@DavidCarlisle haha

@vlg I think what you're seeing is the pdf reader's interpretation. The simple plain TeX file this that \bye makes this: /F1 9.9626 Tf 91.925 759.927 Td [(this)-333(that)]TJ 211.584 -654.747 Td [(1)]TJ which basically typesets the words “this” and “that” with some spacing specification between – not a space character! So there is no way for the pdf reader to tell a space apart from a kern: It has to make an educated guess. And in your example, you seem to have found the cutoff.

@vlg pdftex has some experimental primitives to force the insertion of real space characters rather than leaving it entirely up to the pdf reader to guess whether a visible gap represents a word space or inter-letter kerns. I forget the details though

So close!

@manooooh just delete the undeserved rep than you get a palindrome: 0

@DavidCarlisle :)

@PauloCereda I try to always provide helpful suggestions.

@DavidCarlisle indeed

@manooooh It is a palindrome, in base 100.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen good catch!

@manooooh ^^^^^

@AlexG ^^

Often when a user deletes a question you have commented on, I can find the deleted question again afterwards, for example by looking through my actions. How can a user prevent this? I commented on one earlier and now it is completely gone? User deleted their account?

@daleif after a while (a reasonably long while though I thought) deleted questions with no answers are really removed by the system.

@DavidCarlisle I think I commented on this like less than two hours ago.

@AlexG ↑↑ for the emacs users

↑↑ imaginary reputation (zero is impossible, @DavidCarlisle)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Could you explain, please? I am on vim.

Anyone tried out the new TeXworks? The BibTeX support looks handy

emacs-version is a variable defined in `C source code'.
Its value is "24.5.1"

@JosephWright Where?

@egreg There was a call on the TeXworks mailing list (tug.org/pipermail/texworks/2019q1/006840.html). The biggest new feature is that if you 'tell' TeXworks about a .bib file, you can do `Edit -> Insert Citation'. Probably needs a little refinement, but it does look useful for newer users.

@egreg Syntax highlighter seems to be a lot faster than it used to be :)

@egreg I take it you liked my short blog post on the new xparse b-type argument

@JosephWright Yes.

@egreg :)

@AlexG In emacs, if you type ^T (control-T, or really C-T in emacs speak), it will transpose the letters around the insertion point. Or, if the insertion point is at the end of a line, the final two letters will be transposed. It corresponds roughly to xp in vi(m), except for the cursor position.

@DavidCarlisle That's kind of old, isn't it? Mine says 26.1.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen yes it's what came with cygwin out of the box, rather than installing from upstream. Since the last time I read a manual it was emacs 18, seems quite new to me:-)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ah that explains it:-) yes I have 26.1 on my machine (the 24.5 version was running elsewhere)

@DavidCarlisle What – you read a manual once? Version 18.57, I suppose, that was the frozen version for years while version 19 was in the works.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen that's the one, as a real book on paper.

foreverpizzaparty.com/Forever-Pizza-2

^^ for everybody who needs a reminder that pineapples are no valid topping of a pizza

@samcarter Interesting; I get a completely blank page. But it has vertical extent: A bit more than two screens' worth.

@samcarter Oh wait: I just have to allow javascript from a third party site (static.cargo.site), then I get some visible content. Silly website design.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Silly webdesign for a silly (but funny) idea. Good combination :)

@AlexG noice!! Haha

@JosephWright hm

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I like that you write the i upright. Really! (or real i ?;-)

@PauloCereda Not keen?

@JosephWright not at all, first time reading it. :)

@PauloCereda Oh. To me it looks OK, although probably in need of refinement

Just realized I have posted 100 answers so far

@JouleV The tikzlings are proud of you!

Happy International Women's Day to all the fantastic women in this community!

@PauloCereda Edit that quickly to add a 'the' after 'all'.

@AlanMunn I cannot anymore... :( @JosephWright: help!

@JosephWright: thank you!

@PauloCereda The difference between a maximal set and a subset. :)

What should we do to celebrate Pi day? I think there really should be a sequel of this question this year.

@AlanMunn :)

@JouleV eat pie

@JouleV At 3/14/1:59 there will be a colloquium by a lady who got robbed her Nobel Prize, which relates to the World Women's Day today.

@marmot It's ironic that the Office of Inclusive Excellence puts up a page that is unreadable to the visually impaired.

@AlanMunn Yes, that's a good point.

Could someone have a look at this question : tex.stackexchange.com/q/477676/3929

@JosephWright any comments about the startlink business?

@UlrikeFischer Not had a chance to look yet: I was planning first to build up some notes

@JosephWright but you did see my comment?

@UlrikeFischer Yes, I've just replied

Goodness, the team have gone all modern: Frank is (more or less) talking about Gitflow for LaTeX development

@JosephWright ;-). But I think we need also an option for l3build install to put the stuff in a tex/latex-whatever instead of tex/latex.

@JosephWright LOL

@AlanMunn ooh mminwcols

@JosephWright "More work for Joseph?"

@PauloCereda It seemed useful, so I packaged it. I haven't decided whether to upload it to CTAN though.

@PauloCereda It's bilingual too. Commonwealth and American English spelling of centre. :)

@AlanMunn ooh :)

In other news, I wanted to get me another slide rule, but I wanted a new one...

@PauloCereda Can you even buy them any more? I had a couple in high school that belonged to my father. Among the math nerds it made you cool. :)

@AlanMunn LOLOLOL

@AlanMunn ThinkGeek had released their own slide rule, but it was probably a success that it's now out of stock...

@PauloCereda Along with HP calculators. RPN FTW.

@AlanMunn ooh Polish :)

One of our first implementation tasks was to write a RPN calculator. :)

@PauloCereda And the build quality of the HP line was incredible too. They were so much better than the TI ones.

@AlanMunn: I have a second hand slide rule from Koh-I-noor, but it's very small...

@AlanMunn Indeed!

@AlanMunn: I have a very amusing HP calculator. It has an ON button, but not an OFF one. Once you click ON, it never turns off again. It will be on and on until the battery runs out.

Back then, I phoned HP to ask them how the heck I was supposed to turn my calculator off. It's when the engineer giggled and said that that calculator would live forever.

@PauloCereda Really? I have a little TI calculator like that, but it's solar powered. So when the light runs out, it turns off.

Hello everyone!

@AlanMunn Mine has a solar panel, but according to the engineer, it resorts to battery if the light runs out, so I need a combination of battery shortage and eternal darkness. :)

About two or three days ago I do not receive notifications in the Recent inbox messages about the rep I receive from users who vote my answers/questions

How can I re-enable it? Thanks!

@UlrikeFischer I think this is probably best handled in the build.lua file: I have an idea

@manooooh Click on the icon in the headline.

@manooooh The problem is probably caused by the two bounties you recently offered

@samcarter hello! What do you mean?

@samcarter oh, you are right, I offered two bounties recently. You say that causes that the notifications still do not arrive? How long does it wait?

@manooooh Click on the icon about the recent achievements in the headline. After that the notifications should work again

@manooooh (the problem is that the notifications only show positive reputation changes and if you have not clicked on it since you offered the bounties, yours is still negative - but if you once click on it it starts again from 0)

@samcarter ohh, so I offered 100 rep, and until I recover those 100 rep can not I see more positive votes, right?

@samcarter done. Could you help me test it, please? :)

@UlrikeFischer Try adding the following to build-config.lua:

I clicked on:

-- Allow for 'next' release
-- See stackoverflow.com/a/12142066/212001
local branch = os.execute("git rev-parse --abbrev-ref HEAD") or ""
if branch ~= "master" then
  tdsroot = tdsroot or "latex-next"
end

@manooooh tested - did you get notified?

(I think that's what you meant)

@manooooh Yes, that's what I meant

@samcarter yay, thank you (as always)!!

@manooooh :)

@samcarter now I must return what you lent me, what post do you want me to see and value it?

My sincere wishes for all the women of the TeX.SE. group and that the violence against them will cease. Best wishes for Women's Day.

@samcarter I did not mean to imply that you should unaccept the accepted answer (of course I do not want to argue that you shouldn't) ;-)

@manooooh You don't need to return anything,

@marmot You came out of the blue :-) but the good wishes weren't for you. LOL.

@samcarter whatever

@marmot I think your answer is the most versatile, so I think it is best to accept it

@DavidCarlisle Hi, your comment tex.stackexchange.com/questions/82664/… is very interesting. I think it should be merged with your answer. Should I do it, or would you? Or do you think it is a bad idea?

@Sebastiano blue -> burrow, please! ;-)

Why cannot we use "\\" (replace " by ```)? We are forced to add a blank space after or before \\ :/

@DavidCarlisle -- Just saw this. Thanks for the congratulations, but it was more like "election by default". No, I can't stop Brexit. I can't even manage to print out the pdf files of our tax returns -- they come out blank when I use the printer at the library! (Didn't happen on the AMS computers.) And the new printer we just got for home needs a fax connection; since we haven't had a land line for several years, that's rather difficult. I guess we'll figure it out ... back to handwriting.

@barbarabeeton that is a bad notice :(. To get out of the way for a while, why do not you go to places where faxes are accepted? Surely there must be at least one in your neighborhood

@marmot What a nice way to celebrate Einsteins birthday! I've seen her at a conference a couple of years ago. She is a fantastic story teller -- I really enjoyed her talk.

Btw, @barbarabeeton I would like to know where have you been selected ^-^

@manooooh -- But a public place where faxes are accepted most likely won't allow a private printer to be plugged into their wiring. (All I can say is that, so far, this retirement thing isn't all it's cracked up to be.)

@manooooh -- My term on the TUG board has been renewed for four more years. Nobody has tried hard enough to get rid of me.

@barbarabeeton all you have to do is create a PDF (or similar) to give it to the person in charge of sending fax (in addition to the telephone number of the company) and that's it, I suppose. If you are very short of time and the phone number is from the USA or Canada you can do it for free and without registration to for example: faxzero.com

@barbarabeeton because nobody can match and even exceed your analytical ability, your vision about things and your wisdom, which is great. Congratulations!

@barbarabeeton That seems like a very odd requirement. Does anyone even use faxes any more? And good laser printers are pretty cheap these days. How did you manage with one that needs a phone?

@JonasStein the underfull box one? I could add a slightly less chatty version I suppose

@AlanMunn a few days ago a branch of an insurance company (I think Peugeot) required a fax from my father. It seems that they do not want modern technology :(

@barbarabeeton fax? does that still exist?

@manooooh -- Maybe not. The pdf files in question are our tax forms. For the past n years, once pdf was available, I have filled in the pdf forms, printed them out on the printer at my office, and sent them by post the the tax office. But this year, not having that facility available, I'm filling them in on my laptop and taking the files on a thumb drive to the library to print out. Doesn't work. I sent copies to my husband via email, and when he received them, they were blank. Fie.

@AlanMunn -- My husband picked it out, but didn't read the installation instructions first, so didn't realize it was dependent on a phone jack.

@barbarabeeton how do you connect a pc to a printer via a phone wire?

@barbarabeeton Hm. pdf forms must be saved after the filling.

@manooooh -- Thank you. But really, I just stick to the things that I know I'm good at.

@barbarabeeton have you tried filling out the PDFs using for example sejda.com/en/pdf-editor?

@barbarabeeton Printing pdf forms can be tricky. One thing that sometimes helps is to print them to pdf first and then print the newly created pdf to paper.

@DavidCarlisle following Windows instructions :)

@barbarabeeton if there is not much to complete you can print the PDF first, fill it out by hand, scan it (or take photos) and, optionally, convert it to PDF to send it to a fax manager or a free online page

@manooooh has your windows machine got a phone socket?

@DavidCarlisle -- No, the pc gets connected to the printer via its own cable. But to get the printer to turn on, it first needs to be plugged into the fax line as well as the power. (Lots of different cables and wires involved.)

@DavidCarlisle great!

@UlrikeFischer -- Forms definitely saved. And verified that they were saved with filled in lines. Then copied to a thumb drive, and separately verified that the copy contains the filled in lines. It's only when taking the thumb drive to another computer and trying to print that everything fails.

@barbarabeeton I can't really believe that a printer requires a phone line. My printer has a fax too, but I'm quite sure that printing would work if I disconnect it.

@barbarabeeton are the font resources available on the other PC?

@samcarter -- I had to save the original forms that way -- printing to a pdf file. Then filled them in, which appeared to work, at least on the computer where the forms were resident. But as I mentioned, even sending them via email to someone else, the filled in contents vanished. But I'll try that route again. Thanks.

@DavidCarlisle When I were young, I had a LAN that used phone jacks. :)

@UlrikeFischer -- I find it hard to believe that the U.S. government printing office (or whatever inflated title they're using now) would call for a not-generally-available font. Or maybe it's not so hard to believe these days. (Just retrieving the forms, I found several errors on the official web page. I have decided not to report them, since I really don't want to wave a flag saying I want to be audited.)

@UlrikeFischer @barbarabeeton I think so too. My mum has a fax/printer and I use the printer without worrying about the phone connection.

@AlanMunn -- Okay. We'll try reading the instructions again ...

@barbarabeeton no, but I wouldn't bet that you are using a "standard" computer everywhere ;-)

@JonasStein some words added

@JosephWright I tried in a test branch and it seems to work fine - everything was unpacked in latex-next (I did set texmfhome to the target first). But I didn't dare to try it in master ;-)

@UlrikeFischer -- Gordon has just dug some more, and it's recommended to use Adobe Reader. I'm working on a Mac laptop, and not sure it has Reader installed. Maybe we can do that (but I'm not optimistic -- the OS isn't up to date, long story). Well, it's time to go pick up our car, which had to have new tie rids installed -- winter potholes, and winter isn't over yet ...

imgur.com/NB7VEvv

@DavidCarlisle ^^^^^^ at least the port fit well, I do not know if it could work (before I had another laptop where I could, but it was very old) haha

@AlanMunn without the connected telephone line, how does the recipient know who sent the fax (omitting the content of the document that may contain the information)?

@manooooh We're talking about whether you can use the printer function of a fax/printer without a phone, not whether you can use the fax function.

@UlrikeFischer I'm going to wait for Frank to config I should go ahead with the branches before I do anything

@AlanMunn uhm, I think it depends on the technological development of fax

@samcarter Yes, and she got cheated. Like Rosalind Franklin....

@marmot >> chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/49379590#49379590 << a duckling and David :O

@JosephWright well perhaps someelse should try that all works as it worked for me on windows.

@manooooh David is a duck!

@marmot hahaha

:D

@JosephWright does \documentclass{beamer} compiles for you in tl19? I suddenly get an error ! Package filehook Error: Detected unknown definition of \InputIfFileExists.

@UlrikeFischer this works for me, but I'm doing an update, see if it still works...

\documentclass{beamer}

\begin{document}
\begin{frame}
  x
\end{frame}
\end{document}

@DavidCarlisle I'm not getting it. I suddenly have a different definition of \inputiffileexists. Where does it comes from?

LaTeX2e <2018-12-01>
> \InputIfFileExists=\long macro:
#1#2->\IfFileExists {#1}{\expandafter \@swaptwoargs \expandafter {\@filef@und }
{#2\@addtofilelist {#1}\@@input }}.

@DavidCarlisle can it be from the latex git?

@UlrikeFischer ah swap too args is newish, the format I'm using is from teh utf8 branch (still updating tl: 24/94)

@DavidCarlisle yes just realize that I had a format with newer code (but it should announce itself better). But this means that the new code will break filehook and so beamer ...