SE Podcast

Jeff Ferland

21:00

More popular questions get higher voted answers; quality is by far secondary. Want rep? You don't focus on quality first.

Michael Mrozek

@JonGalloway They can be merged; that seems like it mostly covers it

GnomeSlice

I miss @AarthiDevanathan. She was nice to me.

Jeff Ferland

That is a big challenge.

GnomeSlice

I'm genuinely surprised they haven't mentioned me yet, since they're talking about usefulness vs. entertainment in questions.

Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice I don't think she's capable of being mean. We're working on it though

M'vy

21:02

Yes :P

GnomeSlice

13

Q: Techniques for Playing Wrench Tennis Effectively?

So, I noticed that in the Medical Pavilion stage of Bioshock, there is one hallway you can enter that has a quaint little machine in it. If you hit a button at the other end of the hallway, this machine starts shooting out tennis balls. There are various trophies lined up along the wall, and v...

M'vy

lol

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek You ruiner.

Ninefingers

@Abby I agree with @JeffFerland. To J&J: what can be done to encourage quality vs just gaining rep? Is there anything that can be done?

GnomeSlice

I don't know if any of you have played Bioshock, but I basically made up that entire question.

Jeff Ferland

21:03

Security is taking over the room...

GnomeSlice

Hello @AarthiDevanathan :D

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

lol hey

did the mascot appear? i was cycling through the backscroll

GnomeSlice

Yeah, he came by.

Also, I don't know what you just said.

I <3 my two sentence questions... =[

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

i was reading the messages that had popped up before i came back.

GnomeSlice

8

Q: What Does 'Exit' Mean?

I've noticed a small square button hiding in the top right corner of my Die2Nite screen. It simply bears a red X and the ominous intonation, "EXIT" I fear greatly what would transpire if ever I clicked upon it. What severe fate awaits all ye who depress the button (What does it do)?

die2nite buttons

This is why they don't like me.

Jeff Ferland

21:05

Did your question take less than 3 minutes to type? This is not a typing speed question, but rather a metric of whether you have provided enough background about what you've done.

GnomeSlice

@JeffFerland N... no... but I did add an arrow, that took some time.

Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice Well, the top-voted answer is a joke, so that is a little sad

GnomeSlice

1 min ago, by GnomeSlice

This is why they don't like me.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

man this office got warm. :(

Kyle Cronin

@GnomeSlice why do you keep quoting yourself?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

21:06

or maybe it's just the sheer force of joel's personality?

GnomeSlice

I think your reputation system is broken, unless we're the 'edges of the system'.

Grace Note

@MichaelMrozek We've got worse examples if you want ♪

GnomeSlice

As you can see.

Michael Mrozek

@GraceNote It's a small step from that to PSE, where half the examples are jokes, and then to Reddit, where every vim-related post has a comment with 4000 upvotes that says "LOL VIM SUCKS"

GnomeSlice

The quality vs' entertainment thing isn't very well defined, in my opinion.

Michael Mrozek

21:08

Thanks Joel. We feel special

GnomeSlice

What do you think, @gracenote?

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice Of?

GnomeSlice

1 min ago, by GnomeSlice

The quality vs' entertainment thing isn't very well defined, in my opinion.

Michael Mrozek

I'm not sure what you mean, but it's not like quality and entertainment are competing goals of an SE site. The purpose is to be helpful; being entertaining isn't even on the list of goals

GnomeSlice

2 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

Grace Note

21:10

What about it, specifically? General is rather... overly broad to ask me, wouldn't you say?

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek Not competing goals? ...Welll.. as I said, they aren't well defined in my opinion.

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice, if you want me to talk about your specific contributions, don't make me bring up the Porkchop answer.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote Hey, they made it community wiki...

sheegaon

how about getting bonus rep points for each up-vote on a question which you edited and also gave an answer

GnomeSlice

And then @badp deleted it. ಠ_ಠ

Grace Note

21:11

@GnomeSlice You posted it in the first place, which is more the problem in the first place.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote I thought it was generally understood to be incorrect.

Grace Note

It's like the Ghostbusters answer on Stack Overflow

Michael Mrozek

We get a Facebook version of SO and suddenly Joel feels we should add social networking features. I'm suspicious

GnomeSlice

It's not like it generated a lot of rep for me.

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice The reputation isn't the point

GnomeSlice

21:12

@GraceNote I know, which is my point. The guys talking are only talking about helpfulness vs rep, not helpfulness vs entertainment.

Grace Note

Which is, rather to point, why community wiki wasn't (and never was, never is, and never will be!) relevant to this kind of scenario anyway.

Michael Mrozek

@sheegaon That actually seems like a decent idea, but getting rep for edits seems to not go over well

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice You just asked me about quality versus entertainment

badp

@MichaelMrozek at least it's correct

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote Yes, not quality vs reps.

Grace Note

21:13

I'm answering your question, not their viewpoint

Marco Ceppi

Nope. No follower crap

badp

unlike some other joke answer somebody might be talking about

Jeff Ferland

Agreed... Security StackExchange is my focus because the chat room has given us a community. @Mvy, @Ninefingers for example... I know them, they have a reputation because of that.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote I must have forgotten what either my question or my viewpoint was then. Sorry. =[

M'vy

Usually, I use twitter to tweet question. Rarely answers.

Jorge Castro

21:14

It'd be nice to have a bling version of this for blogs: stackapps.com/questions/518/…

Sandor Drieënhuizen

I sometime actually feel like wanting to pay money to get a good answer on my questions. I think that's because bounties (at least the lower ones) don't seem too much of an incentive in my experience.

Grace Note

@MichaelMrozek Ever seen this guy?

GnomeSlice

But honestly, my highest rated questions are, for the most part, just plain silly.

That's cool and all... but...

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro There's a modified wordpress plugin for it

Michael Mrozek

@GraceNote You gotta get a +1 for that!!!

blinks

Kyle Cronin

21:15

17

Q: Why isn't a newly purchased domain showing up in Google searches?

The domain ... http://trello.com ... was purchased a few months ago and is now live as of a week or so ago -- and has been linked from several prominent places on the web -- but searching for the word trello produces absolutely no results from http://trello.com in Google whatsoever. Is it beca...

google domains

GnomeSlice

How come only three of these people are talking?

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi right but it would be nice to have like, more options and tools, like "check out my last 5 answers on Ask Ubuntu" thingies to put on my blog or whatever.

Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice The third person is talking right now

He's talking about the hardcore SO users. Or the unimportant people, as Joel would put it

GnomeSlice

Alright then, but there are more than three people here.

Grace Note

@MichaelMrozek And while you weren't actually asking me, now I think you probably comprehend my stance on entertainment vs. quality.

Michael Mrozek

21:16

@GnomeSlice There's only three people in the podcast. Jeff, Joel, and the guest

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek Why are those other guys wearing headsets then?

Michael Mrozek

There are other employees in the room, yes, but they're not part of the podcast. Alex speaks occasionally I guess

@GnomeSlice They're listening to music or something

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice they're usually used as headphones

as, well, they're headphones

unless the mic is down

and we're on a call

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ Oh, I thought you were the only one not in the podcast.

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice Listening to stuff is a common thing to do while in the office. Either for work or to supplement work

GnomeSlice

21:18

And the other guys were just submissive or something, I don't know.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice brett (orange shirt) is listening in and working the tech stuff, sam (gray shirt) is listening to music.

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ Ask him what he's listening to. =]

Wait, which one is 'Abby'?

Abby Ψ

i'm not on the screen

GnomeSlice

Oh. How do you relay our questions then?

Abby Ψ

i listen in another room so i can take notes - because the time delay on the stream makes listening to it both live and from the stream veeeery annoying

GnomeSlice

21:20

Hah.

Michael Mrozek

Why would you need to know who is answering? Just show that n people are answering

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice Sam says: Kavinsky, but he's not that into it.

Abby Ψ

and since Jeff and our guests are off site, i have to listen to the stream instead of the live version

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@AbbyΨ seriously the five-second delay is totally killer

Jeff Ferland

@Abby Big deal issue: every time I see "We're hiring" and see a position I like, I get Resumator instead of Careers 2.0. I want to see you guys eat your own dog food on that one. :)

GnomeSlice

21:21

@AarthiDevanathanΨ I don't mind kavinsky.

@AarthiDevanathan Tell him to check out this.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice you can email sam and tell him yourself. #Bitchy.

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ Sick.

Oh shit, I'm ruining the Podcast chat.

Again.

ಠ_ಠ

Michael Mrozek

"Some users". We wouldn't want to blame a certain social networking site for having inept users or anything

GnomeSlice

I don't really understand the point of facebook.se

Michael Mrozek

It makes it easier for Facebook users. Too easy, apparently

GnomeSlice

21:23

@AarthiDevanathan 85 viewers.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice yeah i'm leaving soon.

Jeff Ferland

Boom! Scope explosion!

GnomeSlice

@joel these topics don't really apply to most of the other SE sites though.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

> Sam: i just want to be like ryan gosling in Drive

> he listens to Kavinsky

> or the audience does

> you can quote me on that

GnomeSlice

Your staff is so awesome.

Jeff Ferland

21:25

@Abby Actually, I want to pass that thought of mine along as a question... why don't you use Careers 2.0 for your own postings?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

there, i have fulfilled the role for which i signed on, inadvertently.

GnomeSlice

@Aarthi You guys should be doing the podcasts instead.

Abby Ψ

@JeffFerland I dropped your original message into the pot - we'll see if they pick it up

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

i would actually LOVE to do a podcast where CHAOS was the guest. but i do not decide such things.

Abby Ψ

we could never do a podcast with all 8 of us

it would be... well, chaotic

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

21:26

there is that, too

GnomeSlice

@Abby what about the helpfulness vs entertainment issue I brought up?

I mean... I guess everyone else pretty much said it was... you know... dumb.

Abby Ψ

sorry, I missed it - could you resend?

I will for sure drop it in. I'm not quality controlling, just copying and pasting...

GnomeSlice

Um...

@Abby chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2039145#2039145

17 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

2 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

They were talking about some users just being in it for the rep, but rep and helpfulness/accuracy aren't the only two things people get out of SE.

Jeff Ferland

... I thought of that every time I saw your SysAdmin postings... guess I'll just apply the challenging way of writing it all out.

GnomeSlice

Oh, that was sarcasm?

Michael Mrozek

21:31

@GnomeSlice You're saying those two things like they're mutually exclusive. Some people are absolutely in it for the rep, and some aren't

Jeff Ferland

@GnomeSlice That was a declaration to make sure that the transcript captures the sarcasm.

Abby Ψ

We are working on the idea I believe - the "why didn't we think of that??" was, I think, the sarcastic part

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek No, they're not; just in the context of the discussion.

83 viewers.

81

Michael Mrozek

Why are you telling us the viewer count?

GnomeSlice

I dunno, @AarthiDevanathan Said she'd do something if the count dropped below 80.

'Halo' effect?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

21:37

@GnomeSlice except i'm prepping to leaaaaaave

GnomeSlice

=[ But you're my favourite.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

that's sweet, but i'm tired.

GnomeSlice

Does anyone know where the term 'halo effect' came from?

VxJasonxV

As in who coined it?

GnomeSlice

Or what it's referring to, and why it's called that.

VxJasonxV

21:39

english.se might :)

Halo effect

The halo effect is a cognitive bias whereby the perception of one trait (i.e. a characteristic of a person or object) is influenced by the perception of another trait (or several traits) of that person or object. An example would be judging a good-looking person as more intelligent. Edward Thorndike was the first to support the halo effect with empirical research. In a psychology study published in 1920, Thorndike asked commanding officers to rate their soldiers; he found high cross-correlation between all positive and all negative traits. People seem not to think of other individuals ...

M'vy

@AarthiDevanathan going home?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@Mvy yes. well....yes. i was going to go to SoHo, but I haven't been sleeping well lately.

also: i need to start remembering that Tuesdays are clutch days to Look Pretteh

M'vy

:P

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ ...You need to schedule a day of the week for that?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice no i mean, i'll be On Camera.

Kyle Cronin

21:40

no Z

M'vy

@GnomeSlice it's podcast day :P

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

ergo: gotta give a little effort

GnomeSlice

Hah, I get it.

Michael Mrozek

I always look pretty. Just in case

GnomeSlice

Wait, today is tuesday?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

21:41

yes.

GnomeSlice

I suppose it is.

M'vy

@GnomeSlice depending on where you live

gonna be wednesday in 15 mins

VxJasonxV

What a click fade-to-black.

We can't wrap up our shows that fast :P.

/me stares in @KyleCronin's general direction. ಠ_ಠ

GnomeSlice

I should probably not come back next week, heh.

Kyle Cronin

I prefer to wait until the show resolves itself

VxJasonxV

21:42

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Kyle Cronin

which, admittedly, can take a while

VxJasonxV

Much of the reason why in recent memory is, of course, guests.

GnomeSlice

I think I scared a lot of the people off.

Kyle Cronin

@GnomeSlice no offense, but most of your stuff was a bit distracting, with you triple-quoting yourself all the time

GnomeSlice

There was much more chat on the feed's page this week.

Kyle Cronin

21:43

yeah, people didn't get the message

GnomeSlice

@KyleCronin Most of those were just me using the same post to reply to another message.

@KyleCronin That or I annoyed them.

I enjoy listening to the podcasts, but they seem to like talking about things that only apply to the programming sites of SE. I mean, I know that's how it all started but still.

Kyle Cronin

it's kind of annoying that sometimes they beg for questions and never use them

GnomeSlice

@KyleCronin I think they actually already have their topics planned out.

Kyle Cronin

@GnomeSlice if they do, then it's just mean asking for questions they never intend to use

GnomeSlice

@KyleCronin I don't know, maybe the use one week's questions for the next podcast.

I didn't once hear them mention any of the viewers.

Kyle Cronin

21:51

I highly doubt they're that organized though

Abby Ψ

they did address a few of the questions that were brought up in the chat

GnomeSlice

@AbbyΨ I didn't notice.

Abby Ψ

namely, what's with not using Careers 2.0 for internal hiring, and I believe @Ninefingers's "what can be done to encourage quality vs just gaining rep?"

GnomeSlice

Must have been the ones I didn't understand to begin with.

Jeff Ferland

@GnomeSlice It was somewhere in between all your self-quotes (since I can't downvote them to express my displeasure, I will be snarky with explanation and let you know I'm siding with a few others here on that)

Abby Ψ

21:55

there were a few others that didn't get answered, and they probably won't get answered next week unless they're asked again next week

since this week's podcast did not encounter any shortage of material - getting Joel and Jeff talking about SO policy will fill minutes like nobody's business

plus a Mac v Windows discussion on top of that - it's no wonder we went over time

GnomeSlice

@JeffFerland My self quotes were just my way of using something I'd already posted to answer something else.

Kyle Cronin

I actually feel like they shortchanged Siracusa - there was a section in the beginning/middle where he didn't talk for 20 minutes

Ninefingers

Yep, I got my question addressed - it kinda was the topic of the moment as well, and also a hard problem. I was also going to ask about internationalization, but there was enough being talked about and I didn't want to change the topic abruptly (plus, I was/still am writing a post for security.blogoverflow.com)

Abby Ψ

@KyleCronin personally, I agree with you

but it's demonstrative of the whole plan of the podcasts. they don't really have a Plan For The Show, it's just an extended conversation that we all get to listen to. sometimes it sticks on topic, sometimes it doesn't, but it's always interesting (hopefully).

Grace Note

Was Siracusa the guest today?

Abby Ψ

21:57

@GraceNote he was, when he got a word in edgewise!

Grace Note

Huh. I missed the announcement, I guess

Jeff Ferland

@GnomeSlice They were ineffective in that many of us didn't realize that without your explanation, and many of them were large, so they were distracting from other conversation. Also, they were frequent. Those collectively gathered are a sin.

Laura Ψ

@GraceNote guests are also always posted in the room description off to the right ;)

GnomeSlice

@JeffFerland This is why I probably shouldn't come back to chat for the podcast next week, hah.

Sorry.

Grace Note

@LauraΨ I wonder who next week will bring

Abby Ψ

21:59

@GraceNote David Fullerton

Kyle Cronin

@AbbyΨ definitely interesting, but I think this episode proves that you really can't merge a podcast about Stack Exchange and a guest show

Abby Ψ

he has to commute 20 entire feet to join in

Grace Note

@AbbyΨ Ooh, intrigue

Jeff Ferland

Security.SE guys! Security.SE guys! We want to self-promote to the rest of the community!

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote We should get a community member as a guest one week.

Abby Ψ

21:59

@KyleCronin agreed - i don't think that was the plan - i think it just... happened

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice That's been done... twice, I think? Once for DIY, once for GIS?

Kyle Cronin

@AbbyΨ as long as there are guests on every single week I fear it will continue to happen

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote Who did they pick?

Kyle Cronin

I think for the AD podcast we're going to go with an every other show guest schedule

Ninefingers

DIY was Shirlock Holmes and was one of the best podcasts.

Jeff Ferland

22:01

@KyleCronin This show is like meetings... they should have structure, planning, timelines beforehand. That makes them more effective and keeps them captivating for the audience because you don't get rabbit holes.

Grace Note

Ooh, we also had someone from Seasoned Advice

@KyleCronin What would the non-guest shows be aboot?

Kyle Cronin

@GraceNote the site, Apple stuff, etc

basically, what our shows before our guests were about

Grace Note

Ahha

Kyle Cronin

basically, trying to strike a balance between the two

Grace Note

Sounds like a viable strategy

Kyle Cronin

22:03

I hope so

also, I don't want to exhaust our pool of potential guests too quickly

GnomeSlice

I don't think @Jeff actually likes most of the users.

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