SE Podcast

All trilogy sites, and almost all other SE2.0 sites, have a hover effect on their "ask question" button. It can be argued the "ask question" button looks less "clickable" than how it looks in all the other family sites, it's very close to a decoration and thus really needs some way to emphasize ...

VxJasonxV

8:17 PM

I like this song, but I really dislike her voice ;_;

You guys suck.

Fear the tyranny of the majority.

BrMcMullin

wow this song has such a great message

VxJasonxV

@BrMcMullin As does 90% of mainstream music.

Jin

8:18 PM

i think the podcast music has jumped the Mega Sharktopus

Grace Note

Why... what the... why are we... why... why...

GnomeSlice

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Jeff Ferland

Well, viewership is up by 18 since it started playing

GnomeSlice

Pretty Lights > Ke$ha

VxJasonxV

causation equals ... conflation I can't remember the word

Marco Ceppi

8:19 PM

Silence > Ke$ha

BrMcMullin

@VxJasonxV Hmm. I cannot argue your point, sir.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

BFS > all

user30

was Joel just moving to the beat of ke$ha?

Michael Mrozek

@JeffFerland It'll plummet when Joel starts talking

Jon Galloway

Pretty low bar to improve on the previous

GnomeSlice

8:19 PM

@AarthiDevanathanΨ Play mine!

Agent Conundrum

I'm gonna mute this until the podcast starts. Someone poke me when they start. I'll be listening to this:

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Jeff Ferland

DJ REQUEST: Ronald Jenkees - Super Fun

Laura Ψ

no requests. this is not your local radio station.

BrMcMullin

ah mute

GnomeSlice

I thought you guys were playing the tik tok parody at first

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VxJasonxV

8:20 PM

But is it TRL?

Jeff Ferland

@LauraΨ I noticed, it's much worse :)

Jon Galloway

Am I the 9th caller?

Jin

@AgentConundrum good taste

Grace Note

Robot

Abby Ψ

robots are talking

Jin

8:20 PM

oh no it's robot voice again

VxJasonxV

woo, cylon'ed mic

Michael Mrozek

Can we stop linking the youtube video with the semi-pornographic thumbnail?

2

BrMcMullin

aaand now we have robots

ChrisF

Sounds like Daleks on the line

Kyle Cronin

crackly/robots

BrMcMullin

8:20 PM

but you know what

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@ChrisF ex.ter.min.ate!

BrMcMullin

robot joel > kesha

Marco Ceppi

ROBOT STACKEXCHANGE

VxJasonxV

@MichaelMrozek If you're talking about the most recent one. Semi-pornographic?

user30

skynet is here

BrMcMullin

8:21 PM

robo.stackexchange.com!

Jon Galloway

You know what works better than 12 microphones and six mixers and a stack of Macbooks? Skype.

GnomeSlice

It's a ke$ha parody... suppose I should have known better.

VxJasonxV

A fully clothed woman who happens to be laying in a bathrub is not semi-pornographic.

Agent Conundrum

Joel: All other podcasts will be EXTERMINATED!

GnomeSlice

Oh my god, it smells like Pizza Pockets.

Play some Black Crowes.

Marco Ceppi

8:21 PM

Y U NO CAST?

Michael Mrozek

@VxJasonxV Well, I'll give you my boss' e-mail address and you can explain it to him

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

heeeey i got mentioned!

GnomeSlice

in The Bridge, 22 secs ago, by Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice You're a parody.

Jin

@MarcoCeppi alex is rebooting livestream

M'vy

reboot :P

user30

8:22 PM

@AarthiDevanathan Yeah, we couldn't hear that

AnonJr

So bad jazz = clear; Joel et al = Cylons?

GnomeSlice

=[

Michael Mrozek

@AarthiDevanathanΨ We lost interest in you when Joel sat directly in the way

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@MichaelMrozek i'm okay with that.

VxJasonxV

@MichaelMrozek Your boss happened to be over-the-shouldering you one of the times that came out?

Jeff Ferland

8:22 PM

SE Podcast: How to avoid delivering your product on time by playing random music... and robots

Kyle Cronin

can't load the live feed, is it just me?

GnomeSlice

Well, if you'd let me pick the music, you wouldn't even need to do anything.

Grace Note

@KyleCronin Robots

M'vy

@KyleCronin it's rebooting

Grace Note

I think they're fixing that, then they'll reopen the feed

VxJasonxV

8:23 PM

still cyloning :/

Marco Ceppi

Yes, more robots

user30

@GnomeSlice We'd need to mute it

Jon Galloway

Chat feature request: mob rules jukebox mode

GnomeSlice

@ThomasMcDonald You love my music.

Grace Note

Nope, robots

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

8:24 PM

@JeffFerland well, everything's better with robots

Greg Hurlman

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Jon Galloway

Is this dubstep? I hear that's really hot now.

Jake McGraw

ha

Peter Olson

Is that effect intentional?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

womp womp womp womp

user30

8:24 PM

It's humstep

Michael Mrozek

I prefer when it's completely broken like this, so everyone can suffer instead of just me

Grace Note

@PeterOlson Not intentionally, no

Jake McGraw

you couldn't test this before coming onlline?

Álex Acuña Viera

Robotech Masters.

user30

bbbzzzzwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubzbzbzbzzbwubwububzubzubzubuwbuwbubapple.stackexch‌ange.combzzwububuwubukeyboadbuzwubububububuwubwub

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

8:24 PM

guys, the podcast is not immune.

epzee

it's like kramer meets wall-e, again

Jeff Ferland

You know, most amateur radio guys solved these audio problems in the '40s

Grace Note

@JakeMcGraw Supposedly, the recording actually works better

ChrisF

@JakeMcGraw The livestream is always broken in some way

GnomeSlice

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What problems?

user30

8:25 PM

while we're waiting, have some mascot

user30

Jeff Ferland

HOLY CRAP COLOR BARS! When was the last time you saw that anywhere? When on the Internet?

pelms

I think I might wait for the download :¬/

Grace Note

Oh, finally, functional

Marco Ceppi

Oh my! We've got awesome sounds

Agent Conundrum

8:25 PM

Huzzah! Fixededed!

M'vy

Yeah this is SE podcast #x

Mike T

so much better

user30

eh

Marco Ceppi

Y U TURN OFF?!

GnomeSlice

DYARGH.

Mike T

8:26 PM

or not

Jeff Ferland

denied

Alex Miller

ok - we're totally rebooting

Michael Mrozek

That was an awesome 20 seconds though

ChrisF

It was working

Agent Conundrum

aaand we're dead again

M'vy

8:26 PM

oh .. Thx this was SE podcast #x

Alex Miller

will make livestream not suck

Nick Craver

it was working...

Jon Galloway

The man is trying to shut this podcast down

Michael Mrozek

@AlexMiller The reboot will be so effective it ripples back in time

Mike T

that's all you get

M'vy

8:26 PM

THey shut out the main building this time

Laura Ψ

@JeffFerland the issues are with livestream, not our recording equipment. happens more often than we would like :( but the recordings posted day-after are fine.

Marco Ceppi

@AlexMiller Untill then we'll keep yelling at you that it's broken

GnomeSlice

I need a better INTERNET CONNECTION.

Mike T

heh

Katey Ψ

Stupid Livestream

Jon Galloway

8:27 PM

Maybe @balpha can write a new Livestream?

Mike T

maaaayyybeee a better stream provider... just saying....

Agent Conundrum

You would think they'd solve these issues during Joels 20 minute coffee break there

BrMcMullin

guys, let's not be overly negative and judgemental

Shog9

Isn't g+ doing broadcasts now?

GnomeSlice

When in doubt...

BrMcMullin

8:28 PM

they're working on it, so let's just be patient

GnomeSlice

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M'vy

@Katey what is livestream doing for you that you could not do by yourselves? Just by curiosity?

BrMcMullin

there we go, thanks Alex

Marco Ceppi

Nothing of this conversation makes sense

Kyle Cronin

@Shog9 yeah, I don't think it's open for everyone

GnomeSlice

8:28 PM

Is there any particular reason the feed is so quiet?

Alex Miller

Yes, there's livestream issues

Jeff Ferland

@Mvy I'm guessing bandwidth and webpage / code already written.

Alex Miller

no, there's no way for us to troubleshoot them before they happen

yes, we're moving to a new provider soon

Michael Mrozek

@AlexMiller You are my hero

GnomeSlice

Is there any way I can only listen to this podcast live as audio, without the video?

Jon Galloway

8:29 PM

Hooray! Thanks to the SE elves for fixing the internets.

Alex Miller

@GnomeSlice not live

Marco Ceppi

@GnomeSlice after it's done?

Kyle Cronin

I think it was a "podcast to be named"

GnomeSlice

Ah, rats.

M'vy

@GnomeSlice you will miss @AarthiDevanathan in front of her PC

Michael Mrozek

8:29 PM

@GnomeSlice :(

GnomeSlice

I can't hear them over 'what is love' anymore anyway.

@Mvy ?

Michael Mrozek

@Mvy Good point. That's way more interesting than Jeff and Joel rambling

BrMcMullin

I've been working my way up from #1 on the SO blog site

M'vy

@GnomeSlice with audio only :P

Who's talking?

Jon Galloway

Some of my rejected submissions: goto10.com, ohmanitstwointhemorningalready.com

GnomeSlice

8:30 PM

@Mvy So? It's not like she's doing anything?

user30

Wouldn't it be more efficient for Joel to use his left hand with the computer on his left and his right hand with the computer on his right?

Jeff Ferland

@Laura Since you're CHAOS, want to mention that Security.SE folks would like to be a part of a future podcast. Also, should I work with your folks or chase @Jin for more materials at meetups and BSides conferences?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice i mean, i could be....

but then i'd get in trouble

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ Uh...

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

but then you'd get to watch joel and alex make horrified and//or angry faces at me.

M'vy

8:31 PM

@AarthiDevanathan Get some sign post :P

GnomeSlice

Not sure we wanna go there right now.

You're welcome to my email address, however.

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice not when i've barely been working here 2.5 mos

GnomeSlice

(knows we're joking)

(...right)

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

sure.

M'vy

Anyway, is that Jeff's talking?

Abby Ψ

8:33 PM

it's @JeffAtwood talking now

Jon Galloway

I would like a monitor with an animated GIF of Jeff

Kyle Cronin

you launched July 31, 2008

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

and went public on Sept 15 2008 iirc

Jon Galloway

Maybe just static.flickr.com/106/291665467_77a26ca6a8_o.gif

Jorge Castro

thanks for the network wide event notice, that was clever!

Jon Galloway

8:35 PM

Disconcur: semver.org

Abby Ψ

hi everyone! I am throwing questions over to Jeff and Joel

Jon Galloway

Semantic versioning is useful: semver.org

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ ?

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice :D

user30

yeah, we should get a network wide event notification for our Gaming event every Saturday and Sunday. speaking of which....

user30

8:36 PM

in SE Game On!, Sep 20 at 16:59, by Wipqozn

Team Fortress 2 Game On this weekend at 7pm UTC Saturday and Sunday on tf2.stackgaming.com:27015

Marco Ceppi

Great job organizing this time guys!

GnomeSlice

@ThomasMcDonald TF2 AGAIN?

You guys suck.

Michael Mrozek

You guys are using Skype to IM? You know this chat platform was actually developed by...you, right?

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ =3

Laura Ψ

@JeffFerland I'll pass along your podcast thing. As for conference/meetup material, you should make a post on security.SE's meta and list specific events you'd like to go to. Our community team will see it there.

Marco Ceppi

8:36 PM

@ThomasMcDonald OH THESE ARE RECURRING? (excite)

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek That might be why they're avoiding it.

@AarthiDevanathanΨ Maybe if the viewer count drops too low.

BrMcMullin

@MichaelMrozek true enough they did, but this chat could become a distraction if they have to keep watching it to pick out a few discussion worthy questions or comments

Jin

@JeffFerland is there a post about this conf on meta.security?

Jeff Ferland

@LauraΨ What tag should I assign? Community? Promotion?

Michael Mrozek

@BrMcMullin This particular room, sure, but they could have a separate room for themselves, instead of using a totally separate technology

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

8:38 PM

@GnomeSlice threshold being?

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ Hm... 80?

user30

@MarcoCeppi I presumed so. We used to do every saturday until people got bored of organising it/lack of interest.

BrMcMullin

@MichaelMrozek ah ok, I see your point

Jeff Ferland

@Jin No, but I'll put whatever I get up there; is there a tag I should assign to those kinds of requests?

Jon Galloway

StackOverflow: It's the big mountain of steaming... whatever. (TM)

Marco Ceppi

8:38 PM

@ThomasMcDonald Awesome, I'm looking forward to this!

Jin

@JeffFerland [discussion][conference]

BrMcMullin

that said, if there was a "question" tag we could add to something that shunts it into a queue, they wouldn't have to do either

Aarthi Devanathan Ψ

@GnomeSlice 'kay

GnomeSlice

@AarthiDevanathanΨ Lol. :D

Any way we can up the volume on the feed, guys?

BrMcMullin

they could see the questions pop up in an attached queue without having to watch the discussion on a message by message basis

M'vy

8:39 PM

What we have RFTM flag now?

Abby Ψ

@Mvy nope - we used to (apparently)

a tag, not a flag

user30

@MarcoCeppi Yeah, @badp has scheduled the events on the steam group, 0x09 & 0x0a

GnomeSlice

(doesn't know what an RTFM thing is)

Abby Ψ

rtfm = read the f#$*@n manual

Peter Olson

release to manufacturers?

Marco Ceppi

8:41 PM

RTFM

:In ray tracing or within the context of BRL-CAD, "RTFM" may stand for "ray tracing figure of merit". RTFM is an initialism for the direction "Read The Fucking Manual". This instruction is sometimes given in response to a question when the person being asked believes that the question could be easily answered by reading the relevant user's manual or instructions. In expurgated texts, substitutions such as "read the flaming manual" or "read the friendly manual" are used (or similar variants). Initialisms similar to the one above include GIYF ("Google is your friend") and LMGTFY ("let me ...

M'vy

Well don't try to "search" on stackoverflow :P

GnomeSlice

I generally avoid the site searches altogether.

BrMcMullin

it was a turtle

GnomeSlice

in The Bridge, yesterday, by badp

In which we make it absolutely sure that GnomeSlice knows exactly what vaporware is

20 mins ago, 51 seconds total – 6 messages, 5 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 19 secs ago by badp

I hate Wikipedia.

Michael Mrozek

.... blinks

Grace Note

8:42 PM

@MichaelMrozek ?

Michael Mrozek

@GraceNote Generally when I see closers described as "anal-retentive freaks", it's on a heavily downvoted meta question by a terrible asker

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote I have that effect on people.

Grace Note

@MichaelMrozek Oh, you're listening to the podcast and that's being mentioned, I guess

Laura Ψ

@JeffFerland discussion, promotion, conference maybe?

Michael Mrozek

@GraceNote Yes. Someone should ask him if he thinks mods are power-hungry dictators as well

GnomeSlice

8:44 PM

@MichaelMrozek Depends on which mods.

cough@badpcough

Jon Galloway

Has anyone done something interesting w/ feeding SO info to an AI system to answer common questions?

GnomeSlice

@JonGalloway I thought that was @tzenes.

Jon Galloway

Seems like there's enough info there that some info could be extracted to run a wizard based system for level 1 support

@GnomeSlice Link?

GnomeSlice

@JonGalloway Er... I was joking.

Jon Galloway

Um. I knew that.

GnomeSlice

8:47 PM

(I was indicating that tzenes is an AI that answers questions)

Grace Note

[homework] by whose standards!?

Abby Ψ

Don't forget to let me know if you have questions for our hosts, gang.

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M'vy

@Abby has he been presented so far?

AnonJr

I used the ignore [code-golf] all the time in the beginning...

Michael Mrozek

@GraceNote Anyone with 500 rep

Grace Note

8:48 PM

Nice counter.

Abby Ψ

@Mvy has John been presented yet, you mean?

M'vy

Well I guess

GnomeSlice

If it's a site for all levels of skill, why do I always ~~feel~~ look like a) an idiot or b) a jerk?

Abby Ψ

it may have happened while livestream was rebooting

they continue talking while the livestream is down - for the recording

Jeff Ferland

If more experienced users ignore simpler questions, simpler questions will be answered and voted upon by those who may not have the experience to answer correctly.

We see things like that all the time where Security questions on Stack Overflow are wrong and highly upvoted.

Michael Mrozek

8:50 PM

Joel is deeply confused

Jon Galloway

Jeff's right, there are plenty of point snipers

VxJasonxV

"Because it's FUN." That line got my attention...

GnomeSlice

Wow @Jeff.

Michael Mrozek

@VxJasonxV Getting reputation is extremely fun, yes

GnomeSlice

That's a silly reason to help somebody.

M'vy

8:51 PM

DUPE!

Jake McGraw

Joel Signal Vs Noise

VxJasonxV

@MichaelMrozek Gamification at it's finest :P. I was remarking that Joel certainly got my attention back when he shouted 'fun'.

GnomeSlice

elitistjerks.com

(There are other websites for that.)

BrMcMullin

oh snap

Michael Mrozek

The reason to not want people to answer these questions is it encourages askers to keep asking those questions, and the more crappy questions that are on the site, the harder it is to find good questions, and the less likely experts are to browse the site on a regular basis. Didn't we figure all this out like 3 years ago?

BrMcMullin

8:52 PM

I didn't expect to see a reference to EJ in here...

GnomeSlice

@BrMcMullin That's what I do.

Jeff Ferland

Agreed on the dup issue... answer, then mark duped when it happens again.

M'vy

Need to improve the search then...

Grace Note

Hah! Alertfalse!

GnomeSlice

@Mvy I avoid the search completely because it doesn't work.

Marco Ceppi

8:53 PM

Why - Love the SE mascot walking around

M'vy

@Gnome I know

Google's better

GnomeSlice

Can I get a screenshot with the SE mascot!?

M'vy

(it even refresh StackOverflow faster than SO itself)

Jorge Castro

I set the search thing for SE's to use google instead, much nicer

Marco Ceppi

28 mins ago, by Thomas McDonald

GnomeSlice

8:54 PM

That reminds me, anyone using chrome may find this useful.

Kyle Cronin

Jeff, what about the Reversal badge?

GnomeSlice

@MarcoCeppi Yeah but...

Kyle Cronin

the reversal badge rewards people for answering bad questions

that's not a culture thing, that's something built into the system

Jake McGraw

joel expand your search results, it's there

GnomeSlice

I don't think they actually care about our questions. :P

Grace Note

8:55 PM

@KyleCronin The intention is more about "Providing a spectacular answer to a poor question", which is basically that you're salvaging a bad question. Not simply answering it.

Jorge Castro

no idea we had title uniqueness now, that's handy

Derek

I admit to enjoying the act of gathering reputation. I don't down vote because I don't want to cost myself the 1 rep.

Grace Note

That's why it requires a full +20. However, don't know how well that helps on, say, Stack Overflow

M'vy

@Derek Downvote on question is free

GnomeSlice

Nobody answered my Meta SO question, even though it had a bounty on it.

Marco Ceppi

8:56 PM

@Derek I downvote with a vengeance on crap questions and answers

GnomeSlice

Clearly not EVERYONE cares about the reps.

Derek

Ahhh - just the answers costs. I see

Jon Galloway

Splitting a string varies by language and context, so I'd expect a few

But the titles for the questions should reflect that

Marco Ceppi

I'll just make a nice answer and get 50 rep - that allows me to dole out 50+ downvotes. DOWNVOTES ALL THE BAD THINGS

Mike T

Where splitting strings can save lives... here on SE

Michael Mrozek

8:57 PM

@GnomeSlice It was a feature request; how are non-employees supposed to answer? "Yes, that would be neat"

BrMcMullin

jesus, memes are everywhere...

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek Hm? You might have to explain that differently, sorry.

Jon Galloway

stringsplitting.stackexchange.com

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Michael Mrozek

@GnomeSlice You're talking about this? Nobody answered because nobody can answer except an employee; it was a feature request

GnomeSlice

@MichaelMrozek Oh, right.

How foolish of me.

Grace Note

8:58 PM

@GnomeSlice You had a suggestion for something to get implemented. The only people who can do stuff are the Team. Unless they're implementing it, then an answer isn't likely.

GnomeSlice

14 secs ago, by GnomeSlice

How foolish of me.

See, @GraceNote already knows how to make me understand things.

[s]he's learned.

Jon Galloway

What about if some dups could be moved as children of the top post instead of closed as dup?

In which we make it absolutely sure that GnomeSlice knows exactly what vaporware is

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