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Our plot friend is back
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enter link description here please help me , to create this graph in writer Latex only. Please if you can only send me latex code of this graph (other I dont want), Also create graph in Latex same parametrs. I send also excel -link . Please help me toc create. I want for my phd dissertation, I ...

@JosephWright oh, my...

@SeanAllred Is there a mode I can set it to where it just always tells me I have too many pages and should revise further? Also, a "thesis advisor" mode would be good, where it tells you to trim half the text but double the amount of footnotes.
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@SeanAllred General comments or expl3 ones?

@AndrewCashner HA! Well, yes ;): maxp=0,report-as=warning
@JosephWright Both, if you have them

@SeanAllred OK, may be a bit of a list!

8:04 PM
@JosephWright I think I mucked up some of indentation-related expl3 style stuff, but I did so over lunch and was in a hurry
@JosephWright All the better :) Thanks!!

@AndrewCashner that was mean, but I lol'd

@SeanAllred OK, I won't mention that one then ;-)
@SeanAllred Check your expandability: \cs_new:Npn for expandable, \cs_new_protected:Npn (etc.) if not
@SeanAllred Define if your functions and variables are internal or documented, and if the latter document them
@SeanAllred Following that one: consider using a .dtx so you can document your code
@SeanAllred page as a package prefix is a bit general

@JosephWright Per the rush: this will be done :)
@JosephWright What would I need to be checking? I'm only dealing with integers here (as far as I see)
@JosephWright Yep yep :)

@SeanAllred Minor thing, but in the expl3 messages we've avoided the LaTeX2e use of backticks in messages: they are not typeset so we've gone with just '
@SeanAllred You've got
\cs_new:Nn \page_control_validate_bounds: {
\int_compare:nNnT
{ \g_page_control_min_pages_int }
>
{ \g_page_control_max_pages_int }
{
\msg_error:nnnn { page-control } { invalid-bounds }
{ \g_page_control_min_pages_int }
{ \g_page_control_max_pages_int }
}
}

@JosephWright I was using page_ctrl as a package prefix, but I suppose it makes sense for tools to use only [A-z]+ for this

8:08 PM
but as \msg_error:nnnn is not expandable, \page_control_validate_bounds: is not expandable
@SeanAllred Prefix is part up to first _, so you are just using page
@SeanAllred In general, package name = prefix = name for keys, messages, etc.

@JosephWright Phew! Do I have them all so far? github.com/vermiculus/pagectrl/issues

@SeanAllred Define which things are documented and which are internal (perhaps everything is public, but I'm not sure)

@JosephWright If it's public, does it necessarily have to be CamelCase? I would think not, following the convention set forth by lt3graph -- if it's a public interface as a programmer, it should stay in expl3, yes?
Because the only thing I can think to do is to pull out all the cruft in \AtEndDocument into a function and make that a public interface.

@Mico On that license question, the reason files do need to have some statement (even 'do what you like') is that without a statement you basically can't be sure you can do anything at all in terms of the source.

(breaking it down even more as necessary)

8:18 PM
@SeanAllred No

@JosephWright Okie dokie. Thanks again!

@SeanAllred 'Public' here is a documented code-level interface like \tl_new:N rather than an internal code-level function like \__int_eval_end:w
@SeanAllred The idea is that someone else can reuse a documented interface whereas they shouldn't do that with an internal one

@JosephWright Yep. Its API, if you will.

@SeanAllred The aim is to make things much clearer than LaTeX2e (what in the kernel are you allowed to use)
@SeanAllred Exactly
@SeanAllred That's why we have the \__ convention for internal stuff

@JosephWright I'm editing it to make the link text show it's GDrive, and I'm tempted to tag it , or at least

8:21 PM
@tohecz I think would be a fine tag. :)

@tohecz I know we like to help new users, but I'm not sensing much give at the far end

@tohecz agreed

@tohecz I wouldn't use either tag, personally -- perhaps , but is slimy

@JosephWright well, there is a difference between a generous person and a dumb-ass, right?

@tohecz Indeed

8:23 PM
@JosephWright tell me which close reason fits the best and I'll cast a close vote, together with commenting.
btw, do you know how many Q-banned people but not blatant spammers have we got?

@tohecz None, I think

@JosephWright getting close to a prime :)

do we have a homework tag?

@AndrewCashner no, and I think it's blacklisted

@tohecz I guess 'unclear', 'too broad' and 'off topic' (by convention) all cover it

8:26 PM
@tohecz s/:)/:(/

@AndrewCashner btw, [tag:homework] gives this in all places on SE:

@tohecz I'm minded to mod message the user

@tohecz So it does -- good :)

Oh good, another one
Right, mod message it is

@JosephWright I don't think it would hurt. I wonder what language they speak natively, though
really..........

8:27 PM
@tohecz Thanks. The question isn't unclear, it's "Can someone here do this for me?"

@SeanAllred I can guess from their IP but of course I can't say publicly
@AndrewCashner I might make a suggestion in the mod message about who I think might help

@JosephWright Of course, totally understandable.

Questions on the site are supposed to be information-seeking not work-requesting. So technically the answer to their question is, "Yes, someone can do this. But we are not going to."

VTC + commented.

@AndrewCashner well as tiger would say "aligning things is what tabular does best": \begin{tabular}{l@{}l} four syllables,\\ \mc{2}{full line with all eight syllables,}\\ &the other four. \end{tabular}

8:30 PM
@AndrewCashner Which, if said to me two years ago, would have absolutely turned me off to TeX.SX, without which I likely would have dropped TeX, never started using emacs, and ... well no, that's about as bad as it gets. Can't think of a worse fate.

@SeanAllred You're right, that was mean-spirited. I answered this one, after all: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/216034/…

@SeanAllred that's why nobody says that to the guy

@tohecz I'm going to go with To be clear: a program will ban you if you continue asking questions like this one. Please see [this post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/86997/188148). It's a simple structure and is likely to play nice with Google Translate.
Well, as simple as I can manage. I'm native and am surely not the best judge of these things.
@JosephWright Can the user truly pop into chat like that? I thought it required more reputation to participate in chat

The odd thing: someone upvoted that latest question!
@SeanAllred I can give them a 'permit' :-)

@JosephWright wut
@JosephWright Likely to stick to the -1 is enough rule we have

8:36 PM
@SeanAllred It's possible for room owners to permit low-rep users into rooms. As a mod, I can act as an owner of any room (mods have cross-network power in chat)
@SeanAllred Could be

@JosephWright Oh yes, I figured that much :) I was 'wut'ing at the +1

@JosephWright btw, it's got 3 VTC, you could even zap it now if you wanted to I think

@tohecz I think it'd be better to show community support of the decision, personally

@tohecz @Sean @Joseph You all posted really considerate comments. Maybe you can win over a new user.

@AndrewCashner We can try
@AndrewCashner It seems clear the user is desperate for help but they've got the wrong approach to getting it

8:39 PM
@AndrewCashner That's the hope, as always :)

@AndrewCashner hold on, looking up considerate ...

@AndrewCashner I've made some other suggestions in a mod message, where I can say things I can't in comments

@AndrewCashner ah thanks

@JosephWright Thanks :)

Hello @Werner

8:41 PM
@JosephWright: Hi...

@Werner Hi there

@JosephWright: I assume it would be okay to add the tag to the following post:
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I have recorded many videos of conferences, including TeX conferences. For nearly 10 years I have been hosting these on www.river-valley.tv. The domain is now not under my control (long story), and the DNS has been changed, so the videos are inaccessible. I have transferred all videos to "zeeba.t...

@tohecz Now I looked it up too (just in case I was using it wrong). I think this in general is a good characterization of this community, and I hope it will stay so: "CONSIDERATE: thinking about the rights and feelings of other people : showing kindness toward other people" (merriam-webster.com)

...I just completed the last of the .tv > zeeba.tv link updates.
@JosephWright: Thanks.

@AndrewCashner my EN>CZ dictionary agrees :)

8:45 PM
We do consider the humanity of the person on the other end of the wire :)

@SeanAllred well, I try to imagine that I'm at a counter in some institution and they come for help

@tohecz Surely you mean EN>=CZ? :)

@AndrewCashner well, > as an arrow. Otherwise of course, CZ > EN, if you count all variants of the words

@tohecz use ⇒ next time to avoid confusing Andrew:-)

@DavidCarlisle I had this complaint at work today (the other way around)

8:53 PM
btw, one of the cruelest Xmas gifts in the world: self-tie bow-tie :)
anyways, gotta go, will re-connect later

@tohecz My native language is actually Amurrican anyway.

@AndrewCashner now I lost you...

@tohecz Sorry, that's the way George W. Bush pronounced "American"

@AndrewCashner it is to resemble hurricane? That he was, yeah :D

@tohecz More or less. Just a lot of round Texas "R" sound in the middle.

8:57 PM
@AndrewCashner it is the one you need a hot potato in your mouth to say it right?

@tohecz I don't think the British like us unsophisticated US folks to claim to speak "English"
@tohecz I haven't heard that one! It's the sound people who aren't from the US have a hard time making.

I dont want your advice, only want latex code — dasag 2 mins ago

@tohecz And the one we import into every language we try to speak so that everyone can immediately tell where we are from

@AndrewCashner no, that's how you pronounce it
I would know
I'm from Baltimore :)
(We speak special :)
@JosephWright WOOOOWWWWW
... I'm speechless.

@JosephWright You are kidding.
@SeanAllred +2.

9:01 PM
@tohecz Well said.

@JosephWright the first downvote from me on that person.

Also, @tohecz @AndrewCashner Uh-muhr-e-kin (with the e often elided)

@AndrewCashner One of my first English teachers had a Texas accent (I wrote TeXas originally, dunno why). It was quite complicated in the beginning, but then I got the flow. :P

@PauloCereda :)

@tohecz :)
My Portuguese accent is considered southeast redneck. :)

9:03 PM
@SeanAllred Yep, that's what I meant.

I live amongst Scots here. And if they happen to be English instead, they better have a strong English accent rather than Oxford English one

@AndrewCashner I was trying to pronounce 'Murican as I would Hurricane and it just sounded super weird :)

@SeanAllred Here comes the story of 'Murican, the man the authorities came to blame...
Great, now Bob Dylan's song is stuck in my head. Oh no!

It's 10pm and there is plenty of bikes available in front of the university. Something's wrong here.

@SeanAllred Now that I think of it, I knew someone from Mississippi who pronounce "Hurricane" like "HARE-kin", which is actually closer to the "correct" pronunciation of "American." (If anybody followed that)

9:05 PM
@tohecz The attack of the bikes? :)

@AndrewCashner I read you loud and clear

@PauloCereda it's the other way around, I will attack them and choose the best one! :)

@AndrewCashner Interestingly, that's how it's pronounced in speech where I live in baltimore. They happen often enough that the word just gets mushed up.

Speaking of cultures, we need an Australian, I believe. :)
@tohecz ooh! :)
Well, Vivi lived in Australia, but she was Brazilian...

@Paulo At this conference in Spain last week, I was speaking Spanish and someone tried speaking to me in Portuguese. I can kind of read Portuguese, but understanding it spoken was very hard.
@Paulo What's the Portuguese equivalent for "rítmico" or "rhythmic"?

9:10 PM
@AndrewCashner Oh, I think Portuguese is quite complex. Was the person speaking Portuguese from Portugal or Brazil?
@AndrewCashner it's rítmico. :)

@Paulo Ooh, but it doesn't sound like it looks (to me)!
@Paulo from Brazil

@AndrewCashner oh. :)

well, I really gotta go. See you in 1 hour or so!

@AndrewCashner Oh I think you'd have a harder time with the European Portuguese.
@tohecz See ya Tom!
Guys, can I post this as an answer to that rude guy's question?
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{tikz}

\begin{document}

\centering
\begin{tikzpicture}[y=0.80pt, x=0.8pt,yscale=-1, inner sep=0pt, outer sep=0pt]
\path[fill=black,even odd rule] (186.5230,42.6290) .. controls
(181.3770,46.8210) and (177.2520,52.0360) .. (177.1840,61.3090) .. controls
(173.4610,53.8470) and (177.9210,43.3950) .. (186.5230,42.6290) -- cycle;
\path[fill=black,even odd rule] (123.9480,53.8360) .. controls
(131.6610,49.6690) and (133.9770,68.5560) .. (129.5520,73.4490) .. controls
It's a document with a huge trollface in the center. :)

@Paulo I was going to go with \relax \bye if we could only use code.
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9:12 PM
@PauloCereda no

@Andrew: I think Brazil has several accents which might compromise the understanding. Mine is not that bad, but there are a couple of them that makes me scratch my head. :)

Oh dear:
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Help to create this graph in writer Latex only.if you can only send me latex code of this graph (other I dont don't want), Also create graph in Latex same parametrs parameters. I send also excel -link . Below link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6scef4N4Zx_bnRGY1JMOTBFMXM/view If have any...

@AndrewCashner A good plan also. :)

@JosephWright Seeing the last comments of him, I flagged it as spam.

9:14 PM
Guys, beware of the downvote spree.

@tohecz Is it another account? Let's bust him. :)

Okay, I am trusting a mod to take care of it so we can focus on being kind to the 99% of other users who deserve it.

@PauloCereda yep

@PauloCereda I would approve, but I'm also growing too impatient with this guy (not that he's demonstrating any saving qualities)

9:16 PM
Don't worry, I'm on this

@SeanAllred well, I believe that he's Q-banned on the original account.
@JosephWright thanks.

He's gone beyond any reasonable idea of 'wanting help'
@tohecz Yes

@tohecz It doesn't suprise me the slightest bit. We did warn him of this specifically -- multiple times.
@JosephWright Thanks

@SeanAllred he's even got the link to MSE, now they'll have to Q-ban him too :) /cynism

@Andre: for example, esperto = /espeRto/ (my pronunciation, with a very strong emphasis on the R), /iXperto/ (R sounding like shhh), and so on. :)

9:17 PM
@tohecz His IP will get blocked at this rate

@SeanAllred Indeed.

@JosephWright yep. AFAI could see from desperate people on MSE, it's with the second Q-banned account from an IP that didn't have activity on other (good) accounts.

@JosephWright @tohecz Good. Maybe the time it takes for his IP to expire will give him enough time to miss the thesis deadline and quit this madness.

@Paulo Okay, yes-- rítmico came out like HRishmika

@AndrewCashner Wow!

9:20 PM
@Paulo To my untrained ears. I will have to learn Brazilian Portuguese so I can navigate those steakhouse menus. :)

@AndrewCashner The best thing about this code in particular is that it's syntactically valid and exactly what he needs to do.

@AndrewCashner :)
@SeanAllred Exactly. :)

@SeanAllred Dr. Knuth built TeX in a very considerate way, I would say, with humans in mind. I love the sense of humor shown in these commands.

@AndrewCashner It's easy to pretend you are telling someone what to do (except in this case it's appropriate because the 'person' is designed to do exactly that)
I can't really put my finger on what gives it that quality, though.
I might just be going insane :)

@SeanAllred Right, he defended his use of first-person error messages because he thought it helped people better understand that the computer was just doing what the user told it to do.

9:29 PM
@AndrewCashner Ah! I never gave that any thought! An excellent UX decision for a text-based program :)

@SeanAllred First page of TAOCP: "The reader should possess: [...] An ability to put the solutions to problems into such explicit terms that a computer can 'understand' them. (These machines have no common sense; they do exactly as they are told, no more and no less. This fact is the hardest concept to grasp when one first tries to use a computer.)"

@Johannes_B: I'll have a look tomorrow... for now, it's too late for me

@AndrewCashner As a former CS1/2/3 TA, can confirm.

@SeanAllred :)

@Werner surely the % is needed after a csname?

9:39 PM
Is it really necessary?
Would % truly be necessary here? Wouldn't scanning gobble up the spaces (including newline) after the token anyway? — Sean Allred 56 secs ago

@DavidCarlisle Maybe they use it at the start of a paragraph, as in \endparano This is a paragraph...

@SeanAllred no, but unlike you I didn't want to argue in front of the children OP
@Werner there is no space token to comment out

@DavidCarlisle There's an argument for that, I suppose :)

@DavidCarlisle Good thing this conversation is "not on record".

I'm sorry! XD
Comments can be deleted anyway -- this transcript is forever

9:42 PM
@Werner I'm sure stackexchange don't archive chat:-)

(unless of course, it's deleted)

@DavidCarlisle What do you mean by this?

Everything is journalled :-)

@DavidCarlisle Seriously, how accessible and searchable are the chat archives?

@Werner nothing much just that I pinged you here rather than on the comment
@AndrewCashner they are on the internet and searchable...

9:44 PM
@AndrewCashner muahahahhaha

@SeanAllred I tested it on a small example from the /samples folder of lawtex and it wasn't really necessary. But that's why I mentioned in the post that I'm not sure about the OP's usage (no example was given).

@Werner oh you mean by no space token I mean in \zzz% you are not commenting anything out, unlike zz}% where you are commenting out a space

@Werner Fair enough :)

@DavidCarlisle Okay... then the original question seems wrong: "surely the % is needed after a csname?"
I don't know what's going on now... :-/
Should I just drop the % from the post to avoid any future problems? :)

@Werner which original q, the one you just answered or the one about % ?

9:48 PM
@DavidCarlisle The one about the % that you asked.

@Werner oh that's typed with my usual (in)accuracy sorry, there is a "not" missing from that:-)

@DavidCarlisle A very important word, that little one. :)

@DavidCarlisle Good thing this chat is not archived... ;)
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@Werner true, and shows why I shouldn't ask questions. I'll leave that to egreg

He asks such good questions :)

9:52 PM
@SeanAllred speak of the devil

Oh hello, egreg :) We were just talking about you

@DavidCarlisle I listened to @PauloCereda's UK-TUG talk. You may have some future arara questions though. Come on over to the dark side...
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Oh yes @PauloCereda: so I have to explain now to my family why I'm "naughty"
@Werner It's too hard getting arara to run in my setup:-)

@Werner Good talk, wasn't it :-)

@JosephWright Yes. Somehow, from the ducks and masks posted in chat, it adds some personality to @PauloCereda as well. Something surely lacking when just stuck in chat all day.

9:55 PM
@Werner Though oddly not been watched as many times at the one by some bloke called Dave
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@JosephWright Hmmm... I know much preparation was put in for this one. Ha ha!

@Werner Perhaps next year I'll try video (but on Skype that could be tricky)
@Werner Indeed

@JosephWright probably the title of that one lead people to hope that all the problems they were having would be fixed

@DavidCarlisle Could be
@DavidCarlisle Certainly our biggest hit to date

@JosephWright Oh, so recording the presenter rather than just the slide stream?

9:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle I once got something like 2000 blog views after a particularly interesting LaTeX post
@Werner Yes: Kaveh (our new chair) has proper experience of this so it might be a possible
@Werner Perhaps first I'll try the less ambitious target of capturing the screen output 'live' rather than having to rebuild it from the PDFs + audio after the event
Then again, to date people seem to like the recordings

@JosephWright how many views?

@DavidCarlisle 34

@JosephWright OK a lot more than in the room, but less than typical "trending on youtube" videos

@DavidCarlisle Yes

@DavidCarlisle Oh, no doubt.

10:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda is catching up (only 1 behind)

@JosephWright the numbers are only visible in your admin interface not in the public view?

@DavidCarlisle I think so
On the Mac OS X TeX list
From: Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>

Hello fellow-TeXusiasts,

My previous book (Mastering ArchiMate) had to be done in Adobe InDesign. But my next book (Chess and the Art of Enterprise Architecture), to be released in January, has been typeset with TeX (using ConTeXt), character protrusion and all.

See enterprisechess.com for the first announcements.

G

PS. And our gardener is still Mr. Knuth. Really :-)

10:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle Uh-oh. :)
@DavidCarlisle Tell them about emacs. :)

@JosephWright Neat.

@David: The :wq part was a nice touch. :)
@JosephWright wooooo!

@PauloCereda it's all Portuguese to me

@DavidCarlisle A language you master, of course. :)

@PauloCereda thanks anyway!

10:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle My pleasure. :) Sorry for the bad handwriting. :)

11:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle: Remove the tag as well as the signature in the post you just edited.

@Werner yes perhaps (I see you did it) I got distracted as an answer was posted (then immediately deleted I think)

@DavidCarlisle Yuup.

11:19 PM
@JosephWright i just noticed I got a badge yesterday, maybe I should have used it for my talk.

11:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle You're grabbing at straws here, unless you were planning on giving away a BMW.

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