The 2nd Monitor

Vogel612

22:00

funded?

Hosch250

It will still be part of SE.

Boni

Don't moderators get paid or something? And then there is hosting.

Oh.

Hosch250

No, they are not paid.

Vogel612

moderators do not get paid

they're volunteers (which makes their work all the more impressive)

the hosting happens by SE. They earn money through adverts and careers.so

Boni

Mm. PR is a pain to handle.

Mat's Mug

22:03

paid? lol

durron597

8

Q: It's election and graduation eve!

First things first: CONGRATULATIONS, MAGENTO STACK EXCHANGE IS GRADUATING! A few weeks ago, I quietly dropped a comment on the 2015 moderator nomination post to say that we on the SE team wouldn't be appointing a new pro tem moderator... because you had been approved for graduation, and we want...

Hosch250

Yes, let's have it.

Mat's Mug

hi @durron597!

Hosch250

That means I'd better go get C# gold badge along with 10k more rep.

durron597

Why are they the first ones to drop beta, etc. etc.

you had your election already

Hosch250

22:04

@durron597 Well, it is like this - do we want to be the guinea pig for this, or not.

durron597

Who would be better to review the process than you guys?

Hosch250

No one.

But, being a guinea pig has its draw-backs.

durron597

@Hosch250 exactly

Hosch250

I know, because I've been one most my life for one thing or another.

Vogel612

@durron597 well we just have to say yes and we're in...

durron597

22:05

Have you been saying no?

Hosch250

Anything from textbooks to child raising methods :P

@durron597 I voted yes.

EBrown

I voted Yes and No on that poll. D:

durron597

Oh, they're forcing it on magento and giving you the option. got it.

Hosch250

Up yes, down no.

EBrown

I voted up for both.

Vogel612

22:07

I'd say downvotes don't really count, like in a community-challenge selection

EBrown

Because both posts are valid.

durron597

Well I voted yes to... take my own close vote privileges away... that I never use anyway...

Vogel612

agreed with the first two...

Ismael Miguel

Honestly, that post pissed me off

Vogel612

@durron597 not with the last one.. shame on you, help moderate the site

@IsmaelMiguel which? what? why?

durron597

22:08

@Vogel612 It's really difficult to help moderate just Stack Overflow and Programmers

Vogel612

point taken.

durron597

and also do my job, and also pay attention to my girlfriend

Ismael Miguel

@Vogel612 That meta post

Vogel612

@IsmaelMiguel now only two of my questions remain unanswered...

Ismael Miguel

It sounds like a bad joke

durron597

22:09

too many bowling pins in the air

Ismael Miguel

@Vogel612 Which ones?

Vogel612

what and why

Ismael Miguel

What: meta.codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/5891/…

EBrown

Personally, I want CR to be graduated. (Even if it means I lose a lot of my privileges.)

Mat's Mug

@IsmaelMiguel need more unicorns and rainbows in your life maybe?

Vogel612

22:10

@IsmaelMiguel that's the which, you know?

Ismael Miguel

Why: I can't say on this chat or I would be permanently banned

Vogel612

wut?

Ismael Miguel

@Mat'sMug I hate unicorns and rainbows

EBrown

The only thing that would make it more appealing, is if you did not lose any permissions.

Captain Obvious

0

Q: ChessMetric - Topcoder Challenge

My solution for the topcoder ChessMetric challenge seems really slow. I feel like there should be a better way, but I'm not sure. Challenge Description Suppose you had an n by n chess board and a super piece called a kingknight. The kingknight can move either one space in any direction...

python dynamic-programming

Ismael Miguel

22:11

@Vogel612 If I say what I have to say about it, I would probably be banned forever

EBrown

But, that's likely out of the question.

Vogel612

@EBrown you do know that's currently the case?

EBrown

@Vogel612 Is it really?

Vogel612

the reputation thresholds won't change (for now)

durron597

btw speaking of increasing communication between SE and us lowly users...

EBrown

22:11

I mean in general.

durron597

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Q: Can we have a guaranteed pipeline for responses from Stack Exchange?

I think we should have some mechanism that automatically flags certain meta posts (both child metas and here) for Stack Exchange staff attention when they get beyond a certain point. The thresholds would be something like (subject to tweaking): Post is feature-request or bug Post has a score of...

feature-request meta responses

Vogel612

I figure that will happen with design then

EBrown

If full-fledged graduation for a site meant that current users could keep what permissions they have earned as of the application of the new reputation thresholds, that would make it much more appealing to do now.

But I don't see that happening.

Mat's Mug

@IsmaelMiguel by all means, word it nicely and go ahead and post it on meta. worst that will happen is a truckload of downvotes and a shower of meta-flags.

Ismael Miguel

@Mat'sMug I aprove the graduation, I don't aprove the post. It's a stupid f*cking joke! OFC WE WANT GRADUATION!

EBrown

22:14

@IsmaelMiguel You created all that drama just now for that statement?

Ismael Miguel

@EBrown No. There's a ton more stuck. But I don't want to be banned

EBrown

The question on the Meta post is not "do we want graduation." It's, "do we want graduation now with, the caveat of being the guinea pigs for the new graduation mechanisms."

Ismael Miguel

It's the same question

Mat's Mug

uh, no

Ismael Miguel

And the same answer

EBrown

22:15

It's not the same question.

There are several stipulations with this question.

Vogel612

@Mat'sMug TS!

EBrown

We won't be getting a new design for a while.

durron597

good night gents

Ismael Miguel

Like?

Vogel612

'night @durron597

durron597

22:15

@EBrown Which is silly, because you have an amazing thread with lots of great suggestions

Vogel612

@EBrown that's the case anyways

durron597

How much work would it be to polish one of them off?

shrug. good night

Ismael Miguel

@EBrown Code Review has been without a design for 4 years

Mat's Mug

@durron597 later!

EBrown

@durron597 Indeed! And good night, sir. :)

Vogel612

22:17

@EBrown there's a feature request on mse about scaling privilege levels... might be interesting to you?

EBrown

@Vogel612 Indeed, I'd be interested to read it.

At least this question turned out successful. :)

Vogel612

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Q: Can we make automatically-scaling reputation thresholds work?

In the discussion on design-independent graduation, which stemmed into a more general discussion on the graduation process, it occurred to me that there's an obvious solution to the reputation-change problem: make reputation thresholds scale automatically to meet demand. This isn't a solution wi...

discussion reputation privileges growth

> I thought I was good at it but evidently I haven't got a clue

yes, dear disgruntled user, it seems like that

Mat's Mug

@EBrown the deleted comments view isn't pretty though.

EBrown

@Vogel612 Ehh, that post leaves a bit to be desired. Neither answer is particularly pleasant.

@Mat'sMug I know, which is why it's shocking that the question finally turned out as well as it did.

Were there not regulars egging him on, it wouldn't have been so bad.

Vogel612

@EBrown it's not even a full-fledged feature-request now

@EBrown we've actually had worse before

EBrown

22:25

@Vogel612 Yeah, I noticed that. Oh well. I can still hope, can't I? :)

@Vogel612 Well hopefully we can learn from this, and perhaps begin to realize that wording on our comments really does have a large impact on things.

Vogel612

@EBrown that also was the conclusion last time

Mat's Mug

TTQW at last

laters CRitters

EBrown

@Vogel612 I think Part 3 of that is exactly what happened here, as well. Minus the "moderators" bits.

@Mat'sMug Later, sir. :)

Oh well, it's all over now. We can only hope it doesn't happen again.

Vogel612

I think that's the exactly wrong idea

we should actively strive to prevent things like that

> This may be arrogant, but community veterans and moderators should hold themselves to higher standards than new users.

EBrown

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to prevent it, what I am saying is that if something like this happens again, perhaps those who are getting agitated (especially veterans) should withdraw themselves from the conversation.

Is "experimental" code on-topic here? That is, code that may not end up in production, but demonstrates a fully-fledged idea?

Ismael Miguel

22:36

@EBrown Does it work?

EBrown

One would assume so by "demonstrates a fully-fledged idea."

bazola

i had a question like that migrated over to programmers, so i think that the preference for code review is for the working code to have a practical application

Ismael Miguel

I know the question is stupid, but the answer to that question is the same to yours

EBrown

Assuming it follows all rules, and it is likely not production code, but instead something the OP has put together for demonstrating a fully-complete idea/concept/task, and which may be adapted to be production, would it be considered on-topic?

bazola

here is my question that got migrated if you are curious

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Q: Creating New Scripts Dynamically in Lua

Right now this is just a crazy idea that I had, but I was able to implement the code and get it working properly. I am not entirely sure of what the use cases would be just yet. What this code does is create a new Lua script file in the project directory. The ScriptWriter takes as arguments th...

artificial-intelligence code-generation lua

Ismael Miguel

22:38

@EBrown Yes

EBrown

@bazola Well, the title of that implies that there is a larger, more abstract problem to be solved.

I mean, suppose I built a fully-functional programme that demonstrates whatever concept I am working on, whatever task, but I have no intention of using it in production, would it be considered on-topic?

I think this is better as a Meta post...

bazola

my code was fully working for what i intended it to do, it just had very little or no practical application

Vogel612

@EBrown Proof-of-Concept is on-topic...

EBrown

@Vogel612 That's a better term for it...yes.

That is what I mean.

Duga

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is about code reviewing ("how to improve this code"). — Alfe just now

cimmanon

22:51

should we be closing this as a duplicate? it already has 2 close votes: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/100966/…

Hosch250

@cimmanon That was discussed earlier, and it was decided it is not a duplicate.

cimmanon

i reviewed the original and it looks like the OP learned absolutely nothing from it

Hosch250

That is what the original closer said.

Vogel612

and then we had a minor flame-skrimish

cimmanon

also, wtf at the massive upvotes on answers that are full of technical inaccuracies?

bazola

22:54

@cimmanon any examples?

Hosch250

Probably the flame skirmish that took place in chat.

They were highly visible here for a while.

EBrown

@cimmanon If you mean my answer, you'll have to be more specific.

And point out specific inaccuracies.

Hosch250

In fact, there was quite the todo on SO with that user, resulting in them getting 24-hour banned, and it started here over the close vote too.

cimmanon

how far back in the log is this discussion?

Vogel612

not that far, basically directly above the pinned message about design-independent graduation

CR part starts here

hiya @NiallC. welcome to the 2nd monitor :)

Hosch250

23:00

6 hours ago, by EBrown

Stop deleting my comments you pricks — GR412 40 secs ago

@Vogel612 Oh, he's here regularly, just never posts.

Vogel612

@Hosch250 that's the SO part..

Hosch250

3 hours ago, by Mast

@CaptainObvious Shit, they didn't ban him systemwide

@Vogel612 I know, we've just got to properly bias everyone... (just kidding, let's play fair).

Niall C.

@Vogel612 Thanks! Also, what @Hosch250 said. :)

Vogel612

which has now been spectacularly disproven :D

at least the second part

Hosch250

You proved me wrong.

nhgrif

23:04

I don't even know what is being discussed.

Vogel612

death and destruction, just as always

Hosch250

@nhgrif You're lucky.

nhgrif

If I'm lucky, couldn't everyone just drop it, whatever it is?

I capped on CR today.

EBrown

@nhgrif I would hope so.

nhgrif

So I will wait 55 minutes before posting a new answer... which I am writing right now

Niall C.

23:05

@Hosch250 Quick, go back and change "never" to "rarely". Or add "anything interesting". Your choice. :)

Hosch250

Much too late.

I can't even edit "You proved me wrong." anymore.

nhgrif

I don't understand the dynamic-programming tag...

Is this a meta tag or am I missing something?

Hosch250

It sounds like it is related to OOP and functional programming.

nhgrif

wat

Hosch250

Dynamic programming

In mathematics, computer science, economics, and bioinformatics, dynamic programming is a method for solving a complex problem by breaking it down into a collection of simpler subproblems. It is applicable to problems exhibiting the properties of overlapping subproblems and optimal substructure (described below). When applicable, the method takes far less time than other methods that don't take advantage of the subproblem overlap (like depth-first search). In order to solve a given problem, using a dynamic programming approach, we need to solve different parts of the problem (subproblems), then...

It is similar to recursion in concept.

But, it is a programming style, like OOP, if I understand correctly.

Or not, I don't know.

nhgrif

23:13

So... this:

importblogkit.com/2015/05/how-do-you-eat-an-elephant

Hosch250

Something like a style and something like an algorithm.

nhgrif

New post: How do you eat an elephant? http://importblogkit.com/2015/05/how-do-you-eat-an-elephant/

Tweeted by importBlogKit on May 4, 2015 at 3:10 PM

Hosch250

BTW.TimeToLeave.

See you.

Quill

monking

Vogel612

'night

Quill

23:18

This answer needs some more love:

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A: Racetrack in... VBA?

Implicit worksheet references Sub CreateGrid() ActiveSheet.Name = "GameBoard" Columns("B:Y").ColumnWidth = 2.14 Columns("A").ColumnWidth = 50 Columns("Z").ColumnWidth = 50 Rows(1).RowHeight = 100 Rows(24).RowHeight = 100 Range("A1:Z1").Merge Range("A1").Interior....

Captain Obvious

23:40

0

Q: Elo Rating Tracking Applet

I have a little applet that I wrote in python and tkinter, and I was wondering what a good way would be to make it public, or open source or whatever. I think it's quite fun. You can add players, add singles games, add doubles games, and then it gives you a table of recent games and ratings wit...

python python3 tkinter

Jeroen Vannevel

It's probably not a good sign when you get confused by your own code as you're writing it

Luckily all of it seems to work so I can just create a CR post and have you guys clean it up

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