The Awkward Silence

Extroverted Main Man

05:48

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Q: How to as coworker to go slower so I can learn how to do it

I started a new job recently. I already new the person who I work closely with, and am friends with him. This may change the typical dynamic for a work relationship. Anyway, he sometimes goes really fast when showing me how to do things. So fast I can't understand. I try taking notes but it's n...

user5389107

06:09

Morning

Cashbee

helloo o/

A J

morning

@Cashbee So, how was your training?

Cashbee

@AJ it was no training, we had to go clean up some avalanches. its not exactly military but more a "civil protection" pendant.

A J

Oh

Cashbee

also my keyboard is gone, wtf

writing with mouse now(monitorkeyboard) lol

^ obligatory, if unfit for military service

oops *pendant = equivalent

A J

06:31

related meme ^^

Cashbee

@AJ lol totally

Mithrandir

@1006a correct, unless you have moderator superping powers

Cashbee

07:13

aaah, finally found a working keyboard. phewww

Tinkeringbell

Heya! Welcome back :)

Cashbee

@Tinkeringbell thanks

glad to see I'm still RO :D

Tinkeringbell

@Cashbee Hahaha of course! :D You're not going to get kicked from that for a week and a half off :)

Mithrandir

del-pls, flag-pls | VLQ ("try this") | How to communicate to a new coworker that I am not comfortable being touched?

→ 9 messages moved to Trash

flag-pls, del-pls | NaA | How to handle a manipulative person who owes me money

user5389107

07:37

@Tinkeringbell If that was the case I'd be gone, too

Tinkeringbell

@user5389107 Yeah, and the moderators wouldn't have any time left for the main site, because we'd be busy picking out new RO's every week :P

I guess it helps that there's 3 of you, so that when one or two are more absent, there isn't automatically a new one assigned ;)

user5389107

tbh this room would do fine without ro's

80% of all posts are by network mods anyways

Mithrandir

The IPS Comment Bot would reign supreme

Tinkeringbell

@user5389107 That much? Wow. We need to get rid of some mods in this room :P

Cashbee

@user5389107 is what it seems, while we have RO's, yes. maybe the more rude messages would pour in more consistently if there were no watchdogs in this room.

but yeah there sure are many mods here

Mithrandir

07:41

There are literally... 2 users currently in this room who are not a moderator, room owner, or bot.

SQB

08:29

Somehow I've become a trusted user on IPS.

Mithrandir

Bad idea. You should never trust SQB.

:P

SQB

Ah, this one blew up over the (extended) weekend.

Mithrandir24601

@Tinkeringbell Or we could try and get everyone elected as a mod :P

SQB

Extended, because of whit monday.

Cashbee

08:49

@SQB I'm a bit sad that Tom's answer was not upvoted that much.

it would totally be my approach

A J

@SQB I am trusted user on two sites. :P

SQB

Me too. Interpersonal Skills and Science Fiction & Fantasy.

A J

@SQB For me: IPS and M&TV

Tinkeringbell

I need to be active on more sites... I've only reached that on IPS

Cashbee

how can I see where I am trusted?

Tinkeringbell

08:55

@Mithrandir24601 Pretty sure that's not how it's supposed to work ;)

A J

@Cashbee 4k on beta and 20k on graduated site.\

Cashbee

trust me already (ಥ﹏ಥ)

Loki

I think the "score" to become a trusted user on IPS is lower than most other SE.

Mithrandir24601

@Tinkeringbell I'm not saying we do anything illegitimate!

Tinkeringbell

@Loki It is lower on every beta site, IIRC

Mithrandir24601

08:56

@Loki Yeah, IPS is still in beta

Cashbee

@AJ ah right, voting to delete comes with being trusted.. I forgot

Tinkeringbell

Ugh... my windows pc keeps bluescreening :( It does that every time after windows tries to install updates :/

Mithrandir24601

:/

Mine's fine :P

Tinkeringbell

I don't know what's gotten into the thing... But every time I shut it down and it installs updates ... the next day I'm having trouble with startup and bluescreens :(

BAD_SYSTEM_CONFIG apparently. I want to scream and shout at it now, it's system config was fine when I shut it down yesterday!

Stupid updates :(

Cashbee

have you tried downgrading to Windows ME? xD

Mithrandir24601

08:59

The laptop I had before this one wouldn't even run Windows, so I used Linux instead :)

@Tinkeringbell Yeah, just use Linux

;)

Tinkeringbell

But I don't like Linux :P

Mithrandir24601

@Tinkeringbell That's impossible - you just haven't found the right one for you yet :P

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir24601 Oke, so which one looks exactly like windows?

I'm in :)

It works again.

Cashbee

Gates be praised

Mithrandir24601

@Tinkeringbell Zorin OS, possibly? (according to Google)

Loki

09:03

I feel a bit bad asking this, but can someone review my answer ? First because of probable grammar mistakes and then because I am mostly uncultured with LGBTQ+ vocabulary so I fear I've may have been offensive or innapropriate.

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir24601 Hahaha ;). How is gaming on Linux? Will I still be able to play rollercoaster and zoo tycoon?

SQB

@Tinkeringbell try Mint.

Mithrandir24601

@Tinkeringbell Not bad actually, there's native (steam) support for a fair few things - it probably depends on the exact version though. For everything else, use Wine!

Yeah, Mint's supposed to be good

Tinkeringbell

Well, if there ever comes a weekend where I'm really bored, I might try it ;)

user5389107

Play minecraft

be like me and zombie 15000 hours into minecraft :D

Cashbee

09:09

@user5389107 impressive xD

A J

or complete all levels of Plant VS Zombies (Game of the Year) :P

Tinkeringbell

@Loki I'm.. on the fence about that one ;) See the comment I left on the question: I am reading it like 'how can I discuss with Alice why she doesn't use the preferred pronouns'... most answers seem very much focused on either explaining why Alice should use the preferred pronouns or even making Alice do so

Sid

@Tinkeringbell why do you have auto-update on?

Tinkeringbell

I think your experience can prove some valuable insight into why Alice doesn't use them yet, but it offers no guidance on having a conversation with Alice to find out about these reasons...

Cashbee

I remember seeing a video of a minecrafter who built some kind of assembler or processor. that's frickin' amazin

Tinkeringbell

09:11

@Sid I haven't. But I do update from time to time for security :)

Sid

Meh. Windows Update sucks. But, then, there's nothing better I guess

Cashbee

@Loki yes, the actual answer to the question hides somewhere in there, trying not to get found. And as tinkeringbell said, The question is (probably?) about speaking with Alice about why Alice isn't using correct pronouns

Tinkeringbell

@Cashbee If it is, that would invalidate all 4 current answers :/

user5389107

09:29

@Tinkeringbell reaps the rewards of answering an unclear question :p

Tinkeringbell

@user5389107 That one... is exactly why I left a comment on the question :) It addresses so many things while not giving so much guidance on how to do them (and it lacks back-up!)

Loki

Thanks for all the useful input. I'll try to make my answer clearer

Tinkeringbell

@Loki Maybe the question needs to be clearer first ;)

Cashbee

@Loki what we were trying to say is: don't. just wait

Loki

Oh alright !

Well. I am skilled at waiting :D

Cashbee

09:40

my best skill is to exist

I am very good at that

Loki

My girlfriend really sucks at that. What a shame

user5389107

I'm a paradox, I both exist and do not at the same time

So I'm intermediate at the skill to exist

Cashbee

@Loki I hope this is meant as "I have none" and not "she died"

Loki

First one first one @Cashbee

Cashbee

@Loki good to hear. I mean.. uhm.. yeah

user5389107

09:43

@Cashbee Do you actually though or are you a figment of somebody's imagination?

Maybe this is all happening in tink's head

Cashbee

@user5389107 in which case i would still exist. just not physically

Loki

Maybe it's a evil deamon who is trying to trick you !

Cashbee

I think, therefore I am

although I am better at being and not at thinking

Loki

This discussion makes me think about this comic

Cashbee

@Loki sorry I'm at "work". can't be reading comics

Sid

09:49

For some reason, I keep thinking that today is Sunday

Cashbee

you arent a good thinker either, huh? :D

A J

@Sid I was on leave yesterday, so it feels like Monday to me. :P

Loki

I think Sunday is the 6th day of the week

Mithrandir24601

@Sid I'm totally confused about the day :P

SQB

So mods, how about implementing a "dear abby" close reason?

Tinkeringbell

09:51

It's Tuesday! Not that hard: It was the day all electrical power was lost in the morning! :P

@SQB Eeermm... I think that needs a poke to the rest of the mod-team ;) Will do :)

Mithrandir

10:41

Hmm, apparently I killed the third gear in front. That's gonna be fun.

Mithrandir

10:53

I am encouraged by videos such as these :P

→ 6 messages moved to Trash

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Time for a new bike ;)

Mithrandir

No way, I just have to replace the gear

A J

@Mithrandir You have three gears?

Mithrandir

Yeah, that's pretty standard. I've got 8 in the back, which is less standard.

A J

Cool!

Do you participate in bicycle race or any other bicycle related sports?

SQB

11:05

That one has 9! Do you really use all of them?

Mithrandir

@AJ I'm taking lessons for tricks and stuff, but I'm not actively racing

@SQB I usually stick to 3-6, but I'll use the others at times.

SQB

I had a 2 x 5 as a kid, but I stick to single speed these days. My wife and the kids have gear hubs on their bikes, though. From 3 to — I think — 7.

Mithrandir

I'd post videos of my doing stuff but I can't :P

SQB

Can't post videos or can't do stuff? ;)

Mithrandir

both

A J

11:14

@Mithrandir Are you afraid that your true identity will be revealed? :P

SQB

Even a bunny hop would impress me; I can't do jack on a bike except riding it.

Mithrandir

A bunny hop is harder than it seems :P. I can do wheelies, some jumps, and I'm working on jumping onto like ridges... which is apparently how I smashed the gear.

going down stairs is easy; up, much harder

A J

@Mithrandir That's a simple law of gravitational force, nothing new. :P

Mithrandir

I don't use that third front wheel very often, so should be fine for now, but still... better to get that fixed

ArtOfCode

3x7 is pretty standard here

@Mithrandir that's 1st, not 3rd

SQB

11:29

I've just protected some questions.

Mithrandir

@ArtOfCode it's gear "3" on the switcher. Front, not back.

ArtOfCode

oh, missed that

Mithrandir

If I killed gear three in the back that'd be a lot worse.

ArtOfCode

...not that it should've looked like a rear set in any case, but there ya go :)

SQB

You'll want a bash guard, then, to go with that new gear.

A.k.a. a skid plate.

Mithrandir

11:35

I have one... but it's also broken. wry grin

Cashbee

funny. you never see 3gear bycicles over here, let alone 1gearers. standard here is 3 in front, and about 6 in back, resulting in 18 different gear settings

Mithrandir

I'll take it over to the shop in about half an hour and see what they can do.

It's still under warranty, at least

ArtOfCode

@Mithrandir are they just bent, or sheared off?

Cashbee

but maybe that is one side effect of living in mountainous lands

Mithrandir

@ArtOfCode bent, mostly

A couple are sheared

ArtOfCode

11:38

@Mithrandir and do you happen to have one of those torches that you use to caramelise the top of meringues

cuz... those are totally meant for bike maintenance too

Mithrandir

I do not :P

SQB

I don't think a warranty would cover you smashing your gears on a curb you tried to hop.

Really, get a bash guard.

IPS Comment Bot

@Flater I disagree. No matter how aware the mother is of her behavior, if the OP starts responding like this answer suggests then she'll quickly realize that the OP is responding a certain way every time they're talking about this topic. That should lead to either the topic no longer being discussed (positive result for the OP) or the mother trying to figure out why the OP is responding that way, which will let the OP make it once again clear that they don't appreciate this behaior (again positive result for the OP). I don't see how this approach can fail to solve the problem. — Cronax 12 secs ago

#14778 Cronax (1698 rep) | A: Help my mother to understand my choice when it comes to having children (score: 13) | posted 19 hours ago by WendyG (1702 rep) | edited 14 hours ago by Kat (1921 rep)

Matched regex(es) ["chatty"]

SQB

Then count every time you hit it, then think that each of those times would've meant a smashed gear.

Mithrandir

This is... a bit more than a curb that I'm hopping. They're perfectly aware of what I'm doing with it - that's why I bought it

I'll snap a pic of what I'm hopping later

SQB

12:17

Well, hopping something. I'll be surprised if it is covered by warranty, though.

Cashbee

12:43

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/q/14782/8077 after requesting clarifications on their goal (in order to go away from a phrasing request), op stated the goal to be exactly a phrasing request. Which meta should i link to, where it says that phrasing requests are off-topic?

I can find this and this but I don't think they fit very well.. any ideas?

Tinkeringbell

@Cashbee Link to the help/on-topic page ;)

Cashbee

@Tinkeringbell i don't like that this page is so incomplete..

Tinkeringbell

@Cashbee But I think it's the only place where 'don't ask for what to say or which arguments to use' is explicitly mentioned as off-topic

Cashbee

OH was it edited? it seems so much longer than i had in mind

Tinkeringbell

@Cashbee A while ago, yeah :P interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2390/1599

Cashbee

12:48

@Tinkeringbell GREAT! but I think I must have visited that page since it was reworked. strange. but you won't see me complaining!

Cashbee

13:07

situation resolved, a small edit was enough IMO

Tinkeringbell

Nice ! :)

Cashbee

it's still in review queue though. let's hope its resolvers realize that it's all good now

Tinkeringbell

@Cashbee You're free to delete your comments and leave one that says you think it's fixed now ;)

Cashbee

@Tinkeringbell i'll leave my last comment as a whole but removed my first.

if OP sais my edit is fine, i'll remove

Tinkeringbell

@Cashbee Good ;)

Cashbee

13:18

I find myself more and more wanting to set a deletion-timer on my comments xD

Tinkeringbell

@Cashbee Hahaha ;) Yeah, I get that :)

Cashbee

where you can choose either an amount of time to pass or directly after the pinged user has read it

that would be awesome to the max

but I know i know, SE is a small indie company.. :D

Extroverted Main Man

13:31

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Q: Is smiling most of the times okay?

While staying with a group of friends, colleagues or with a single individual, is it okay to have smiling face always during normal conversations or while wishing others such as good morning etc., Most of the people who interact won't say anything for and against it. But some frank people ask t...

india non-verbal-communication

Cashbee

@ExtrovertedMainMan That is an interesting mix of opinion-based and etiquette

A little rewording could help nudge it onto the rails of a good etiquette question. I don't have the time though at the moment

Mithrandir

13:59

@SQB this warranty is basically "everything except popped tires"

they have to order the new part, it'll probably take around a week

SQB

@Mithrandir okay, cool.

Colour me surprised.\

Still, a bash guard would be a good idea.

Mithrandir

14:19

Indeed.

adds bash guard to list of stuff that I need

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir How long has the list gotten in the meanwhile?

Mithrandir

It went a lot down recently, but it's on an upwards trend again.

Cleats, shoes for the cleats, pedals for the cleats, gloves, new gear, and bash guard at the moment

SQB

14:39

Note that there are hybrid pedals, with one side for cleats and the other side for regular shoes.

That makes it easier to switch.

Cronax

15:53

My personal experience with those hybrid pedals is that they're more trouble than blessing, but when I used them it was about 15 years ago, perhaps they've gotten less terrible in the mean time :D

scohe001

@Mithrandir I'm not the pro, but wouldn't you want something closer to a BMX bike for tricks and stuff?

Mithrandir

16:12

@scohe001 This one was recommended by the coach

scohe001

@Mithrandir Dang, you're serious. Well if you ever get a good video that somehow keeps your face out of it, I'm sure we'd all love to see!

Mithrandir

I'll see :)

I'll try to post a picture of the place where people yelled at me for practicing, but I have to run now

Sid

@Mithrandir Oh, people yelled at you? Yell at them back? :P

scohe001

@Mithrandir Haha sounds good. Good luck with your tricks!

Extroverted Main Man

17:52

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Q: How can I decline someone's business card with tact?

I am in a technical field but I work with sales, and I am often given business cards by vendors or customers at work. I know that I will never use them, and I almost always immediately throw them away. However, accepting the card seems dishonest. I would be embarrassed if they caught me throwing...

awkward-situations etiquette

Extroverted Main Man

18:11

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Q: Work email communication

Being a programmer, I largely run on the logical/factual side which tends to get me in trouble with my emails being read in tones not intended. One email, I even was sat down with my boss for being "condescending" when I by no means meant it that way at all. I just try to layout the information a...

work-environment coworkers email

scohe001

18:44

Quick question...I want to leave a comment on this question to the effect of the following:

"Hey Greg, welcome to IPS! It's usually good practice to hold off on accepting an answer until your question has been up for at least 12 hours. We have a lot of users from all around the world and you never know if you'll get an even better answer when they wake up! This will also give your question a chance to get a little more exposure."

But it's not a suggestion for improvement of the question...is it still good under our comment laws?

Tinkeringbell

@scohe001 Yeah you can ;) You're suggesting an improvement to someone's behaviour :P

That's one of the comments that falls within the 'exception' class ;)

And... 4 answers withing an hour? That's a lot!

scohe001

@Tinkeringbell Oh boy, this rule sounds like it could be exploited :P

HDE 226868

@scohe001 Yeah, I definitely agree with @Tinkeringbell. This is something of an exception.

scohe001

@Tinkeringbell There's even more on that newer email question! We must all be chomping at the bit for new questions

Tinkeringbell

@scohe001 Well, I do have buttons to press if you start doing that :P

scohe001

18:51

Hahaha not the buttons! Anything but the buttons!

Tinkeringbell

@HDE226868 Hey, you wrote an answer too :)

HDE 226868

@Tinkeringbell On the other question, yeah.

Tinkeringbell

That's not true, I need to learn how to read

HDE 226868

I can expand a bit on my past email woes, though.

Tinkeringbell

@HDE226868 Maybe a bit more on how you've improved it? ;)

That I think is more informative than knowing what kind of short and sweet stuff you've been sending your colleagues ;)

HDE 226868

18:57

@Tinkeringbell Done. I gave a recent example. (Not that I've ever written something as bad as the "Don't do this!" example I gave, but still, it shows there's a difference.)

Thanks for keeping me honest, so to speak. ;)

Tinkeringbell

@HDE226868 Hahaha I'm just mean ;)

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/14651/1599 Any thoughts on this? It looks to me like it might be more of a commentary than an answer?

scohe001

Hmm I think it'd be more okay if he explained why "Tact, kindness or any other sort of politeness should not be a goal"

At that point it would be like a frame challenge (since OP is asking for a way to do this "tactfully")

Mister Positive

19:52

@Tinkeringbell Congrats on winning the moderator election! I missed it or I would have voted for you!

Tinkeringbell

@MisterPositive You didn't miss an election ;)

Mithrandir

there was no "election" per se

the community managers ~~pulled names out of a hat~~ made careful selections

Mister Positive

Really? You were just given it? Well, congrats anyway!

Tinkeringbell

@MisterPositive Yeah, I got a suprise e-mail when waking up one day. Came as quite a shock, to be honest :)

Mithrandir

that's the way mods are appointed on beta sites...

HDE 226868

19:54

@Mithrandir pulled names out of a hat/consulted the gods/stared into the depths of a palantir and asked Sauron

Mithrandir

...except for Parenting, which just had the first ever experimental beta election.

Mister Positive

@Mithrandir I see. Thanks.

Tinkeringbell

@HDE226868 I think I can blame Shog. :P

Mithrandir

Shog, Sauron, same thing

Tinkeringbell

@MisterPositive Anyways, you're trying to get your diamond the hard way? :P Good luck to you too :)

HDE 226868

19:55

@Mithrandir Actually, yes, they are.

Mister Positive

@Tinkeringbell Thanks, Don't think it will happen, but thanks.

@Tinkeringbell just stopped in to say hello and congrats. Take it easy!

Tinkeringbell

@MisterPositive Thank you :) You too!

Mithrandir

also since he's apparently now a chat meme

The Greatest Showman - Rewrite the Stars - Evynne & Peter Hollens

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Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Again? Don't you have anything better? :P

Mithrandir

hey, that's new

Tinkeringbell

20:00

Sounds just like everything else :P

Mithrandir

@HDE226868 ahaha

@Tinkeringbell Fine. Here:

A Whole New World - Disney's Aladdin - Music Video - Nick Pitera (Cover)

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Tinkeringbell

@HDE226868 That was so perfect no-one else dared to write an answer! :D

@Mithrandir That Alladin is not my type :(

He would probably make an awesome Gaston though

Mithrandir

He's singing both parts

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir And it sounds like he's using his nose too much

I'm sorry, not really a fan ;) I like Hollens better :)

(Note that I am very critical, but can't sing anything myself :P)

Alexander Rybak - That's How You Write A Song - Norway - Official Music Video - Eurovision 2018

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Sid

@HDE226868 That's brilliant! Hilarious

Tinkeringbell

20:09

I like that one :) I had hoped it would win :)

Mithrandir

I hated the song that won

Sid

Right, I never understood Eurovision. Is it only for European countries? Or other countries as well?

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir But it was your country's song! :D

Next year, you could go see Eurovision live :D

Mithrandir

@Tinkeringbell I still hated it :P

Tinkeringbell

@Sid Europe + Australia because they're cute :P

Mithrandir

20:11

@Tinkeringbell here, this better? youtu.be/xfUa4IVRZFI

Sid

Wait.. Israel won it this year. I thought Israel was part of Asia.

Tinkeringbell

@Sid I think it's still Europe continental wise ;) I think the border to Asia lies much further east... Lemme look it up.

No wait, it's not on the map. @Mithrandir what was Israel doing at the Eurovision? :P

Mithrandir

Europe and Asia are technically the same landmass

Tinkeringbell

We now have our first custom close reason: The one for questions asking 'what should I do' has just gone live! :D

6

Mithrandir

\o/

Tinkeringbell

20:14

@SQB ^ Because you asked about that this morning

Sid

Right... Now, I have to write some synonym of that sentence for questions... :P

@Mithrandir Well... that doesn't change the fact that they are different continents.

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Well, I'm impressed by the guy managing three instruments at once!

Mithrandir

[OFFICIAL VIDEO] Bohemian Rhapsody – Pentatonix

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Tinkeringbell

20:39

@Mithrandir Oooh! Pentatonix :D

Mithrandir

just look though gist.github.com/superplane39/16877a1fbf1d1781c5468b1b3b0305c1 and you're bound to find something

. youtu.be/kQt9jKDCqHo

Tinkeringbell

Krezip - I would stay

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I grew up with that one :)

Mithrandir

her face looks like a little boy o_o

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir True :)

@Mithrandir Nice :)

(If you ever want to hear a song in Frisian: youtu.be/JZon1B6a5Z4)

scohe001

21:03

Is there a way to undo a flag?

Tinkeringbell

@scohe001 Depends on the kind of flag ;) Post flags can be retracted, comment ones not IIRC

scohe001

It was a comment flag :(

I guess it'll probably end up getting rejected

Tinkeringbell

@scohe001 Don't worry, one wrong flag won't get you in trouble ;)

scohe001

@Tinkeringbell Haha it's more like there goes my perfect record

Sid

@Tinkeringbell [you live in a nice place] (weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/…)

Tinkeringbell

21:06

@scohe001 meta.stackexchange.com/q/285003/369802 You can't retract it, sadly ;)

@Sid More a failure of the police and justice system than being nice: I'm sure if we hadn't cut funding for the police as much as it was, there would be more criminals locked up.

Sid

Well, they seem to give away Prisons on rent to other countries. So, the police obviously isn't interested to catch the Criminals.

Tinkeringbell

@Sid They are, but there's apparently a huge pressure on the forensic detectives, way too little people to handle everything?

So, people walk free because there's not enough capacity to properly handle the smaller crimes... And I've got some experience with that in person :/

Introverted Meta Man.

21:22

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Q: Can we start enforcing the "back it up" policy?

We've had "back it up" policy for almost a year now. It was one of the earler things we seemed to think important for the quality of answers on the site. We've had more than a few discussions about supporting answers with experience or references, as well as a few discussion about the problems ...

feature-request answers moderation

Tinkeringbell

@IntrovertedMetaMan. Pretty Please? :D

Cascabel

I'm a little confused who we're waiting for to say it's okay.

There was already strong voting in favor of this on the previous question. If the mods say they're okay with it too, and the voting doesn't somehow flip around and go against it, we're kind of done?

Tinkeringbell

@Cascabel I think it's a timezone thing ;) I'm part of a team after all ;)

Catija

We can't force users to vote to delete answers that fail to meet the meta guidelines.

Cascabel

@Catija no, but you can, when some users do flag them, add post notices and/or delete

Catija

21:30

Which means that they're expecting the moderators to pull all of the weight and bear all of the complaints.

Tinkeringbell

We can start putting up those post notices everywhere? Gives a pretty strong sign that stuff can be deleted?

Cascabel

Well, if y'all think that's enough reason not to do it, you kind of have to get out there and say so.

Catija

The problem is that it's pretty damn subjective what's "sufficiently" backed up and what isn't.

I delete lots of really low-quality answers that don't support themselves but they're all really blatant.

There are also lots of times where we don't even necessarily see those flags because they go through the queue before we look at the flagged posts list.

Tinkeringbell

@Catija Thing is, if we delete them, they also need a moderator to undelete them. Which puts a lot of power in my hands: I can delete everything I don't find sufficiently backed up, but then when do I undelete it? I know that I'm probably the most critical when it comes to backing up ;-)

Catija

Exactly. We make more work for ourselves.

Tinkeringbell

21:34

I do agree with @Cascabel though, that we should use this last meta post to carefully state what our stance on this is.

Because on one hand I sometimes get the impression people are hanging back a little because there's no guidance...

And on the other hand it would be really useful to have something to point to.

Introverted Meta Man.

22:26

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Q: Can we have a new Post Notice for Moderators to use on questions that don't sufficiently meet our "Back it up" rules?

The current post notices don't really meet the need for addressing the problems of answers that don't meet our "back it up" policy here. Having such a notice would make it much more likely that I'd use a post notice in this case. It also saves us from having to write comments on all of these pos...

feature-request post-notices

scohe001

@Tinkeringbell I can attest to this. There have been a few times where I've almost commented that the user needs to back it up but haven't been quite sure what I'm doing would be right. It would be nice if there was one definitive place to go for this with boilerplate Tink comments® and all

Introverted Meta Man.

22:46

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Q: Can the back-it-up policy be codified into our help center?

Just thinking that moving forward with the back-it-up policy, it would be helpful to be able to point to our help-center as an authoritative reference. One specific place would probably be on: https://interpersonal.stackexchange.com/help/deleted-answers Just adding another bullet point saying...

feature-request help-center

Mithrandir

23:24

@apaul - word for word? Really? DIY Dance Hall?

Jesse

I think it is very much time to make a meta post trying to define what constitutes a not-backed-up answer.

It is a tough question to answer... majority of our accepted answers are not backed up properly. For me idk if this is going in the right direction but im happy to see how it goes. I come from the position that only answers that make some sort of "claim" need to be backed up. And that is hard to define

scohe001

@IPSCommentBot feel free to delete that and the rest of the chain in a few minutes once he's seen it. I'll be flagging then too.

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