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12:20 AM
@PauloCereda Seu aerobarco está cheio de enguias?
 
@egreg Exactly! :)
 
@PauloCereda Walter: “How do you say “parachute” in French?” Catherine: “Parachute”.
@PauloCereda What movie is that?
 
@egreg Papai Ganso! :)
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@egreg A classic. :)
 
12:24 AM
@PauloCereda Indeed! Cary Grant was awesome as always.
 
@egreg indeed!
Walter! I look awful in black.
:D
 
@PauloCereda tex.stackexchange.com/questions/287016/… "what am I doing wrong" is "using vim" the answer here?
 
@DavidCarlisle yes no. :)
 
1:23 AM
@DavidCarlisle I see the user came to his senses. Must be using emacs now, since he deleted the question.
 
 
7 hours later…
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8:03 AM
Soo sleepy here ....
 
8:13 AM
@yo' Soo sleepy here . . .
Yesterday I read so many TeX questions I vote-capped, hehe.
 
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@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. grats!
 
@HenriMenke The answer is now pretty scary i think.
 
9:00 AM
Hmm, it seems Adobe XI overrides the transition settings.
I can't get the transition I want unless I configure it with Adobe.
 
@Johannes_B are you sure they are the same person?
 
@Johannes_B Where is your template hammer? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/287051/…
 
@RomainPicot Saw it earlier, commented now.
 
@Johannes_B You don't have to read all of it. It is intended that the reader starts at the top and then consults the other paragraphs, e.g. “Mathematik” if applicable.
 
@HenriMenke I am not sure the current german university student is willing to think about consulting a special section of an answer. Unfortunately :-/
 
9:26 AM
@Johannes_B A german university student wrote this answer.
 
@HenriMenke Well, you are a helper. That is something different.
 
@Johannes_B If the answer is too short, it will spawn other questions and problems.
 
@HenriMenke Of course not every student can be characterized by my statement above. But the bulk of people seeking support seem to not even try anymore.
 
@Johannes_B Also, I just added an introductory line in the spirit of “How to read this answer”.
 
@HenriMenke Bite sized chunks. The VM answer is so long, nobody reads it all.
 
9:30 AM
@Johannes_B People not even trying is not exceptional to TeX/LaTeX :(
 
@HenriMenke Jep.
 
@Johannes_B If you want to have a fool-proof answer, we need a list of replacements, such as \usepackage{helvet}\setsansfont{TeX Gyre Heros}.
 
@HenriMenke No. That would be insane.
 
@Johannes_B And since there are currently 5028 packages on CTAN this will be a very long list.
 
9:46 AM
@Johannes_B How much do you charge for advertising? ;-)
 
@egreg A beer if we ever meet :-)
 
@Johannes_B Wow that's an @egreg answer.
 
@Johannes_B Deal!
 
@Johannes: Where in the world is Enrico Gregorio. :)
 
:-)
 
9:48 AM
Frankly, I didn't understand much of it.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Nah, it's not him. :)
 
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@PauloCereda what if he's not in the world?! :-O
 
@yo' ooh he's trapped inside some macro. :)
 
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@PauloCereda We might need the Wizard to save him! (Bday gift from TeX.SE: @egreg trapped in a macro...)
 
@PauloCereda Quack ! :-)
 
9:59 AM
@yo' :)
@RomainPicot Coin coin! :)
 
@yo' I trap macros. ;-)
 
@PauloCereda In the land of sqaures?
 
@Johannes_B Internet?
 
Good maen
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. No, i heard he is real.
 
10:11 AM
@Johannes_B Real is boring.
 
R.I.P. David Bowie :-(
 
@Johannes_B :)
@ChristianHupfer RIP
@egreg ooh :)
 
@ChristianHupfer Sad day.
 
@DavidCarlisle Case changing for UTF-8/pdfTeX here, need to extend tests and write some comments
@DavidCarlisle There there is LICR input to look at
 
10:34 AM
@Johannes_B @PauloCereda: Yes :-(
 
@mod comment section begin to be long and maybe needed to be moved in a chat room: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/287051/…
 
@RomainPicot I usually find commenting and asking them to bring it to chat more helpful than consulting the mod. Sometimes it gets the wrong message across.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Mod can move the comment in a chat room which enables to "follow" the discussion
 
@RomainPicot I know.
 
@JosephWright sounds good
 
11:04 AM
@RomainPicot A bunch of comments but nobody corrected the spelling ;-)
 
11:22 AM
2
Q: With the following preamble the identation works fine but there is no distance added between the footnote number and the footnote text

Guillaume Coatalen% XeLaTeX can use any Mac OS X font. See the setromanfont command below. % Input to XeLaTeX is full Unicode, so Unicode characters can be typed directly into the source. % The next lines tell TeXShop to typeset with xelatex, and to open and save the source with Unicode encoding. %!TEX TS-progra...

A riddle of what should happen. If anybody wants to answer, i gave up after five minutes.
@ChristianHupfer Bugged me too, and i wondered why nobody changes it. Usually, we have a typo squad in motion for those kind of edits.
 
@ChristianHupfer @Johannes_B I'm not a member of the typo squad except. Most of the time I do not see any error since I read to fast
 
@RomainPicot Apparently I am member of the typo squad -- either I remove them or I introduce them :D
 
There's an Asymptote question I'd like to answer, but I don't know anything about it.
@AlanMunn I was about to say that. smirks
 
11:39 AM
@Alenanno Do you have a link to the Asymptote question?
 
@HenriMenke No! It's mine! NO! T_T
... Ok
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Q: Illustrating Stokes theorem with asymptote

cjorssenI want to use asymptote to illustrate Stokes theorem as in the following figure. Here is what I've done so far. import three; size(6cm,0); path path2D = (1, 0) .. (2, 1) .. (0, 2) .. (-2.25, 1) .. (-1.5, 0) .. (-1, -1) .. (0, -1.75) .. (1, -2) .. cycle; path3 path3D = path3(path2D, XYplane)...

:D
@HenriMenke Have fun!
 
@Alenanno Charles Staats will steal the tick anyways. He has mad Asymptote skills.
 
@HenriMenke Never seen that nickname...
 
@Alenanno His answers are really great.
 
@HenriMenke Is Asymptote more versatile than Pgfplots?
@HenriMenke Make it quick though, there's a +250 bounty. :D
@HenriMenke Are you already writing the answer?
 
11:44 AM
@Alenanno Asymptote is definitely more versatile than pgfplots but requires an external program.
 
@HenriMenke Yeah I noticed that. I was trying to understand how to run the code and yeah...
 
@Alenanno You are a funny guy. I once made an Asymptote answer, which was more like poking around.
 
@HenriMenke I think I remember that instance
 
@Alenanno asy file.asy. This will create file.eps.
 
@HenriMenke Ah from Terminal?
 
11:46 AM
@Alenanno Yes, from the terminal. You could add settings.outformat="pdf"; to obtain a pdf.
 
Interesting. I'll try when I have some time. :D
 
@Alenanno or we could write an arara rule for that. :)
 
@PauloCereda Hello Duck
 
@PauloCereda Do we have an arara rule for making a MWE too? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer lol
You should have bolded rule.
 
11:50 AM
@Alenanno I will rule you :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer For now, I'm the ruler here. :P Muahahahah /evil laugh
 
@Alenanno I don't believe you, sir ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Are you sure? mwahahah. >:D ...By the way, what do you think of Berlin as a city? If you've been there.
 
@Alenanno I have been there in 2001 for the last time. I didn't like it. Berlin is awful, in my point of view
 
@Alenanno Lots of buildings including that big pointy thing and many people. Nothing very interesting. Like any other city.
 
11:57 AM
I don't know, I like it lol
 
making a MWE....
@DavidCarlisle I have reduced my code, but the \chapter command code are just like this. What I can do is to replace some string command to plain string. — Svandex 1 hour ago
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@DavidCarlisle As in, type the chapter title/style manually?
 
@ChristianHupfer Hallo!
@ChristianHupfer I can write one!
 
@Alenanno I have no idea:-) I'd ignore the question except he keeps pinging me every time it's edited
 
@DavidCarlisle He values your contribution :P
 
12:16 PM
@Johannes_B Ah, thank you. I will try to debug it and edit the problem latter. — Svandex 4 mins ago
Awesome Jeopardy music while waiting for a hopefully good MWE.
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle I think you can make it clear you don't want to be disturbed. Once you know he's read that comment, delete all your comments ;-)
@RomainPicot Are you around, pretty please? I've got an urgent French question...
 
@yo' Oh what question? :D
 
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@Alenanno What is Nombre de volumes supposed to mean in a form related to the thesis defense
 
@yo' It sounds like Spanish. :)
 
@ChristianHupfer you like tocs and counters, right?
 
yo'
12:23 PM
@PauloCereda may be. I'm just completely unsure what is that supposed to mean
 
@yo' Name of volumes
 
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@PauloCereda NAME?
 
@yo' Yep. :)
 
@yo' number of volumes
Nombre = number (in french)
 
yo'
I mean, the literal translation is "number of volumes", but what does that mean? How many times I'm gonna print the thesis?
 
12:24 PM
@yo' No, I think how many volumes it consists of? (Some theses are pretty big.)
@PauloCereda Dude, don't confuse him lol
 
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@Alenanno ok, that's "1"
 
@yo' Nombre is name, almost sure!
 
@PauloCereda In spanish! Not french
 
yo'
@PauloCereda this is not funny (sorry, I'm not in the mood just now)
 
@Alenanno Ah I didn't know it was a valid French sentence. Sorry.
@yo' Sorry, I thought it was a Spanish sentence.
 
12:25 PM
@PauloCereda No worries! :D
 
yo'
@PauloCereda no, it's French, and yes, it is a valid French statement...
 
I will be quiet now, sorry for the noise.
 
@PauloCereda In Spanish it's Volumen - Volúmenes
@yo' Does the form tell you any more info? Like, are you supposed to specify it if it's only "one volume"?
 
yo'
@PauloCereda don't worry, sorry for being a bit strict, but this is really enerving me. I should have sent the printed thesis to the office by today. The office is there and I'm here.
 
@yo' Can you call someone on the phone that works there and knows about it?
 
yo'
12:32 PM
@Alenanno it's there with 2 other fields:
5. INDICATIONS BIBLIOGRAPHIQUES :

Nombre de volumes :  1    Nombre total de pages :  88   
Nombre de références bibliographiques :  95   
So I suppose 1 is really the correct answer.
 
@yo' Yeah, leave 1. It's one volume after all. :D
 
yo'
(I don't know why but French bureaucracy always seems like a PC adventure: You have to guess the correct answer to advance to the next room.)
 
@yo' eheh, but why french if you're Czech? If I may ask.
 
yo'
@Alenanno co-tutelle (double PhD)
 
@yo' Got it. Well, I'd put 1. Certainly you don't have 2 volumes. Or 0.
 
yo'
12:34 PM
@Alenanno I could leave it empty you know...
(I've done that will many obligatory fields in French forms, and most times it went through)
 
@yo' That would work too. It's your call. :D If there is a problem, they would contact you, no?
 
yo'
@Alenanno who knows...
I put 1 and cross fingers ;-)
Thanks for your help
 
@yo' No problem!
Let me know if it goes well.
 
@Johannes_B Yes, why?
 
yo'
12:41 PM
@Alenanno my supervisor prints it all just now; it should be fine.
 
@yo' Good :D
 
@yo' It seems that the amount of published version of your thesis so 1 yes.
@yo' Was eating with colleagues so sorry for late answer
 
@RomainPicot Salut :P
 
@Alenanno bonjour :-)
 
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@RomainPicot no worries, thanks anyway!
(and a recommendation to you: make a list of all deadlines related to all things related to your thesis) You can save all these troubles I drown in ;-)
 
12:43 PM
@RomainPicot Hi, hola, ciao, привет, こんにちは, γεια :D
@yo' Eheh yeah I'll keep that in mind.
Off to lunch. Later y'all!
 
yo'
@Alenanno You missed Ahoj and Čau :)
@Alenanno It's 2pm, I should go too
I should've been at a meeting just now, but this was more important.
 
@yo' french bureaucracy :-/
 
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@RomainPicot well, just a bit worse than elsewhere...
One thing is: it's simple for me here in Prague; I come to the office and easily, in a friendly manner, in a clear language, discuss all the steps. I can't do that in French, moreover, I'm simply not there...
 
@yo' I'm Frecnh and fluent in French and have trouble when I have to do some bureaucracy because people may not want to help you and the useless paper they ask is important even if they throw it 5 minutes later ...
 
yo'
@RomainPicot yeah, one thing is true: Maybe the administrative staff is nicer to me because I'm a foreigner willing to speak French and willing to say bonjour and au revoir nicely :)
 
12:50 PM
@yo' I say "bonjour" et "au revoir" you know :P
 
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@RomainPicot I know, but for them, you're just another annoying young gentleman who knows things better than they do. While I am the poor lost foreigner...
 
@Johannes_B Not so easy, since the page counter is an unfriendly fellow ;-)
 
@yo' must be true
 
@ChristianHupfer That's why i pinged an expert. :-)
@ChristianHupfer Honestly, who comes up with something like that?
 
@Johannes_B Not the best idea, in fact. It may be possible with cntperchap (A strange package, I've heard ;-)) but it's still the page counter
 
12:56 PM
@Johannes_B You need to \write the page number, not \immediate\write.
 
@HenriMenke You still need to compare the differences
 
@HenriMenke You can answer the question as well :-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes, but you definitely want to have the page number at shipout and not immediately.
 
@HenriMenke Yes, of course -- I should do a redefinition of cntperchap with expl3 -- the page counter was troubling me (not only because of \immediate`)
 
@yo' well I wouldn't mind being pinged if the question was edited to be answerable
 
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1:03 PM
@ChristianHupfer but that should work; and I think another option is using zref and alike, one of these packages surely have a "pagerangecount" macro ;-)
 
@PauloCereda is there any difference?
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh there is one! You cannot have a taco with a baguette. :)
 
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@RomainPicot DOH! ... from my supervisor: "I just saw the office. In fact, nothing has to be done now. The document is not necessary at all, and you can give the 2 copies of the thesis to the library after the soutenance."
 
@yo' But I'm not studying/fluent in those languages :P Although I did start Czech once :P
Jak se mas? :P
 
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@Alenanno Dobre, diky! :)
 
1:08 PM
@PauloCereda I thought they were both just latin, really.
 
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(btw: máš, and I should have written dobře and díky)
 
@yo' yeah I know :P
@DavidCarlisle Yes there is. "Volume" is not a spanish word :P
 
@yo' asked for a paper that you provide: "But we don't need it"...
 
@yo' LOOOL So you didn't have to compile it?
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
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1:10 PM
@RomainPicot exactly. Only 1 year of the 4 I studied in Paris, I needed a document called E104, the other years, everything went well without it.
 
God, I hate bureaucracy.
 
@PauloCereda It's a good job I have a reliable source to go to for language issues.
 
@yo' This kind of stuff does not surprise me anymore :/
 
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@RomainPicot :D
Ok, time to have a nice kebab, without any worries, and then go to my other office to sort out something. Thanks and see you later!
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
1:15 PM
@PauloCereda otherwise how would I understand Portuguese jokes about soap?
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
@DavidCarlisle: The verb was saber (know), but it is said to be irregular, so the default conjugation rule does not apply (like eu como - I eat - for comer - eat). If you apply the normal rule, you get eu sabo instead of eu sei. And Google thought you misspelled the word sabão, which is soap. Sabo is not a valid word in Portuguese. :)
 
@PauloCereda as far as I remember from French, the language only consisted of irregular verbs, what's the point of learning a rule if they only ever test you on things that don't follow it?
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh we have regular verbs too. :) To be honest, I believe irregular verbs do not exist, what we have is people lazy enough to ignore all the patterns, so they prefer to put some verbs in other categories. :)
@AlanMunn will kill me with a spoon after I said this. ^^ :)
 
@DavidCarlisle no you don't have only irregular verbs. You have three main groups of verb: all that end with -er; end with -ir and the other
@DavidCarlisle in the first and second groups they are no irregular verbs :-)
 
Apr 29 '14 at 8:59, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda Never learn grammar from an Englishman.
 
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1:26 PM
@RomainPicot the 2nd group is strange. I've always considered 1st group to be regular, and all the rest irregular, and I've been much happier ever since. Even in the 1st group, you've got exceptions with verbs ending in -cer etc.
 
@yo' 1st and 2nd are regular but some verbs that should fit in one of them may be in the 3rd because it is irregular, "aller" is the most famous I think
 
@RomainPicot yes but as I say I don't ever recall being tested on those:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle The most important is to be understood ;-)
 
I turn away for a few moments and you guys talk about languages? Come on! :P
@DavidCarlisle I know, but don't tell the others about me! :D
 
1:48 PM
@JosephWright I have the strange feeling i know the OP latex-community.org/forum/…
 
6
Q: How do I color in two different colors one square function?

Denis Muratovic I need to color every other line of this same function in orange and make it dashed, but this is only one square function, so can anyone help me?

@Johannes_B Do you think he's the same?
 
@Alenanno I did not know this question. Yes, i bet this is the same person.
Or, there really is a class in poland and five different people are stuck with the same homework.
Or Bosnia/Herzegovina
 
@Johannes_B Ahah that would be quite hysterical. :D
 
2:12 PM
@Alenanno You did notice the multiplexer question a dew days back, right?
 
@Johannes_B Mmmh I don't think so? Which one is it?
 
@Alenanno You edited the last one, sure you remember :-)
 
@Johannes_B Ah yes
I did notice that one lol
 
@Johannes_B Whoa lol
:D
 
2:21 PM
@Alenanno Think about it, the question here does not show the orange lines, and shows code. The q on LC shows the final result and asks for reproduction. The one question from a few days ago showed some effort and provided a good example, while the other accounts never gave feedback. I guess @JosephWright and @StefanKottwitz are the only ones who can tell reliably.
 
@Johannes_B That is indeed odd. I don't know what is going on :D
 
@JosephWright $ svn commit -m "add 01CD-01F4" utf8ienc.dtx :-)
 
@Alenanno The original post on LC stated, that this is homework.
 
@DavidCarlisle Saw that
 
@JosephWright yes I know but I replied here as well in case anyone was following along:-)
 
2:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle More entries for me to add to the case changer too: will do that later on (I have working code here but needs comments, proper ordering, etc.)
 
@JosephWright There I avoided double accents and paired characters and reversed characters and anything else that isn't a single base letter and an accent (perhaps constructed with ooalign rather than \accent)
 
@Johannes_B Then you're right, it's maybe multiple people asking for the same assignment.
 
@Alenanno I wonder if the teacher is following here :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Looks OK to me: should give us good coverage for Europe both in terms of T1/UTF-8 and for case changing :-)
 
@Johannes_B Can you imagine if the user I answered to is the teacher?
lol
 
2:38 PM
@RomainPicot No I gave up on that as a goal quite early, the aim was to get through the course:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle A valid solution for sure :-)
 
2:54 PM
@PauloCereda Irregular verbs persist to maintain the power power structure of the society: it takes time and effort and education to learn them and they're good markers of social status.
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@PauloCereda Uh what? They obviously exist.
 
@AlanMunn :)
@Alenanno To me, they don't. :) It is just another pattern. :)
 
@PauloCereda But it's not a matter of opinion lol
Also, saying it's "another pattern" can work (theoretically) in some languages, but not for all.
 
@Alenanno Your next sentence just invalidated this one. :)
 
@PauloCereda Not really. :P What I'm saying is that the category exists.
 
3:07 PM
@Alenanno Yep. :) And I don't believe in this classification. :)
 
@PauloCereda But for there to be a pattern, all verbs in the irregular category should be identical to each other. That's not true in English for example.
They are irregular, and some are similar to some, but not all.
While regular verbs are all the same.
 
@Alenanno Another reason for them to not be together. If they don't relate, why are they grouped into one big category? :)
My point is, to some extent, the classification is arbitrary at the end of the day. :)
 
@PauloCereda Because they don't fit/use the regular structure?
Well, no verb is "inherently irregular". It's deemed irregular because it doesn't follow the regular conjugations.
 
@Alenanno So we are justifying the irregular classification by saying they don't fit into the regular structure which was questionable in the first place. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm not justifying anything lol... Why is the regular structure questionable? Do you doubt its existence too?
 
3:12 PM
Don't bother with me, I am just a stupid duck who does not understand linguistics. :)
 
@PauloCereda Ducks are smart :P
 
@Alenanno What's regular to you? :)
For me, it's type 3 in Chomsky. :)
(Type 3? It's been a while)
@Alenanno: I told you I am stupid. :)
 
@PauloCereda lol your smile at the end of each post is disturbing though :P
 
@Alenanno Sorry, no intention of causing this feeling. But do not take this conversation seriously, the smiley is just to tell I am just expressing my (dumb) humble views.
 
Small parenthesis: do you guys this question is a duplicate of the one I linked in the comments?
@PauloCereda :D no worries lol
 
3:17 PM
@Alenanno: for example, @AlanMunn can come here and simply kill my dreams and hopes with his linguistic hammer. :)
@Alenanno: I am studying some wacky subjects at the moment, so I am a bit dumber than usual. :)
 
@PauloCereda I would never be able to kill your dreams, Paulo.
 
@AlanMunn Because he's a duck?
 
@Alenanno no since the user do not want a string match but an element match
 
@AlanMunn awww <3
 
@RomainPicot Mh what would an "element" be? I think he meant "text", but he's very vague.
 
3:20 PM
@Alenanno Alan might need a bigger hammer. :)
It's not duck season, it's wabbit season!
 
@Alenanno Nope, because he's an irrepressible optimist.
 
@AlanMunn oh you. <3
 
@Alenanno element1,element2,element3. Every "element" are comma separated
 
@JosephWright \outer :(
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
3:23 PM
@Alenanno BTW, I agree with him about irregular verbs as a category. Of course there's a descriptive category which roughly corresponds to the complement set of the regular verbs, but it's purely descriptive. It's not particularly coherent as a category.
 
@RomainPicot The xstring answer has comma separated items as well. :P
@AlanMunn I also agree it's a category, I was disputing the concept that it doesn't exist. :P
 
@Alenanno it's not the same for me ^^. But I may be wrong
 
hi everyone, do you know of a circular tree example (similar to bl.ocks.org/syntagmatic/4092944) for tikz?
 
@ForkrulAssail No, but it wouldn't be hard to create on-purpose.
 
@Alenanno I was looking at trespass-project.eu/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/… more specifically, but couldn't find source for circular tree generation (only generic attack trees).
I'll poke around in tikz some.
 
3:49 PM
Looks like the second answer in tex.stackexchange.com/questions/160918/… will be a good starting point for me.
 
As predicted. :)
 
@AlanMunn Mine wasn't reversed. And shortly after the day change, i got another 6 upvotes tonight.
 
@AlanMunn I am well-behaved. :)
 
4:04 PM
@PauloCereda I have a feeling it's the guy whose .bst file I've been customizing comment by comment...
 
@AlanMunn ah
 
@PauloCereda Pretty soon the answer will automatically become community wiki. :)
 
@AlanMunn Whoa.
 
@WillRobertson one for you:-) vvvv
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A: With the package metalogo and XeLaTeX, error occurs when typing two dots above the letter

David CarlisleIt's unrelated to metalogo other than metalogo uses fontspec (and fontspec uses latin modern) if xetex is being used This also produces the over-printing accents of xelatex is used. \documentclass{article} \makeatletter \ifx\XeTeXuseglyphmetrics\undefined\else \usepackage{fontspec} \fi \begin{...

 
How do I compose characters in xetex/luatex?
\ifdefined\directlua
  \input luaotfload.sty
\fi
\def\"#1{#1^^^^0308}
\font\1="Latin Modern Roman"
\1
\"a \"b \"c \"d \"e \"f \par
\"A \"B \"C \"D \"E \"F
\bye
The output of this is really odd.
 
4:16 PM
@HenriMenke see my comment above:-)
 
XeTeX seems to perform slightly better than LuaTeX.
 
@DavidCarlisle Not sure if it's a macro-level issue
 
@JosephWright yes looks like font issue to me but @WillRobertson is the face of Unicode fonts in LaTeX so he gets the ping:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Though presumably \"A should map to Ä ...
 
@JosephWright Definitely not a macro-level problem.
 
4:19 PM
@JosephWright possibly but that means doing NFC normalisation by hand, it ought presumably work just to use A and the combining accent and let the font machinery deal with it.
 
@DavidCarlisle Checked: it does do the 'right thing' for Ä:-)
@DavidCarlisle Also should work, of course
 
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Seems to be partly a font problem.
 
@DavidCarlisle As you see from my code, some fonts work well.
 
@HenriMenke Agreed
 
@JosephWright A^^^^0308 is normalized to Ä (in XeTeX)
 
4:24 PM
Can anyone try with the XeTeX harfbuzz version?
Or is this already default for XeTeX?
 
@egreg You sure?
\font\test="[lmroman10-regular]"
\test
\tracingall A^^^^0308\bye
From the log
{into \tracingassigns=2}
{the letter A}
{horizontal mode: the letter A}
Gets normalised in the box output but not as far as the macro level is concerned
 
@JosephWright \setbox0=\hbox{A^^^^0308}\showbox0 gives
> \box0=
\hbox(7.54+0.01999)x6.95
.\testA Ä
 
@egreg Yes, but that's at the box level
 
@HenriMenke default
 
@JosephWright Which is what affects the output.
 
4:28 PM
@egreg Yes, but what about in say a \csname
@egreg My point is that it's not fully normalised by the engine so really has to be by the macro level
@egreg I'm of course thinking about other things that the PDF output :-)
 
@JosephWright Normalization can only happen when making the box.
 
@egreg Indeed, so you still need say \" to do a lookup and turn a following A into Ä if you want it to work in contexts beyond typesetting
 
@JosephWright Unless you modify completely the tokenization step.
 
Like case changing ...
 
@JosephWright Case changing on A^^^^0308 will give a^^^^0308
 
4:31 PM
@egreg Yes but it won't be equivalent to ä in a csname, which is what I'm thinking about
 
@JosephWright Of course not. But if the normalization step is not carried out at tokenization…
 
@egreg Indeed
@egreg Easier in LuaTeX
 
@JosephWright And it can't be, because fonts could not have the precomposed glyph.
 
@egreg seems unlikely that fonts wouldn't support NFC form with precomposed characters if they contain the relevant base glyphs isn't it? the advice on the web for example is to always normalise all files to NFC
 
@egreg: David broke TeX again. :)
 
4:38 PM
@JosephWright didn't I read somewhere that context uses an input filter that does NFC normalisation?
 
@DavidCarlisle Ask Arthur to do it. But the bug in rendering should be tackled anyway.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, that would be from a mail or commit message from me
 
@egreg not saying it should be done just commenting on your comment that it can't be done:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Caused some 'fun' with compatibility chars, though the new approach to case changing avoids the issue
@egreg Certainly: I was off at something of a tangent
 
@JosephWright: in other news, I got 700 teensies too. :)
 
4:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle I didn't track down the Lua code for this, BTW, I just worked around it
@PauloCereda Cool: final level?
 
@JosephWright yep, the mamma of all nightmares was the final one (I did Origins last). :)
 
@PauloCereda Ah
 
@JosephWright The other side is the 8-bit versions. :)
@Joseph: I beat it in Wii U, I now need to redo it in XONE. :)
 
@PauloCereda The 8-bit ones are somewhat odd: I got very fed up with Orchestral Chaos (what's the idea, give people seizures?)
 
@JosephWright Pretty much, but Granny's world tour is far worse. :)
 
4:46 PM
@PauloCereda That ones' quite easy
 
@JosephWright To be honest, I had more problems with Orchestral Chaos. :)
@Joseph: I played the entire game with Olympia. Don't like Rayman or the other blokes. :)
@Joseph: have you heard about Magicka?
It seems like an interesting game.
@Joseph: do you use Steam in your Mac?
 
@PauloCereda I've got it (or I had it) on the Parallels machine
@PauloCereda As I've got an i7 the lack of a graphics card is not as bad as it otherwise would be
 
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