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8:53 AM
@PauloCereda Your proposal has given rise to a lively discussion on Meta
@CarLaTeX I don't want to take part on it anymore. :)
@PauloCereda I never imagined that such a topic would have been so much controversial :'(
@CarLaTeX oh no
@PauloCereda \qua_qua_qua in dispair
@CarLaTeX oh no
@JosephWright: can you close tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7475? I've made my mind and I think it's better to shutdown the question. :)
9:09 AM
@PauloCereda Done
@JosephWright Thank you. :)
@JosephWright: in other news, I am quite enjoying the reports for l3build. :)
@PauloCereda Good
@PauloCereda I should fix sourcefiledir by the end of the weekend
@PauloCereda I added a comment to cfr's answer too.
@UlrikeFischer <3<3<3
In retrospect, I think it was a mistake to post the question.
9:20 AM
@PauloCereda No.
@UlrikeFischer I totally agree with Ulrike, they are exaggerating with the politically correct
@PauloCereda ^^^
@CarLaTeX I don't think it's exaggeration, it's just another point of view. I too have strong feelings towards a lot of things, so the common ground for me is to reduce the impact of what I think towards a compromise solution. Mum always told me that sometimes it's better to be in peace rather than being right. :)
9:36 AM
@PauloCereda Yes, but it's very sad :'(
@PauloCereda But that they are other points of views doesn't mean that it was a mistake to post the question. If you start to think so you never can suggest anything and never make a joke - there is always someone who will oppose. You can't get unanimity in this world unless you are a tyrant, only majorities.
@CarLaTeX Don't take it too hard, please. :) We have a lot more reasons to be jolly and happy! We have the video, the tikzducks package, with a lot of people using and praising it, our community itself, the silly subjects we discuss here, and at last but not least, we have one another we can count on. :)
@UlrikeFischer Ah yes, I understand. The "problem" is that is not my style to sparkle discussion and controversy, I am more on the "let's say a lot of silly things and be wacky" side. :)
@PauloCereda “Fred er ei det beste, men at man noget vil.” – Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson (Peace is not the best, but that you want [to get] something [done]. – this is somewhat archaic Norwegian, so google translate makes a hash of it.)
@HaraldHanche-Olsen oh :)
Oh no, I cannot delete that question!
9:51 AM
@PauloCereda Not sure why you'd want to. But a moderator can delete it for sure, if that is desired.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I want to erase the question so no one can comment on it. :)
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11:44 AM
@PauloCereda Please don't this. Don't forget all the people who had fun when they saw the question and upvoted.
@UlrikeFischer Case in point, the question remains. :) Thank you! <3
12:29 PM
@AlanMunn ^^ from the last South Park episode.
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2:43 PM
@JosephWright I was wondering if beamer would benefit from some kind of test scripts to be run before the release of new versions? Over the last year many things in beamer got cleaned up and/or simplified, however I have the impression that it became a bit unstable. Would it be useful to compile a collection of test cases not only with the default themes but also other widely used themes (for example metropolis) to test if they still compile with each new release?
Maybe even to visually check if the output still looks the same? In case you think that this would be useful for beamer, I could offer to start putting something together over the holidays.
@samcarter I'd love to in many ways, but simply using a few defaults will not be enough
@samcarter I am going to move beamer to l3build soon, so will have the possibility of automated testing (easily): I'll likely add a few but they will probably only cover what I do anyway (actually use beamer 'live')
@samcarter On metropolis, the issue is that it decides to issue an error when it fails to patch beamer internals, so that is tricky
@samcarter We also have next-to-no docs on the code, so it's not always easy to know where to test for effects :(
@samcarter Like I say, I hope perhaps this weekend to sort out l3build so it can cope with the beamer structure. That will certainly make integrating tests easier: perhaps some simple document demos? I can just dump the entire output to .log and do a comparison there.
@JosephWright oh, automated testing sounds really promising!
@samcarter We have it all working for LaTeX itself, the problem is that beamer has a different file layout which I want/need to support (the existing Makefile is a pain). I think I can sort the issues ...
@JosephWright I certainly don't blame beamer for the problems with metropolis, I just have the impression that many people use it and if such problems could be detected prior to a beamer release the necessary bug reports/contributions to the metropolis theme could happen before the common user faces this problem.
We should have a modern test suite tool, something along the lines of the L3 ideals... hmmm....
2:55 PM
@PauloCereda 👍
@samcarter ooh an emoji
A North American porcupine mother and baby. (Photo: Tom Leeson)
@AlanMunn, @DavidCarlisle magiquiz.com/quiz/…
@JosephWright The collection of scripts for the documentation which produce the images of the available themes could be a starting point. At the moment they are only reprocessed if the image is missing, aren't they?
@samcarter Possibly: I've never really checked
@samcarter I need to rejig those anyway to work with l3build
Your Southern accent is as sweet as iced tea! Your words are drawn out, with a hint of twang and charm to spare.

However, you are most certainly shocked that people think “pin” and “pen” are pronounced differently, and you find it bizarre that people actually call coke “pop”!

You’re friendly as can be and are always aware of social cues and graces. Bless your heart!
^^ WAT
@PauloCereda They look quite spiky.
@JosephWright I will be curious to see how your l3build adventure will turn out!
3:11 PM
@samcarter they do. :)
@PauloCereda Oh, then I don't want them as pet - could be uncomfortable with them sitting on the couch!
@PauloCereda You probably already know twitter.com/hashtag/academicswithcats?lang=en
@samcarter ooh they are great
@PauloCereda I spend 15 minutes there and now I have serve withdrawal symptom and am thinking which cat-owning friend I could visit to battle the withdrawal.
@samcarter :D
I have two cats. :)
@PauloCereda I had one until 3 years ago.
3:19 PM
@samcarter oh :(
@PauloCereda I was honoured to enjoy her company for 19 years - so I cannot complain.
@samcarter Wow! Ciça is with me for 14 years. Fubá has 13.
@PauloCereda I wish you a lot of more great time with them! Please tell them I say hi!
@PauloCereda Have a nice day - I have to go now.
@samcarter Sure thing! Ciça is nearby and says hi. :)
@samcarter You too, take care!
3:57 PM
So, I'm looking at a math option for standalone and are wondering about the exact use cases.
At the moment every math environment/equation will end up on its own page.
Any ideas anyone?
4:20 PM
@MartinScharrer: Hey Martin! When you have some spare time, there's a quick fix in texdef...
4:49 PM
I have a west coast accent and : You’ve got like, a hella laid-back way of speaking, man. And all this time, you probably thought you didn’t even have an accent!

Whether it’s chilling by the beach or cruising in a drop-top, you take life as it comes, and never sweat the little stuff.

Your accent is actually an amalgamation of a lot of different regional dialects, so no one can ever really pinpoint where you come from — which is totally awesome for acting. Maybe you should move to Hollywood, if you don’t already live there!
@DavidCarlisle oh!
@PauloCereda question 5 was tricky as I didn't know any of the teams but you couldn't skip and picking one probably gives a string regional bias to the eventual answer
5:07 PM
@DavidCarlisle Same here, apparently
Friends, I need to have \downarrow and a letter together in math mode, any ideas of how bringing them together?
@PauloCereda \rlap\downarrow A
@DavidCarlisle thanks. :)
@PauloCereda or A \mkern-11mu \downarrow gives more control of course
@DavidCarlisle :)
5:19 PM
@PauloCereda 3cm+ of snow on my car this morning (and I had to drive 100miles home:-)
@DavidCarlisle Oh my!
And the willow tree?
@PauloCereda not so much snow here and the tree is still at a safe size after being pollarded last year or year before? whenever..
@DavidCarlisle I remember! Your car was safe. :)
@DavidCarlisle wow
5:29 PM
@PauloCereda basically this afternoon I started in the middle of the country and drove down the line marking "snow" from "not snow" so I wasn't sure what the weather was going to be like but actually after I left my parents seems like I missed it all
@DavidCarlisle Oh my! You could visit everybody during the adventure. :)
@PauloCereda do you think it will snow in São Paulo before you finish your thesis?
@DavidCarlisle There's a chance, it's happening in the South states. :D
@PauloCereda all your states look southern from here
@DavidCarlisle good point. :)
@DavidCarlisle: I thought of spamming the UK-TUG mailing list about asking a discount for ducks, but Joseph might get upset with this claim. :)
5:36 PM
@PauloCereda The down arrow superimposed to the letter? Or just one next to the other? In the latter case, {\downarrow}A
@egreg No, it goes nearby. :)
@egreg OH MY
That was easy!
@PauloCereda \downarrow is, when not used in the context of \left and \right (or \bigl and friends) is a relation symbol.
@PauloCereda Bracing it makes it ordinary.
@egreg Understood, thank you!
@PauloCereda Don't trust blokes distracted by snow.
@egreg and willows
5:40 PM
@egreg the problem was somewhat underspecified:-)
@DavidCarlisle we ducks are afraid of math
@DavidCarlisle But \rlap\downarrow sounds a bit suspicious in terms of TeX syntax.
@PauloCereda it's Ok: you taste the same afraid or not.
@egreg It was really just intended as a question whether overlapping was wanted:-)
@DavidCarlisle you are mean
Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
5:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle oh no
Sep 29 at 12:09, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle oh yes :)
I'd like to send a mail to the maintainer of tikz-cd to ask him to document the possibility to use \tikzcdmatrixname: tex.stackexchange.com/a/405152/101651 but any address appears on the package documentation nor on CTAN? Is it impossible to contact him?
6:08 PM
Forget it, I've found him as a TeX.SE user and started a chat with him. I hope he'll reply, thank you!
@CarLaTeX also, there's an email address on line one of tikz-cd.sty
@DavidCarlisle Thank you, I'll try with that email!

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