and grows, and Malachi's wish to vote fo...

You should read that
 
or wait until Memer is finished... if it covers that... @quill
wait, Quill is the one doing memer right?
 
Yes and no
I'm the one who wrote most of the Javascript
The idea started from me
Let me fetch the question
 
Ah, alright.
Aha, that's what TS stands for...
I misread RSA as RSI though
 
9:12 AM
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Q: "The 2nd Monitor" chatroom translator

Ismael MiguelFor those who go to The 2nd Monitor chatroom, you already know how bad I am at remembering everything. And, sometimes, the new visitors will wonder what something means. For that, I've developed a very simple chat translator. ;(function(window, undefined){ 'use strict'; var memes = { ...

 
repetitive star injury
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There
 
thanks
 
It started with that question
Quill and Malachi have been helping and adding functionality and more memes to more sites
It isn't finished, yet
But it will be in a close future
 
@PranavNath now you have this working I recommend posting it on codereview for feedback. — Andy Brown 30 secs ago
 
Zak
9:23 AM
is the review notification meant to keep repeating itself at me until I go and look at the 1 thing in the review queue?
 
No idea
 
@DanPantry Memer is basically finished
Malachi hasn't added any memes
 
@Zak Either this or until the queue is empty
You can also skip items
 
@IsmaelMiguel Malachi and I have a few things that we're looking at working on, but nothing major
 
I had no idea of that
 
9:27 AM
We marked them as issues, but I've got immediate commitments and @Malachi's got kids
the next time I've really got free time is two weeks from now, until then, finals and exam season ahead
 
Zak
@Quill best of luck wit that
 
good luck with your exams @Quill
What are you studying? Computer science I'm assuming
 
9:46 AM
I think you might get better answers in codereview.stackexchange.comuser2079303 54 secs ago
 
0
Q: Regex for finding After Effects files in scene code format

SuperBiasedManI haven't used regex a lot (or is it regexes?) and I needed to set up a script that can gather a list of file paths that should adhere to a strict formatting convention, so I thought that sounded like a good opportunity to use them. To explain a bit, there's a set of sequence folders inside a r...

 
@user2079303 you might, but the question would have to be completely re-done first. Questions on CodeReview need to be a) already working as intended and b) have the code embedded in the question. In addition, Feature Requests and code explanations are also off-topic. — Zak 28 secs ago
 
@DanPantry general high school
 
Ah @Quill. I forget your age sometimes
 
Japanese and Biology are the hard ones
 
9:54 AM
You're able to study japanese in your high school?
 
yeah
 
Back in my day I had a choice of Welsh or... well, I didn't even have a choice. I live in Wales. We're mandated to learn Welsh.
 
I live in the most touristy area of Australia, and subsequently there's a lot of asian tourists, so Japanese is good
At the local uni, the 'advanced' work in the computer science degree is neural networking
 
never mind that less than 500000 people can actually speak, read and write the language... that's 1/120th of the entire UK population BTW
@Quill thats pretty advanced lol
 
maybe
 
9:56 AM
Yeah we're made to learn Irish in school here, which makes more sense but is also a very inapplicable and poorly taught language.
 
most of the work I've either already done or can do
but the language of choice is C
@SuperBiasedMan inapplicable
does welsh have its own character set
 
@Quill no, but we have a weird alphabet
 
@Quill Thanks! In time to edit too.
 
d is a letter, as standard, but so is dd.
 
Zak
@Quill characters? technically, no.
 
9:58 AM
but we don't need your xes or zs.
oh, also, y and u is a vowel. why? because screw you, thats' why
the language seriously makes no sense
dd is pronounced like "th" in the
 
Zak
but this is a perfectly typical example of a welsh word
Llanfairpwllgwyngyll
 
no offense but that looks like when I fall asleep on my keyboard
 
but "th" is a letter on its own and is NOT pronounced liike "th" in "the".
@Quill none taken
it's pronounced (sort of) clan-fire-pool-g-win-g-ill
 
what does it mean
 
that's only half of the word by the way.
 
Zak
9:59 AM
That's the name of a town
 
The full word is "llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch"
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yes, thats one word
(and yes its the name of a town)
 
I don't think I'd be able to remember a word that long
 
Llanfairpwllgwyngyll (pronounced [ɬanˌvairpuɬˈɡwɨ̞nɡɨ̞ɬ]) is a large village and community on the island of Anglesey in Wales, situated on the Menai Strait next to the Britannia Bridge and across the strait from Bangor. It is alternatively known as Llanfairpwll, Llanfair PG, or Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch. At the 2001 census the population of the community was 3,040, 76% of whom speak Welsh fluently; the highest percentage of speakers is in the 10–14 age group, where 97.1% speak Welsh. By the time of the 2011 Census the population had increased to 3,107 of...
 
Zak
so yeah, technically welsh uses the same character set as english
but the one bears almost no relation to the other
 
let me remind you we are forced to learn this language in high school... despite under 500,000 people actually being fluent in it
 
10:01 AM
Japanese is much more different, with another three sets of characters, including one with a range in the hundreds of thousands
 
@Quill that's because one of the sets of characters are actually whole words, so it's not a good comparsion
 
@DanPantry for history sake?
 
You have hiragana and katakana which are, in effect, syllables. Kanji are words 'borrowed' from chinese mandarin
...I might have dabbled in japanese when I was younger
@Quill for patriotism i suppose
 
all kanji aren't necessarily borrowed mandarin
 
"DAE English are scum" is still a thing here.. for some reason.. to the point where my welsh step father made a point of spitting on england every time we drove in it
@Quill my mistake. all i ermember from my studies was a majority were from/based on mandarin
 
Zak
10:05 AM
if you would like to hear the pronounciation of that town, youtube.com/watch?v=WwYAuvBcQ1Y&feature=youtu.be&t=35s
 
@Zak here's a better one www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEHu0yRabA
 
Zak
is that link what it's supposed to be?
 
yes.
 
0
Q: self alias in closures

BaburI use closures in java code a lot and because of the requirement of the project to include 'this' alias to all instance fields and methods, I used to use 'self' alias to reference the outer scope instance variables in order to escape the ugliness of the code. f.ex.: class SomeStrategyWithLongNam...

 
@CaptainObvious This is off topic because they omitted code, right? (multiple parts have the real code replaced with ...)
 
10:12 AM
@SuperBiasedMan yes this is example code
 
@Zak wat
 
Zak
@SuperBiasedMan dead giveaway: "could anyone explain what is wrong with this?"
 
@DanPantry Oh wow, I missed someVar and the function named function.
 
private final SomeStrategyWithLongNameClass self = this;
 
Zak
@SuperBiasedMan I think this sums it up:
Unfortunately, we cannot speculate on other people's opinions of your coding methods. — Zak 44 secs ago
 
10:16 AM
@SuperBiasedMan theoretical-> programmers, broken -> so, working -> cr
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Zak
on the one hand, it's broken. On the other hand, only because it's using too much memory.
 
I agree @Zak
I think that's an issue for SO, though.
 
@DanPantry someting like that
and there's always dba.se
 
There's a known issue with the code and OP would be better off asking on SO (ironically because he's almost certainly getting an SO/memory error)
I think if code will only work after a review then it shouldn't be reviewed by us in the first place
 
Zak
@DanPantry I like that philosophy :)
 
10:19 AM
But wouldn't he just get told it's an optimisation problem there? I thought the idea was that it should go to SO if there's a particular specific issue that can be resolved or it's horribly broken?
 
Zak
there is a specific issue
they need a less memory-intensive implementation
 
@SuperBiasedMan he does have a particular issue
this is not a case of "how can I make this faster?"
 
Zak
and it's basically a question of which data structure will consume less memory
 
its a case of "this will not work unless I make it faster (or consume less memory)"
 
Zak
which I think is more on-topic on other sites
than this one
 
10:20 AM
I guess I had it backwards, is it not that it's a specific issue with a broad solution? Not on topic here anyway, but might not go that well on SO either.
 
Zak
could definitely do with some rephrasing
 
> My program is able to give me the correct output but when I run it against different test cases, it gives me a memory error. I
His test cases are his expectations and they are clearly not being met here
Given its wording, I would say SO.
It would also be helpful if OP gave the break point of the code.
(not breakpoint as in debug, but break point as in when it breaks)
 
0
Q: An attempt on unit testing in C++

coderoddeI have no much experience with C++, so it is about time to start actually doing something about it. All in all, I coded this tiny unit test library: assert.h: #ifndef ASSERT_H #define ASSERT_H #include <iostream> #define ASSERT(CONDITION) assert(CONDITION, #CONDITION, __FILE__, __LINE__); #de...

 
I hate it when OPs self-delete :\
 
RBAs are great, provided theyre off-topic
 
10:27 AM
Yeah, I didn't get a chance to direct one person to Programmers.SE
RBAs?
 
removed by author
 
I would rather the author RBA after they have had a VTC succeeded
that way they know for sure their question is off-topic
instead of 2-3 people discussing it in comments
where it may/may not be off-topic in the communities' view
we are only human after all
 
Monking
 
Monking
 
Monking
 
10:31 AM
This question replaced their pseudocode with real code:
http://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/102368/wpf-ugly-event-dictionary
 
Huh? Random bronze badge on SO, I'll take it
 
@Morwenn @skiwi monk*
 
Monk Kleene star?
 
monk* could mean monkernoon or monking depending on the time of day :-)
I'm not the one who came up with it, there's some kind of jsfiddle poking around that does it
off-topic (but since chat is more-or-less dead): anyone got any experience of emigration here? I doubt it, but hey
 
Sorry @SimonAndréForsberg, I tried to make it clear on the Welcome to 2nd Monitor post, but my wording left some to be desired
 
10:37 AM
The legal process or mental process?
 
@SuperBiasedMan legal. looking to emigrate to the US in the next 2 years or so as long as a certain candidate isn't elected
I'm not going to say his name but I am going to say he is less funny than the Donald from looney tunes
 
@DanPantry Donald Trump?
 
@Quill I didn't know how to improve it myself, which is why I left a comment.
 
@DanPantry That I can't help with I'm afraid.
 
ok, cool
 
10:39 AM
alright, thanks anyway @SuperBiasedMan yes @skiwi
 
@skiwi He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (/Elected)
 
If that happens, the USA is gone :P
 
for anyone who isn't middle-class... unfortunately, I'm middle-class, and I don't even want to be lumped in with that middle-class... to the Nth...
 
This is quite insane, I'm having a course with 1500 students, in which we need to as a group design some remotely operated rescue vehicle (to rescue rubber ducks instead of real patients)
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On one specific day there's going to be 300 of those vehicles driving around in the same building
 
Some reopen votes are needed here
 
10:43 AM
Chaos ensured :D
 
-3
Q: wpf ugly event dictionary

user75534I have wpf application that gets data from webserver. Implementation of Application. It contains two Views (LeftView, RightView), three Models (LeftModel, RightModel,CentralModel), and two ViewModels (LeftViewModel, RightViewModel) I shoud show there only LeftView, LeftViewModel, LeftModel, Cen...

 
That sounds like the best ever.
@Heslacher Also would be good to get some downvotes removed/reversed if people feel it's worthy.
 
We need to operate them from a building several hundreds of meters away
 
that ^^
 
There's no other Pythoners in here, is there?
 
Zak
10:45 AM
@skiwi I thought you meant to say ensued, then realised that this also makes contextual sense
 
@skiwi @RubberDucks you say
 
@SuperBiasedMan eh kinda
 
@DanPantry Yeah, also wet sponges and balls, but the @RubberDucks are important ;)
We can use anything from a simple battery pack to nuclear fuel as power, as long as we can prove that it's safe
 
@SuperBiasedMan im able to read it basically
 
Zak
@skiwi for some values of "safe"
 
10:47 AM
> nuclear fuel as power
> prove that it's safe
does not compute
 
@Quill I'm looking up a nice way to write a file like object directly to a zip, but it seems that ZipFiles generally wants to take just a string or an existing file on the disk. Don't suppose you have any experience with them?
 
not with ZipFiles, but somewhat with files in Python
what kind of string, like a location
 
> Some of the casualties (the rubber ducks) will be calling out for help. Some might be hard to reach, because of the fallen debris. It is up to you to decide who you will try to rescue.
 
I have a JSON dictionary, and I want to dump it to a zip. But because of how ZipFiles accept parameters it seems the main options I have are either converting it to a string or just write it to a temporary file.
 
JSON is already a string, why is this an issue?
> I have a JSON dictionary
> converting it to a string
 
10:53 AM
No I've read it into Python as a dictionary to edit it, so it's no longer a string.
 
Ah.
 
Serialize JSON to file ??? Profit
 
You could use streams although I'm not sure how they work in Py.
 
If that's possible
 
in node we would just pipe the text through a stream (including zipping it in the stream) and then pipe it to a file afterwards
I would presume theres a similar function in python but yes, you will have to serialize it to a string first
 
10:55 AM
I found a blogpost about this and it recommends editing the inbuilt ZipFile module if you want to change this behaviour, so I guess I'll just go with the messier but easier options.
 
> recommends editing the inbuilt ZipFile module
> recommends editing the inbuilt module
> editing the inbuilt module
wat
that.... sounds dangerous
 
It's actually pretty Pythonic to do something like that, Python invites the danger and says it's on your head if it bites you in the ass.
 
And you wonder why there are so few python users in this chat room
 
Python is easy to code but hard to maintain
 
Then again, I fondly remember a quote but I can't remember who from who said something along the lines of
C is easy to shoot yourself in the foot with; C++ is harder to shoot yourself with, but if you do, you'll take off the entire leg
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10:58 AM
@skiwi It's a lot easier to maintain as a programming team of 1.
 
and there are plenty of C++ programmers, so maybe I'm just a bad judge of character
 
> I have a dream that one day programmers will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all languages are created equal."
 
I like how a moderator stepped in to attribute the quote correctly.. I love stackoverflow
 
> I have a dream that one day languages will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all users are created equal."
 
11:01 AM
@DanPantry she's a freelancing mod...
 
Monking
 
> shell: You can't remember the syntax for anything so you spend five hours reading man pages before giving up. You then shoot the computer and switch to C.
 
hey @Mast
 
monking @Mast
 
@Quill I'm in a lot of rooms
 
11:02 AM
@DanPantry Been reading up on how to shoot yourself in the foot I hear?
 
> Windows XP
Some teenage hacker shoots you in the foot with ActiveX. You develop gangrene and die.
this one wins
@Mast haha @SuperBiasedMan mentioned editing an internal package in python which I said was hacky but then mentioned the 3-starred comment
 
@DanPantry should be "you have died of dysentery"
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@DanPantry Usually if I have to pull something like that I copy the package and edit whatever I need in there. I'm under no circumstance editing 'original' packages.
 
Did there happen to be some flags here ??
 
@DanPantry That's from Bjarne Stroustrup. That one guy who actually created C++.
 
11:04 AM
@Morwenn I knew who it was but I couldn't remember his name @_@
in my defence, its harder to spell and I would have written something like Banana Soupstir
 
@DanPantry !w C++ -> right box
problem solved.
 
@Mast In this case it's something where the person suggesting it basically thought it was outright better and Python should write it this way anyway. Which is confident at least.
 
On the other hand, the new versions of the C++ standard make it even harder to shoot yourself in the foot. Provided you use the new features of course.
 
@SuperBiasedMan Ah, I usually stick to 2.7.x, where such is blasphemy. Only Python3 is still evolving.
 
But how we were taught C++ at school is all about how to shoot yourself in the foot.
 
11:06 AM
CSUKDNPY@SAFELPTP294 /c/Users/CSUKDNPY
$ !w C++
sh.exe": !w: event not found
@Mast
 
@Mast I'm the same, I have to hook into existing programs that are also sticking with 2 so it'd make no sense to go back and forth.
 
@Morwenn Probably because the school didnt teach you thet new features
 
@DanPantry DuckDuckGo
 
@DanPantry Put it in the address bar for Firefox or DDG
 
@Morwenn ose?
 
11:07 AM
!SE searches StackExchange, !w grabs the wiki
 
I use neither of these, I use chrome and google
 
@DanPantry I've been taught "C89" and "C++03" at school and most of the teachers didn't know about the standards anyway.
 
I welcome our glorious google overlords
all hail the googletoad
 
@DanPantry Oh poor limited one.
 
@Mast to be fair google chrome's dev tools are leagues better than firebugs (imo)
and I'm a web developer, so I use them a lot
 
11:08 AM
@Morwenn Yea, we learned C89 and had to learn all the good stuff ourselves.
 
It was all about "well, let's not use C99 because, y'know, not every compiler supports it, but let's use tons of non-standard compiler extensions, that's way better!".
 
@DanPantry Those arguments are only valid if you're a web-developer indeed. Ah well, I like my tools.
@Morwenn We didn't do that either ^^
Vanilla C and C++ all the way.
 
@DanPantry I use DuckDuckGo for the shortcuts, but when I actually need a search engine, I type !g to that it searches with Google.
 
To be honest, there are plenty of vanilla includes to choose from.
@Morwenn I take offence to that. Duck is a fine search engine.
Doesn't filter bubble you either.
Doesn't give about localization by default but allows you to turn it back on if you're so inclined.
That's the order it should work in IMHO, not the other way around.
 
Every time someone is mentioning DDG all I'm seeing is this
 
11:10 AM
@Mast I've not found what I was looking for way more times that I would have liked to.
 
@DanPantry That's @RubberDuck
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There are a surprising number of images of inflatable ducks in piers on Google images
it could be worse, until very recently, programming languages weren't touched upon at all in UK schools
the only way you could study literally anything to do with computers that wasn't Word/Excel, you had to go to university
or a few select colleges
 
@Morwenn They both have their moments. Google usually provides me with more results than relevant and DDG sometimes leaves relevant results out. I can find everything I need with it though.
 
how would you know a result is missing unless you already knew it was missing?
 
11:15 AM
@DanPantry They didn't specify the dimensions of the ducks we need to save, they better not be that big!
 
unless you mean ones removed via DCMA request
 
@DanPantry cross-validation
 
@Mast I get that, but I mean, why would I cross-validate my search results
:S
 
@DanPantry To see which search engine performs better, of-course
 
Maybe you guys, given you use a language that is older than the internet itself, need that sort of deep searching ;-)
Or that too.. @Mast
 
11:16 AM
@DanPantry Often, yes ^^
While StackOverflow definitely made things easy
Programming now or 5 years ago is not the same.
 
Definitely agree
no idea how I wrote eluna without SO
 
I learned Pascal by reading one document alone. Since that was the only document I had.
Now, there's an abundance of examples, tutorials and other helpful documents around.
 
And everyone should get off your lawn
 
@skiwi Did they define quantity though?
user image
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@Mast Yeah, there'll be about 300
 
11:19 AM
The rubber duck in the background.... "I made these"
 
Zak
wasn't there a shipping container full of rubber ducks that fell off a ship and released them in the middle of an ocean? Or was that just a commercial I saw? I can't remember.
 
@DanPantry I'm not that old.
@Zak It's the Rubberduck derby
Basically, you get a couple of thousand rubberducks, number them all and the one who picked the number of the fastest rubberduck wins.
 
@Mast well, that's going on my bucket list
if @RubberDuck doesn't compete in at least one of those as well I will be disappointed
 
Zak
this is what I was thinking of
Friendly Floatees are plastic bath toys marketed by The First Years, Inc. and made famous by the work of Curtis Ebbesmeyer, an oceanographer who models ocean currents on the basis of flotsam movements including those of a consignment of Friendly Floatees, containing 29,000 plastic yellow ducks, red beavers, blue turtles and green frogs, washed into the Pacific Ocean in 1992. Some of the toys landed along Pacific Ocean shores, like Hawaii. Others traveled over 17,000 miles, floating over the site where the Titanic sank, and spent years frozen in Arctic ice to reach British and Irish shores 15 years...
 
Maybe it could be a community challenge to make a rubber duck derby game.
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Zak
11:26 AM
Visual Basic:
> You'll only appear to have shot yourself in the foot, but you'll have so much fun doing it you won't care.
> You do a Google search on how to shoot yourself in the foot using Visual Basic. You find seventeen completely different ways to do it, none of which are properly structured. You paste the first example into the IDE and compile. It brushes your teeth.
 
that ^^
 
@SuperBiasedMan feel free to post it to the community challenge meta question
 
6 hours ago, by Quill
how does one rename the feeds? Is that a mod thing
@Quill yes, it is a mod thing ^^
 
Oh, @SimonAndréForsberg, BigBrother got suspended too
 
11:32 AM
@SimonAndréForsberg context is in you-know-where
 
Zak
from where?
 
from the mods/admin, not sure
in Ministry of Truth, 26 mins ago, by Amelia
tl;dr we're having a debate, bot is suspended until we get some sort of consensus
 
@SuperBiasedMan Like Quill said, propose it. The September challenge has probably started, feel free to suggest it for October.
 
@Quill mine is more accurate :p
 
@Quill I think I'll do a write up of it before/after lunch, we'll see how my time goes. :)
 
11:33 AM
@Amelia had a feeling about that :) will read up on it.
 
They're all idling if you want to ask, anyway
well, Amelia was
Tom is still
 
I'm off to get food
o/
 
@DanPantry @Mast you know that I'm not actually a rubberduck, right? Lol
 
@RubberDuck Mind=Blown
 
Huh, this was closed but it seems perfectly fine to me, am I missing anything:
 
11:36 AM
@RubberDuck Bull
 
Zak
"I saw it from a recruit and the company said there were potential problems, but I can't find out anything wrong with my test case:"
 
We all know the truth.
 
Zak
sounds like not their own code to me
 
Ahh, that sentence kept sliding over my brain and not making sense. Now I get it.
 
@Zak Sounds like the test case is his.
 
11:37 AM
@SuperBiasedMan "Unclear what you're asking". We have no idea what the code is supposed to do.
 
The wording may just be a bit off.
 
Zak
Either it's not their code, or it's not working as intended, or "the company" (whoever they are) are wrong
no mater which, it's off-topic
 
Ask @200_success he's the one who closed it
 
@Zak I think I know why the company balked about his test cases.
That's most definitely not the proper way of writing unit tests for Python.
 
Zak
anyway, I'm off for lunch
 
11:40 AM
It isn't checking for valid output. It's just printing, without checking whether the output is as expected.
 
Zak
aw, I'm all out of stars
 
@Zak its' 12:41, you're as bad as @IsmaelMiguel
 
Monking
 
Monking
 
Monking
 
11:48 AM
Monking
 
Monking
 
omfg... the "Use for" field of my online-banking transaction isn't used as I give it, they just appended some useless additional information to it!!!
WHAT THE CARP is wrong with these people
 
Monking
 
now I need to book that crap back and make them rebook it with the appropriate "use for" so the account watcher of the university understands I paid my semester...
 

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