@Rainb sending only a meme or a joke is not a good conversation starter to begin with 😉 if you want to start a conversation, the best you can do is ask questions. An example with a meme: <meme.jpg> Haha don't you think this polar bear looks like my mother?
The problem of bullying, persecution, even suicide through the shame of not fitting in has always been around in many cultures. Now there is support, publicity and care.
I'm the author of the post, and I'm actually not "part of the target" of those offensive jokes. I mean, I'm bisexual, but they don't know about it and I've never been harassed because of that. It doesn't prevent me from caring. I'm against all forms of discriminations
@Marcus I'm in one of the groups that gets trotted out lately as needing additional support, and I can say that I feel like a large part of the "awareness" crowd is more interested in publicly showing how good people they are then any actual solutions
I mean, I don't take the SJW kind of viewpoint. I just do not like people telling my friends they don't matter or worse, they have no right to exist :)
@Marcus depends how you look at it. On the one hand there are many minorities. Is this similar to racial equality work? In a lot of ways, I guess it is - people should just be treated equally. But in other ways, there is a hidden subjugation that perhaps isn't there with race, as gender is not necessarily visible
@JourneymanGeek I get the latter one a lot (I'm asexual). A surprising amount of people are of the opinion that asexual people hold no value to society and should be culled.
Something about being an abomination against nature/god's order/whatever the hell they use to justify blind hatred of that which they cannot understand
@JourneymanGeek Actually many people find it disturbing. I may not be asexual but I'm definitely "low"-sexual, and people who are aware of just explain it because I'm a woman, and, "you know ... you gals want way less sex than we dudes do!"
@avazula that's nuts! Some guys want loads, some girls do. Some guys want none. SOme girls want none. It's like: who cares what other people do with their bits? Nobody else's business.
@RoryAlsop Well, there's been a growing movement in France, composed of men and women who choose not to have children. It's been 10+ years since permanent contraception (like sterilisation) si allowed in France, but most doctors and gynaecologists won't do it anyway, because "It's life biggest achievement to have children and you'll see you'll regret if you do"
AAAAH Thank you people! It's so good to read advised opinions!
Point is, it's somehow quite difficult not to be straight / white / willing to have children in France right now.
(at least in France)
@Magisch I'm myself adopted, and most of my future kids (if not all) will be adopted :) I can't understand why people desesperately trying to have natural kids won't even consider adoption...
@RoryAlsop My bf actually thinks more or less like that, like "I want to transmit my genetic legacy" this is only my POV but I don't get how's that even a thing
@Cashbee It may be, indeed. But it seems like an easy excuse to bring when you refuse all the other basic instincts and claim humans aren't animals and then react "so primarily" when it comes to procreation. Sounds easy to me.
@Magisch I get it, and I agree. But we're intellectually-evolved beings, we can understand that raising adopted kids won't be much different than raising your own
Staying angry or even getting angry is emotional work. I have a very limited amount of that to commit to places. Getting angry at something that affects me in absolutely no way whatsoever and doesn't negatively affect anyone else either is a waste of my energy akin to just being angry at clouds for forming
@Magisch I don't know about your country but in mine it's been decades since people got away from churches and TBH most people don't recognize themselves in whatever communities right now, and they miss this feeling of belonging to something bigger IMO. Hence the critique. They're united in critique.
Sure, but there's plenty of people who don't have obvious genetic defects and that want to procreate. As I said, needing more people around is not a thing on the world right now.
If I ever get the urge to raise kids I'll adopt some and get the added benefit of not subjecting loved ones to annoying defects.
Of course not, but right now, more people are having kids then is good for the ecosystem. In such a situation it is logical for me to not add to the extra with already below-average gene material
@Magisch this is what a couple of my friends said - my kids seem happy and healthy so friends have said they are happy to leave me to it and don't need to add any of their own into the local population :-/
@RoryAlsop I've been pro child-free during ten years for the same concerns @Magisch raised. Now I don't know where I am, but I've always wanted to have children (so even if I wouldn't procreate I would adopt them) and after lots of discussion with different people I came to the conclusion that bringing a new life on Earth is indeed very costly in terms of resources, but you can also try to raise good citizens who try to be the most ecological people they can be
I don't begrudge people wanting children at all - I'm just in a position where it's very tenable and advantageous for me not to have any, so I'm taking advantage of that.
@Marcus My sexual orientation and gender identity is whatever the hell it is and that's nobody's business but mine. Unfortunately, some people don't think of it that way.
We're a minimalist family with my bf (and our cat): we don't own much, we buy second-hand, we eat vegan, grow our own veggies, I only use my work computer to browse the internet, and we go on vacation on bike. It's not enough, of course, but we're trying to do what we can to curb climate change.
@avazula yes! So I work in the UK and across various countries, which is inherently not great for the environment. I fly to those other countries. And I have children. However I am also very focused on the environment, so I minimise waste, I insulate my house well to minimise power, help clean up the environment etc. A bit of a dichotomy, but doing as well as I can within bounds.
I get to repair, resuse, repurpose many of the things in the house
@Mithrandir I think it has to do with the general imperative. In my experience, most people who take issue attribute their caring to serving a higher power that has an interest in and jurisdiction over all of humanity. E.g "my god says you can't do this and by doing it you're damning us all!"
Less extreme variants exist but that's been the majority of the hate.
@Mithrandir (personal guess ahead) It gives that nice feeling of feeling superior and rigtheous and above others without having to do the work of actually being a good person (a majority of the other stuff in there)
@JourneymanGeek yep - it's one of the things that makes me happiest. Being paternal can include mentoring, coaching, helping those who have none of my genetic material :-)
@JourneymanGeek When charcoal did that smoke detector autoflagging expansion your concerns were specifically marked as important to staff for us to adress, for one
@avazula You're welcome. Just keep in touch with people here, even if there's no IPS mod around they can help with flagging and delete voting. Best we can do is get rid of the stuff after it's posted. I'm sorry the notice doesn't seem to help :(
For those eager to know more about gender history (and the example of native american tribes as mentioned above), here is some interesting resource: newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/…
This is a small bug but nonetheless.
There was an answer where I felt it was teetering on the edge of merely NAA and rude & abusive. I downvoted it and cast a delete vote. It was latter destroyed as abusive by a mod.
Now, when people visit that post, they see this:
The deletion text implies ...
@Mast Oh, don't worry, there's a lot of software engineers around n_n though it lacks of protocols and switches to me (I'm sorry, I miss my hardware activity... ._.)
@avazula 1 that I saw, possibly 2. That one might've been another room. Long story short: usually a couple of those users will drop in, with or without being visible, and make sure there's Room Owners and/or mods in the room to handle the situation.
I tried to find the original link NOT from facebook but I wasn't able to, and I thought about not posting it, because it was from facebook. I definitely realize that facebook is a lot of clickbait and i've been careful the best I could about it
Things get really interesting when there's 4-5 flags in succession in the same room. By that time usually half a squad of mods drop in accompanied with a platoon of 10k users.
No problem. Even if a chat flag gets validated, at worst the message gets deleted (at the first offence). A chat ban of a minute perhaps, not sure about that. It's when your messages attract flags regularly it gets a different story.
the more messages that are deleted via flags, the longer the suspension gets extended for for each message flag-deleted during the suspension, i believe
This is a small bug but nonetheless.
There was an answer where I felt it was teetering on the edge of merely NAA and rude & abusive. I downvoted it and cast a delete vote. It was latter destroyed as abusive by a mod.
Now, when people visit that post, they see this:
The deletion text implies ...
