TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2017-09-13

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Stefan Kottwitz

12:21 AM

@CarLaTeX rough sea, but we kept moving and we were far enough away from the storm

1:13 AM

@StefanKottwitz I'm happy to know you're well, I watched terrifying images on TV :'(

1:43 AM

@StefanKottwitz -- glad to hear you weathered the storm okay. many on land not so fortunate. (and much land still covered with water.)

4 hours later…

5:28 AM

If I'm already using hyperref, and I have only simple references like "Section ...", "Table ...", etc. there is no need to use cleveref, isn't it?

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@CarLaTeX I don't think so. But not a cleveref user, so I am biased.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Till now it works without problems... I think cleveref is needed only if you aren't using hyperref or if you want to build sophisticated references...

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Thank you!

1 hour later…

6:53 AM

@JosephWright ping Frank:-)

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Q: Why is reinsertion in multicol different than usual?

I've recently been having an issue with multicol and dblfnote. The solution to the issue was to change the definition in multicol of \reinsert@footnote from \ifvoid\footins\else\insert\footins{}\fi to \ifvoid\footins\else\insert\footins{\unvbox\footins}\fi Which matches the usual \@reinsert...

multicol debugging sourcecode

@CarLaTeX it is not an "either-or" question. hyperref is mostly for links, cleveref for the print out - e.g. it adds fix works like "Figure" to the links.

@UlrikeFischer I forgot to say \autoref from hyperref...

@UlrikeFischer Since I like the names with always the first letter capital, \autoref does more or less the same job of \Cref, I think...

7:20 AM

@CarLaTeX Ah yes, then they are really alternatives. If the result is okay, I don't see any reason to use the more powerful but also more complicated cleveref.

@UlrikeFischer Thank you!

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9:17 AM

@DavidCarlisle oi you are mean

Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)

@DavidCarlisle <3

@PauloCereda what about the people who starred it?

@DavidCarlisle oopsie I starred that too. :)

@PauloCereda I suspected as much

9:21 AM

@DavidCarlisle we ducks are very naïve

@PauloCereda but can type words with fancy accents

@DavidCarlisle I blame my language that has those funny accent thingies. :) On a very sad note, the lastest ortographic reform dropped the umlaut... :(

@PauloCereda The idea of having rules that can be reformed sends @JosephWright and me into some kind of bewildered state wondering how officials can try to dictate any rules about something as anarchic as spelling:-)

@DavidCarlisle Yup

@DavidCarlisle I can relate. :) Funny thing is, I believe I still can escape this reform, since the government forced the usage from 2018 on. :)

9:26 AM

@JosephWright it might be better if governments worried about spelling than about messing up international relations and the economy.

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

Funny headline of the day:

> Why Bats Crash Into Windows

I thought it was computer-related! :D

@DavidCarlisle Did you hear that a former minister was found with 51 millions (live cash!) inside his flat?

@PauloCereda no, but I'm sure he was saving it up to do good works amongst the poor.

Mac people:

> Apple Is Releasing macOS High Sierra On September 25

@DavidCarlisle I think we and the Italians are doomed with their governments. :)

@PauloCereda at least you write that in the future tense so you still have hope. We and the americans though ....

9:33 AM

@DavidCarlisle Ouch.

10:13 AM

Anyone on Mac who can help this person: tex.stackexchange.com/q/391144/3929, without physical access I cannot.

@daleif The obvious problem is the dual installation (with probably some PATH related issues). I removed any trace of MacPorts long ago.

10:37 AM

@egreg Yes, alos my though, and I saw elsewhere that TL from macports is NOT recommended. Issue is then how to remove the mac ports stuff

@egreg: High Sierra soon, get ready!

Well…

@PauloCereda I think I'll wait at least a couple of months.

@egreg :)

10:53 AM

@egreg I suppose you need that time to play with the iphone X you have on order

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@DavidCarlisle I ordered five of them, of course, they need some support.

@DavidCarlisle I have a colleague who probably will do exactly that

@JosephWright oh my

@JosephWright they obviously pay you too much:-)

@DavidCarlisle He's on a higher grade than me ;)

11:05 AM

@JosephWright so you can order at least one. :)

@PauloCereda does facial recognition work for ducks?

@DavidCarlisle oh my, I have no idea!

Hey I feel just like @egreg; I stole a tick from @UlrikeFischer!

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@Apple Hi! Out of curiosity, does Face ID work on ducks?

Tweeted by paulocereda on September 13, 2017 at 11:07 AM

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@DavidCarlisle ^^

@PauloCereda no one looking at your twitter icon will know you are a duck or understand the tweet

11:09 AM

@DavidCarlisle Good point! But my question is still relevant. :)

@DavidCarlisle Boo. Has removing the vbox side-effects on "real longtables"?

@PauloCereda you'll probably get an official reply from apple and a link to a peer reviewed paper on statistical analysis of bill shapes

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@UlrikeFischer it fixes two or three bugs in my longtable bug list, it only boxes the last page, which stops \marks working on that page and a few other things, I did it originally as after switching back to the standard output routine there is a chance that it decides to break the page differently or float a top float back in to the table or something, but there ought to be less aggressive ways of fixing that than boxing the final partial page before handing back.

@UlrikeFischer as we both said in separate comments using any kind of table to align fixed width parboxes seems somewhat pointless.

11:40 AM

@DavidCarlisle My icon features a very important character: mariowiki.com/Blargg

> Blarggs are large dinosaurs commonly found inhabiting pools of lava in underground caverns. Blarggs resemble lazy-eyed lava dinosaurs, but Yoshi's Story depicts them as blob-like beings with large mouths, small arms and beady eyes, while numerous other games involve an assortment of similarly blob-like derived species.

@DavidCarlisle So it improves longtable ;-). Then you can have my tick.

@DavidCarlisle does longtable have bugs?! /gasp

@PauloCereda did you listen to my talk at all ?

@DavidCarlisle I always listen to your talks. :)

@DavidCarlisle Well tabulars helps also with rule, and you can add headers, and the spaces between the boxes are handled, and the struts are added automatically. So they make life a bit easier. But they are not really needed.

11:47 AM

@DavidCarlisle: I wrote an article for ArsTeXnica (the Italian blokes) and you are mentioned throughout the text. This bit might interest you:

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@PauloCereda it's quite nice really! (the pizza, not the quote)

@DavidCarlisle ooh :) ooh :(

@PauloCereda I think ham and pineapple gets listed amongst the most favourite toppings world wide (just not in a few backward countries that are too stuck in tradition to try new flavours)

@DavidCarlisle There's one flavour here that fancies chips. :)

1 hour later…

1:20 PM

Quack!

> This question exists because it has historical significance, but it is not considered a good, on-topic question for this site, so please do not use it as evidence that you can ask similar questions here. This question and its answers are frozen and cannot be changed.

OI

@PauloCereda link?

@DavidCarlisle The duck giveaway. :) tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6914/…

@PauloCereda slapped wrist from the moderators:-)

@DavidCarlisle yep. :)

2:07 PM

@JosephWright @egreg vvvvvvv

don't put spaces in filenames. — David Carlisle 24 secs ago

@DavidCarlisle Just because you're in charge of making them work!

@egreg I think the above should be an implementation sketch, amend input and includegraphics to detect spaces in their argument and make them stop and give the above error.

3:09 PM

@DavidCarlisle And if a non ASCII character is found, make the machine melt.

@egreg that's assumed behaviour.

@DavidCarlisle With no caveat in the manual, of course. OTOH, who's reading manuals?

@egreg if that were true, arara 4.0 was out for a long time. :)

@egreg I have the manual source in The 𝐿𝑎𝑇𝑒𝑋 𝐁𝐨𝐨𝐤 .tex but I haven't been able to input it.

2 hours later…

5:08 PM

"Why do you live under my bed?" she whispered. "I'll tell you," whispered the monster, "if you explain why you keep sleeping on my roof."

Tweeted by ASmallFiction on September 13, 2017 at 4:24 AM

:)

@barbarabeeton: I asked the British Library the following:

@britishlibrary: out of curiosity, what is your favourite oddly-shaped book design? #AskACurator

Tweeted by paulocereda on September 13, 2017 at 2:09 PM

And their reply:

Lots! Particularly artists books. This is 'Binding Ties' by artist Angela Lorenz, currently being catalogued.… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/907986396291457024

Tweeted by britishlibrary on September 13, 2017 at 3:16 PM

5:41 PM

@PauloCereda Haha, you gotta love that one. Do you think \documentclass[tie-paper]{memoir} was used?

@mickep Quite possible. :) We should poke @daleif. :)

@PauloCereda bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41257344

@PauloCereda Thesis defence ;)

@JosephWright Oh my!

@JosephWright Literally! :)

Hello @JosephWright and @PauloCereda I see that after so many years, you are still ducks, lol.

@Jasper Hello! No surprise, I am a duck!

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6:07 PM

@PauloCereda call me when it is an ISO standard :-p

@daleif I could use img2iso. :)

@PauloCereda Well, that was at least a standard joke ;)

@mickep ooh indeed

Why did the ISO chicken cross the road? To get to the other standard. :)

/sad trombone

@PauloCereda So, did you answer the library to tell them about the upcoming duck-book? They will probably love it!

@mickep ooh good plan

I think we should prod @NicolaTalbot about publishing a duck-shaped book. :)

2 hours later…

7:53 PM

@PauloCereda did you also get a reply from apple re face recognition?

@DavidCarlisle no :(

@PauloCereda British library clearly better then.

@DavidCarlisle yes. :)

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@egreg's favourite editor ^^^

@DavidCarlisle Definitely!

8:02 PM

@egreg vim hasn't got a "LaTeX" button in its default configuration.

@DavidCarlisle does emacs?

@PauloCereda what's a button?

@DavidCarlisle The Italian goalkeeper, I guess.

Oh wait, it's Buffon. Sorry.

It's the English F-1 driver then.

but inserting math zones is all well and good, but clearly seems alien to @egreg and @CarLaTeX, but this should make them feel more at home, look what happens if you say insert Hawaiian pizza:

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@DavidCarlisle Hawaiian what?

8:07 PM

@DavidCarlisle Tell me what you want do do -> Annoy the Italians /inserts Hawaiian pizza image

"Serious" question: if I clicked on the wrong link while I was closing a question as duplicate, there is some way to change it?

@CarLaTeX You can retract your vote by clicking on “close”

The question is already closed now: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/391115/…

@egreg I can't, it's already closed...

@CarLaTeX I see; maybe @JosephWright can fix it.

@DavidCarlisle See here: tex.stackexchange.com/q/391236/101651!!!

8:14 PM

@CarLaTeX :-)

@DavidCarlisle 42% pineapple, OMG!!!

1 hour later…

9:20 PM

@CarLaTeX @PauloCereda Did you see

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A: "The duck pond": showcase of TikZ-drawn animals/ducks

\documentclass[pstricks,border=12pt]{standalone} \usepackage{pst-vehicle,tikzducks} \def\V{\rput(1,1.5){\psscalebox{-2 2}{\tikz{\duck[alien=red]}}}} \def\F{cos(x)/2+x/3} \begin{document} \foreach \i in {0,0.2,...,8}{ \begin{pspicture}(-1,0)(11,5) \psplot{-1}{11}{\F} \psVehicle[vehicl...

@samcarter Already upvoted!

9:46 PM

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@HeikoOberdiek Congratulations!

Congrats:-)

@egreg my way is simpler

10:03 PM

Nobody else for the party?

@egreg Thanks, also for the nice picture.

@HeikoOberdiek Nice to see you here: congratulations again! How's it going?

@DavidCarlisle Thanks.

@egreg Still, maintaining a low TeX profile. Hopefully, I can manage to change this a bit.

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