I don't mean that if it follows that rule it must be true

haste is false, and we know that already

I'm trying to use a stone to get information

Guesses have to be guesses at the rule.

then it's not a guess

You can't just say "this is part of the rule"

do i get my stone back?

Yes. There is a known counterexample.

pass

bobo's turn

mondo hassle guess false

guess true

hassle is false

mics: 2, bobo: 2

guess has h and t and isn't haste

:D

(that's a way to get more information)

(if that's actually correct, JD, you're banned from Zendo forever)

intuition is true

but you could have gotten another false counterexample

you have a stone left

pass

mics:2, bobo:1

master time

time is false

pass

master intuitive

pass?

guess: has at least two members in the set {'h','t'} with multiplicity and is not haste

:D

made the rule more explicit

@John?

You mean, at least one h and at least one t?

@JohnDvorak either >=2 h's or >= 2 t's or both an h and a t

oh.

octagon is true

mics:2, bobo: 0

Mics' turn

OHHHHHH!

@micsthepick

thinking

master post

post is false

pass

mondo motor guess true

guess false

motor is false. Mics' turn.

mics:3, bobo:0

ok, just checking a case

hmm

master octal

octal is false

pass

mondo operation guess true

guess true

operation is true

guess: has two identical letters separated by a gap of at least two letters

rotor is false

mics:4, bobo:0

?

ohh

grr... should have checked some more

master police

police is false

pass

mondo tooting guess false

guess true

tooting is false

guess: has two identical letters and closest pair of identical letters is separated by at least two letters

arachnophobia is true

mics' turn

let me check something

ok, maybe now I have it

Do you want the log?

True:
rhythmic
thrust
truth
hypotenuse
heater
intuition
intuitive
octagon
operation
arachnophobia

False:
black
fail
falsity
shell
haste
guess
embodying
pass
post
motor
octal
rotor
police
tooting

oh, hold on

there goes my theory, unless

intuition is already known, but I also revealed another word. Does Bobo lose the stone in this case?

@JohnDvorak presses the off button

@Deus rules clarification please!

I don't think he should lose it.

I'll give Bobo another guess then, but we need a ruling after the game

guess: there is a pair of identical letters separated by at least two more letters such that the separating letters and one of the identical letters are all unique

I don't think I understand your rule. Rotor is known false.

in RotoR, you have oto+R which has two O's

all the letters in between need to be unique ^ (and also not the same letter)

Oh. Understood.

Hold on, thinking

hears gears turning

it would be funny if this was nothing like the actual rule but happens to almost overlap for the set of words in the English language

Even funnier if there was no counterexample

afk for a few minutes

True:
rhythmic
thrust
truth
hypotenuse
heater
intuition
intuitive
octagon
operation
!arachnophobia

False:
black
fail
falsity
shell
haste
guess
embodying
pass
post
motor
octal
rotor
police
tooting

I can't think of a counterexample. Congratulations!

What.

wait

You can't think of one either way?

My rule was: Word has a non-palindromic substring that begins and ends with the same letter

let me see

Any two-letter string with letters unique is non-palindromic, so I'd need a positive example

I believe ONE-ON-ONE fits your rule but not Bobo's

It contains ONEO

yes

so it fits your rule

but no letters are unique

They are within the substring.

aholla?

not a word

but something like that

The rule didn't say "within the substring".

@micsthepick SHELLS

nice find

so is that a valid counterexample?

Shells is a valid C/E

identical letters .. such that the separating letters and one of the identical letters are all unique

Shells is a valid counterexample indeed

Welp

I was looking for something in the form A.*BCBC.*A, forgot about A.*BB.*A

Anyways, Bobo's win

Can't play again, sorry.

and, he would have won after one more round or two even if I did bring up shells.

If I didn't

True

statistics is almost another counterexample

status, cobblestone are

Cobblestone is not, cobblEstonE

coBbleEstonE -> TRUE

@Wen1now yeah, so cobblestone isn't a counterexample

(I have no idea what's going on)

btw, if there're'nough players here then I could play another round

o/

O/

maybe ask in TSL

afk for a few minutes but will be back

oh well, I'm back, but have to leave again

o/

o/

I don't know what this is. :P

O/

@You still waiting for someone to write the rules for Meta

@You Look at the pinned message

Check the pinned message for the rules

Okay.

who wants to be master

I do

k then

give us dem rules

A valid koan is an integer. Example: 1. Non-example:2

um

Master 7

7 is true

master 120

Master -1

120 is true

-1 is true

are there any more players?

you is readin ghte rules

master 15

15 is false

Master 4

4 is false

master 30

30 is true

Master 9

9 is true

1, 7, 120, -1, 30, 9

Master 25

25 is true

hold on, dearie

oops sorry

master 5

5 is true

master 17

17 is false

then back to the regular schedule

coder?

Master 29

I think I understand now. So, there's two rules: one that declares valid koans and one that declares special ones. We take turns saying "master" followed by a valid koan to determine whether it has the special property, or "mondo" and a valid koan to have everyone guess whether it has the special property. Whoever guesses correctly gets a guessing stone, which allows a player to guess the special property at any time. The master must provide a counter example in order to continue the game.

yes

If I play all the games, I will have a "rules for dummies" section in all of the games! :p

sorry, I missed this - 29 is true

You can only guess the special property during your turn

master 63

63 is true

Okay.

So am I playing in this round?

If you want to be

Okay, so when do I go?

now? :)

Okay.

Master 135.

135 is true

I think I know the rule now. :p

You don't have guessing stones, though

Yeah. That's a problem.

ugh i have a rule with 1 counterexample

@You on your next turn, mondo something

Okay.

Master 20

20 is false

master 8

8 is false

(pass)

???

@You your turn

Mondo 57 is false.

guess true

Yay! I'm doing well!

@thecoder16 guess?

guess false

57 is false

okay you, you can guess the rule

Okay.

The rule is a koran must have an odd number of odd digits (i.e., 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 repeated 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, .. times). Even digits are acceptable.

yes

that is the rule

nice

nice

Do you wish to master now?

Okay.

(I won't be playing in the next game)

Just give me a moment to create some rules.

A valid koran is one that satisfies the regex /\d+(\.\w+|\[\.\d+\])/ (one or more digits, followed by either a dot and alphanumeric (including underscore) characters or a decimal without a number before the dot surrounded by brackets). Examples: 623.BaNaNaa63, 7[.6070]

That's a rather complex validity rule

This might help: regex101.com/r/3Epgvm/1

Is that too complex? I feel like I made it way too complex.

When it takes a more-than-minimal effort just to determine if a proposed guess is even valid, You Might Be Doing It Wrong™.

Yeah, I think so

Okay. Give me a moment. :p

and we need a non-example

A valid koan is a string of alphanumeric characters. Example: HelloWorld1. Non example: Hello World!

also, it's a koan. a koran is something completely different :)

Those don't seem to be alphanumeric, unless you gave us multiple examples of each

wait, are those the rule examples? or valid koan examples?

I gave multiple examples.

You shouldn't

the non-example should be a valid, but non-matching, koan

Oh.

I have to rewrite it.

?

A valid koan is a string of alphanumeric characters. Example: HelloWorld1. Non example: hi.

That looks better :)

Thanks.

master 3dogs

It only took 5 tries.

3dogs is true.

Who else is playing?

master: abcdef

abcdef is true.

ppp? coder?

If not...

master C4

C4 is false.

master: c1B2

c1B2 is false.

master l33T

l33T is false

Thankfully. :p

master: elite

elite is false.

master DoGs3

DoGs3 is true.

Is this really just between the three of us?

yes

unless Mics want to join

master: fred1

fred1 is true.

master ema1L

ema1L is false.

master: cccc0

cccc0 is false.

I have to go now. If anyone wants to be the master, here's the rule: onetimesecret.com/secret/1f5vc93c3sqnckwgctd2l40dtal565x

There's not enough people to bother.

Oh, well. :p

reveal, I guess

define "coherent"

there really should be just one rule.

An English word or a name for a human that is not ridiculously uncommon.

define "English word", "name for a human", "ridiculously uncommon"

English word: a word in the Oxford dictionary, I guess?

You should clarify that for yourself before using it in a rule

and apply the definition strictly

Human name that is not ridiculously uncommon: a name that is actually given to humans, whether in reality or fiction, that isn't something that sounds riddiculous.

I really should have had better rules.

Anyways, I really have to go now. Bye, all!

once again, "ridiculously uncommon" is subjective. It shouldn't be.

Also depends what common means. Very few fictional names would be commonly given, but would likely be commonly known.

"at least one lowercase, at least one uppercase, at least one digit, at least six characters in total and at most 8" would be a valid rule.

I guess the quorum has dispersed now and it's time for me to head off to bed

after the whole regex thing I had low hopes for this rule :P

the rules should say that easier is better

yeah, rules must be objectively interpretable

(ironically, a regex-based rule would've been better since it would at least be valid)

but yeah, easier rules are definitely better

I'm still awake, though ;-)

OK, night

I'm here :p

o/

o/

o/

O/

Any willing defenders?

master is the proper term

meh

meh

meh

@ppp you want to go?

if no one else is willing to, then sure

Why not? Nobody is objecting

Hello?

yes ...

Got a rule?

I'm thinking

master 111

...?

I've made a mistake

A valid koan is an integer. Example: 111; Non-example: 112

(restarting)

bed time, sorry

o/

O/

o/

master: 123

123 is true