@rumtscho as much as I like the latest gossip, didn't y'all create a secret room yesterday? Are you going to clean it up please?

my grammar is suffering.

But if it is a problem, we can make do without it.

@Tinkeringbell Do you have a specific concern?

This isn't about gossip.

@rumtscho hmmm, I just think it might be a bad idea to leave breadcrumbs everywhere? But if it's 'usual' business, forget my comments.. if @Catija made a room for you yesterday, why not talk there?

If you're going to clean up after, feel free to come in here to kidnap Shog...

@Tinkeringbell I actually came here to ask if he is OK with being kidnapped, else I would have kidnapped him outright :)

Guys: When was the last time I posted something constructive in here?

sorry for intruding on you, will keep out now.

@rumtscho nah, I didn't want to kick you out... just curious because I've never seen things like this happening before

@rumtscho You can come back at anytime you want. :) (I can't tell you not to.)

Part of it was also my "fear" of superping: I was told to only use it for really, really grave exceptions, and I didn't know if this one counted.

@rumtscho meh

It's not like a mod message

@Mithrandir me mod messaging Shog simply doesn't compute!

@Mithrandir I did that the previous time interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2073/5412 never got an explanation from the moderator who deleted it or from the moderator who declined a flag I raised about it. Meanwhile another answer got removed interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/6951/5412 5 downvotes, 3 delete votes, 0 explanations, no other answers to the question which wasn't closed so I guess(all I can do at this point) the question is on topic this time.

@Tinkeringbell only six mods and the CMs can see the room. What is your concern? Deleting the room doesn't change that.

My philosophy on superpingd is just use common sense. If it makes sense to ping them - this is worth notifying them about - then ping them. I wouldn't superping for a silly joke, but I don't think you need to fear using it.

I have no trouble with that room

Then I guess I was being too cautious with it.

Caution with mod tools is good

When Mithrandir became a mod I was worrying if he had caution.

Turns out I still don't know.

@Catija twas the info lying around in here about what was in that room that worried me. That's cleaned up now :-)

So we're all good :-)

Thank you for reminding us to do that cleanup!

@Shog9 Duly noted, I apologize for bringing it up. Please keep responding to me in the future(when you feel like it), I will separate it from official SO contact in case of a problem.

@rumtscho Thank you, that's better....

Well... That was productive

@apaul was it? What have you learned today then?

:P

@Tinkeringbell That sarcasm is sometimes indicated by the use of italics.

@apaul so, you're not satisfied yet? What's wrong then? Is it still the post notice?

@Tinkeringbell Yup.

I don't think you can change that overnight :/

@HenryWHHackv2.1 status-declined

I get it, you don't like it being labeled controversial... and I totally agree with you that it shouldn't be even necessary...

But...... the internet IS a bad place

If we want a corner where we focus on questions and answers.... we'll need notices to warn people they won't be tolerated here because no person wit many opinions is going to read the help center first

It seems unlikely to change, unless more people understand the issue and get over the excuses...

@apaul which is why we allow constructive questions and answers...

Not the discuss3and excuses

@Tinkeringbell Like I keep saying, I'm fine with the post notice, just could use some better wording.

@apaul That's good.... try to think of an alternative then.... or ask on meta... I hope you can get people to understand...

(Or you might think of it as something that's not perfect, but works as intended.... as most programmers do when it comes to code ;-) )

@apaul So take it to meta. That's what caused the post notice to exist. State your concerns and maybe a solution.

@Catija That's what started the discussion today... Just looking for potentially better words.

I'm pretty sure @Shog9 isn't set on the current wording if you can make a strong argument for changing it. He's already changed it once.

Hell, the thing could not even have a title line and serve the same purpose.

Something like " Just a reminder — You may use comments ONLY to suggest improvements. You may use answers ONLY to provide a solution to the specific question asked above. Moderators will remove debates, arguments or opinions without notice."

Meta

@Catija just asking for a hand before writing it up...

✋

^there's a hand ;)

@Mithrandir 😒

@apaul question first.

@Catija what?

Don't propose your solution in the question.

@Catija Ahhh