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8:05 PM
@JosephWright Unfortunately
 
8:17 PM
May I say that the "LuaTeX" question has ruined my day? Only partly saved by Andrew's "rant"? I can't believe that "quality my a@@" has appeared on the site. Again from a member that doesn't know where politeness lives and thinks that trying for 20 minutes to get a work done is sufficient for thinking that everybody should understand what he wants. I often spend more than twenty minutes on an answer!
 
Hey all!
 
As I see you can link the keyword extension to one of your own python scripts that extends: [keyword.py](http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/KeywordPlan?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=keyword.py) to transfer it to svn formatting. I think maybe this is the easiest. However it seams to be incorporated: [newest branch of keyword](http://www.blacktrash.org/hg/hgkeyword/file/a0451f80f665/hgkw/keyword.py), see line 67.
Try `{date|svnisodate}`.
 
@egreg In the half time break ? ;)
 
My attempt on drawing a Woody Woodpecker. :(
 
@N3buchadnezzar No, I've seen almost all the first half and I'm annoyed. :)
 
8:21 PM
@PauloCereda Very nice! I would have done it in gray tone, and THAT would not have been pretty! :)
 
@zeroth awww! :)
@egreg: Go Barça? :)
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@zeroth Thanks. One minor nit pick with your diagram: The direction of the B vector is not clear. It is perpendicular to the z axis, or the edge of the triangle. Still excellent work, need to see how easily I can use this to rotate my labels. Thanks again.
 
@PauloCereda I'd like that Milan goes to the final, actually.
 
@PauloCereda Nice, are you going to post that as a "How do I draw this?" :-)
 
8:24 PM
@PauloCereda In Tikz ? ;)
 
@PeterGrill yes, it was a trade-off from how the diagram looked and where the arrows where. I could have added a perpendicular notice of the triangular plane to the B vector. That would certainly clear up that thing!
 
@egreg Really? :) The game is very truncated. And I don't know Milan could classify in the Camp Nou. :(
@PeterGrill Good idea! :P
@N3buchadnezzar In MetaFont! :D
 
I just saw lines 51-53,
[keywordset]
svn = True
@PeterGrill and maybe not, the beta angle clearly denotes its direction, it has the same angle in the triangle. :)
@PeterGrill although in a very intricate manor...
 
\begin{tikzpicture}
\node[WoodyWoodpecker] {}
\end{tikzpicture}
 
8:30 PM
@PauloCereda That's a big problem. But it's not impossible, provided they don't wear slippers (like Robinho and Ibrahimović in the first half). :)
 
@egreg hehe true! :)
 
@AndrewStacey Are you teaching anything next fall ? =)
 
@PauloCereda but will England hang on to beat Sri Lanka?
 
8:46 PM
@zeroth Also it seems that is some issue with the arc denoting the two \theta angles. The arcs are not in place if the elevation and/or azimuth is changed. Just FYI...
 
@DavidCarlisle It will be impressive if they do
 
@AndrewStacey I think this is not as simply decided as you think. For example, when someone asks a question about a linguistics package or tikz-qtree, the question might be easily answered by me, (who knows and uses those packages every day) even though the question might appear opaque to non-users of those packages (even experts). But to the person asking the question, the question might appear simple or obvious, even though only an "expert" like me (in that limited domain) can answer it easily.
 
9:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'm sure they will. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Go England! :)
I'm thinking of writing a similar latexmk/rubber tool.
 
@PauloCereda @PauloCereda I don't know what we're talking about, but it seems that David and Joseph do. :)
 
@egreg Making a big fourth innings total :-)
 
@egreg Indeed. :) I think a "Go England!" line is safe. :)
 
@JosephWright I'd agree, if I knew what "a big fourth innings total" is. :)
@JosephWright During an innings do both teams alternate at bat?
 
9:08 PM
see the cut out box on the left with historic last innings scores bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/17533734
 
What if I accidentally hit the referee with a bat?
 
@PauloCereda You'd have trouble: the match referee is a long way from the bat
 
@PauloCereda don't call the umpire a referee, he'll be offended:-)
 
@JosephWright Oops. :)
 
@egreg That's one of the things that is hard to explain, unless you know other sports with the 'in/out' concept, like baseball
 
9:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle aaaah. :)
 
@PauloCereda Being hit by the ball is rather more likely, but a good umpire should keep an eye on the ball all of the time.
 
@JosephWright I guess that "inning" in baseball comes from "innings".
 
Note: the ball is very hard. I usually describe it as 'basically being made of wood'
 
@JosephWright Ah good eyesight. :)
 
@egreg Yes, same general concept. One team have the bat, one have the ball, then they swap over. In cricket, both teams have one go with the bat
 
9:12 PM
@JosephWright And the match can be very long. :)
 
@egreg Yup
You get meal breaks and everything
Watching cricket is not like watching say football. It's normal to take something to do! (Say the radio, a book, ...)
Although you do have to watch out for the ball
 
I once saw an interview with John Cleese talking about cricket. I found it very funny. :)
 
9:25 PM
Note to self: When hosting a TUG conference, add cricket to the activities list. :)
Well, at least I can get a lot of crickets here (the other one). :P
 
Today is Document Freedom Day: documentfreedom.org
Any connection to TeX?
 
@StefanKottwitz The format is surely accessible through every major platform with a text editor (Wii soon be added), since it's a plain text format. We can build TeX from source if we want and even modify it, so it's open. The "language" is ruled by a set of directives fully described in the TeXbook and in other resources; I wouldn't use "standards" because it's IMHO a buzzword (for this context) and it's far newer than TeX itself.
According to the "Open Standards" list, I think we are in. :)
 
9:41 PM
@PauloCereda Now if only someone would make a better output format....
 
@PauloCereda Ok, so I should blog something
 
@Canageek I like PDF. :)
@StefanKottwitz Cool! :)
@Stefan: I think TeX complies with this list: documentfreedom.org/openstandards.en.html
 
@Canageek PDF is in parts an open standard
 
@PauloCereda Ehhhh. Only 1 full implementation, other readers are variable in quality, supposedly you see the same thing on every computer, but you don't if the viewer isn't identical, hard to use on the web, hard (and slow!) to search
 
and I guess DVI is
 
9:46 PM
@Canageek IMHO PDF is not subject to TeX, I think. It's only an output, and the PDF specification is open too.
 
@StefanKottwitz I think it is an acceptable standard for now, but I think we could easily do better. First throw out 90% of the features, as no one uses them. Make alternate characters a native part of it, so you don't have searches screwed up by ligatures. Make the file include the TeX code an images with it, so you have one package that is both the output and the input.
@StefanKottwitz I am aware of this; This is my wishlist.
 
@GonzaloMedina: I think I should add your comment to the answer. Is that ok?
 
@PeterGrill Yes, it's OK.
 
@StefanKottwitz Great post! :)
 
@PauloCereda quick shot, as the dfd ended at midnight ;-)
 
@StefanKottwitz Oh! :)
 
@PeterGrill I deleted my comment.
 
10:22 PM
@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle I've always liked this cricket explanation: intermain.org.uk/john/what_is_cricket.php
 
@StephanLehmke Thanks.
 
@AlanMunn LOL! :) My brain hurts. :P
 
@PauloCereda What's funny about it is that is is entirely accurate, just not very helpful.
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@AlanMunn :)
 
Can be closed as a duplicate, based on the OP's last comment:
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Q: BibTeX, Natbib, and Algorithm2e

DavidI'm trying to prepare a journal submission, and I'm having trouble getting natbib to play nicely. When I include natbib in my document, it gives me the following error: ! Undefined control sequence \chapter ...ace{10\p@ }}\algocf@original@chapter l.1 \begin{thebibliography}{17} This isn't s...

 
10:41 PM
If I find an answer which is no longer accurate, should I edit it?
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A: Which packages should be loaded after hyperref instead of before?

Lev Bishop cleveref Many others are documented in section 6 of the hyperref README. Some are more complex than simply loading after hyperref. Here are some more common ones... amsrefs float before hyperref before algorithm chappg sidecap linguex

 
@AlanMunn That's something that most people think about mathematics and mathematicians.
 
If anyone cares to give me a hand:
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Q: Move sidecap images to the end of the document

CanageekI'm trying to move all the figures to the end of my document, so I can judge its length based on text alone (My undergraduate thesis has to be no more then 20 pages, not counting figures). I've been doing this by loading \usepackage[nofiglist,notablist]{endfloat} But this only moves normal f...

 
@GonzaloMedina A man on a hot air balloon gets lost because of the fog. Happily he arrives at a spot where there's no fog and sees a guy on the ground under the balloon. "Where am I?" he asks. "On a hot air balloon", replies the guy. "Ouch, a mathematician," thinks the man on the balloon.
 
@egreg I've heard a different version
A man on a hot air balloon gets lost because of the fog. Happily he arrives at a spot where there's no fog and sees a guy on the ground under the balloon. "Where am I?" he asks. "On a hot air balloon", replies the guy. "You must be in management" calls out the man in the balloon. "Yes, I am. How did you know that?" asks the man on the ground. "The answer you gave was technically correct, but absolutely no use in helping me figure out where I am." The man on the ground replies
 
@Canageek Did you try \DeclareDelayedFloatFlavour{SCfigure}{figure}?
 
10:54 PM
"Ah, I see. You must be in marketing." "Yes, I am, how did YOU know that?" "You are the one that got lost, and you aren't any worse off then before, but now it is my fault."
@egreg Feel free to write that into an answer so I can give you reputation. I was really not expecting it to be that easy!
 
@egreg :)
I remember this one: a mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer are riding a train through Scotland. The engineer looks out the window, sees a black sheep, and exclaims, "Hey! They've got black sheep in Scotland!" The physicist looks out the window and corrects the engineer, "Strictly speaking, all we know is that there's at least one black sheep in Scotland." (ctd)
(ctd) The mathematician looks out the window and corrects the physicist, " Strictly speaking, all we know is that is that at least one side of one sheep is black in Scotland."
 
@PauloCereda Yes, I know that. :)
 
@egreg :)
 
@PauloCereda But that one was, strictly speaking, a logician. :)
 
@egreg Sorry to bother you over something that was in the manual. Please have some yummy reputation to compensate you for wasting your time.
 
11:06 PM
@egreg Oh, my bad. :)
 
@Canageek So you should upvote it in an hour; strangely enough I reached rep cap, today. :)
 
@egreg Too late; should I unupvote it and do so again?
;)
 
@Canageek Darn! :)
@PauloCereda Tomorrow I'll have an introductory lecture in logic for high school students. One of the traditional things I say is about "what's a word" and I make the example of Constantinopolitanischerdudelsackspfeifenmachersgesellschaft
 
@egreg Oh my! How does one even pronounce this word? :)
 
@PauloCereda I also mention the famous false syllogisms with "Mus syllaba est" by Seneca.
Unfortunately they work only in Latin.
 
11:12 PM
@egreg Cool! :)
 
"Mus syllaba est. Mus autem caseum rodit. Ergo syllaba caseum rodit." Wrong: you can't go from the particular to the general. So let's change it: "Mus syllaba est. Syllaba autem caseum non rodit. Ergo mus caseum non rodit." :)
 
@egreg Ah Latin is so awesome. :)
@egreg: I have a friend who told me this little 'joke', but I'm not sure if I'll be able to tell: a mathematician was being interviewed for a job; as one of the tests, he was put inside a room on fire and with a bucket of water on the table. The interviewer asked, "how would you solve this?". The mathematician took the bucket and spread water in the whole room. (ctd)
(ctd) Then he was taken to a second room, also on fire, and with the bucket of water over the table. The interviewer said, "how would you solve this?" The mathematician said, "Easy!", and simply took the bucket and put it on the table. :)
 
11:28 PM
@PauloCereda There's a variation. The task is to boil some water having a pot, a tap and a gas stove. First case: the pot is empty. Solution: put the pot under the tap, fill the pot, put it on the stove. Second case: the pot is full. Solution: empty it so we reduce to the preceding case.
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@egreg Ah, the variation is cooler. :)
 
Good night!
 
@egreg Good night! :)
 
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