Zendo - 2017-09-04 (page 3 of 3)

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11:00 PM

master 100

100 is false

master: 333

333 is true

master 0

0 is true

11:02 PM

master: 1111

1111 is true

mondo 321 true

guess true

321 is true; both of you get stones

guess: true iff digits are in an AP

11:03 PM

uh, I don't understand the guess

what is an AP

^

Arithmetic progression

aka, you mean true if the didgits are in either ascending or descending order?

No, like 1,3,5 is an AP

I think I understand ...

11:04 PM

constant difference between sequential numbers

Basically, if the number is ABC then A-B=B-C

If the number is ABCD then A-B=B-C=C-D

counterexample: 1010 is true

am I correct that that is a counterexample?

Yep

master: 1234

1234 is true

11:06 PM

master 135

135 is true

master 1224

1224 is false

Are you going to use your stone?

not yet

mondo 101112 guess true

11:07 PM

guess false

101112 is false

master 10527

10527 is true

(Alconja has 2 stones, Wen1now has 0)

making a guess

guess: true if odd digits are odd

counterexample: 20 is true

11:10 PM

(passing?)

yes, sorry

master 67

67 is true

master: 2

2 is true

11:12 PM

master: 123456789

that is true

master 987654321

that is true

oh, hello, we're going - can I join?

^

11:14 PM

sure, you two can join

master 32781

either way does someone have a list I can look at?

(alconja, that's a pass right?)

@Wen1now true

TRUE:
111
123
333
1111
321
1010
1234
135
10527
20
67
123456789
987654321
-----
FALSE:
112
100
101112
1224

11:16 PM

what's the order?

Sorry about that little formatting battle :)

wen, me, bobo, ffao

master: 963852741

true

master: 84222

false

Mondo 888444222 guess true

11:18 PM

guess false

umm.. guess true?

guess false

888444222 is true

@ffao passing?

Guess: the longest run for all digits in the number is in non-decreasing order (does that make sense?)

11:19 PM

Um, 100 is false

^

So it would be 0:2 and 1:1

Which decreases

oh

ah

if I understand this right, counterexample: 899 is false

11:21 PM

Yep, that's right

No more stones for me

This rule is weird

master 192253

false

mondo 951736482 guess true

Guess true

Guess true

11:23 PM

guess true

951736482 is true

pass

is it correct now that everyone has 1 stone, except alconja, who has 2

I think so

Wen has at least 2

11:25 PM

yah, wen has 2 stones too

@boboquack your turn

oh, sorry

umm

master 677

677 is false

guess or pass?

Master 889, pass

889 is false

master 1, pass

11:28 PM

1 is true

(oops, sorry wen... skipped you)

I'm just going to answer when clued and leave handling the turns up to you

master 656

656 is false

@bobo your turn (to get us back in correct order)

11:34 PM

ok

master 933

Skip me if I'm not back by my turn

^

933 is false

@ffao

(assuming boboquack passes -- you all have stones)

11:38 PM

I think we assume everyone passes unless they immediately say "guessing" after their turn

... or do a mondo

ok, skipping ffao... @wen

who said "skip me if I'm not back"

ok, master: 30

Leaving, sorry

11:42 PM

30 is true

@ffao nps, cya

I thought the game would be faster :c

@bobo you back?

or @wen?

@ffao zendo games are traditionally slow

@Alconja looks like it's just you

I'm back

Can I have a tf dump?

11:45 PM

ORDER:
wen, alconja, bobo
-----
TRUE:
111
123
333
1111
321
1010
1234
135
10527
20
67
123456789
987654321
32781
963852741
888444222
951736482
1
30
-----
FALSE:
112
100
101112
1224
84222
899
192253
677
889
656
933

I think that's all of them...

Zendo rules are often harder to guess than you think

o/

... I think I'll just spectate

@Wen1now are you going to guess something

who's turn is it?

11:49 PM

no, it's your turn

2 mins ago, by ppperry

Zendo rules are often harder to guess than you think

mondo 55669999 guess false

actually

... especially when others take a while to guess

can I change it?

sure

wait no, that's fine

11:52 PM

guess true

@Wen1now

Sorry

guess true

55669999 is false

yay

guess: false iff at least two different run lengths

everyone has two stones, now

@boboquack what dos "two different run-lengths" mean

11:54 PM

write the runlengths - e.g. for 55669999 it's 2, 2, 4 - then since there two different numbers, 2 and 4 it's false

Is it my turn nuext?

so, I think you've found the rule

I don't think so

I think I know what the rule is but there's a bit of a misunderstanding

then give a counterexample?

656

11:56 PM

656 is false

^

but it has 1 1 1 as it's runs

False but has all run-lengths being 1. (that also gives away the rule?)

second guess:

true iff all digits used are used the same number of times

and that was the rule

656 is false because it has 2 6s but only 1 5

I can't defend, someone else want to?

@Wen have you used your really good rule yet?

11:59 PM

Nah

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