TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Kurzd

1:23 AM

Is it rude to ask for help on TeXstudio tweaking here?

Alenanno

2:10 AM

@cfr same user. He simply registered again. Check usernames

cfr

2:31 AM

@Alenanno Very likely. Even more reason not to ask the same question again.

@Kurzd Here in chat? Or on the main site? Neither is rude, unless you make it that way. Sometimes the questions even get answered. However, you obviously have a smaller pool of potential helpers than with a general LaTeX question, for example, since you need somebody who knows that particular editor.

Kurzd

@cfr Only sometimes?
I'm trying to use the color themes from http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108315/how-can-i-set-a-dark-theme-in-texstudio/123133 . Sucess=0

OR, I could comment after the instructions. I'm really slow sometimes.

cfr

3:20 AM

@Kurzd Like I say, obviously fewer people can help with editor issues than a general LaTeX one. I don't use TeXstudio, so I don't know anything about the issue.

Johannes_B

7:46 AM

@cfr Merci, good answer.

@JosephWright Now that i look at the text again, isn't that the text google translated for us?

Johannes_B

9:45 AM

Six upvotes within the last hour. :-/

Joseph Wright

10:09 AM

Morning all

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Good Morning.

Christian Hupfer

Good maen

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Mahlzeit

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Noch nicht...

Johannes_B

10:39 AM

@ChristianHupfer What are you going to have for lunch?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Pasta, most likely

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Mjam. Spätzle.

with chicken hearts.

Rico

10:55 AM

Spätzle? Mahlzeit? Ham wir die Sprache gewechselt? :D

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Hey guys.

This might be of interest to you.

→ meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267837/…

Johannes_B

@Rico How would you translate those words? :-)

Rico

@Johannes_B awkward noodles and lunchtime :D

Johannes_B

@Rico Well, ...

Rico

@Johannes_B nich? :D

Johannes_B

11:08 AM

@Rico No :-p

Christian Hupfer

@Rico Awkward noodles...? Für mich sind Spätzle eine Delikatesse -- für einen Baden-Württemberger eine Pflicht ;-)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Just note that you shouldn't take very rash actions.

Diagnose the issue(s) carefully before flagging or meta-posting or anything else.

Rico

@ChristianHupfer you're right, they are, but I had to come up with a name quick :D

David Carlisle

11:50 AM

@Johannes_B slow morning then?

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle For old questions. I thought i serial one is ahead.

Rico

yeah! got a new flat! but need to buy a kitchen :/

Johannes_B

@Rico And a transporter. I would gladly help you moving, but ... I am quite far away.

Rico

@Johannes_B excuses... excuses everywhere :P

Johannes_B

@Rico Not an excuse. I just don't want to get there by train and and notice, Bielefeld does indeed not exist.

Rico

12:03 PM

@Johannes_B wasn't it braunschweig, where trains sometimes just don't stop? :D

Alenanno

12:27 PM

:P

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Alenanno protect-all-teh-things

Alenanno

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. ah-ah-yes-indeed

Rico

1:45 PM

Lets send a Happy Birthday to Donald Knuth guys!

15

egreg

Happy birthday, Donald Knuth!

2

Paulo Cereda

Happy birthday, mr. Knuth!

Alenanno

Happy birthday!

Henri Menke

2:00 PM

-4

Q: Gmail.net."xxx"

**> * ![enter code Herr 2. List item ]1 * ** enter code here

xetex

This guy seems to have missed the Markdown Sandbox.

Either way, could you please help me flag it for deletion?

Johannes_B

Happy Birthday DEK. 🎂

Rico

@HenriMenke already flagged it :)

barbara beeton

2:12 PM

@Rico -- happy birthday, don! (but i've already done it.)

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton By post?

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- i've got my ways. (remember, i was don's "tex entomologist" for lots of years.)

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton Sure

@barbarabeeton Post would work ...

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- yes, it would indeed.

Alenanno

So... I discovered my issue with TikZ opacity on Preview is not only mine.

I hope they fix this. >_>

egreg

2:27 PM

@barbarabeeton Maybe you can also send hime the greetings from TeX.SX.

Rico

here we go again: tex.stackexchange.com/q/286937/23052

barbara beeton

@Rico -- either terribly confused or equally misguided. @JosephWright -- maybe one for the mod hammer?

Rico

@barbarabeeton looks more like scriptkiddie, IMHO

Johannes_B

2:54 PM

@clemens Someone replied to me tweet where i was looking for a thesis template. twitter.com/wespennest/status/686195843888709632

Alenanno

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Q: All Caps in Whole Document

Is there a way to force the text of an entire document to be typeset in all upper case with the exception of any math?

capitalization

What.

egreg

@Alenanno De gustibus non est disputandum

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Meaning: people are wacky. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Or ducky

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Quack. <3

Alenanno

3:05 PM

@egreg This transcends taste.

It's not readable, it hurts my eyes, it tortures my soul, and is also inconsistent, since not all characters support it.

egreg

Beyond Good and Evil (film)

Beyond Good and Evil (Italian: Al di là del bene e del male, UK title: Beyond Evil) is a 1977 drama film directed by Liliana Cavani. It stars Dominique Sanda, Erland Josephson and Robert Powell. The film follows the intense relationship formed in the 1880s between Friedrich Nietzsche, Lou Salomé and Paul Rée. This is the second part of "The German Trilogy" directed by Liliana Cavani. In The Night Porter she portrayed the connection between perversion and fascism. This time she depicts the life of Friedrich Nietzsche, a German philosopher who wrote Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Beyond Good and Evil...

Johannes_B

andothers = {et\ \addabbrvspace al\adddot},

egreg

@Alenanno ^^^^^^

Alenanno

@egreg For me?

egreg

@Alenanno That typesetting choice qualifies to be beyond good and evil.

Alenanno

3:09 PM

egreg

@Alenanno A long Latin inscription. Some abbreviations could be used. ;-)

Rico

@Alenanno looks a bit like old stone writings

Alenanno

@Rico Or Roman writing. But they didn't have the typesetting guidelines/best practice we have today. :P

Johannes_B

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B oh a name from the past:-)

Johannes_B

3:23 PM

@DavidCarlisle THe file still is maintained, along with the template.

Henri Menke

@Alenanno Overfull hbox.

Alenanno

@HenriMenke Exactly.

Henri Menke

@Alenanno But I suspect that you neither loaded hyphenation patterns for ancient latin nor did you load microtype.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B yes but Bernd used to be active in comp.text.tex etc back when I was active there so a name from my past is what I meant.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, i know what you meant. But look at it github.com/latextemplates/uni-stuttgart-computer-science-cover/… :-)

Alenanno

3:32 PM

@HenriMenke No, I was just typesetting an all caps example for @egreg. :P

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke In your tw answer with the bar chart, is the baseline of the label words dancing?

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B Yes, but using some base anchor is also unpractical and since the labels are rotated it's nearly unnoticeable.

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke That was very catchy for my eye.

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B Is it better now?

Christian Hupfer

Good maen

Johannes_B

3:45 PM

@HenriMenke What i see. ^^^^^

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B But now it should be aligned to the baseline since I do \node[rotate=45,anchor=base east,yshift=-1ex] at (\ind+1,0) {\name};

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke let me check.

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B You are also welcome to provide a better answer to this do-this-for-me-question ;)

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke Looks better when compiling with Overleaf, but the uploaded picture ... :-)

@HenriMenke I don't have the TikZ foo, nor any other I draw this for you foo.

@HenriMenke Are you aware of a How can i switch to xelatex/lualatex Q/A on tw?

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B Not yet. Can you send me a link?

Joseph Wright

4:03 PM

@clemens Thanks for CTAN update

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke No link to provide. The question was a mere Dow we have such a Q?

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B We have this texwelt.de/wissen/fragen/5868/…

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke Yeah, found that one too. We had two threads on gL suggesting to switch, followed by a i don't have any clue, how can i do that?

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B Shall I ask an “archiv”-question?

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke Sure. If a question like that does not exist, it might be a good reference.

@JosephWright meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/6449/… I think this is the way then?

Joseph Wright

4:28 PM

@DavidCarlisle Having fun with the documentation for \parse@XML@charref

@DavidCarlisle I think the following is right for an expandable version

\cs_new:Npn \codepoint_to_bytes:n #1
  {
    \exp_args:Nf \__codepoint_to_bytes:n { \int_eval:n {#1} }
  }
\cs_new:Npn \__codepoint_to_bytes:n #1
  {
    \if_int_compare:w #1 > "80 ~
      \if_int_compare:w #1 < "800 ~
        2
        \__codepoint_to_bytes_aux:Nnn C {#1} { 64 }
        \__codepoint_to_bytes_aux:n {#1}
      \else:
        \if_int_compare:w #1 < "10000 ~
          3
          \__codepoint_to_bytes_aux:Nnn E {#1} { 64 * 64 }
          \__codepoint_to_bytes_aux:n {#1}
          \__codepoint_to_bytes_aux:n { \int_div_truncate:nn {#1} { 64 } }

David Carlisle

@JosephWright you could probably lose the xml bit of the name, it's come a long way from xmltex:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle It's not my fault

@DavidCarlisle I've called it something sensible (probably there's a version in l3str-convert from BLF but I want one for the case-changing business so in l3kernel)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes but since an xml charref looks like   and that doesn't parse that the name seems suboptimal even if it's Chris's fault:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I dropped the bit where it didn't like anything below 00A0

%    Do not ask us to provide an explanation for the code below, it is
%    borrowed straight from \texttt{xmltex} by David and we trust him
%    totally (and we are too lazy to reread the Unicode book to see if
%    this is the correct algorithm).

Perhaps I'll keep that comment :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I've seen that before:-)

Joseph Wright

4:36 PM

@DavidCarlisle I hope the fact an expandable version can be in the 'right' order helps a bit

David Carlisle

@JosephWright but this is doing the utf8 decoding so just for pdftex?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes

@DavidCarlisle I have a feeling we might want the algorithm more generally

David Carlisle

@JosephWright and there was I thinking you only wanted to do a-z with pdftex:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I could just hard-code the relevant data but I'd rather not

@DavidCarlisle I've had a rethink

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes makes sense, although It always worried me that people were impressed that xmltex could parse xml (which was pretty trivial) when it spent most of its time (and my time coding it) messing around with utf8 character encoding/decoding:-)

Johannes_B

4:43 PM

@HenriMenke Good question :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I added some more words to ltnews24 but now its 1.5 pages so need to think of another column's worth of blurb or prune it a bit back to 1, do you want to expand any of your unicode text there?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle My feeling now is that we stick to 'only UTF-8' and for pdfTeX that means only T1 coverage, basically as you've done for inputenc

@DavidCarlisle I'll take a look

@DavidCarlisle Now I've understood how UTF-8 actually works it all looks doable

David Carlisle

@JosephWright utf8 looks complicated written out with calculations but the bit pattern diagram here makes it obvious :

UTF-8

UTF-8 is a character encoding capable of encoding all possible characters, or code points, in Unicode. The encoding is variable-length and uses 8-bit code units. It was designed for backward compatibility with ASCII, and to avoid the complications of endianness and byte order marks in the alternative UTF-16 and UTF-32 encodings. The name is derived from: Universal Coded Character Set + Transformation Format—8-bit. UTF-8 is the dominant character encoding for the World Wide Web, accounting for 85.1% of all Web pages in September 2015 (with the most popular East Asian encoding, GB 2312, at 1.0%...

hmph it doesn't follow the #description fragid when inlining the reference:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, like I say now I get how it works (and thus what will work for case changing)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes not so much for you but if you were documenting the code I'd use the bitpattern table there rather than describe in words what the heck it's doing:-)

Joseph Wright

4:50 PM

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle Plan is to adjust the code that reads UnicodeData.txt so it also runs with 8-bit engines, but only does anything when the code point is in a (hard-coded) list of ones that can be covered by T1. I'll then arrange to store the mappings as the appropriate active chars. So it will (currently) still be down to inputenc to actually pick the glyph.

Johannes_B

Wichtig ist, dass auf jeden Fall die Pakete inputenc und fontenc aus dem Dokument getilgt werden, da sie gänzlich inkompatibel mit den Maschinen XeLaTeX und LuaLaTeX sind. i wouldn't sign that.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright not sure I understand? so will you be able to do (say) inputenc UTF8 U+0123 \c{g} ? which doesn't correspond to a single character anywhere in T1?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle That's the plan

@DavidCarlisle If it can be produced in the output by t1enc.dfu then it's reasonable to cover it

@DavidCarlisle I'm not going to worry about \c{g} per se, I'm going to arrange to generate the correct byte sequence as active chars for inputenc to handle

David Carlisle

5:11 PM

@JosephWright oh OK I thought you meant you were restricted to the latin1 one character in font range, you are generating the utf8, Ok I see

@JosephWright what are your thoughts on that lua during format making use case? (just remembered I didn't get a reply confirming if that worked)

@Johannes_B not totally true but not totally false either.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Indeed. That's why the gänzlich (totally) is a bit heavy for my taste.

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B Done: texwelt.de/wissen/fragen/15780/wie-steige-ich-auf-xelualatex-um/… Any further suggestions?

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B it was true for inputenc until quite recently (2014 I think) when loading at all would scramble your document, then we made it do nothing if you specify utf8 on xelatex so it may have been true when written. (the story for fontenc is more complicated)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Reminder?

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Written half an hour ago :-)

David Carlisle

5:19 PM

@JosephWright tug.org/pipermail/luatex/2016-January/005598.html

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke just watching youtube.com/watch?v=L6KgQPAAVJk After that i'll check :-)

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B I assume it was written in English and the passed through google translate (you can't write all those long words by hand can you??) so I wouldn't worry too much about the finer distinctions in the adjectives.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle It was written by @HenriMenke as an How to switch to Xe/LuaLaTeX/ stock Q/A.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B :-) more seriously while there are technical quibbles in the truth of the statement (eg fontspec loads fontenc so fontenc is almost always loaded with luatex/xetex) as a user-level advice it's good, if you are targetting xelatex/lualatex and have inputenc or fontenc removing them is always a good idea (if you know enough to make them do anything not positively harmful then you don't need to be reading a guide)

Alan Munn

I think someone likes me and is doing some serial voting. Soon to be undone I suspect.

Henri Menke

5:35 PM

@Johannes_B I removed the kind of ridiculous examples from the question.

Alenanno

@AlanMunn Only if it reaches the threshold for a certain time range.

But I got some "voting bursts" lately too.

Like very old answers of mine.

Johannes_B

5:51 PM

@Alenanno @AlanMunn Got 6 upvotes this morning.

Within two minutes.

Alan Munn

@Johannes_B Yeah, looks like overexuberance to me. :)

Johannes_B

@AlanMunn :-)

Alenanno

@Johannes_B Well, no-one really knows the threshold and the time range, so for all we know, he could get more too.

Johannes_B

@Alenanno I guess 6 votes won't trigger the algorithm.

yo'

@Johannes_B they will, very likely. Basically, 3 votes are safe, but anything more than that can be treated as serial voting.

Johannes_B

6:06 PM

@yo' Oh, ok.

Alenanno

@yo' I got more and they haven't been revoked, the time range is also important.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Johannes_B Depends heavily on many other factors.

6 upvotes within two minutes has a 60% chance of getting caught.

Esp. if the user was serially targeted before.

Johannes_B

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. To be honest, i really don't care if it is revoked or not. I am here to answer some questions and talk in chat. Not to gain rep.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Johannes_B Not many people are here for rep. :)

yo'

@Alenanno sure. I just say that 3 is good, not that 4 is bad ;)

Alenanno

6:13 PM

@Johannes_B To be honest, I really care if it is revoked or not. I am here to gain rep. Not to answer some questions and talk in chat. ... oh wait. I meant... uh the opposite.

Johannes_B

@Alenanno Wow, you startled me. I thought What the duck?

yo'

@Alenanno helping people is ridiculous, but if need be...

Alenanno

@Johannes_B :D ahah

When I see a question with serious formatting and command mistakes:

Also this one lol

:D

Alan Munn

Any BibDesk users around?

Alenanno

@yo' :P

yo'

6:18 PM

@Alenanno The most important thing here is closing questions of course.

Alan Munn

@yo' Preferably as soon as possible and for the wrong reasons.

yo'

@AlanMunn We should close preferably questions that have not been posted yet.

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Johannes_B

@HenriMenke Saputello made a comment and linked to two other questions. Can you incorporate this into the answer? Would be great.

Alenanno

@Johannes_B Lol do you know what "saputello" means?

Johannes_B

@Alenanno Jep, name matches :-)

Alenanno

6:21 PM

@Johannes_B Matches to what?

Alan Munn

@yo' This is a certain unnamed user's dream.

Johannes_B

In another forum, the user is called Besserwisser.

yo'

@AlanMunn @percusse 's?

Alenanno

@Johannes_B Yes lol

Alan Munn

@yo' Yes, @percusse and I are perhaps the most virulent closers in the entire site. No, I have someone else in mind.

Johannes_B

6:22 PM

@Alenanno The user has quite a knowledge of Kernel stuff and of some package internals. So, often he has the last word :-)

yo'

@AlanMunn you're the guilty ones, I've always known that!

Alenanno

@Johannes_B I suppose his name is kind of tongue-in-cheek lol

Johannes_B

@AlanMunn Honestly, i would mark more questions as dupes, but the differences are often so little, that a (inexperienced) user cannot get the solution by looking at the proposed dupe. I would be happy if more newcomers would answer those questions.

@SeanAllred A picture on youtube attracted my attention. 10 minutes in, it is quite ok: youtube.com/watch?v=9ReKvo8x7uE

Alan Munn

@Johannes_B Yes, I agree. Also, there are some duplicates to questions from very early in the site's life where the accepted answers are not really very informative. Pointing people to those answers is not that helpful.

Johannes_B

@AlanMunn Fully agreed. Fully. There should be some improvements.

Sometimes, the accepted answer is just a oneliner of code.

Alan Munn

6:34 PM

@Johannes_B Or as we were talking about yesterday, Frank's answer about floats is not really a practical "how to" answer, and so shouldn't be the go to duplicate for floats questions IMO.

@Johannes_B I was looking for a question about not having numbers in macro names, and found this with the very unhelpful but accepted answer by @DavidCarlisle. :)

Johannes_B

@AlanMunn We have been talking about this earlier here in chat. I can't remember who participated. There is a more practical keep float close to where defined which should be cross linked.

Alan Munn

@Johannes_B Right. That's a better one to link to.

Johannes_B

@AlanMunn Might be helpful for some, but not very helpful for most users. @DavidCarlisle Can you maybe extend that answer a bit?

Yeah, i successfully answered a LyX question.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Is there a reason 01F4 is not in tlenc.dfu?

percusse

6:56 PM

@AlanMunn I hate questions. It shows their stupidity. I hope they all die. :)

egreg

@JosephWright It was in the list I proposed (but I admittedly forgot about 01F5) for utf8

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn the force was with me

@JosephWright incompetence, probably.

@egreg I should go through that list again ...

@Johannes_B no (there must be plenty of other answers explaining why numbers don't work so extending that doesn't really help), but it's a reference to a package that does something if people really want to do something.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle You don't have a possible dupe at hand, do you?

Alan Munn

@percusse :)

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B well mico's answer to the same question for example

Johannes_B

7:09 PM

@DavidCarlisle Oh, ok :-)

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B you can't blame me if the OP accepts the wrong answer.

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle I guess though it would be helpful to add a warning that this is not the best way to do things for most users and point to Mico's answer?

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle No :-) I never blame you for anything.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn feel free to add a comment under my answer:-)

Sean Allred

7:33 PM

@Johannes_B Mmmm do like :)

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B I'll do so later this evening.

Johannes_B

7:48 PM

@SeanAllred if you are interested in photography as well: youtube.com/watch?v=jC1KFoIMqGo

Henri Menke

9:18 PM

@Johannes_B I added “Verwandte Fragen” to each major point.

Johannes_B

@HenriMenke thank you

Henri Menke

@Johannes_B It seems as if nobody ever asked about font selection with unicode-math on TeXwelt.

cfr

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Q: How can I install newly created fonts?

I am using texlive2015 on Ubuntu 14.04. The distro is owned by root and I have to use sudo for such things as updmap. [I have another computer where I changed ownership to me, but the following problems are similar there.] I am using pdftex with dvi output, which I then convert to pdf via dvipdfm...

pdftex texlive dvi dvipdfmx installing-fonts

The map file shown there (created based on somebody's answer to another question) includes lines such as

ntx-Italic-tlf-ot1-5 TeXGyreTermes-Italic " 0.995 ExtendFont encntx-ot1-tlf ReEncodeFont " <ntx-ot1-tlf.enc <[ntx-ot1-tlf.enc <qtmri.pfb

What does the <ntx-ot1-tlf.enc <[ntx-ot1-tlf.enc do exactly? Why not just <[ntx-ot1-tlf.enc?

Henri Menke

9:42 PM

@Johannes_B I just added another paragraph on how to make a document compilable on all engines. I will also add some words of caution.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Any beamer gurus around?

Henri Menke

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Depends… What is the problem?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@HenriMenke I dunno why Adobe Reader XI doesn't display transitions.

And it might be since I'm a bit dense. I just can't get it to work in full screen.

Henri Menke

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Sorry, no idea either. I don't use Adobe Reader.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

@HenriMenke What do you use?

Henri Menke

10:09 PM

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I use Evince or mupdf, but both cannot render transitions. Only Adobe Reader can, because transitions rely on JavaScript.

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Do we have a question explaining clearly that just because something is a figure or a table it doesn't need to be in a {figure} or {table} environment? It's such a common misconception but we don't have such a question listed in the Often Referenced Questions list on Meta.

Christian Hupfer

@AlanMunn I am not @JosephWright, but I think the question will not make this clear -- rather the answer will do it.

Alan Munn

@ChristianHupfer :) Of course.

Christian Hupfer

@AlanMunn I made often comments about this, especially about using \captionof if a caption is wanted

Alan Munn

10:25 PM

@ChristianHupfer Right, we have numerous comments but no definitive Q/A that lays out the issue I think.

@ChristianHupfer And the discussions about keeping floats where you want them usually ends up presupposing that people know that they are floating in the first place. But for many use cases people don't need to float things but don't even realize that it's a possibility.

Christian Hupfer

@AlanMunn I've recently answered a question with this 'strip the figure' environment, but I am sure, I am not the only to have done this of course

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Argh I'm going crazy. :'(

:O It worked!

That feeling when you finally get some code to work . . . I wanna hug the world now.

Christian Hupfer

@AlanMunn You could ask an outstanding question and someone could answer it ... in an outstanding manner, of course ;-)

Alan Munn

10:40 PM

@ChristianHupfer Yes, I can also prepare both question and answer in advance... :)

Christian Hupfer

@AlanMunn :D Go ahead

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn I just received an email in last few minutes, it starts off....

numdef has been life savior for me for a while (Found it here) Thanks a lot for it

:-)

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle :D

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn First communication I've had about that package since I wrote it in 198-something :-)

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Does s/he say what the use case is? I can't think of one in which it would be necessary.

David Carlisle

10:51 PM

I just realised it claims to be available from FILESERV@SHSU.BITNET I guess that doesn't work anymore

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Wow! BITNET now there's a blast from the past.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn oh bug report of course (apparently it fails in listof figures) Not run it yet I thought I'd ping you first

@AlanMunn and I give a proper email address in JANET order with country first: carlisle@uk.ac.man.cs

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Hehe, so you're going to regret having written it.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn it's not even a bug (naturally:-) just fragile command in moving arguments need \protec

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Not surprising. And yes, I forgot that your code is bug free. :)

egreg

10:59 PM

@DavidCarlisle By the way, do you know what happened to George Greenwade?

David Carlisle

@egreg he vanished, I knew some rumours at the time which I won't spread further and I'm not sure they were right as they wouldn't have accounted for him vanishing this long.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I wasn't looking for rumors, of course. He had much to do with the birth of CTAN and was quite active. Then I saw nothing more about him. :(

Paulo Cereda

I am back, what did I miss?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda THE END

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle /sob

ROLL CREDITS

In other news, I am enjoying Lilypond a lot! :)

David Carlisle

11:23 PM

@PauloCereda so maybe you will use emacs and lilypond instead of vim and tex in your new post-end existence

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Nah. :)

@David: this PhD adventure on macros is dangerous enough. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Hard at work on the dissertation I see.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn It was a use case, I swear! For syntactic macros. :)

@Alan: then I found out something related to catamorphisms and category theory under the name of... banana algebra. I see people making fun of me. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Does it use banana brackets?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Holy cow, it does!

\llparenthesis, IIRC!

Alan Munn

11:26 PM

@PauloCereda Reminds me of joke: what's purple, and commutes?

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn abelian grape

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn ooh I know this one! It's about Abel!

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda Exactly!

Paulo Cereda

@Alan: also, Abel is the Brazilian name they gave to Rabbit, the rabbit bloke in Winnie the Pooh. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda why couldn't they call him Coelho ?

Paulo Cereda

11:28 PM

@DavidCarlisle The second, boring, version of the show did so. :) But I like Abel. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda by which I assume that my translation was as bug free as my code

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Your translation was perfect. :)

@David: by the way, @Alan speaks a better Portuguese than I do. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I suppose like myself he's a natural linguist.

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Si. Eu sabe quase tudo. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Eu sabo está mais errado. :)

@DavidCarlisle :)

David Carlisle

11:32 PM

@PauloCereda I soap is more wrong ????

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Nothing funnier than a joke depending on improper morphology to make Google translate flummoxed!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda sometimes even the most devout struggle to have faith ^^^^

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle We broke Google. :)

@AlanMunn LOL

@Alan: I once heard MP's hovercraft joke translated as aerobarco. It sounds so weird. :)

@David: I bought a book in the Brazilian branch of Amazon (surprisingly, a book by DEK on algorithms) and had some doubts with shipment. They decided to phone me, but they put a foreigner talking in bad Portuguese. I almost asked the bloke to speak English because I was unable to understand him. :)

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