The h Bar

Slereah

00:00

ACuriousMind

Taking bets whether @0celo7 knows who Calvin is.

HDE 226868

Calvin had a uncle.

He was named Max, I think.

Slereah

yeah, but he is a cool uncle

HDE 226868

@ACuriousMind I say no.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind The Protestant?

Slereah

00:00

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Nope

The one hanging out with Hobbes

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Klein?

Slereah

@ACuriousMind The philosopher?

0celo7

Oh you mean the kid in the comics above?

Of course.

ACuriousMind

@Slereah Yes, of course the philosopher! What do you think I mean, some stuffed animal?

0celo7

00:02

I'm not some feral ghoul.

Slereah

@0celo7 Do you not know about Calvin and Hobbes

You filthy millenial

KIDS THESE DAYS

0celo7

@Slereah I used to read them every day in the newspaper as a kid

So up yours buddy

Slereah

NO CULTURE

HDE 226868

That strip had the best final strip I've ever read.

It summed everything up so well.

Slereah

Have you even read the Canterbury Tales

That is what we read when I was a kid

In the 14th century

0celo7

00:03

Of course

It was garbage

literally the most boring thing every

the only good one was the one where the three people died

or was it two

HDE 226868

Wow, you're sociopathic.

0celo7

@HDE226868 I'm pretty sure that's not a false statement.

Slereah

a weird thing about 1001 nights is that none of the stories most associated with it are in the original versions

Aladdin, Sinbad, Ali Baba

All are later additions

0celo7

who? what?

Slereah

they are all terrorists

0celo7

00:05

XD

I can hear @ACuriousMind smashing his head

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Yeah, that was the sounds of my head crashing through the wall.

0celo7

who is Sinbad

is Alladin the one on the rug?

ACuriousMind

It's Sindbad

0celo7

Ali baba does sound like a terrie

Slereah

"Sinbad the Sailor (also spelled Sindbad; Arabic: السندباد البحري as-Sindibādu al-Baḥriyy) "

The wikipedia disagrees

0celo7

00:07

he has an an arabic name

put him on the no fly list

ACuriousMind

Pff, it's Sindbad der Seefahrer in German :P

0celo7

who is he??

@ACuriousMind did it hurt

Slereah

Sinbad (comedian)

David Adkins (born November 10, 1956)—known by his stage name Sinbad—is an American stand-up comedian and actor. He became well known in the 1990s from being featured on his own HBO specials, appearing on several television series, and starring in the films Necessary Roughness, Houseguest, First Kid, Jingle All the Way and Good Burger. == Early lifeEdit == Sinbad was born David Adkins in Benton Harbor, Michigan on November 10, 1956, the son of Louise and the Baptist Rev. Dr. Donald Beckley Adkins. He has five siblings, named Donna, Dorothea, Mark, Michael, and Donald. Sinbad attended Benton Harbor...

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 No, my skull is very resilient

Slereah

This is Sinbad

0celo7

00:08

@ACuriousMind thought you once got a concusison

also

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Yes. Once

0celo7

resiliency does not mean no pain

does your head cushion your crashing through walls

dmckee

@Slereah Dude. Fairly poor taste, that.

Slereah

Making some baked potatoes*

So wrong but so delicious

0celo7

what

I think Straumann is an unfinished book

There are at least two parts where he promises to do something later but never follows up

Slereah

00:17

it happens

He will sell them as DLCs

0celo7

@dmckee Why not remove it?

oh my god

someone said we should sanction Best Korea

Slereah

"Don't use logical symbols at all. The symbols ∃,∋,∀,∃!,∨,∧∃,∋,∀,∃!,∨,∧ as well as the abbreviations s.t., w.r.t., are to be avoided in mathematical writing. In papers in logic, these symbols constitute part of the subject matter and are completely appropriate. In informal mathematical discourse, on blackboard or paper, they are often used as "parts of speech", in a sort of mathematical shorthand. However, they are not allowed by editors in formal mathematical writing."

0celo7

do people live under a rock

Slereah

Fuck you Munkres :V

I'll do what I want!

0celo7

90% of countries have it sanctioned

$\forall$ is not allowed?

wait what

Slereah

00:21

Hm

17 hours or so until I should go to bed

dmckee

@0celo7 Oddly, no one has actually flagged it. And social cues can led to the development of consensus without outright censorship. Which I feel is to be preferred.

Slereah

Should I rewatch Game of Thrones

you know

I wonder what Duffield is like

As a person

I don't think he has ever engaged in any non-crazy physics conversation

What does he like

0celo7

@dmckee Oddly?

I think JD is a nice person

Slereah

Do you want me to flag it :p

dmckee

@0celo7 If it is so objectionable that it needs removal, rather than just coment.

0celo7

00:24

if I'm talking about Saudi Arabia in a formal paper

is "Saudi" the official thing I use for people/things from SA

like "Saudi laws"

Gone.

GBeau

Physics GRE scores release in 4 1/2 hours D;

0celo7

is Al Jazeera reliable?

dmckee

@GBeau I've got a couple of student waiting on these as well.

GBeau

at this point I'm just ready to know so I can make the final decision on the distribution of schools I'm applying to

dmckee

@0celo7 Probably for some things. Should be good for the same easy to verify fact that you'd trust any real news agency for. Probably better than most on "mood of the street" in the Arab world. Don't follow them enough to have much more opinion that that.

0celo7

00:32

@dmckee they covered a Saudi weapons deal well

I'll scour the Times, etc. for the info, just to be safe

ACuriousMind

@Slereah He's right, you know :P

0celo7

@dmckee I thought you teach freshmen

dmckee

@0celo7 And upper division. And lead a miniscule little bit of research.

0celo7

@dmckee how many in your group?

dmckee

It's a tiny school, we're got four, count 'em four, physics teachers.

0celo7

00:34

I saw one of our governor's chair's groups (in the NE department, which is the largest in the country [world?])

was like 20 grad students and postdocs

nuts

dmckee

@0celo7 3ish right now. If you can count the freshman and the guy who's got the permanent engineering job promised.

0celo7

they use a lecture hall for group meetings

because they can

dmckee

And one of those three is one of the ones waiting on the GRE scores. She'll be leaving us at the end of spring semester. ::sniffle::

0celo7

@dmckee wait what

my high school had more D:

dmckee

Show off.

0celo7

00:38

they are all shit

except for the one I had senior year

but she's getting old, forgetting a lot of stuff

doesn't even remember any QM

dmckee

My high school only had one. But he had gotten his MS after retiring from the Air Force with 24 years and a Master Sargent's rank.

0celo7

to be fair she was an electrical engineer

dmckee

Somehow he had no trouble controlling the classroom...

0celo7

but she apparently did a double major in undergrad

@dmckee my dad did 24-ish years and retired as a colonel, he served in 'Nam

scary dude if you get on his bad side

@dmckee are you scary

this paper is supposed to be 1200 words

that's nothing

I'm 1100 in and I'm not even half done

@dmckee not you? :P

dmckee

@0celo7 No not me.

0celo7

00:51

wait a moment

are you at Mizzou?

or is that a different Missouri Univ. that has that nickname

dmckee

Why would I use ReaserchGate when I have a inSpire profile?

0celo7

ah that's just Univ. of Mo.

@dmckee didn't know you have one

dmckee

@0celo7 Apparently I'm demanding and difficult but not only am I not scary, I'm sympathetic. Or something.

Or maybe I was being buttered up.

0celo7

Dr. Garoutte has an interesting picture on the faculty page

dmckee

@0celo7 He's a snappy dresser and he really does look that happy most of the time.

0celo7

00:54

@dmckee interesting

I cannot figure out Dr. Sundararajan's degree list. "Ph.D., & M.S., University of Idaho, M. PHil., M.Sc. and B Sc., Bharathidasan University, India"

Does she have 5 degrees?

Also, typo, might want to tell her that :P

Slereah

Hm, potatoes

0celo7

Dan Marsh seems like a cool guy

time to stop procrastinating

gotta finish this paper

dmckee

@0celo7 The whole department get along well, and knows their stuff. Dan can teach anything in the physics curriculum with about 30 minutes notice.

0celo7

@dmckee Not to knock the school, but it's probably not a very big curriculum?

no string theory

tsk

dmckee

@0celo7 Well, no. It's a basic undergrad curriculum with relatively little advanced work. Originally our big mandate was to train students to transfer to Rolla for engineering degrees. But Dan has been the point man on adding advanced courses to the catalog. It's just that he needs a couple weeks notice for that.

0celo7

01:00

what's the "seminar" about

dmckee

@0celo7 No one to teach it. I certainly couldn't. Our recent retiree might, except that he's badly burned out and doesn't want to come back for a few years.

0celo7

@dmckee that was a joke, you won't find a string theory class at UTK either

at least on a regular schedule

dmckee

@0celo7 It's a directed research (library or lab) project with a term paper and a public presentation. For some students it's pretty blah, but other actually make something of it.

0celo7

one of the guys who does hep-th has taught seminars on advanced gauge theory and strings in the past, but nothing this semester

dmckee

The ones working with me were able to use the project they were doing for me as the core of their seminar, which is by design.

0celo7

01:01

but you bet we have experimental and applied stuff every semester

one of the PhD students in my group is taking a course on quantum crystallography or something

it's apparently a really good class for nuclear engineers

dmckee

@0celo7 I'm jealous. I can't even run a "lifetime of the muon" experiment with my current kit.

0celo7

@dmckee what do you need for that

I saw a cosmic ray the other day on our $500,000 spectrometer :P

Slereah

Do it like people used to do it man

With a fog chamber and a camera

dmckee

@0celo7 A bucket of liquid scinitlllator, a couple PMTs plus some HV and DAQ.

0celo7

DAQ? my group has a DAC

what's a scintillator?

dmckee

01:04

I could must the LOS with some help from the chemists, but I don't have the DAQ.

0celo7

@dmckee well, we are R1

and we have oak ridge nearby

dmckee

Data AcQuisition.

But I suppose you could spell it the wrong way with a C if you really wanted.

0celo7

what does R1 even mean again

1 billion dollars in grants?

@dmckee DAC = diamond anvil cell = way to compress and heat small samples to ridiculous levels

dmckee

@0celo7 It's suppose to mean a tier 1 research oriented program. In effect it means most of the department gets grants and publishes regularly.

0celo7

Oh

The NE department publishes all the time

dunno about the others

I wonder about researchers at ORNL who have part time positions here...do their papers count for UTK as well?

dmckee

01:08

@0celo7 Yes. Bridge positions are an indicator of a strong research orientation. And a lot of those people are on "soft money" which means all grants all the time.

0celo7

@dmckee I know there's some special relationship between UT and ORNL. For one, ORNL is run by UTB

So all the research professors have access to the labs

UT–Battelle

UT–Battelle, LLC is a limited liability partnership between the University of Tennessee and Battelle Memorial Institute that manages the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) for the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE). UT–Battelle assumed management responsibility for ORNL in April 2000 after winning a competitive procurement process. After the conclusion of the initial five-year contract with DOE, the contract was renewed for a second five-year period, extending through 2010. == See also == Top 100 US Federal Contractors == References == == External links == About UT-Battelle...

dmckee

DOE doesn't run any of the national labs directly. They always farm it out to a university or a consortium of universities.

0celo7

So the university runs the labs?

@dmckee what about Y12? if you know anything about it

Y12 is where the keep the nukes

dmckee

Can't sya I understand the reasoning behind that.

0celo7

and the plutonium

Y-12 National Security Complex

The Y-12 National Security Complex is a United States Department of Energy National Nuclear Security Administration facility located in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, near the Oak Ridge National Laboratory. It was built as part of the Manhattan Project for the purpose of enriching uranium for the first atomic bombs. In the years after World War II, it has been operated as a manufacturing facility for nuclear weapons components and related defense purposes. Y-12 is managed and operated under contract by Consolidated Nuclear Security, LLC (CNS), which is composed of member companies Bechtel National, Inc...

also contractors

dmckee

01:12

@0celo7 Don't know anything about that. My work has never taken me to high security areas.

0celo7

some of our upper classmen have internships at Y12

but...nuclear security is boring as all hell

apparently the positions aren't that competitive because no one applies...

@dmckee you do neutrinos, right? (stupid question, I read your linkedin)

I saw a paper which proposed a nuclear defense device using a neutrino beam

Somehow you got some neutrinos and antineutrinos and then shoot them at the warhead, causing a detonation. somehow

@dmckee does that pass the HEP common sense test?

dmckee

@0celo7 You'd need unreasonable beam densities unless the device was pretty damn unstable in the first place.

Nothing wrong with it in principle, but the entire main injector beam at Fermi lab gives you neutrino events per minute in a multi-ton detector...

And they call up Illinois power before they fire the thing up to ask fro some space capacity to be brought on-line...

0celo7

how do you focus a neutrino beam

@dmckee Sorry, what?

dmckee

@0celo7 You make it as well focused as you can manage (which isn't very) and then you cope... physics.stackexchange.com/a/15007/520

@0celo7 They call the power company to let them know they're about to crank up the accelerator. SO the power guys can make sure the spare capaicty is on-line and a black-out won't insue.

It was worse when the Tevatron was still running. That thing called for an entire plant all by itself.

0celo7

@dmckee ohhh spare capacity

dmckee

01:21

Ah. Yes. My finger think they no better than my head.

0celo7

*fingers

*they are

:P

I think ORNL just gets TVA to power them.

Don't know how much their collider takes.

@dmckee Do you know of any HEP books that take a field theory approach? Thomson's book is nice but it's kind of strange because he never gives any field theory reasons for the stuff he derives using old-fashioned perturbation theory.

dmckee

Walecka makes a lot of use of QFTs in his book, but it is aimed at relatively low energy physics (JLAB-esque, few GeV stuff). It might still be interesting to you, because it spends some time on why to use field theory in some places and old-style approaches in others.

However, I don't think it is available on-line.

0celo7

@dmckee I have a school library...

dmckee

The only other HEP book I know reasonably well is Perkins, and it is very old fashioned.

0celo7

Intro to modern physics?

dmckee

01:30

@0celo7 I think the title is "Nuclear and Subnculear Physics"

0celo7

or the nuclear physics

@dmckee yeah

dmckee

@0celo7 Yeah, if you are asking about Perkins.

I got to take Walecka's class at William and Mary while I was at JLAB. He arranged for us to get parking pass, even, which are like gold on that campus.

0celo7

@dmckee anything that has "modern physics" in the title makes me cringe

@dmckee been there once

where in VA is JLAB?

dmckee

30 minutes south of W&M. In Newport News. You are more likely to have heard of "Hampton Roads" which means the 5-7 little cities around the mouth of the James River.

0celo7

I've been to Richmond many times

not that far away

@dmckee I dread having to deal with parking next year

DanielSank

01:35

@ACuriousMind That is silly, IMHO.

@ACuriousMind Is that a problem?

0celo7

@DanielSank The ends do not justify the means.

Slereah

Convex normal neighbourhoods are pretty important for causality theory man

0celo7

You're just now figuring this out?

I knew that before I was a man

Slereah

no

I just am seeing a

lot right now :p

0celo7

why three posts for that, you could have said that in one

Slereah

01:38

You are still not a man

0celo7

@Slereah wtf what is the condition

Slereah

Have you even killed a man yet

0celo7

why would I admit that

Slereah

That is the threshold of manhood

0celo7

I'm not stupid, COP

Slereah

01:39

No problem, BOY

ACuriousMind

@DanielSank Yeah, I think it is a problem when you want to discuss morality but your definition of what even constitutes morality doesn't include that which other people might call their morality.

0celo7

Top of the Eifel tower. December 28.

2000 hours local time.

Be there or punk out.

No guns.

Just you and your favorite knife.

ACuriousMind

@DanielSank E.g. people hold moral positions that there are some actions which are never moral. This is not a morality by your standard because there's no other goal achieved by not commiting those actions than that they are, well, not commited.

Slereah

heheh

Watching Game of Thrones again

Joffrey is such a little bitch

0celo7

@Slereah you down for making a trip to Deutschland around Christmas?

wait are you actually in Paris

that's a long ass trip

nevermind

Slereah

01:44

Also got stuff to do on Christmas

and new year

0celo7

like CTCs?

closed timelike christmas

Slereah

That plus getting drunk with friends and fireworks

0celo7

drunk

what kind of person are you

Slereah

on the devil's nectar

0celo7

do you even wear a suit to the store

or at least a nice polo and khakis

Slereah

01:47

Nope

Hoodie and jeans

Sometimes I don't shave for weeks

0celo7

I don't think @ACuriousMind has ever shaved

@Slereah wow aren't you afraid you might get shot

Slereah

I'm not in America

And I am as white as the driven snow

0celo7

as my dad said after the referenced incident

hoodlums are hoodlums no matter their color

do you can be a white as snow gangster

Slereah

Yeah but you need the swastika tattoo and all

0celo7

not really

Slereah

01:51

And it's too much of a bother

0celo7

but I got mine a while back

was near a tat place

"why not"

Slereah

Plus you have to shave your head every day

Quite a bother

0celo7

is your linkedin picture not you

because you're bald in it :P

or almost

Slereah

Well I shaved to take a nice photo

DanielSank

@0celo7 That is one of the most foolish pithy sayings in history. It only makes sense if you ignore half of the ends.

For example, suppose Alice kills ten people to save a thousand.

People would say the "ends" are a thousand lives saved, and the "means" is killing ten.

That's dumb.

Then ends includes the ten dead people.

Slereah

01:58

But what does Bob do

DanielSank

@ACuriousMind Well, I think it's important to clarify what we mean with our words before engaging in what could be meaningless discussion.

@Slereah If it's a quantum system, he probably has a particle which is entangled with Alice's.

Slereah

Depending on the result of the collapse, he will kill a cat

DanielSank

In any case @ACuriousMind, I think you'll find it rather difficult to talk about morality in the "usual" sense of "what people ought to do".

0celo7

I'm sure Bob is entangled with Alice's "particle"

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