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00:42
@Obliv You appear to just be asking about the procedure for plugging numbers into a problem. I don't think you can render that on-topic.
01:21
On the other hand, you might be able to frame a question about interpreting the individual contributions.
02:00
@0celo7 One of my coworkers asked me if he could link my Physics.SE profile in our performance review as evidence that I know stuff.
@DanielSank This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 20 hours 36 minutes
And that's not an April fools joke :(
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02:42
@DanielSank quite a few ppl use SE profiles wrt developer interviews. there seems to be an SE program for that (job placement services).
@skillpatrol Pfft. What did he do this time?
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@hubot what parts of unity are you using/ playing with? (the engine has quite a bit of physics built in...)
02:58
@BernardMeurer what?
wait so what are you going to do?
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@FenderLesPaul: o/
@DanielSank he was just being himself...
5 hours ago, by 0celo7
WOO WOO
04:06
Hmmm ... by level 12 you're looking at a serious rain of fiery unicorn downvote vengeance.
There is a little good news: the more time it spends dropping that stuff, the slower it actually progresses across the screen.
Sad. I died on level 16.
04:50
@FenderLesPaul Start working I guess
05:12
6 hours ago, by skill patrol
Don't drop out.
Unless, of course, you're an extraordinarily gifted independent studier :-)
@ChrisWhite I think it's a pretty boring game :P
 
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08:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y
Imagine put panals on it and paint it black, then place it in the streets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdgzU_84VMg
I wonder how this magnetic field can be calculated to explain why the metal sphere rotate on its side
Have you ever taken a course with wildberger?
If not, would you want to?
Depends, I don't know really well about his teaching style, thus I cannot really say whether I like or don't like it

But on thing is clear, I do have a history to be able to get my answers from many teaching styles thus I am generally not worried
09:21
I'm not questioning your abilities, I'm just wondering if you're interested in his approach?
Enough to take his course(s).
Consider the fact that I found his rational trigonometry is useful and possibly insightful when most people said it is redundant, I don't think I will possibly have issues with

I do receive reports that he did his lecture using youtube videos and that some of them don't find it useful, but I will always clarify anything unclear with professors,thus that is also not likely to be an issue

He is a finitist, as many said. There's nothing that said the world is 100% not infinite. nor it is said that a word made of finite quantities does nt work. The fact that the 2 philosophies are not being r
anyway, are you planning or have already taken his course, cause I am quite intrigued by you raising this topic out in the blue?
PS I personally like the crazy rules of infinities, but that does not mean I will oppose any view that is against them
09:38
Nah, I was just wondering because of your proximity :-)
Last time I saw him is when a friend of mine need to ask him help on some questions. After that I am too busy on my honours research that I rarely entered the maths building now
He certainly has done a lot of work on youtube.
From middle school math up through grad school topics.
I didn't know that his linear algebra was not good, thanks for the info.
Those guys are arguing that because of his finitist background, the linear algebra context is incompatible with the background, as linear algebra (however finite dimensional it is for 2nd years) does involve quite a bit of infinities in terms of convergence, suppreumum and infimum
 
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10:56
@Secret how do you post long texts like yours? Is there a sneaky trick to get round the length limit when typing posts?
@AccidentalFourierTransform: you've obviously guessed it
use ${}{}{}{}{}$ padded out to the required length :-)
@JohnRennie yep, very clever (actually I didnt guessed it, I saw it when I refreshed the page)
I didn't want to say that in the main site since I shouldn't be encouraging people to break the rules :-)
It wouldn't hurt if you sdeleted your comment asking how it was done.
Because my text are long paragraphs, in order to not strain the eyes of my readers (and to let the to be able to understand), I linebreak my paragraphs

however (as Acuriousmind have identified a year ago) this end up with the side effect of te text being treated as copy/paste text and thus the limit does not apply
I must stress I never knew the limit exist until pointed out by acuriousmind
@JohnRennie Press Shift-Enter to insert a line break. Normal rules don't apply to chat messages with linebreaks.
@JohnRennie I promise I'll try my best not to use it ;-) (but sometimes "No" is all I can think of...)
11:08
That also breaks markdown, btw.
Aaahhhh - shift enter, thanks :-)
@AccidentalFourierTransform I only comment with "No" when I really mean "No and don't be stupid" :-)
NB Shift-enter does not work in main site comments, the way I get pass that is to use 4 doller signs
@JohnRennie Using something like   for padding is better, as that doesn't require the MathJax renderer.
I hope there are no mods watching this discussion of how to get around the site rules. We'll all end up in the sin bin along with 0celo7 and Sleareh :-)
I honestly have a presentation problem when it is doen in written form. Just today, my postgrad teamates said they have no idea what I am saying and that I say something that I don't understand, and I don't even realise I don't understand until they pointed out
11:11
@ACuriousMind aha, good point, it had never occurred to me to do that.
The exact same thing is pointed out many times in my physics discussion with acuriousmind and slereah

I am starting to wonder why I have no problem makign peopel understand in non written form, but fail to do so in written (including typing) form
Here's a first line

Then a second line, and ...

... it works!
My group also noticed I somehow unawarely overcomplicated explanations whenever I present them in written format, and I don't know why
Since this phenomenon also happen in this chat between me an others, perhaps I might find a partial answer here?
I don't know what exactly you're doing, but your explanations often end up doing things with mathematical objects that you simply cannot do with them, or that don't have the meaning you seem to think they have.
@ACuriousMind I've just tried putting   into a comment and it rendered as " "
11:36
@JohnRennie Hm, that's strange, it definitely works in answers. Perhaps that's deactivated in comments for exactly that reason.
Paste the character literal and it'll work
11:51
Hi @ArtOfCode :-)
morning
Is that the sun rising or setting in your new avatar?
Setting, I think.
Every observer will see the sun setting or rising depending on their preoccupations.
Strangely enough, I've heard a roster crow at sun set :P
*rooster
Mobile has no edit :(
12:13
@ACuriousMind would that rooster count as a valid "observer" since it crowed at both sunrise and sunset? :D
12:32
@DavidZ : re "remember, we told you not to have those kinds of discussions here", I gave some brief comments in response to some not-nice things said about me, and clarified barry's "my theory" misunderstanding. That doesn't constitute a physics discussion.
@JohnDuffield We're being cautious. If it seems like it could be physics-related, or could devolve into a discussion that is, we'll ask you to move it to another room.
(And, for the record, yes, we are dealing with both sides of the situation, not just you.)
Another room is a great option @JohnDuffield :-)
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They're so easy to create.
Semi private, no interruptions, etc.
12:55
Anybody like to discuss something?
@JohnDuffield well, whatever we call it, the messages you were posting are examples of the sort of thing we'd like you to keep out of this room.
13:08
"We" are not amused.
Doesn't queen Elizabeth say that? @JohnDuffield
@ACuriousMind this is a follow-up question on this answer of yours. Maybe you're interested in answering it.
@DavidZ :if you'd like me to keep remarks like this out of the room please ask other posters to avoid derogatory comments like trying to understand Duffield's theory is a fool's errand and it is a patchwork of poorly understood science and old theories that didn't pan out.
I see the derogatory comments are still there.
@JohnDuffield Sorry, my fault, I didn't remove them when I acted yesterday. They're going now.
Gone
@JohnDuffield remember, this is about what you post, not about what other people post.
That being said, we do notice those kinds of comments from others and act on them as needed.
@ArtOfCode : thanks.
13:14
Are you happy now?
@Bass It's nothing deep. $m^2 = p^2$ is the quadratic Casimir of the Poincaré group, and all irreducible reps of U(1) are of the form $\mathrm{U}(1)\to\mathrm{GL}(\mathbb{C}) = \mathbb{C}^\times, \phi\mapsto \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}q\phi}$ where the charge $q$ defines the representation completely.
Do you watch cricket? @JohnDuffield
@Sᴋᴜʟʟᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ : I'd be happier talking about gravity.
@Sᴋᴜʟʟᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ : not specially. I think it can be nice to have it on the TV on a sunny day, and I have enjoyed being a spectator at a cricket match. But I think the alcohol had a lot to do with that.
@ACuriousMind Okay, I can see that the irreps of U(1) are completely classified by a parameter $q\in\mathbb Z$. But why is that $q$ the electric charge?
@DavidZ : so, this sentence I received without warning after no incident, is it a life sentence?
13:21
(more precisely, $q\in 2\pi\mathbb Z$)
@Bass Take the usual Dirac action for a fermion transforming in the rep labeled by q and determine the Noether current of the global U(1), then compute the Noether charge. It turns out to be $q \cdot (\text{no. of particles}-\text{no. of anti-particles})$.
So the natural interpretation is to say that $q$ is the charge of a single particles.
In unrelated news, Unikong doesn't work for me :'(
@ACuriousMind Well but aren't all fermions in the $1/2$ rep? I know that particles with spin $3/2$ or $5/2$ would be fermions too, but all fermions in the standard model have spin $1/2$, so from the point of representation theory, there is no difference between them.
@Bass spin is about the finite-dim. rep of the Lorentz group the field transforms in, this has nothing to do with their transformation behaviour under any U(1).
13:37
@BernardMeurer your parents can't help out?
@ACuriousMind Oh, right. Gonna think about that. Thank you!
@BernardMeurer you're doing for a degree that has a lot of potential return
@ArtOfCode Just curious, what is 94cfb1fc-f77a-43b4-96a7-842922f7b128?
@EmilioPisanty A competition to see who figures out its true meaning first.
@ArtOfCode I imagine it's not the google result
13:49
@EmilioPisanty I don't know what the google result is :)
The fact that there is one Google result is highly unusual.
@DavidZ GUIDs are unique, so there should be just one Google result ;)
@EmilioPisanty Ha! It actually is... well that I didn't expect.
Uh...where does that string come from to begin with?
13:51
@Bass if page content consisted of arbitrary GUIDs, sure, but usually you'd expect a search to turn up links and references. Or, more likely, nothing.
E.g. there are a lot of GUIDs that appear in the Windows registry (or as folder names) that are frequent causes of computer problems, and there will be thousands of search results for those from tech support websites.
@DavidZ I know, jk
ahh :-P
@ArtOfCode Fair enough. I guess I'm just more confused now, but I guess you have your reasons.
@EmilioPisanty Yeah. It was there to prove my identity as an SE moderator to a jackass Microsoft Answers moderator.
@ArtOfCode be nice.
14:05
:-P
14:19
@ArtOfCode Fair enough, that makes sense.
It's now googleable to anyone who sees your foss.se profile and gets curious, though, so if it's done its job maybe you should put an expiry date on it ;-)
There's a fair amount of bile in that link tbh
@FenderLesPaul I think they could, but I don't believe they are interested ; they don't seem to think it's worth their money. As much as I'd love to I just think it's beyond reach
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Why did this answer come to as LQ?
Because of its length and content, I guess?
(as it says on the review page)
It's hard to tell.
hi guys
@EmilioPisanty long time no see!
oh.. :(
15:01
@Danu Yeah, you scared him away, obviously.
@JohnRennie ahem ;D
@ACuriousMind The bird has flown :(
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@DavidZ oh.... I don't what length is acceptable though.... content is not LQ, I guess?
@MAFIA36790 who knows. I'd say don't worry about why it showed up in the queue.
Though I did later notice it was flagged, that probably explains it.
15:29
The Lorentz transform of the vector (-10, -10) at v=0.8 is (-3.33, -3.33), correct?
x' = \gamma(x - vt) so I get x' = -1.2
t' = \gamma(t - vx/c^2) giving t' = -1.2
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@DavidZ Well, that indeed explains it....
@MAFIA36790 I didn't flag it, but Qmechanic's answer was really a comment not an answer.
I flagged it again---that should definitely be a comment.
15:35
However I'd say it was a useful comment and I would have left it there
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Well QM has written it as the prelude of the answer, didn't he?
@barrycarter: you made no comment on my answer to your question about acceleratiion
@JohnRennie Yeah...
@JohnRennie I sense today's date has something to do with it
@JohnRennie I was running some numbers myself.
@JohnRennie Today is probably a bad day to be asking questions here :)
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@barrycarter Why?
@MAFIA36790 What part of the world are you in?
15:37
It's past midday here - no asinine jokes from me (well, no more than usual)
@JohnRennie So that was your actual answer? (-1.2, -1.2)?
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@barrycarter Well, does this answer my question?
Yes, why, is it wrong?
@MAFIA36790 It would help me answer your question, unless you want to play "questions only".
@JohnRennie I suspect it is, but I also suspect you're teasing me.
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@JohnRennie: Saw the arcade developed by Stack Overflow?
15:39
@MAFIA36790 I played that, you don't get any real rep points :P
@MAFIA36790 And the high scores is a fake! You can't get on it.
@JohnRennie IE, I suspect your answer is wrong.
Back in 1982 we used to get source code for games like Killer Gorilla and hack it :-)
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@barrycarter: I'm really not making any heads of what you are saying :(
@JohnRennie After midday jokes are over?
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@JohnRennie Oh! Nostalgic?
@barrycarter In what way? Just feed t and x into the Lorentz transformations and the numbers drop out. Try it for yourself.
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15:40
@Danu: You played it?
@Danu In the UK traditionally all April Fool's day jokes have to stop at midday
@MAFIA36790 they were happy days. At that time the BBC micro was being developed and the Acorn team had close links with the Cambridge IT guys so we used to get early builds of games.
@MAFIA36790 Ugh, today is April Fool's Day... I probably shouldn't have said that.
@BernardMeurer Did you apply to any Canadian unis?
@JohnRennie Pfft
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@barrycarter Ha! Got all the heads :P
15:44
@MAFIA36790 Umm, what does that mean.
@JohnRennie Crap, you're right.
@barrycarter :: smug grin ::
@JohnRennie I'm pretty sure I meant something else thought :P
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@FenderLesPaul: Oh, I forgot! What happened to Bernard? Do you know?
@JohnRennie And that makes my problem worse, thanks. I wanted (-6,-6) or something.
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oooohhhhh.....
15:45
Holy crap, is there an event or something?
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So many people!!
Am I being mean to this user:
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Q: What is the amplitude of electric field in a laser?

ChamI'm looking for reliable informations about the amplitude (not the intensity), in volt/meter, of the electric field in a typical laser. Or in other words : what are the typical amplitudes of the monochromatic plane waves in an intense electromagnetic wave ?

Expecting him to put some effort in ...
I thought a laser was all light.
A laser beam is all light, yes. And ... ?
Oh, and thus no electricity involved.
15:47
Light is a combination of an oscillating electric and magnetic field.
Oh, duh. electromagnetic waves.
The OP wants the field strength of the oscillating electric field.
Rennie 2, Carter 0.
@MAFIA36790 they all left. Something you said? :-)
Seriously, is there an event here in 12 minutes or just a whole bunch of people wanting to chat?
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15:48
@JohnRennie aaaahhhh....
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Did someone flag something?
@barrycarter no, there's no event.
Maybe it was a flash mob?
Why would you think there's an event?
@JohnRennie You're being reasonable. It's not mean to tell them to look up values on their own.
Because I saw a bunch of people come in, assuming they were wanting to attend an event.
@JohnRennie No matter how I run my matrices, I can only get +- 3.333 and +- 30 out of the transform. Blargh.
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15:51
@barrycarter You'd be notified of that earlier if there were any event....
@MAFIA36790 Oh, auto notification of upcoming events occurs here?
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@barrycarter kinda.
@barrycarter: I have to confess that I still haven't worked out where the missing time is going in your acceleration example.
@JohnRennie No, I think you explained it really well.
@JohnRennie I'm going to look at your answer one more time... something is rotten in the state of Denmark
@barrycarter seeing the light from the earth clock yes, but working out how the earth time coordinate transforms into the accelerating twin time coordinate has still escaped me.
15:56
@JohnRennie Umm, did you intentionally reciprocalize the gamma in your answer?
Oops, bollocks :-)
@JohnRennie No, I think you provided an explanation of what both observers would see (btw, they don't have to be twins, although I suppose they could be)
@JohnRennie Fie fie fie!
Yes, it is (-3.333, -3.333)
@JohnRennie The japes and shenanigans have not ended, have they!
That's what comes of rushing through a calculation in my head
16:01
Hey who was that guy who discovered some math and wrote it under a bridge? What was it he discovered, vector products?
Hamilton - quaternions
Hamilton.
@JohnRennie I'm pretty sure you were teasing me :) And I could even "prove" it, but no point. Tis the day for merriment of all sorts.
Rennie 1, Carter 1
@barrycarter No, it was a genuine error born of excessive haste
In layman's terms, what are quaternions? It looks very similar to a 3D vector product.
16:04
@JohnRennie Hmmm... let me just say that I have a great deal of respect for you and I don't think your intuition would let you believe 10 could become 1.2 at 0.8c. It's hard enough to believe it becomes 3.333. If you'd said something like 6, I would've totally believed it.
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@Obliv Google it?
@Obliv Yes, that's almost exactly what they are.
@Obliv With the addition of a constant term.
Wow, someone starred both the original and updated scores.
@Obliv Quaternions are like complex numbers except with three distinct roots of -1 instead of only 1. By not-entirely-coincidence, quaternions of unit norm describe rotations, in 3D, which is why you might be reminded of the cross product.
@ACuriousMind Why are the vector parts of a quaternion labeled 'purely imaginary'? Is it because the ijk axis are imaginary axis?
Because i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = -1
16:10
@Obliv John Baez wrote a nice article on the division algebras:
why is it defined that way? Why not =1? @JohnRennie Thanks I'll look into it.
Well, their 4th powers are all one, just like the imaginary number.
@JohnRennie You are a cruel cruel man.
@barrycarter I am? I think John Baez's articles are generally excellent. I wish I could write half as well as him!
@JohnRennie Your link is to an article about the octonions, the ugly cousins of mathematics about whom we must never speak.
@Obliv "Why is it defined that way?" is not really a sensible question. You can also extend the reals with something that squares to 1 but isn't one, but that's a different kind of algebra, not the one we call complex numbers (or quaternionic numbers).
16:13
Am I the only one who thinks of Joan Baez whenever someone mentions John Baez?
OIC :-)
Though I think discussing the four algebras as a whole presents a nice perspective.
@barrycarter They're cousins or something, I think
John is Joan's cousin
And again I strike seconds before @JohnRennie ;)
16:14
Yes, but for someone just learning about the quaternions, the octonions are a bit much. Without associativity, we don't even have a group.
@ACuriousMind I'm just going to read this article and any questions I have at the end I'll post here. I'm too misinformed about this math lol.
@ACuriousMind admit it, you are really an IBM AI pretending to be a physicist
@JohnRennie Well, that's wrong, I don't work for IBM...
Technically, an AI wouldn't "work" for IBM.
@ACuriousMind are you any good at Go? :-)
16:17
Suspiciously specific denial.
Haha, I don't even know the rules
I'm also rather bad at chess
And you can't even win at Tic Tac Toe?
@barrycarter That is one game I have mastered :P
They say that the newer AIs will be intentionally bad at complicated games to give them a more human appearance.
what do wavefronts mean (*I am now studying sound waves*)
I saw wikipedia page but it was hard for me to understand there :(
16:27
They're the fronts of waves.
front of waves?
how can wave have a front side?
@ramsay The "wavefront" is just usually just a line that you draw along which all points have the same amplitude.
@ramsay Sorry, I was trying to be funny. A "wavefront" is just the amount of amplitude you'd see if you were standing at a given point.
@ramsay Or what @ACuriousMind said.
thank you @ACuriousMind and @barrycarter
@ACuriousMind same amplitude or same phase?
16:35
@JohnRennie Oh, yes, if you want to say it properly you have to say that a wavefront is the region of space in which all points are at such a distance from the emitter that their distance divided by the propagation speed is the same.
That wouldn't work for an infinite plane wave.
A wavefront is just a surface of constant phase.#
And how do you define "constant phase"?
The infinite plane wave doesn't work, but it's an idealization, anyway. If you take it as a spherical wave far away from the emitter, it works.
hey i am not able to digest "line" word!
because in my book it is given sound waves have "spherical" wavefront, so it means a "curve" joining same amplitude is a wavefront, *right*?
@ACuriousMind I think @JohnRennie was just pointing out that the amplitude is equal at -e and +e for arbitrarily small e (or actually any value of e), so saying the amplitude is equal doesn't suffice.
@ramsay Oh, I said "line" because I was thinking in 2D. In 3D a wavefront is a surface, not a line.
16:40
great, it made sense :-D
@JohnRennie How about you?
@Danu Never played it.
I've played chess, but only at rank beginner level
I'm always looking for new chess opponents
16:59
@FenderLesPaul yeah, University of Waterloo
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17:09
@BernardMeurer: o/
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@BernardMeurer: Did you find your college?
17:39
hey what do you guys think is better, axler or halmos to learn linear algebra?
@Obliv I use axler as a reference.
and it's also really commonly used in universities so I'd say go with that.
@Danu Want to play some chess? I'm very bad but I really like playing
@BernardMeurer @Danu I'd like to play you both a couple times :D do you use lichess or chess.com?
chess.com :)
@BernardMeurer what's your user ill add you
17:48
bemeurer
Hey, if any of you guys are free coul you answer this question of mine physics.stackexchange.com/questions/246789/…
I posted it an hour ago and still haven't received any responses. This is the longest I've ever had to wait to get an answer. It's maddening!
Chill, an hour is nothing.
3600 seconds
@NazmusSaadat I've waited days for a response :p it's even worse at physicsforums.com
But..but..Waiting is hard.
17:53
You shouldn't expect answers to come directly - that only ever happens if you either asked such a simple question that almost everyone can answer it or if you were lucky and someone with expertise in that field was online and saw your question and had time and inclination to write an answer
Have a bit of patience.
Alright. I'll wait. Meanwhile anyone want to play chess?
waiting on @BernardMeurer atm, you can open a lichess.org game and link it here and you'll probably have someone join
@Obliv I've added you on chess.com already
I hope you're as bad as I am
@BernardMeurer You have to log into livechess so I can challenge you
17:55
I see you now :p
@BernardMeurer add me on chess.com; I'm DanuThung
@Danu Added
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18:25
6 hours ago, by ArtOfCode
@JohnDuffield We're being cautious. If it seems like it could be physics-related, or could devolve into a discussion that is, we'll ask you to move it to another room.
lol, oh! thx for clarifying that!
So cruel.
18:52
Anyone willing to help me with relativity?
@JohnRennie I summon thee.
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