TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Ulrike Fischer

08:31

@DavidCarlisle ;-)

Paulo Cereda

10:23

MOAR CAKE TODAY

CarLaTeX

10:35

@PauloCereda Greedy!

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX /shares cake

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda <3

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX <3

I am a good duck.

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Very good!

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX yay

CarLaTeX

10:41

@cfr See here: tex.stackexchange.com/q/358562/101651, that's what I intended for tikz squashing of the text...

egreg

11:07

@JosephWright No meeting for me today: graduation committee at the same time and unfortunately I'm supposed to listen to the presentations.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright we should assign all actions to @egreg in his absence.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Joseph Wright

11:55

@egreg Cool

@DavidCarlisle Also cool

David Carlisle

@JosephWright should we add make all latex packages work in amstex to the agenda?

Paulo Cereda

12:19

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda @egreg will be proud of you

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Are you going to eat that?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg no. :)

David Carlisle

@FrankMittelbach name from the past:-) github.com/ho-tex/oberdiek/issues/23

@PauloCereda you still have time to edit that to say yes

Paulo Cereda

12:22

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Ulrike Fischer

12:59

@DavidCarlisle Ah. That's where the sudden interest for amstex comes from. But I hope you won't spent to much time on it ;-)

Paulo Cereda

13:17

@UlrikeFischer David has a lot of Minecraft farms to harvest. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda minecraft and pokemon go are so last year

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle What do we have now? Nintendo Switch? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda farming simulator and scrap mechanic :-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh :)

Paulo Cereda

14:06

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daleif

15:33

I have a debugging challenge for you. The ams classes has issues with reqno + empheq, I can reduce it to the following MWE. Can anyone come up with an idea why the \everydisplay setting causes empheq to not display eq numbers. I cannot quite figure out how to debug this.

\documentclass{article}
\makeatletter
\def\fullwidthdisplay{\displayindent\z@\displaywidth\columnwidth}
\edef\@tempa{\noexpand\fullwidthdisplay\the\everydisplay}
\everydisplay\expandafter{\@tempa}%<-- bad ???
\makeatother
\usepackage{empheq}
\begin{document}
\begin{empheq}{align}
A
\\
B \label{h}
\\
C
\end{empheq}
\end{document}

Interesting hint, empheq redefines \measure@, if one ask it to typeout the value of \displaywidth, then you always get the same value when \everydisplay\expandafter{\@tempa}, is used. If that code is deactivated, one get two different values (the first being 8192pt)

David Carlisle

@daleif empheq uses \displaywidth all over the place, is it expecting it to be changed in everydisplay? why can't you set it earlier, eg at the start?

daleif

@DavidCarlisle I'm not setting it, amsart.cls is setting it like this. The above is the simplest MWE I could make without using amsart.

I'm guessing that it resets \displaywidth everything time display math is entered. Where does the normal value of 8192 come from?

Gustavo Mezzetti

15:52

@DavidCarlisle: Hi! I guess that this comment refers to an—ahem!—“undocumented feature” concerning pdfremotestartview that I reported some times ago: do I guess correctly?

David Carlisle

@GustavoMezzetti yes github.com/ho-tex/hyperref/commit/…

@daleif tex-the-program sets \displaywidth based on the current \hsize and \displayindent

Gustavo Mezzetti

@DavidCarlisle Thanks, I’ll have a look as soon as I can. Bye!

David Carlisle

@GustavoMezzetti It's exactly the code you suggested (unless I copied it incorrectly:-)

daleif

@DavidCarlisle I gathered as much, was looking through tex by topic. Interestingly this bug only appear if the eqnos are on the right, ams default is left, so probablt have not seen them before.

If I change \def\fullwidthdisplay{\displayindent\z@\displaywidth\columnwidth} to \def\fullwidthdisplay{\displayindent\z@\displaywidth\hsize}, things work again. hmm

David Carlisle

@daleif makes sense presumably empheq has reduced teh effective column side to add its border

daleif

16:01

@DavidCarlisle I'll look at it again tomorrow.

Gustavo Mezzetti

@DavidCarlisle Yes, indeed, I’ve just checked it!

Paulo Cereda

16:53

Quaaaaaaaaaaaaack

Let's break the silence a bit. :)

David Carlisle

17:05

@GustavoMezzetti thanks, there are a couple more open issues that I might try to sneak in but I need to do an update to hyperref soon (before the next latex release)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I've been typing up meeting minutes

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright oh no

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Also reaching rep cap for a pretty trivial answer

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright link please. :)

Joseph Wright

15

A: How can I typeset Greek letters in siunitx?

You need to disable the parser for anything that is not a number: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{siunitx} \begin{document} \SI[parse-numbers = false]{\alpha}{\radian} \end{document}

Paulo Cereda

17:08

@JosephWright upvoted. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Eight more days at 200 needed for Legendary ...

@PauloCereda That's OK: already rep capped

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright OK, I had refrained from voting, so you are my target in the next few days. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I'm not really fussed: I decided a long time ago that it was largely better to let others take the low-hanging fruit

@PauloCereda I do like to do the siunitx questions though

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda In any case, it's hard to predict what will get upvoted

Paulo Cereda

17:10

@JosephWright In the dark alley, I ran from arara questions. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda otherwise known as s@ri@l v@ting:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle That is of course not allowed

I'm reasonably sure that at some point I'll get to 150 days at 200 rep simply based on the fact that I get to the rep cap from time to time

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright of course. But anyway he's too busy with his thesis to vote too often

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright lalalalala can't hear you

I am a real duck, not a robot.

Joseph Wright

17:13

@PauloCereda As you know, votes are for questions/answers not for the person posting them

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright exactly, but there's an indirect consequence to both question and answer. :)

David Carlisle

17:31

@PauloCereda remind me what do gitter and gitlab do that github doesn't (I think I get gitter mail because of something you set up but I don't recall using it)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Gitter is the chat thingy. You are in the arara and L3 chatrooms. Gitlab is the former Gitorious website, which is basically a DIY version of GitHub.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda and should I concerned that they just joined up, if I haven't really used either

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle no, do not worry. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda phew

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle not my fault

@DavidCarlisle oh I see what you mean, I got the email.

@egreg: I watched a video talk by Michael Sipser, one of my favourite authors on formal languages (he's actually a mathematician), and he used Comic Sans in his entire talk. /sigh

Johannes_B

17:41

@PauloCereda Mike from Gitter?

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Yes, that bloody bastard.

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda :-)

Alan - "You bloody bastard!"

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Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B LOL

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda I love Green Wing

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B :)

egreg

17:55

@PauloCereda AAAAAAARGH!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Very depressing, to say the least. :)

Canageek

18:48

Submitted my first primary author paper today. So I can stop bugging @JosephWright for a little while.

Paulo Cereda

@Canageek Congrats, and good luck too! :)

Canageek

@PauloCereda Thanks

11 pages for the main manuscript at 11 pt type, double column. 114 citations. 9 crystal structures.

David Carlisle

19:13

@Canageek 11 pages! that's ten times longer than @PauloCereda's thesis.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oy

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I could have said eleven times longer

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle <3

@DavidCarlisle ~~That would be more accurate~~ I'd rather not comment on such matters.

Joseph Wright

@Canageek :)

Paulo Cereda

WHY ARE ENGLISHMEN SO TALL

Joseph Wright

19:26

@PauloCereda Not everyone in the picture is that tall

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh :)

StrongBad

@JosephWright if I want to use seasons in biblatex, do I need to specify them in the date or does it know January is in the winter based on localisation?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda being North of the equator helps

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Does \rotatebox help?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda anyway define tall (If you want to be English we need an answer in feet and inches)

Paulo Cereda

19:30

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle don't you even start, you guys use the metric system

Or @JosephWright's siunitx is a lie. :)

Metrication in the United Kingdom

Metrication in the United Kingdom is the process of introducing the metric system of measurement in place of imperial units in the United Kingdom. Metrication in the United Kingdom remains equivocal and varies by context. Most of government, industry and commerce use metric units, but imperial units are officially used to specify journey distances, vehicle speeds and the sizes of returnable milk containers, beer and cider glasses (though fresh milk is often still sold in multiples of pints, with the metric equivalent also marked). Imperial units are also often used informally to describe bo...

Oh no

Joseph Wright

@StrongBad I think out-of-the-box you'd have to do it by hand

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda metric system is for work no one knows their height in metres

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Ah, but Brexit is coming

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh my

@JosephWright oh no

@DavidCarlisle And I don't know my height in feet and inches. :)

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle I tried to learn my weight in stone, but people looked at me funny.

Paulo Cereda

19:32

@StrongBad ooh

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Was talking to a Canadian yesterday: forgot they use US units, so told him my weight in stone and pounds, and in kilograms, but he didn't know either: had to translate to pounds only (10st 7lb = 65 kg = 147 lb)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Oh my!

@DavidCarlisle: found it: I am 5ft 9in. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda taller than some in that picture I'd guess

StrongBad

@JosephWright so you use stone? The east midlands seemed to rely mostly on metric

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I am actually very short considering today's standards. :)

Joseph Wright

19:37

@StrongBad May be my age, of course: I'm 39

David Carlisle

@StrongBad for weights of people, almost everyone does.

Paulo Cereda

@StrongBad sticks and stones can break heights... :)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle My PhD student (mid-20s from London) uses only metric

David Carlisle

@JosephWright children, what do they know

@StrongBad which bit of the east midlands were you in?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ~~Skrilex~~ oh

David Carlisle

19:39

@JosephWright how do you run context mkii? is it made by default in texlive?

StrongBad

I was in Nottingham. The unit I really miss is a proper pint. Not only is American beer crappy, there is so little of it.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad The county of my birth:-)

Paulo Cereda

@StrongBad ooh there was a sheriff in there

@DavidCarlisle o.O

StrongBad

@PauloCereda yes there was. I lived next door to the castle off of Maid Marian Way.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle texexec <name>

David Carlisle

19:44

aha I remember now:-)

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle we had this discussion once. I thought you were from leicestershire.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad nope born in Southwell, lived in Mansfield (15 miles North of Nottingham) from a few weeks old until I went to University

$ texexec file

resolvers       | trees | analyzing 'home:texmf'sh: ruby: command not found

mtxrun          |
mtxrun          | This script needs 'ruby' which seems not to be installed.
mtxrun          |

@JosephWright I'm sure it didn't require that when I last ran it ^^ :-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle MkII has always needed Ruby in my time

David Carlisle

@JosephWright hmm wikipedia says "Ruby was conceived on February 24, 1993. " I thought it was newer than that, perhaps I did have it back then

Joseph Wright

20:12

@DavidCarlisle Will depend on the system you were using: I can use MkII here on my Mac without issue but not at work (at least not without installing Ruby)

Canageek

20:22

Also, if anyone knows the person that writes mhchem my group is in agreement that fixing it running into the margines and manually adding linebreaks is a problem. So if anyone wants to tell the maintainer to add automatic line breaking, or write an alternative that does, I'm pretty sure we'll love you forever

I should talk with the person who does chemformula about that

Joseph Wright

@Canageek Breaking formulas is a tricky one

Canageek

@JosephWright That is what I thought, then someone pointed out that it isn't that hard if you use the brackets as a guide.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright sunos I'd guess

Joseph Wright

@Canageek Perhaps: my experience is this is quite tricky (and some of the cases you see in the published literature are a bit ropey)

@DavidCarlisle Pass on Ruby there!

Canageek

Hard Example: [nBu4N]2[(UO2)2(µ-η2:η2-O2)(NO3)2(µ-Au(CN)2)2]

But the most obvious break is obvious:
[nBu4N]2 [(UO2)2(µ-η2:η2-O2)(NO3)2(µ-Au(CN)2)2]

Then [nBu4N]2 [(UO2)2 (µ-η2:η2-O2) (NO3)2 (µ-Au(CN)2)2] right? All based on brackets

(I picked that as hard mode, since it is one of the most complex ones I've seen)

David Carlisle

21:28

@JosephWright vvvvv ?

I'm not sure if we have a standard function in L3 to return the catcode of a token as a number... — David Carlisle 43 secs ago

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Indeed we don't: the plan has been I think to try to move toward symbolic stuff

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer didn't like my use of latex3

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle I'm hurt :-( I only tried to help. And I still don't understand why a catcode 12 char in the first argument of \tl_map_inline:nn has a different catcode in the body. It's unexpected ;-)

David Carlisle

21:57

@UlrikeFischer you are not looking at the catcode of the token at all. if you print out the\catcode`a and it says 11 it doesn't tell you that was a catcode 11 a, it tells you that if you parsed an a with the current settings you would get a catcode 11 token.

@UlrikeFischer because catcode`a is just another way of writing \catcode97 it does not inspect the token.

Ulrike Fischer

22:10

@DavidCarlisle ah, you are right. I was somehow thinking that I look at the current concrete token.

Joseph Wright

22:26

@egreg Enjoy your first set of minutes?

egreg

23:41

@JosephWright Not yet. Just came back he me after dinner with my high school mates

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