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12:33 AM
@Caramdir Congratulations!!!
@egreg: Amazing answer! I wish I could upvote more than one time: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/28581/…
@PauloCereda Thanks. I've been at a meeting of basketball referee instructors (which I am) and coming back home I found this nice question. I checked it a couple of times: at 2am it's easy to do mistakes.
@egreg Nice! But you also play basketball, don't you? :-)
@PauloCereda I played so many years ago! Since the age of 17 I've been a referee, but 20 years ago I had to give up because of an Achilles tendon that refused to work any more. :( I was already an instructor, at the time, so I continued with this job.
Now it's bed time.
@egreg You need to teach me someday. :-)
@egreg Good night!
@egreg I stopped playing soccer because of injuries (the worst was when I broke my elbow). Now I use to jog/run everyday and sometimes I play bow and arrow. At least, it's a physical activity. =) I need to buy a new bicycle, so I will go mountain biking again.
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7:29 AM
@Raphink: Re http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/28640/multiple-documents-from-a-single-dtx :
You would have to use, say,

English text
French text

for every paragraph. This verbosity can quickly become demotivative.
7:43 AM
@AndreyVihrov I've done that in the past in other formats (CMS for example). It's a bit heavy, but it ensures that boths docs are nearly identical
say, it prevents disparity
7:54 AM
If I needed that I would try to program a syntax like

English text
French text
More english

(So that each of the macros conditionally includes text, and `\end` terminates conditional inclusion.)
That looks like ConTeXt
8:13 AM
I wonder why
A: Showcase of beautiful typography done in LaTeX?

RaphinkLately, I've begun working on duplicating a 16th century French Bible with XeTeX: https://github.com/raphink/geneve_1564

gets nice comments but no upvote :S
Not that it really matters since it's a community wiki question though
@Raphink: Most likely because of the "long tail" phenomenon -- in open-ended questions on SE sites, the answers beyond the first say 4 or 5 receive disproportionally less upvotes -- especially if they are on the second page, or are preceded by long answers
@MartinTapankov I'm not wondering why people don't get down to read it, but rather why it got recent positive comments with no upvotes.
@Raphink: "Late to the party"? The question is one year old, and if a lot of people are like me, I don't check these large community wikis for updates or new posts as I'd do to other "answearable" questions
@MartinTapankov: right. Again, that's not what I mean ;-) There were 3 comments to this answer yesterday, and no upvote.
Ahh I see what you mean
8:48 AM
I think that on such a question, I would only vote for an answer if I had actually gone to the document, looked at it, and agreed that it should be taken as a suitable "showcase". But I might leave a comment if I thought that the idea was a good one, or - as in that answer - if the sample looked encouraging. In other words, normally I view votes as cheap, but on "big list" questions then the votes become more important and so I am a bit more stingey.
ah, interesting @AndrewStacey
9:48 AM
Just only 2^8 rep for @AndrewStacey to hit 20k!
I'm quite far still :'(
no trusted pony for me
I'm very far too. =)
My estimate is to reach 20k in 2025.
ah, that's not bad
at my pace, I should reach it by... the end of 2013
unless I spend it all in bounties
or I switch to another sx site, like I did for SF :-)
10:06 AM
That \end{document} answer is now my highest voted answer.
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1:06 PM
@MartinScharrer Yes, I was notified - and it wasn't that easy to reply to your message (had to "load older messages" quite a few times). I was away for a few days.
1:26 PM
@PauloCereda Can't do it today (unless I get a bounty or lots of "accepted"s) but I'm within shouting distance! Anyone got a good TikZ question I can work on?
1:51 PM
OMG another bounty!
a tiny one :-)
stackoverflow has 240 bounties
and serverfault has 10 of them
so 5 is a reasonable number
2:04 PM
@HendrikVogt Yes, that happened to me too once.
2:25 PM
Why do all my code samples always have ducks in the definition?
2:40 PM
@PauloCereda Ducks?
I now bugs, but ducks?
@MartinScharrer hehe third line: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/28670/…
@MartinScharrer I hope ducks eat bugs so they will somehow save my code.
2:54 PM
since it is said that there is one bug for 1000 lines of code, a colleague of mine suggested that all programs should be at most 999 lines.
3:25 PM
@Raphink That's like the old joke: "One in 4 babies born in the world today is Chinese. Mrs. Smith, who is expecting her fourth child, is convinced it will be Chinese."
haha :-)
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4:42 PM
@patrick I added an edit to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/27588/… about maybe just decting homeographies without attempting to fix them.
5:05 PM
@AlanMunn @PauloCereda deezer.com/music/playlist/63871739
@Raphink "Deezer's music services are not yet available in your country." (Not sure I want YASN (yet another social network) anyway...)
@Raphink noooooooooo! "Deezer's music services are not yet available in your country. "
Oh Alan got one too.
that's a shame
5:07 PM
what country are you in @AlanMunn?
@PauloCereda you're in Brazil right?
Same here, whatever this Deezer means
@Raphink Yes!
I thought deezer was available quite largely
do you have an equivalent in your countries?
like, does spotify work?
Hm spotify works.
5:14 PM
@Raphink USA
Hmmm, can't login with spotify and the beta linux client...
We could create a TeX playlist.
same playlist, just on spotify
deezer is kind of the European spotify
ouch, I spoke too soon...
"Why is Spotify not available in my country?"
5:28 PM
What if I climb a very high tree? I wouldn't be technically in Brazil. =P
@AlanMunn Spotify works in the US, right?
otherwise, with whatever streaming music service you have access to (if ever), you can try to find "la notte by vivaldi, interpreted by il giardino armonico"
that works, too :-)
There's a Danish pianist that I love: Victor Borge. Sadly he passed away in 2000.
for some reason I couldn't find it before on youtube
5:39 PM
@Raphink Isn't spotify European (Swedish to be exact)? As far as I know it has only been available in the US for a short time.
ah, then maybe both are european
this is probably very well know by most of you
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8:07 PM
@Caramdir Yep, Spotify is Swedish. I've been a happy user for a couple of years here in Norway. (They launched early here.)
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9:16 PM
Should be closed as "too localized":
Q: biblatex-apa error

ravl1084This is my preamble \documentclass[man,nobf,noapacite]{apa} \usepackage[margin=1in]{geometry} \usepackage[american]{babel} \usepackage{csquotes} \usepackage[style=apa]{biblatex} \DeclareLanguageMapping{american}{american-apa} \bibliography{libros} %\usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc} \usepackage[T1]{fo...

@lockstep I agree
9:38 PM
@lockstep I agree, too.
Should we give our credit card info to a trusted user? After all, they are trusted users!
Question: Is mhp's comment ("replace 10 000\relax with \@M") to my answer to this question correct?
Q: ragged2e: "newcommands" option produces "underfull \hbox" warnings

lockstepThe ragged2e package provides the commands \Centering, \RaggedRight and \RaggedLeft for setting ragged text while allowing hyphenation. The packages offers a newcommands option that sets the standard LaTeX commands \centering, \raggedright and \raggedleft equal to their ragged2e counterparts. How...

@PauloCereda I'm a trusted user, you can safely give it to me.
@PauloCereda: Yes, you should. You must give me your credit card.
@lockstep It's sufficient to put a space after 10000; that space will be ignored, by the syntax rules of TeX.
9:45 PM
@lockstep try \showthe\@M to find out whether that's really 10000. Apart from that, yes, there is no need for \relax after registers defined with \countdef, \dimendef, etc, or the equivalent LaTeX macros \newcount, \newdimen, etc. Actually, \@M might be defined with a \mathchardef, but anyways, it is "self-terminating".
@egreg, @GonzaloMedina: hmm seems legit to me. :-)
Using \@M is equally safe, because it's defined with \mathchardef and so is not expandable.
Not using \@M or a terminating space or \relax will produce unexpected results if the text after the declaration begins with a digit.
True story: I do have a book with 23 indices.
one per key
@egreg @BrunoLeFloch Thanks, I have edited my answer.
9:52 PM
Tiens, salut @mvy
Oh @Raphink! Salut :P
@PauloCereda The imakeidx package supports any number of indices (with the splitindex option).
@egreg I saw this today and I had to leave a comment about imakeidx :-)
@egreg I'm considering about the use of imakeidx instead of splitidx for a long time. Perhaps it's time for a change.
imakeidx is great, I can testify :-)
9:55 PM
@PauloCereda: a more radical change: don't write any indices!
@GonzaloMedina hehe I wish. I really need them. :-)
One of those indices. :-)
oh I see
@PauloCereda have you used bibleref, too?
@PauloCereda Actually imakeidx uses the splitindex program (and with -shell-escape it can process indices automatically. But it's much more flexible than splitindex (the package); it's also compatible with lockstep's idxlayout for fine tuning the index aspect.
@Raphink oh, I don't know it. Is it nice to use?
@PauloCereda: what do the filled/not-filled circle patterns mean?
10:02 PM
yes, very nice
@egreg Actually, you don't need idxlayout anymore for some easy modifications (e.g. 3 instead of 2 columns).
@egreg Really?! I'll give it try, that's very nice to know!
all the Bible references and the index p.145 are made with bibleref (and imakeidx)
This one r.pinson.free.fr/calvary/pdf/sagesse_cs.pdf has a bigger index created the same way
@lockstep Yes, I know: our package supports also one column indices. But for other aspects yours is still very useful.
@lockstep Did you try {\Centering A title\par}?
10:06 PM
@egreg I'm about to. ;-)
@GonzaloMedina the five circles represent the five liturgical times: Advent, Christmas, Ordinary Time, Lent and Easter (sorry, I'm not sure if they are correct in English). So if a song is suitable for, say, Ordinary Time and Lent, the 3rd and 4th circles will be filled. :-)
@PauloCereda: Thanks. (As a bonus, now I know that there are five liturgical times.)
@lockstep No, of course it "works", because ragged2e also sets \spaceskip without a stretching component.
@egreg I did, and I also tried \title{A title}\maketitle. No abnormally stretched spaces (at least not between "A" and "title").
@Raphink Great! I'll give it a try, they look pretty nice.
10:09 PM
My code is on github for the settings
@egreg Okay -- so the newcommands option plus my tweaks are a sound idea after all.
@GonzaloMedina :-) That was the only way I found to index songs also by liturgical time and not pollute the book. Otherwise, I'd have... 115 indices.
@PauloCereda See also the bibleref-french package for a template of how to localize bibleref (so you can make a brazilian portuguese version)
@egreg: I suggest to delete our comments to my answer.
@lockstep I'm still not fully convinced. But you have a point.
@lockstep Done.
10:12 PM
@Raphink Sure. Watching your repository now.
@egreg This reminds my of my answer about KOMA-Script vs. memoir: It seems the best solution for index creation would be a combination of Markus Kohm's splitindex program, the shell-escape magic of your imakeidx package plus some of my idxlayout goodies.
@PauloCereda You might want to watch github.com/organizations/bibleref-french instead
Does English have another word for palindrome? In Spanish we have "palíndromo" and "capicúa".
@GonzaloMedina you can say "The thing Spanish-speakers also call 'capicúa'."
It's not very common, though.
@Raphink But that's not a word.
10:21 PM
You're right, indeed.
you'd have to replace spaces with dashes, maybe.
@egreg: you also make an appearance in my book:
(your code is awesome!)
@PauloCereda you're writing in Italian?
@Raphink TBH, in 6 languages. It's a short order of the mass.
Portuguese, English, Spanish, French, German, Italian... and Latin. 7 languages.
23 indices x 6 languages = 138 indices!
@GonzaloMedina Nah, the songs are only in Portuguese. =)
The circles refer to the song type (index thing), and the squares in the bottom refer to the liturgical time (also in the index).
10:33 PM
@PauloCereda That was made with the songs package, wasn't it?
@GonzaloMedina Yes! And with your help. =)
Wii time! Bye, everyone.
@GonzaloMedina See ya!
Friends, quick and dirty question: how do I output the font family a document is currently using?
@PauloCereda Nice done!
@egreg With a great code. :-)
11:02 PM
My Wii is calling me too, but I need to finish an article.
11:20 PM
@lockstep Will someone read an introduction to LaTeX before asking a question?
11:34 PM
@egreg Some won't...
Palindrome rep news: mine is in base 13, Gonzalo's in base 34, Martin's in base 9, Raphink's base 21, lockstep's base 36, and Caramdir's in base 30.

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