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manooooh
manooooh
1:09 AM
@marmot in this wonderful answer, how can we change the position of the / in nonfillable subject? I am changing the values of \hspace{1.55em}~/~\hspace{1.6em}~/~\hspace{1.55em}{} to e.g. 0.55em but it changes the size of the lower rectangle. Could you tell me what portion of code I have to change, please?
(The / on the left is also shifted to the left)
I tried adding xshift={...em} but it did not work
 
marmot
marmot
1:42 AM
@manooooh You can change the \hspaces individually as long as you make sure that the sum is constant. That is, if you decrease one by, say, 0.2em, you need to increase another one by the same amount.
 
 
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zylitoL
zylitoL
3:44 AM
What offline LaTeX editor do you all use? I've primarily been using Overleaf, but I'd like to have an offline option for when I do not have internet access...
 
 
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vlg
vlg
4:57 AM
@zylitoL Any text editor would do. If you want suggestions and auto-completion, plugins exist for a lot of editors; e.g., I use Sublime Text 3 with latextools.
 
zylitoL
zylitoL
i suppose the most important things would be ease of implementing packages (though im sure they all are ?) and live preview
 
vlg
vlg
Package implementation? I know only of package loading, creating and documentation reading. Live preview I don't use, but tex works, I recall, had it, and so does vs code.
 
manooooh
manooooh
@zylitoL hello! Can TeXnicCenter be a solution?
 
zylitoL
zylitoL
@vlg i meant loading, my apologies
@manooooh ill take a look, thank you
 
vlg
vlg
I forgot to sleep :( I'm trying to get a decimal from the division of a `count` and two, maybe 2 hours in and I can't get it to work T_T. I was using `\fp_eval:n` in the place where the number should be, tried doing the calc beforehand with `\fp_set:Nn l_tmpa_fp {...}` and using that, tried with `\fp_new: N` I'm unsure what the command is expecting. What I found out in testing was that I also couldn't print it, neither with `\fp_show`, nor with a `\the` in front of the cs- always getting a `misused float point` error.
 
manooooh
manooooh
5:11 AM
@marmot ohh THAT WAS THE SOLUTION! Thank you!!
You are a smarmot
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I swear to you by my mother that in a moment I thought that the sum should always be constant, but as my first impulse was to change a single value to values very close to the old I thought "What happens here that does not work?". I was almost there :)
@CarLaTeX I think I know who gave that comment a star... :)
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@manooooh not I!
 
manooooh
manooooh
@CarLaTeX really?! Wow, my apologies hahaha
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@manooooh Yes, I didn't star it :)
 
vlg
vlg
I did, first chuckle I've had since I started troubleshooting my awful code. @manooooh
 
manooooh
manooooh
@vlg oh, is terrible when you spend a lot of time trying to decipher the code :C, why do not you publish a question to receive attention (maybe faster than in the comments)?
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
5:20 AM
@zylitoL For offline use, you need to install your own TeX distribution. There are two main options: TeX Live and MikTeX. Generally Mac and Linux users use TeX Live and Windows users use either TeX Live or MikTeX. Your editor has nothing to do with the distribution itself. No editors really supply live preview in the way that Overleaf does.
 
manooooh
manooooh
@vlg if you allow me to share a song, here is one that is very good and also has a touch of grace (is what I would like to be in a supermarket if everyone were a little crazy): Galantis - Peanut Butter Jelly (Official Video) :)
 
vlg
vlg
In stackexcahnge you get much scorn from at times correct, at times faux self-righteous elitist, users with more rep, you get: down-voted, your question not answered, your time wasted and your day ruined. I ask small things here. If I don't get an answer I read more documentation, questions, etc. or give up.
 
vlg
vlg
5:34 AM
So strange seeing seemingly happy people
 
 
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vlg
vlg
6:45 AM
Hmmm. gotta love the old trick of \StrGobbleRight{\the\dimexpr(\@potato pt/2-1pt)\relax}{2}[\newpotato] then using the potato string macro as a decimal; @potato being a mere count.
 
 
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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
8:03 AM
@vlg strgobbleright a bit overengineered for that (and not expandable) simply use \strip@pt which needs no package.
 
vlg
vlg
8:48 AM
@DavidCarlisle You're golden.
 
Skillmon
Skillmon
9:13 AM
@vlg especially in TikZ regards he is. He has a batch that confirms this!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Skillmon tikz and menu choices
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda crispy pancakes
Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are... oh wait
@vlg most of us suffer from Pollyannaism. :)
Which is a good thing.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
9:39 AM
@JosephWright ooh a duck
 
Raaja
Raaja
10:19 AM
@samcarter welcome back!
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samcarter
samcarter
10:58 AM
@Raaja Thanks :)
 
 
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vlg
vlg
12:30 PM
@PauloCereda what if nice things don't happen?
 
JouleV
JouleV
If someone show you a figure made in LaTeX, can you decide whether the figure is made with TikZ or PSTricks?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@vlg we make them happen. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JouleV yes
 
JouleV
JouleV
@DavidCarlisle How to do so? I don't see much difference...
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:46 PM
@JouleV I was being cruel:-) You asked if you can decide...You can decide, but you might be wrong, anyway the good diagrams might not use either
 
JouleV
JouleV
@DavidCarlisle That is a legendary plane ;-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JouleV pstricks used to be better at 3d and at deforming text along a path but maybe tikz has caught up these days, I don't really follow the tikz details
 
 
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Sigur
Sigur
4:09 PM
Consider the following situation for a page style header, as in image, where text header could have more than 1 line.
I'd like some opinion on how to format it? What would you do? Keep like this, or move the text up so the last line would be aligned to the bottom?
In the second case, should I move the page number up also? I think not.
Opinions are welcome.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Sigur definitely don't move the page number, I don't think I'd move the heading either (if possible, I suppose if it's really long you'd have to adjust the page body)
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@Sigur shorten the text.
 
Sigur
Sigur
@DavidCarlisle, the problem with the 1st option is that a 3rd line could overlap the text. So I would have to increase header sep.
@UlrikeFischer, that would be the perfect solution, but since some users really want some longer text title, I was trying to produce a header to support at least 2 lines.
So, I think that a second line below the header area is not too problematic, right?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Sigur yes or start higher up, basically your header areas needs to be big enough to contain all headers...
 
Sigur
Sigur
@DavidCarlisle, so you prefer the 2nd option, right? Since the 1st does not contain the header text inside the header area.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
4:22 PM
@Sigur no I prefer the 3rd option:-) keep the top line of the heading and the page number at the same place, but in a box big enough to contain the text. Although if you leave room for 3 lines and 99% of your headings only have one, it will look a bit spacy.....
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@Sigur "It is not good but the users want it" is the way to hell. I would simple not allow this sort of header (and a decent publisher wouldn't allow it either).
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@UlrikeFischer that is a good translation of my "a bit spacy" :-)
 
Sigur
Sigur
lol
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle three potential lines are worse than hell ;-)
 
Sigur
Sigur
Sometimes it is harder to convince others to insert a short title than try to find a solution... lol
@DavidCarlisle, @UlrikeFischer, thanks for attention and discussion.
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
4:25 PM
@Sigur clip the second line.
 
Sigur
Sigur
@UlrikeFischer, how? Manually? If not, could you explain how would you do that?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Sigur set it in a box, if that is more than a line high, discard the box and re-set in \tiny comic sans on one line and tell the user egreg recommended it that way.
 
Sigur
Sigur
@DavidCarlisle, comis sans!!!!! Great idea
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle that's a nice solution too ;-)
 
Sigur
Sigur
... with some Wingdings symbols around it :-)
 
G. Bay
G. Bay
5:17 PM
I am struggling with this but must be easy. Is there a way to force numbers in a table to be print as numbers, but not decimal aligned (centered instead)?
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@G.Bay Just use a c column? What column specification are you using?
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@G.Bay ? normally numbers are printed as numbers so where is the problem?
 
G. Bay
G. Bay
Yes there is a problem
@AlanMunn The issue is that the minus sign gets short if I dont use like \num and the decimal separator isnt converted to comma as I need. It would require me to go over all tables and replace dot for comma...
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@G.Bay So I assume you're using siunitx S columns?
 
G. Bay
G. Bay
If I do, then they get align by decimal
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
5:24 PM
@G.Bay use S[table-parse-only].
 
G. Bay
G. Bay
hmmmmmmmm
@UlrikeFischer aha! that does the trick! Many thanks
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@G.Bay that was easy, I only checked the manual ;-)
 
G. Bay
G. Bay
LOL, i did that too... but apparently I let i pass
 
 
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Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
6:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle I've done the unicode-data update
 
 
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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
8:01 PM
@JosephWright yep saw the checkin (I've updated w3c.github.io/xml-entities as well)
@JosephWright perhaps @barbarabeeton can get script and calligraphic in separately for unicode 13.....
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
8:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda would say you are mean ;-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@UlrikeFischer he would, if he had a head.
 
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle ;-). I better no discuss our diner tonight ;-).
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@UlrikeFischer Yes, best to duck that conversation.
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
8:55 PM
@AlanMunn Just found out few days ago that "to duck" means "to avoid" :)
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@CarLaTeX Yes, in this context. Its more literal meaning is to lower your head to avoid something. So you can't use it as a straightforward replacement for 'avoid'. For example, you can't say "I duck putting pineapple on pizza".
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@AlanMunn Thank you for the clarification!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:15 PM
@CarLaTeX a common sign above low doorways in old hotels etc is "duck or grouse" which are two birds with alternative reading of dip your head or complain (that your head hurts)
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
user image
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CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle Very useful information for a next trip to UK :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@CarLaTeX it never works, you always hit your head anyway
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle lol
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
9:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle I need one of those in my basement.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@AlanMunn get @samcarter to make you a grouse to go with a duck:-)
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle You could draw it in picture mode :)
 
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
@DavidCarlisle -- In the residences of several navy veterans I know, where the loo has a low doorway, there's a sign on the door that says (using recognizable coded indicators) "{\Small Watch your}{\LARGE HEAD}"
@DavidCarlisle -- Re calligraphic, I'll try.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:53 PM
@CarLaTeX good idea: 
\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}


\begin{picture}(100,100)
\put(0,80){\Huge\bfseries Duck}
\put(50,50){\oval(50,20){}}
\put(70,65){\circle{20}}
\put(35,50){\line(1,0){30}}
\put(70,65){\circle*{2}}
\put(75,67){\line(6,-1){10}}
\put(75,63){\line(6,1){10}}



\put(90,40){\LARGE\bfseries or}


\put(140,0){\Huge\bfseries Grouse}
\put(150,50){\oval(50,20){}}
\put(170,65){\oval(10,15){}}
\put(135,50){\line(1,0){30}}
\put(170,65){\circle*{2}}
\put(175,67){\line(6,-1){10}}
\put(175,63){\line(6,1){10}}
far better than this one I found on the net
 
egreg
egreg
@CarLaTeX You better hurry: after 29 March it will be very difficult.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg might call it off yet:-)
@barbarabeeton I guess a variant selector has best chance, although another alphabet block would be simpler
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
10:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle A masterpiece, as always :)
@egreg It is not sure it will be 29 March
 
egreg
egreg
@CarLaTeX Well, Mrs May is trying to make everything to break apart in a way or another.
 
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@egreg Let's come back on this topic on 30 March :)
 
Kurt
Kurt
I got a new very nice palindrome:
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