The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

Zaphod

03:49

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Q: Gutsworld - a Graphic Novel about a Puritan, Victorian-Era Society trapped in a Whale-like Creature

EDIT 2: What I'm looking for now is Visual Evidence of this thing's existence. Everything I've got together so far is below, and in the comments. It was about a Puritan, Victorian-era society trapped in a whale-like creature. I remember it being called "Gutsworld", but upon looking it up, all ...

xkcd

04:15

Life hack: Wait for an advanced civilization to be briefly distracted, then sneak in and construct a slightly smaller Dyson sphere inside theirs.

Edlothiad

04:45

@heather unfortunately I don’t see how that phrasing is all that much nicer, but I’ll drop the case now.

Mithrandir

07:36

PSA: I'm revamping the jules-verne questions' tags and bringing them in line with current policies (cc @heather).

heather

@Mithrandir what does that entail, out of curiosity?

Mithrandir

Renaming them to be the full names, since we can do that with the 35 character limit (e.g. around-world-80-days => around-the-world-in-80-days), removing the jules-verne tag from questions not about the author himself, and adding work tags where they don't already exist.

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir You mean removing the author tag and replacing it by work tags?

Ah, ninja'd :-)

Edlothiad

And doing so without flooding the front page with old questions, one would hope.

Some users get warnings from moderators for that, it is known

Rand al'Thor

Don't worry, Mith is well aware ;-)

Mithrandir

07:46

@Edlothiad I should know; I got one back in Feb' 2016.

Rand al'Thor

Wow, half the jules-verne questions are closed.

Pity they're too old to migrate to Lit.

Mithrandir

could always encourage 'em to reask

Edlothiad

What's the age limit?

Mithrandir

13.

16 for the EU.

although nobody is required to go chase down underage users

Edlothiad

@Mithrandir Ah, it's a competition now?

Mithrandir

07:49

@Edlothiad ?

Rand al'Thor

Yep, this book isn't really sci-fi or fantasy. Save your question for Literature SE if/when that site is created :-) — Rand al'Thor ♦ Jan 4 '17 at 12:00

Aww. If only I'd remembered this two weeks later.

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad ...oh. 6 months.

IIRC.

Edlothiad

You have to be 16 to read the Star Wars EU? TIL

Rand al'Thor

What are we even talking about now?

confused

Jenayah

No, but you have to be 16 to participate in the discussion ;)

Rand al'Thor

07:55

@Edlothiad Ohhh, got it. Good one.

@Mithrandir ?

Jenayah

@Randal'Thor little misunderstanding between Mith and Ed about which age limit they were talking about. The latter was talking about age limit for migration, the former replied with age limit for users' inscription.

Edlothiad

:45830219 I thought that was funnily relevant to the bande deesinées conversation we had yesterday. Guess not everyone's a fan of Les Schtroumpfs...

Rand al'Thor

Time limit for migration is 60 days.

@Edlothiad Are you pinging yourself, or using the wrong sock?

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor hey, at least I remembered it had a 6! :P (I almost never migrate anything.)

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor I only wear one type of sock, and they look like this:

Saves me from getting them mixed up

Rand al'Thor

07:59

@Mithrandir No, you just receive migrations from here ;-)

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor Cimer

Mithrandir

exactly

Jenayah

@Edlothiad Different logo, but I do exactly the same :)

Edlothiad

Why make life complicated with pairing socks when all your socks are pairs?

Rand al'Thor

@Edlothiad Ousnay onsparl igpay inlat caisfran?

Or is that just my riddler mind?

Edlothiad

08:01

I was speaking French, you're speaking gibberish

Rand al'Thor

You seemed to be speaking Pig Latin French.

So I responded in kind.

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor I thought it would link back to the hello video that disappeared, but it didn't do the arrow thing

Why's it not inlatay and caisfranay?

Rand al'Thor

Same reason it's not cimeray.

Edlothiad

And if it was pig latin french wouldn't it be Cimeray

Will you let me finish?! Golly!

Rand al'Thor

:-P

Mithrandir

08:04

Rand al'Ninja

Edlothiad

I don't actually know how pig Latin works so...

Rand al'Thor

Nor do I exactly.

Jenayah

What's Pig Latin?

Rand al'Thor

I was guessing it's <2nd-syllable><1st-syllable> for 2-syllable words and <syllable><1st-letter>-ay for 1-syllable words.

Edlothiad

Also wouldn't it be "Parlons nous francais latin cochon ?"

Does that even make sense?

Do I even speak French?

Jenayah

08:05

Also, just FYI "cimer" falls under the slang category of "verlan", which would translate to "versere" as it's the reverse of "à l'envers". The goal of this category is to put the words in reverse, creating slang

Rand al'Thor

@Edlothiad Depends on whether you translate "pig latin" word-for-word or just copy it over as a loanphrase.

Edlothiad

Cimer was cool in the 80s/90s according to my sources

One shouldn't say it nowadays if they want to fit in with the hip and cool (I guess that means you're cleared for use @Randal'Thor ;-P )

Jenayah

One of the most common verlan idioms is "laisse béton", which is the verlanization of "laisse tomber", which is the equivalent of "let go, give up on it"

Renaud Laisse béton

►

French singer from the 80s, mostly ^ he uses a lot of this kind of slang

(this is not the daily floof :p )

Edlothiad

Isn't beton concrete?

Jenayah

Yup

Which adds to the "funny" aspect of the slang

Edlothiad

08:14

So he's just leaving concrete?

Jenayah

If you take the slang literally, yes. :p

But it really means "let go, give up on it"

Edlothiad

I prefer the idea of him just leaving concrete around.

Jenayah

^^

lyricstranslate.com/nl/laisse-beton-just-drop-it.html English translation of the above song. Most of the slang and quips get lost in translation, but hey, that's always the case with translations.

Edlothiad

You're french! This is the greatest french song ever:

Khaled - Aicha

►

Oh this one has the Arabic lyrics, I don't know that bit

Jenayah

08:30

I'm not a big fan of love songs, but to each his own :)

Mithrandir

08:52

@Jenayah that makes two of us then

TheLethalCarrot

@Mithrandir I created a basic tag excerpt for the tags you've created, or four of them at least, can you check I got things right and perhaps expand on them a bit if needed. Blank excerpts aren't too helpful really

Mithrandir

@TheLethalCarrot sure

I only looked at the one for the-mysterious-island, but I edited that one and you could take a look at that. I don't have the time now to actually go through the others.

TheLethalCarrot

That looks better, I only created something basic so it was somewhat helpful. It would be best for someone, like yourself, who is more familiar with the work to fix up the other ones too

Mithrandir

(psst, don't take me as an example of someone familiar with the works, as i'm not)

TheLethalCarrot

09:08

Well I'm only saying you are cos you seemed interested the other day and took it upon yourself to create the tags

Edlothiad

@Jenayah One doesn't have to like love songs to be aware that this is classic. Just like one doesn't have to like church hymns to know this is a glorious song:

National Anthem: England - Jerusalem

►

You can ignore the footage mostly

Jenayah

@Edlothiad don't wander into discussing with a French person about what is a French classic and what isn't :) seriously, we don't even agree on that between ourselves, ahah!

Edlothiad

@Jenayah This isn't decreed by me, I only learnt the song from my rugby team, and rugby teams only bellow classics!

It is known

Jenayah

@Edlothiad for half a second I thought this would be the "it's coming home" thing :)

Edlothiad

Oh god no, that's awful

TheLethalCarrot

09:13

It did not come home

Edlothiad

Well if you keep singing it it might happen some time

TheLethalCarrot

In the next 6 to 8 millennia

Edlothiad

Maybe an ex-colony will win it at some point and you can claim it off them

Mithrandir

@TheLethalCarrot Heh, no - I just noticed that that tag had issues that should be corrected. The tagging system has always been something that ~~drove me crazy~~ I've taken an interest in

Jenayah

@Edlothiad rugby + song + French reference:

Hymne Aviron Bayonnais + Paroles

►

TheLethalCarrot

09:15

Sounds like a good idea

@Mithrandir You and Ed both then

Edlothiad

@Jenayah Terribly catchy, but I've never heard it before

@TheLethalCarrot Mith and I, things in common, impossible!

Jenayah

@Edlothiad there's a big tradition of rugby in southwest France (Basque country), and this is kind of the official hymn for the teams there. After what it became a song to sing in any rugby-related event, and joyful parties (student's inductions periods sing a lot of those, but they're not the only ones)

Edlothiad

Interesting

TheLethalCarrot

09:56

@b_jonas Author tags should be used for questions about the author only

b_jonas

@TheLethalCarrot No, that depends on which author.

For Jules Verne, we have so few questions that we don't want to create a tag for each of his sci-fi works.

TheLethalCarrot

No, author tags should only be used about the author

b_jonas

I won't be watching thirty separate tags to answer your Jules Verne questions.

TheLethalCarrot

And actually that is exactly what we do

Well create a universe tag if possible but that is not what author tags are for I'm afraid

b_jonas

oh great.

so you untagged all the Jules Verne questions.

and now there's no easy way to find them.

TheLethalCarrot

09:58

No, Mith did

To keep inline with policies

I just rolled back your edit

b_jonas

the tag was there because I've read thirty of his fucking books, most of which are sci-fi, and I want to watch new questions about that.

@TheLethalCarrot find, it's just that now I'll no longer find new questions, or even old ones.

TheLethalCarrot

I suggest you edit your comment, be nice and all that

b_jonas

@TheLethalCarrot which comment?

TheLethalCarrot

The one with the swear word right front and centre in it

@b_jonas Well you will, the update in the next 6-8 weeks will even help with that

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot This is not true, we use author tags as franchise tags for authors where only minimal amount of questions have been asked, for reasons exactly as jonas describes.

TheLethalCarrot

10:00

Also, if possible with his works, a universe tag might be the way to go

Edlothiad

What is the new update supposed to do?

Finally nest tags?

TheLethalCarrot

No

Basically the new nav again

Edlothiad

Make it easier to favourite 30 tags?

TheLethalCarrot

So tag watch lists and stuff like that I believe

Edlothiad

I'm not sure why it's necessarily difficult to follow 30 tags, but understand it's more effort than one might care to go through.

b_jonas

10:02

Go and retag scifi.stackexchange.com/q/63670/4918 then if you want to keep this ridiculous system.

It's definitely not a question about the author.

It's an in universe question.

TheLethalCarrot

I'm not saying it's perfect and I'm not the one in the process of cleaning it up

The tag system itself is imperfect but we work with what you've got

b_jonas

I'll just recommend people to take their Jules Verne questions to Literature SE then.

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Edlothiad

Again, b_jonas isn't wrong, and that question doesn't need to be retagged.

@b_jonas Out of interest, why can't they be on SFF?

TheLethalCarrot

@Mithrandir See above, probably not worth removing Jules Verne tags apparently

(I don't agree with it but if it's a policy, even a soft one, or culture then we'll have to live with it)

b_jonas

@Edlothiad I can't find them there if they can't be tagged, plus some of them aren't even SF.

Edlothiad

10:05

You can't find them if they're not tagged with jules-verne? I find that difficult to believe

b_jonas

I already asked a few in Literature.

Edlothiad

This has gotten me quite a few hits already

b_jonas

@Edlothiad How would I find them? Should I subscribe to the tags for each of twenty SF novels, half of which don't yet have a tag, many of which have different titles for English translations and are tagged in English so I can't even guess the tag name (we should tag them in French)

TheLethalCarrot

(we should tag them in French): No English site so English tags I'm afraid

b_jonas

@Edlothiad yes, that gets some false positives though, and won't make active questions show up in yellow in the questions tag.

Edlothiad

10:07

No we shouldn't tag them in French, the English names would likely be whatever is listed on wikipedia. Spending 2 minutes to type some tags into your favourite section isn't exactly world ending, at least not in my opinion.

b_jonas

@TheLethalCarrot Will you create tag synonyms for all the alternate title translations? Do you even know the translated titles of Indes Noires?

Edlothiad

The Child of the Cavern

Les Indes noires (literally The Black Indies) is a novel by the French writer Jules Verne, serialized in Le Temps in March and April 1877 and published immediately afterward by Pierre-Jules Hetzel. The first UK edition was published in October 1877 by Sampson Low, Marston, Searle and Rivington as The Child of the Cavern, or Strange Doings Underground. Other English titles for the novel include Black Diamonds and The Underground City. == Plot summary == Covering a time span of over ten years, this novel follows the fortunes of the mining community of Aberfoyle near Stirling, Scotland. Receiving...

TheLethalCarrot

Use the most common one, I'm sure the translations aren't that dissimilar either

b_jonas

@Edlothiad That will be so helpful when a new user tries to tag their jules verne question.

Edlothiad

that took me less than 20 seconds, was even able to type "Indes Noires" straight into wiki search to get that.

@b_jonas Sorry I don't see the relevance here? What does new users tagging their jules verne questions have to do with your favourite tags?

b_jonas

10:10

@Edlothiad ok, I guess we could do that. but there's still the original problem that I'd have to subscribe to like twenty different tags, most of which don't exist yet.

TheLethalCarrot

10 mins ago, by Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot This is not true, we use author tags as franchise tags for authors where only minimal amount of questions have been asked, for reasons exactly as jonas describes.

I then pinged Mith to not retag the rest

Edlothiad

@b_jonas Again, I'm not sure how this is a problem?

TheLethalCarrot

Though as Ed said I'm too unsure what the problem is really

Edlothiad

The availability for you to do so exists, it may take a minute or two to do, but it's certainly not the climb of Everest that you seem to make it sound like.

b_jonas

@Edlothiad I check the list of active questions sometimes, but it's too long, so I only look at the yellow background ones.

I will simply miss questions.

Edlothiad

10:14

I know what favourite tags are for, I do the same for tolkiens-legendarium and got when the shows running.

@b_jonas How?

b_jonas

It might not be a problem with just one franchise, but there are like dozens of authors I'd like to watch just in case someone asks a question, and most of them are even less popular than Jules Verne.

Edlothiad

Again, as I've said above, it's the practice of this site to use author tags instead of works as a pseudo-franchise when there aren't many questions. It's not very organised but it is accepted, as such you don't need to worry, not all your author tags will disappear.

But, if we were to force a strict policy that were to say "no don't do that" I'm unsure what the challenge would be in putting down the work tags that exist into your favourite tags.

I'm not given a tags-ed-hates so I have to ignore a bunch of individual tags, not ideal, but we can't cater to every single individuals needs.

Jenayah

How about a workaround with making your own chatroom with a bot that would push questions to it?

Maybe this could be adapted into one?

TheLethalCarrot

@Jenayah Feeds already does that :)

Jenayah

@TheLethalCarrot I meant @b_jonas creating his own feed, if such a thing is possible

TheLethalCarrot

10:19

See this rooms for example: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/58631/…

Jenayah

Yeah but those are "official" ones right?

TheLethalCarrot

Room owners can create them

Jenayah

Well that could be a workaround then?

TheLethalCarrot

Official as in built into the system if that's what you mean

Sure is a workaround if needed yeah

Jenayah

Create your chatroom, feed it with targeted questions, so that you can keep track of them anytime without having to manually browse the active tab

TheLethalCarrot

10:22

It's certainly one way to do it

Though if the questions are so infrequent the room might be frozen for inactivity

Jenayah

I mean, if it's only a "personal" issue I mean. I overlooked most of the discussion, but tell me if this would be an issue affecting a good bunch of people (in which case the chatrooom is not the best way to do it)

Edlothiad

But this would be the "same issue" as simply filling out your favourite tags with those tag names as it would have to be a tag by tag process as well.

Jenayah

@TheLethalCarrot I don't know much about how chatroom works, but can't the owner thaw it?

TheLethalCarrot

Not sure if owners can or only mods

Not sure if feeds will post into a frozen room too

I think it's a personal issue but could affect multiple people depending on their interests and their interests' popularity on the site

Jenayah

@TheLethalCarrot Make a bot which will alert you two days before room freezing!

TheLethalCarrot

10:26

Lol, I was thinking of a workaround bot that just periodically posted to the room

Edlothiad

So upon reading up it seems generally agreed that we shouldn't be going back and removing a bunch of author tags to examples such as jules-verne or ray-bradbury but that also doesn't mean future questions should be tagged wrong.

TheLethalCarrot

@Mithrandir In case it got lost in the discussion, Ed's above comment is a good summary for this case

Edlothiad

Maybe I should change my name to Meta Ed! Oh wait...

Mithrandir

11:08

@b_jonas - I actually happen to think that the way author tags work here is rather silly, and much prefer the way Literature.SE does it. However, it is currently the existing policy. I don't especially like it, but... I'm working with what we have. A search for "Jules Verne" might also be a good idea if you want to keep an eye on all of them. FWIW, I don't know if we already have meta discussions on cases like this; I can't recall any off the top of my head. Might be time to raise one.

TheLethalCarrot

Not sure but Ed seems to think with authors with not a lot of Q's about their works using authors as "franchise tags" seems fine

Dunno where he got that from though

Mithrandir

11:22

@TheLethalCarrot yeah Ed can be silly sometimes, I prefer seeing the meta ;P

TheLethalCarrot

Me too

There could already be one thoguh

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot Ed doesn't think, Ed knows.

Mithrandir

> Ed doesn't think

Edlothiad

The soft rule lead to this meta, this meta is an identical case to jonas'. This comment.

There's also current tagging practices and historical practices

@Mithrandir Well starring this is mature, if that doesn't seem like ganging up on a user I'm not sure what does. Although I guess the Be Nice doesn't apply to certain users.

TheLethalCarrot

@Edlothiad TL;DR: Appears to be author tags only for questions about the authors but for small volume questions on an authors work you can use the author tag to group them. Though I only skim read it

Edlothiad

11:37

Yep, as said above.

TheLethalCarrot

Aye just summarising

b_jonas

12:08

@Mithrandir There probably aren't many cases, because there aren't many cases of authors who have many works not collected to a franchise and I've read the more popular half of them. Isaac Asimov is the other notable case, I've read almost all his sci-fi works.

Oh, and I guess Stanisław Lem too.

Isaac Asimov is a bit difficult name to search for because he acts as an editor for short story collections often, although I guess that only comes up in story-identification questions.

b_jonas

12:22

We can afford to have special rules for Rowling and Tolkien obviously.

TheLethalCarrot

What's special about them?

b_jonas

Maybe it's not special, maybe that's how we use all the author tags for big franchises with a lot of questions about them.

TheLethalCarrot

Well as far as I know we don't use author tags on those questions... or is that your point?

b_jonas

George R. R. Martin, Brian Sanderson.

@TheLethalCarrot Yes, that's the point. We use franchise tags.

We eventually got it right for Tolkien at the great Tolkien retagging. I'm satisfied with that solution, except that the name of the franchise tag is so long I keep forgetting it and can't type it.

TheLethalCarrot

Aye, most works are either franchise tags or just the work tags themselves

b_jonas

12:24

tolkiens-legendarium

TheLethalCarrot

Just cases like Verne are "special" because there's so few questions and lots of works

Jenayah

There are few questions now, but there might be a whole more in the future.

b_jonas

@TheLethalCarrot Lem and Asimov are the same I think.

Asimov at least has a Foundation tag and an End of Eternity tag, but that's not all his sci-fi works.

TheLethalCarrot

Might be I'm not really familiar enough

@Jenayah That's the problem I have with the "author as franchise" tag solution. At some point you likely have to retag them all to the works tags to keep in line with policy so it just creates more work

b_jonas

And IMO jk-rowling should be called j-k-rowling instead, but it's not worth the fight.

TheLethalCarrot

12:27

Never noticed that, you are right though

Jenayah

Why is not j-k-rowling?

TheLethalCarrot

That tag needs cleaning up too

b_jonas

There's actually a good case for both. There's a meta discussion somewhere

TheLethalCarrot

Most likely

b_jonas

Be careful before renaming, it's not an obvious decision.

Hmm. I thought I had a meta answer somewhere, but now I can't find it.

Jenayah

12:29

george-r-r-martin got an extra space

b_jonas

Found it:

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A: Spaces and initialism in tagging styles

I'd like to answer about J. K. Rowling specifically. On the cover of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, American English edition (by Scholastic), she has her name written as "J. K. Rowling". On the British version (Bloomsbury), it's written as "J.K.Rowling" on the cover, probably as a fanc...

TheLethalCarrot

Oh I won't rename it

@Jenayah No that's correct

Jenayah

@TheLethalCarrot phrased it poorly, I meant that GRRM's tag has the spacing, but not JKR's

TheLethalCarrot

Ah right yeah GRRM is correct JKR is not but I doubt it's worth the effort

And JKR needs cleaning of questions about HP too

Jenayah

@b_jonas so yeah the spacing should be here, even if this is a Lit Meta post

b_jonas

12:32

@Jenayah Yes, but even that Lit meta post says it's not so clear. Read the counterarguments too before deciding.

And I'm not familiar with the Rowling movies enough to have arguments from there.

Jenayah

True that.

TheLethalCarrot

I can't wait for the last GoT season, not only just cos of what it is but it's the best chance I'll have to improve my score to answer ratio :)

b_jonas

I like how Sigdi's lost arm in the latest OOTS strip parallels Beren's hand that was bitten off.

They both never let go.

Edlothiad

JKR and JRRT aren’t the exception, they’re the rule. It’s all the smaller works that are exceptions because 1 we didn’t want to spend years editing old posts and 2 the site could afford to be more careless then

Jenayah

JKR/JRRT: "We are the 99 percent!" Smaller works: "Wait, that feels wrong somehow"

Napoleon Wilson

12:45

It would be more interesting why there's an age tag. ;-)

Edlothiad

What if one is an expert in the age of fictional characters?

Napoleon Wilson

I see.

Edlothiad

This is not my defence for the tag. Merely a thought to ponder.

TheLethalCarrot

[age], [names], etc. meh to all of them in my opinion

Mithrandir

@TheLethalCarrot "Dawn take them all, and be stone" to all of them

Jenayah

13:19

@SQB poking you here since, based on what we were discussing yesterday, you might know about it: would you happen to know any bookshops in the Netherlands where I could buy Ragebol (Broussaille in French, if that helps) bandes dessinées? I know they're not published anymore, but sometimes you have a nice surprise browsing through the shelves :)

Rand al'Thor

@Edlothiad Ed and Mith are basically mirror images of each other: mostly identical but opposite in some ways.

SQB

@Jenayah I've actually been looking for that for ages, actually.

Jenayah

@SQB oh well, too bad. But I'll be sure to tell you if I find one myself! :)

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor who’s Edlothiad Ed?

Napoleon Wilson

Argh, I always forget about the ticker until it gets me.

Rand al'Thor

13:27

@Edlothiad If the book tag doesn't exist yet, then a new user couldn't even ask the question. (OK, they could post it and just tag it books or something, but they might think the book is off-topic if it doesn't have a tag.)

Edlothiad

But what does that have to do with favourite tags?

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad Just as another point in an argument?

Jenayah

@Edlothiad that's your Western nickname, howdy ho!

SQB

@Jenayah leidsestripshop.nl/ragebol-04-onder-twee-zonnen.html

Edlothiad

@Jenayah I’m not a lucky Luke character haha!

Rand al'Thor

13:29

@Edlothiad As far as I remember, the firm policy agreed on meta is that it's OK to use author tags instead of work tags on questions about short stories?

But I agree that it makes sense to extend that to authors who don't have many questions yet, for the reasons b_jonas said.

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor this is part of a firm “policy” yes

Rand al'Thor

(I say "firm policy" to distinguish it from a soft policy, rule-of-thumb thingy, which maybe extending it to Jules Verne would be.)

Edlothiad

As do several others, in comments, chat and meta, and hence why this practice hasn’t changed. However if someone were to edit those author tags out, they wouldn’t be “breaking policy”

Rand al'Thor

@b_jonas If it were to be renamed, better to do that by a mod merge than mass editing. But that would probably require a meta, and meh, is it really important enough?

Jenayah

@SQB oh, that's not far from here apparently. Now that I think of it I might even have a pal doing an internship somewhere around here! Thanks for the tip!

Rand al'Thor

13:32

@NapoleonWilson You should click the tag in your message ;-)

Napoleon Wilson

@Randal'Thor Fixed. I think you took the "na" as "no". It was an "an", though. ;-)

Rand al'Thor

@NapoleonWilson Oh, indeed I thought that was a "no".

Edlothiad

@Jenayah eBay might help you with easier access to the books your looking for.

Jenayah

@Edlothiad I'm part of these stubborn people who would rather find the book in an actual shop. The hunt has no flavor otherwise!

b_jonas

@Randal'Thor No. Like I said, it's not worth the fight.

Jenayah

13:41

(well, technically this one I'm looking for for a friend, but I'll stick to my bloody-minded principles ahah)

Napoleon Wilson

Asking fo a friend, eh?

Jenayah

eheh

Edlothiad

I mean as much as I like stumbling upon a copy of the Lord of the Rings I don’t have yet for £2 at a second hand shop, at some point it drives you nuts and you just gotta get the one you need

I say need. I mean one that would compliment the rest of the shelf

Jenayah

No, seriously, this friend's a fan and would like to own one of the originals even if can't speak any more Dutch than I can. Can't judge, I'd probably do the same for other works :)

Rand al'Thor

@Edlothiad *complement?

Napoleon Wilson

13:44

Or both. ;-)

If you get a really bad one maybe.

Jenayah

@Edlothiad do you mean you're looking for original printings?

(Ragebol apparently stopped being published altogether)

Napoleon Wilson

Greetings, Earthling!

Jenayah

@Edlothiad Also, looking at the train schedules, I'd rather pay 10€ more to fetch it by hand rather than pay for shipment fees and not meeting the bookshop seller. And the trip will get me out a bit :)

TheLethalCarrot

There's a certain excitement to finding one in a shop rather than on eBay but it comes down to convenience for me haha

Jenayah

14:00

this ^

Edlothiad

@Randal'Thor no I won’t be books to praise each other, books talk ;-)

@Jenayah ha! Do you have a spare £100000 you can gift me? No no, just various editions I like. I usually look for the posthumous works in second hand book shops, and maybe an older edition of LotR or TH from the 70s/60s. Although I have more than I need

I want the books*^^

Bah my spelling is dreadful today...

TheLethalCarrot

What's the collection up to now?

Jenayah

14:20

@Edlothiad sadly, no :)

TheLethalCarrot

How selfish of you!

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot hmm, I believe 4 LRs, 2 TH, 2 Sil, 2 UT, 2 Letters, 7/12 HoME, CoH, B&L, Kalevala, Atlas, 2 LR companions

TheLethalCarrot

Nice

Edlothiad

I think that’s it, but I think I’m missing a couple

Yep 3 Sils, 3 UTs

My bad

Although I’m missing reading copies for a couple of them

Hello, @Catija, long time no see. Congratulations!

SQB

@Jenayah did you try Bul Super in Delft and the various strip shops in Rotterdam and The Hague?

You're in Delft, IIRC.

Jenayah

14:29

@SQB Yeah, I was at Bul Super one or two days ago but they didn't have it, sadly. I did not go to Rotterdam or The Hague yet

Funny thing, talking with the Bul Super shopkeeper, it appears I properly butchered the name of Ragebol upon pronouncing it in Dutch, ahah :)

Catija

@Edlothiad :) Thanks.

SQB

16:34

@Jenayah "rague-hein-bolle"

(With my limited knowledge of French).

Jenayah

17:37

@SQB duly noted! I think what came out sounded more like "rage-bowl", hence the shopkeeper's funny face...

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