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16:00
Ok, so the correct interpretation is that what was thought of as the one-particle operator on the state space (schrodinger picture), is a actually the field equation for the Heisenberg field operator
Since the many body Heisenberg Hamiltonian operator is diagonal in this basis, if I transform to the Schrodinger picture and isolate to one particle (a normal particle or antiparticle which i can because the Hamiltonian is diagonal), I should get $H^{(1)} \psi = E \psi$ with $E$ always being positive where $H^{(1)}$ is the one body Hamiltonian. Is this correct?
$\psi$ is a one particle state here
@bml, 0.5mv^2 - 0.5mu^2 = mas. Which is to say, if you double the distance travelled under constant force, you double the change in v^2 rather than v
KE is just that which is created to keep track of this
Anyone?
16:16
Hi girls
Hi tonia
tobias
16:32
@handan_toddler well that’s a name so doesn’t count
What the heck
@Bml the introductory bits, i.e. very much pre-uni, cannot be done to any uni-level sense of goodness. The teacher is trying very hard to fight against beginner ignorance, and if you try to do something sophisticated, the student will be completely lost
@TobiasFünke wait, Tobias, are you a girl? 🤔
haha nope
MrF's accuracy in determining gender remains at 0% :P
@Allie Prior to the EL equations step, you have yet to specify any path at all. The derivation of the EL equations itself you have a the Lagrangian's dependencies left unspecified (so that the position and velocities can be varied independently at this step) and the statement of the EL equations assert a condition that stationary paths have to satisfy. Solving the EL equations thus is about finding the stationary path(s). No mention of evolution yet.
16:41
@ACuriousMind this time I just wanted to make sure I would learn that after months...
typo--->I wouldn't
@naturallyInconsistent well hmm
So the EL equation will specify the conditions necessary for a given path to be stationary right?
16:57
@Allie Yes.
In other words, the EL equation holds for all points along a starionary path
And i guess what I was saying is, assuming the Lagrangian is independent of time, usually the EL
Sorry, I mean to say that since the EL
fuck.
STUPID KEYBOARD SORRY
@Madder It might be easier to directly obtain Equation (6.2.15) $$\begin{align}1&=\sinh2K^*\sinh2L\\&=2\sinh K^*\cosh K^*\sinh2L\\&=\tanh K^*\cosh^2K^*2\sinh2L\\\frac1{\cosh^2K^*}&=e^{-2L}(e^{+2L}-e^{-2L})\\1-\tanh^2K^*&=1-e^{-4L}\end {align}$$ which is manifestly true, so that this symmetry must be how the duality is motivated.
Assuming L is independent of time, the EL equations will constrict you to a specific evolution through phase space
@Allie Perhaps what you're fishing for this is: The extremization of the action is a boundary value problem where you are seeking the stationary path of the action for any fixed starting and ending point. It's not an evolution procedure that would start from initial conditions. But the E-L equations are local differential equations, which now can be solved as an initial value problem for specified initial condition $q(t_0),\dot{q}(t_0)$
Yes, exactly
The DE’s that you get out of EL describe an initial value problem
I read last night that there is a duality between the 1D quantum transverse ising model and the 2D classical ising model. Is this true? I would think solving 1D quantum ising is much easier than 2D classical (no external field).
consequently, i think it is too good to be true
Sleep deprivation feels funny
My brain feels like a blob
17:23
@Allie no, it describes a BVP, but it also happens to work for IVP. Like, it doesnt care
I wish they taught Lagrangian and Hamitlonian classical mechanics before they taught qm
Maybe they do in some places
yes, they do, though it is rare
oO
I think this is standard, at least in Germany.
@TobiasFünke I have had to learn repeatedly that we're the exception :P
(some German want to correct me if needed)
oh :d
lucky us, I suppose
17:30
Classical mechanics was an optional module that was done a year after intro qm and hardly anyone chose it
Many other places don't really seem to teach "classical mechanics" as we would understand it (i.e. analytical mechanics with Lagrangians and Hamiltonians) at all in undergrad. That's also the reason you see so many weird "classical field theory" intros in QFT books because they're written for people who have never seen a classical field theory before (!!!)
hmhm interesting
classical mechanics was required at my uni, but is not a requirement in my current grad program.
but our classical mechanics course i think was nothing like what you both have probably taken
ACM, were you in a "Diploma" program or Bachelor/Masters? (Sorry if I've asked this before, I cannot remember right now)
@TobiasFünke Bsc/Msc (I started uni in 2011)
17:35
I see
you can still see the content of my second semester classical mechanics course here
Physics has become so broad that a lot of the fundamental topics are not much use to many students compared to very specific applied topics that they will use everyday
Like compuational techniques I imagine are used by everyone
And will help the student become employed
a german word shorter than its english counterpart! "enorm"
17:41
wow lie algebras in classical mechanics
Hopefully one day I can go through all of this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
@SillyGoose how else are you going to discuss the action of rotations on the Hamiltonian phase space ;P
@ACuriousMind im with you...also how else can one formalize the notion of (dynamical) symmetries at all...
Now this particular lecture was demanding even by German standards, I talked about it a whole ago here
I feel analytical mechanics is really essential
It underpins nearly everything, QM, GR, QFT
17:50
Analytical mechanics, the pinnacle of physics
Can we avoid mentioning Norton's dome? :P
Hmm @naturallyInconsistent
I kinda see what u mean now
So question
@ACuriousMind ehhh :o
Suppose you wish to find the path, say, from a ball at the bottom of a hill to the top. Obviously this wont occur naturally. In that case will there be no stationary path? Or something else
In the case of
@qwerty hm?
@Allie indeed for unphysical situations you expect no solutions to the boundary value problem
If you try to solve the E-L equations with the initial condition at the bottom of the hill, you get no solutions that end up at the top.
@ACuriousMind My analytical mechanics course was not very rigorous and I still have some doubts about the way my prof explained some things about HJ equation but it was so cool to end the course with some field theory and then apply it to the non-linear Maxwell equations
18:04
Exactly
For those interested, by non-linear Maxwell equation, I mean the construction of the lagrangian that corresponds to the effective interaction arising from box diagrams
@HerrFeinmann Is this the Born-Infeld theory?
@ACuriousMind just it's also extremely surprising to me also that class. mech would be optional or that it wouldn't be done before QFT anywhere! didn't you say the other day "if you haven't seen symmetries discussed before a QFT course..."?
I'm not sure about the name, wiki calls it Euler-Heisenberg
@qwerty yes but I knew imbaf is in Germany :P
18:09
lol
Man Heisenberg really was an exceptional physicist
He essentially founded QFT with Jordan I believe
in the late 1920s I think
You really love the early 20th century
It's completely magical
Yeah i get that but also im glad i dont live back then
I would have been treated like shit
Very constraining
So im good with being a (future) scientist today
It was constraining for everyone except a small number of people
18:18
Well yes exactly. Sounds like shit
And this benefited certain people much more than others
I wish more scientists were encouraged to write monographs
@ACuriousMind we did two courses on class. mech, an intro one that was langragians mostly and one that did more Hamiltonian mech and chaos theory. symmetries were covered but not in great detail - no Noether
Second half is better, Feynmagician :P
@qwerty not even in the lagrangian setting?
@HerrFeinmann iirc no
Mew im so sleepy
@DIRAC1930 I don't know how they did but the idea is to understand which scalars are availabe to construct your lagrangian and include the relevant ones. The Maxwell term is the trace of $F^2$, then the next on the list are like trace of $F^4$ (also consider the dual tensor)
Another way is to build an effective lagrangian with QED, you can find that on Schwartz
I can't provide further details
18:55
i am officially homne
time to take a nap and then do more of the grungy mechanics
19:17
@DIRAC1930 that nazi?
@Relativisticcucumber true
19:32
Left is what I will call a simple closed graph representing a nonzero contribution to the 2D ising model partition function.
On the right is the Kramers-Wannier dual graph (color coded: purple is the induced dual lattice and pink is the induced dual graph).
Feynman writes if there are $L$ unlike bonds (an edge in the dual graph between a +1 and -1), then there are $2N - L$ like bonds where $N$ is the number of original lattice points (I think).
By order you mean Perturbation order i.e 1st 2nd etc? Additionally, you say:
" By putting in a spurious polarization and checking your amplitude is zero for it, you show that's true. "
What is true? gauge invariance or that we are not missing any additional feynman diagram, or both?
However, in the right I have zero like bonds, so $2N = L$ and $L = 4$ unlike bonds. So $2N = 4$, so $N = 2$. But this does not seem consistent.
19:49
Does anyone have any comments on this
"Ok, so the correct interpretation is that what was thought of as the one-particle operator on the state space (schrodinger picture), is a actually the field equation for the Heisenberg field operator
Since the many body Heisenberg Hamiltonian operator is diagonal in this basis, if I transform to the Schrodinger picture and isolate to one particle (a normal particle or antiparticle which i can because the Hamiltonian is diagonal), I should get $H^{(1)} \psi = E \psi$ with $E$ always being positive where $H^{(1)}$ is the one body Hamiltonian. Is this correct? $\psi$ is a one particle state h
20:02
My question is that $\hat{H}(\hat{\phi}(\mathbf{x},t))$ is the Hamiltonian in the Heisenberg picture. In the Schrodinger picture, one will get an operator $\hat{H}(\hat{\phi}(\mathbf{x}))$ acting on the state space $| \psi(t) \rangle$. This Hamiltonian is diagonal so I can essentially consider a one particle subspace. If I do this, will I get $H^{(1)} \psi(t) = E \psi(t)$ with $E$ being always positive
20:17
@ACuriousMind It doesn't seem to me very intuitive or "at your face" that we consider uniform distribution. Is that an arbitrary choice or there's an argument for that?
what else would you choose without any further knowledge?
do you know e.g. the Maximum Entropy principle? Or e.g. Laplace's principle of indifference?
I wouldn't choose anything or propose anything, since I have no clue what is happening. Whether in books or in notes I take, things are just in the air, just some QED process w/e that may be and somehow incoming electrons and photons average over their spin and polarization, and that is the average of continuous uniform distribution
I mean how on earth, can I even think of this
the electrons have $\pm \frac 1 2$ spin values
and it's also discrete
variable
so continues uniform distribution wouldn't make sense here
Freudian slip by Dirac youtube.com/watch?v=2GwctBldBvU&t=34s at 6 miniutes 26
I don't know or understand the exact context of your question. I just want to point out that it is more or less natural to choose the uniform distribution if you don't have any knowledge apart from the theoretically possible events that might occur
And let's say we do that
20:26
and uniform means to assign equal probability to each event in case of a discrete/finite set of outcomes/events.
how does uniform distribution, continues , I presume
reflects discrete spin values and their probabilities
There's a discrete variable, spin in this case, has 2 possible values
If I give you a dice, and you should guess a probability distribution, i.e. you should tell me the probability for the $n$-th side to occur, what would you tell me?
1/6 ?
see
natural
yes natural, each possible value has 1/6 probability
20:29
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We are talking about the average
@TobiasFünke Mhhh, I have a question. Is the dice made of superconducting material? Is there an external field?
hiiii
@HerrFeinmann you don't know hehe
I am a mean showmaster
20:38
@SirCumference whelp, if he can divide by zero, better to be on the safe side...
@DIRAC1930 classic
He later goes on to say 'the genious of Heisenberg' when describing something else
So he thought they were both geniouses
As a teacher, he is infamously known to be a man of a very few carefully chosen words.
Penrose has some interesting things to say about Dirac
He attended his QM lectures, and also Dirac organised a room so that Penrose could show him GR in spinor notation
20:53
It seems that the whole point of obtaining quantised fields, is so that you can get a quantised Hamiltonian $H(\hat{\phi},\hat{\pi})$ that acts on the state space exactly analogous to QM
And that it also allows one to motivate certain observables $\mathcal{O}(\hat{\phi}, \hat{\pi}$) up to operator ordering ambiguities
21:22
Yup, it helps a lot to know what the goal is.
I wish there were an easy way to find out how much of a paper is dated, or has received more reliable follow-ups
It's not really like Wikipedia where things just get updated in the same place
You kind of have to hunt for newer results and hope you find them
it helps to be in the author's social network
Yeah, the safest bet is usually hoping the lead author was involved in follow ups, or the newer papers are titled similarly to older ones
still always a fear of missing out on the latest stuff
follow the conferences
21:42
yeah, but the keyword I was mentioning is "easy"
maybe I'm just hoping for someone too convenient, but it'd be cool if someone develops a way to compare a given paper with the rest of the literature and find which other papers are the most related
maybe technology will reach that point in a decade or two
@SirCumference there is this, which is a partial answer perhaps: connectedpapers.com
@SirCumference I guess at least on google and inspirehep you can see which papers cited it
@SirCumference if it's not a latex pdf it's trash
/s
@qwerty I guess when you think about it, google has revolutionized what I was talking about, at least compared to the pre-internet era
I wonder if it'll get even easier in the future
@SirCumference I don't think the ads database does it but the hep one inspire does it too
21:46
@HerrFeinmann well I'm hoping papers of the future take full advantage of digitization. E.g. plots you can interact with, so the reader can glean more info than what a PDF could show with a mere image
Nah, I just like the formatting :P
@qwerty it is time for a propic
@SirCumference I think papers which want to do that sort of thing link to something like a GitHub repo or something hosted by the publisher. it's not common but I think I've heard of it. pdf is just more appropriate as the main format I think
@qwerty well, imagine if papers had clickable checkboxes that let you hide or show certain elements of plots, or sliders for the reader to change the axes limits however they want
@HerrFeinmann profile pic? :o
I feel like that'd be a natural evolution of what we have
but I could just be fantasizing about the future
21:51
@qwerty indeed
What cat race are you going to choose for your propic?
D:
I will be this generic SE-assigned pattern
:(
It's about time I change my nickname but I will miss this one
I had an embarassing profile pic when I first created this account, according to SE, over 9 years ago lol :p
@HerrFeinmann if you're changing back to mr F I will still call you Herr F :p
What have I dooone?! 🎵
22:19
@HerrFeinmann nooo
@qwerty lol
im so ready to be done with undergrad
donedergrad
lol
at some point you will miss these times :d
not at all
maybe the last year
but most of it was really bad
22:26
sorry to be negative!
im onto awesomer things
soon you will be all like #phdone
hopefully...
wait does gen z still use hash tags lol
i dnt use social media at all
yeah I mean as internet slang so to speak
22:28
ehhh not rly
hi
yo -> hi
f(yo) = hi
f(hi) = ?
fⁿ(yo), where n = –1.
22:41
guys i proved the riemann hypothesis last night
then get to work on the collatz tonight
nahhh too easy
has anyone here heard of the internet puzzle/game called whentaken? it's like geoguessr but from a static photo and you also have to guess the year it was taken
I really like it and I think I'm decent xD
They play it a lot in here:

 English Language & Usage: Multi-Layer

Not for the faint of heart or those easily triggered by Englis...
22:56
nice
23:17
@Allie you will, I promise :)
Trust your older pals here
@Allie Undergrad is the best time
nahhh
im like 100% sure. but its ok
truly
What are your favourite topics at the moment
in science?
23:28
i hthink quantum chemistry and dft and stuff
Are you doing a physics degree or something else?
chemistry
and phd in chemistry, computational chemistry specifically
Sounds interesting
Do you like statistical mechanics?
im studying it like right noew
so TBD :P
23:32
what kind of chemical reactions are you planning to compute
23:53
anyone like the 2d ising model

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