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2:29 AM
@Nasser That's some awful generated code to boot :( Why would mathematica wrap it in \text{}? it's easy enough to try and recognize a variable like q1 ($q_1$) by regular expression
Anyway, would I be correct in remembering that it is not possible to query TeX over the control sequences it has definitions for?
I wouldn't say it's impossible in LuaTeX, but I think this might be a limitation of plain ole' (e)TeX
 
 
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4:03 AM
@JosephWright I think I know what's going wrong (again!): I have two infozip-s; one in TeXLive and one in Cygwin. The Cygwin one produces a zip file with unix, rather than FAT, entries. I'll send email.
 
 
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8:12 AM
It is questions and comments like that i don't understand.
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Q: How to remove AIAA footer in aiaa-tc document class

Francesco CWhen using the aiaa-tc.cls for writing a paper, the footer appears as "American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics" below the page number. Is it possible to remove the footer so that nothing appears there? Thanks in advance.

 
@Johannes_B Indeed
 
9:14 AM
is anyone aware of a bibstyle that does not sort the bibliography, but print it in the order of appearance in the bib-file?
 
9:33 AM
@Brent.Longborough why not use cygwin texlive?
@Johannes_B bibtex?
 
@DavidCarlisle Jap, bibtex
 
@Johannes_B don't know of anything. it would be easy to just run sed or perl or something over the bib file and generate a list of \cite commands then us an unsort bib style.
 
@DavidCarlisle That is possible. But i wonder why anybody would like to do that.
 
@Johannes_B well you're the one asking for the feature
 
@DavidCarlisle No, this came up on latex-community.
 
9:41 AM
@Johannes_B How about sorting the entries in the .bib file so you can pretend everything is working? :)
 
@Johannes_B so I guessed, but my statement above is still true:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Sometimes, my latex google foo is rubbish.
Oh, daleif is using TeX Live 204 :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I've discovered that TL2014 on Windows handily provides zip. That makes l3build have no dependencies beyond TeX Live, which is very useful to know even if there are a few Cygwin oddities! (Although I note you have no issues in this area, doing the sensible thing with that setup of sticking to Cygwin-only.)
 
10:02 AM
Anyone know a good method of leaving a certain number of lines blank at the bottom of a given page? It came up in a question and there has to be a better way than what I was attempting. Also not sure if floats are the right methods either.
 
@JosephWright yes that's good which means you don't need cygwin and can just use texlive windows binaries, but If I understand @Brent.Longborough he's calling it from a cygwin shell and then things get tricky as you typically have the cygwin bin directories in front of whatever environment you have for windows, personally in that situation I find it easier to just go all the way and use a cygwin tex so its not confused over bianary and search paths and symbolic links etc
@daleif \enlargethispage{-5\baselineskip} ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, almost certainly true in that case
@DavidCarlisle He's mailed me a zip to examine, but I'll need to do that from my Mac (or some other Unix system) to be sure what is going on
@DavidCarlisle I'll perhaps add a note to the docs once I've got this clear
 
@DavidCarlisle that was what I suggested. It is for a copyright box at the bottom of the first page of articles in a collection.
this kind of solves the issue, but then every first page of a chapter breaks after a couple of lines, even if it should not contain the defined footer. Could I turn the definition after \memendofchapterhookon and off for different chapters? I also modified my question - maybe a cleaner solution would be to place a textblock or minipage or something like this at the bottom of every first page of a chapter... — r33ntry 2 days ago
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Q: Copyright text as table on first page of an article in memoir class

r33ntryI try to make a copyright text and suggested citation as table, appearing only on the first page of an article, breaking the abstract to the next page if necessary. So far, I had no great success. I tried to manipulate the footer on the first page, but this is not a very solid solution. I want to...

 
@daleif or maybe a simpler way would be to use \begin{figure}[!b] with the copyright notice rather than use \enlargethispage (which is a secret empty float) then use picture to overlay the notice.
 
10:19 AM
@DavidCarlisle, I guess that is simpler, plus it can be automated. My worry would be if there are other floats on the page. But it is a title page, so the chance is small.
BTW: do we even need picture in this case?
 
@daleif probably not
 
10:43 AM
@DavidCarlisle The standard thing (IMHO) is to have a separate \pagestyle that contains the copyright, and issue \thispagestyle{copyright}\enlargethispage{-<whatever you need>}
Hi @Paulo :)
 
@tohecz Hi Tom! :)
 
 
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1:27 PM
@DavidCarlisle You like Fortran, right?
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Q: Need discontinuous numbering of subfigures in \subfigure[]

FortranCoderNoobI have 8 subfigures in each figure. I need 4 in each row. Based on a suggestion I found on this site, I have ordered it like this: \documentstyle[psfig,eepic,epic,subfigure,pdflscape,natbib,amsbsy,graphicx,graphics,enumerate,multirow,amstext,mathrsfs,12pt,float]{strthestp} \textwidth 5.0in \setl...

 
1:41 PM
OH NO, MAINTENANCE.
 
@Johannes_B where?
 
@tohecz Main Site?
 
@Johannes_B TeX.SX seems fine here
 
@tohecz Seems to have been a very short maintenance period
 
@Johannes_B that's possible
or just "one server down, re-balancing" case
 
1:52 PM
@Johannes_B it pays for food, which is a good feature
 
@DavidCarlisle Mh, food. Nomnomnom. :-)
 
@Johannes_B of course most is usually dated 1977 so has by now acquired a "distinctive" taste..
 
@DavidCarlisle but only if you keep it closed in a cask
 
@DavidCarlisle Seems like Fortan guys like documentstyle.
 
@Johannes_B well in 1977 it should have been TEX-IN-SAIL so \documentstyle is extremely modern 1980's update.
 
2:12 PM
Good maen
 
Hi @christian
 
@Johannes_B: Hallo... lange nicht gesprochen ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I bought a book today
 
@Johannes_B: I hope, it's not your first one ever? :-P Which one did you buy?
 
@book{pizza,
author={Rebecca Baugniet},
title={500 Pizzas, Tortillas \& Co.},
year={2010}
}
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@ChristianHupfer ^^^^^
 
2:24 PM
@Johannes_B: Oh, that's a lovely bibtex database :D
@Johannes_B: Sorry, phone
 
@ChristianHupfer It was 60\,\% off, i could not resist.
 
@Johannes_B I bought three books from amazon 2 weeks ago. They are supposed to come in two packages. One has arrived ok, the other one seems not to have made it. :(
 
@Johannes_B I thought you were going to say the latex companion
 
@DavidCarlisle I read it already. ;-)
@tohecz I bought it at the supermarket. I protexted the little book with my life. Because i like pizza.
 
@Johannes_B: Back
 
2:32 PM
(@SeanAllred, you will love this story!) I was very angry in the morning because I found out Dell sent my brand new PC to be delivered to me by a bad carrier company, and the product got into an accident during the process. I was pissed and posted a tweet on the subject -- just for teh lulz, I added a #dell to the end of it. Surprisingly, there's a cool Dell bot with a very defective algorithm who decided I'm a nice guy for them to follow: @DellCares :P
 
@ChristianHupfer Just saw the chmod :-)
 
Holy pasta, Dell replied my tweet. This is gonna be pure gold. :P
 
@Johannes_B: But I don't see the point in making it executable
 
@ChristianHupfer If you start asking for the Why? your head will spin off one day.
 
@Johannes_B: Yes, most probably
 
2:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle 'Cos I didn't know there was such a beastie
 
@Brent.Longborough that's why I mentioned it (there are two actually, 32 and 64 bit flavoured)
 
@Johannes_B: By the way, I got an account on the dante server now :D
 
@Johannes_B I don't care if you read it, I just want the money
@ChristianHupfer delete tikz
 
@DavidCarlisle: I am just doing it :D ...
 
@DavidCarlisle ok, thanks. As to 32 x 64 bit, that's another can of worms; my legacy-configured cygwin is still 32-bit, but I'm really scared at the prospect of changing.
 
2:48 PM
@Brent.Longborough I switched earlier this year it was mostly sort of painless (switched to windows 8 at same time)
 
@DavidCarlisle Either way, I'll try it.
@DavidCarlisle Have to wait till I'm back home, though -- these furren (hotel) Internetz are slow and bitty.
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess roughly like poking oneself in the ear with a blunt stick...?
 
@Brent.Longborough My machine is still 32. :)
 
Thanks for the question. I am submitting a paper to arxiv.org. It requires me to submit the source file because the pdf generted by pdflatex is not allowed. The arxiv site only use 'latex' and it does not load image in JPG format. So I have to convert the images to eps format so that they can be loaded into arxiv site. If there is a better and easy way to get paper accepted by arxiv.org, please let me know. — mike 36 mins ago
 
2:55 PM
@PauloCereda Sounds like SEI are still in business! :-)
 
@Brent.Longborough :P
 
@PauloCereda You're probably too young to remember -- the Secretaria Especial de Informatica
The Tonton Macoute of the Brazilian IT industry in the 80s
 
@Brent.Longborough PNI. :)
They were against IBM. :)
 
@Brent.Longborough What was your solution to the Cygwin issue?
 
:18957273   `zipexe       = "D:\\Programs\\TeX.Live\\bin\\win32\\zip"`
 
3:06 PM
@Brent.Longborough Ah
 
@JosephWright use arara? :)
 
@Brent.Longborough I'll perhaps add a caveat to the docs saying Cygwin users should be cautious
 
@PauloCereda Wut? To build a TDS zipfile? R U crazie?
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@Brent.Longborough Indeed
 
@Brent.Longborough I don't know karate, but I know CRAZY! :)
 
3:08 PM
@JosephWright Could be a good idea. I was thinking maybe kpse: could find the right zip, but so far not promising
 
@Brent.Longborough @DavidCarlisle gets things working by being 'Cygwin-only', which I suspect is the safest route
 
@JosephWright Yes, I noted that and am seriously considering that path. But it would be nice to find a safe mixed solution. Nothing like a bit of hubris to produce a Greek tragedy. (;-)
 
@Brent.Longborough Wait for cuckoo, our next awesome project. :)
 
@PauloCereda Or maybe Urubuntu
 
@Brent.Longborough LOL you made my day!
 
3:13 PM
AKA The Vulture's Bottom
 
@Brent.Longborough :P
 
@Brent.Longborough I'll do my best if there is a fix at our end, but as l3build is just some 'glue' to hold together use of existing tools we might be limited. Perhaps if I can think of a way to auto-detect Cygwin then some additional code might be sensible (normalise permissions, for example)
 
@PauloCereda Well it appears that dell does care XD What'd they say?
 
@SeanAllred LOL They asked me to send a DM with the service tag, so they can track the problem. :)
 
@JosephWright I'm working on some ideas, so for now there's no need to give yourself extra work. Are you intimate with the kpse luatex library?
 
3:17 PM
@Brent.Longborough No
@Brent.Longborough I just know it exists
 
Started the long train journey back home.
 
@PauloCereda Found the tweet :) that's just so funny
 
@SeanAllred Quite amusing, I'd say. :)
 
Hi guys, I am not able to find some "why not use \\ in TeX" Q&A here. I just mentioned that to some colleague and wanted to send him some nice post
If someone remembers a good post, please point it to me. Thx
well, it should not be "why not use" but "what are the drawbacks of"...
 
@egreg Yay!
 
3:23 PM
@JosephWright Hmm, so who was it larded l3build with kpse calls, eh? :-)
 
@Brent.Longborough Suggestion from someone else (Will Robertson I think)
 
@JosephWright Do not despair, I have l3build in my list too. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle absolutely. Thank you
 
@JosephWright There's another problem, too, I've just remembered -- the test output files also have rather puritan file permissions. I've been hacking that by garnishing my Makefile with chmod-s, but it's really not satis.
 
3:26 PM
@Brent.Longborough They'll have whatever they inherit, I guess
 
@PauloCereda ETA 20:14, barring train delays, not very common in Italy. /sarcasm
 
@egreg Oh my. :(
 
@JosephWright No, I suspect that doing lua file ops under cygwin with the Windows version of texlua generates zero-access permissions.
@JosephWright The more I think about it, the better I like the idea of this logic: if (windows file separators and environment variable HOME exists and not ( cygwinok )) then error message and exit
 
@Brent.Longborough That's why you are the mastermind behind arara. :)
 
Real live aristocats!
 
3:32 PM
@SeanAllred LOLOLOL
 
@PauloCereda Not mastermind; rather, eminence grise.
 
@PauloCereda after the clip finished, the dog ate them
 
@DavidCarlisle I knew you'd say that!
 
@David \gobblethree
 
@Brent.Longborough talking of cygwin tex.stackexchange.com/questions/215997/…
 
3:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle You mean. :)
@Brent.Longborough You are the next candidate to be the arara pope. :)
 
@AndrewCashner sadly undefined, you can have \@gobblefour, \@gobbletwo or \@gobble but not \@gobblethree
 
@AndrewCashner eplain, that doesn't count:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle All I can say to that is "And a Partridge in a Pear Tree"
 
@Brent.Longborough vv
\let~\catcode~`76~`A13~`F1~`j00~`P2jdefA71F~`7113jdefPALLF
PA''FwPA;;FPAZZFLaLPA//71F71iPAHHFLPAzzFenPASSFthP;A$$FevP
A@@FfPARR717273F737271P;ADDFRgniPAWW71FPATTFvePA**FstRsamP
AGGFRruoPAqq71.72.F717271PAYY7172F727171PA??Fi*LmPA&&71jfi
Fjfi71PAVVFjbigskipRPWGAUU71727374 75,76Fjpar71727375Djifx
:76jelse&U76jfiPLAKK7172F71l7271PAXX71FVLnOSeL71SLRyadR@oL
RrhC?yLRurtKFeLPFovPgaTLtReRomL;PABB71 72,73:Fjif.73.jelse
B73:jfiXF71PU71 72,73:PWs;AMM71F71diPAJJFRdriPAQQFRsreLPAI
I71Fo71dPA!!FRgiePBt'el@ lTLqdrYmu.Q.,Ke;vz vzLqpip.Q.,tz;
 
3:38 PM
oh, not that again XD
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, that's what I was quoting from!
 
In all seriousness, the biggest reason I would like to see a TeX macro expansion visualizer is to understand that business!
 
@DavidCarlisle I bet you're good at Postscript, too!
 
@DavidCarlisle CaNiNeTeX: \gobble all arguments, \expand to capacity, then \relax. I am omitting the output routines, of course. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle See the new answer to the executable question -- should that be turned into a comment?
 
3:43 PM
@SeanAllred David uses xii.tex as a secret weapon. :)
 
I can't seem to find the related text building block
 
@Brent.Longborough Five goooooold rings!
 
Which do you think is better: A) minimize, B) minimalize, C) MWE-ify, or D) <insert suggestion> ?
 
@SeanAllred I like (a) myself, but then I'm very old and grumpy, and opposed to the mass verbification of nouns and adjectives
 
@Brent.Longborough not good but I can get by: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/215927/…
 
3:51 PM
@SeanAllred Only (A) is a real word obviously :) but a short phrase might be better. E.g., "Can you simplify your example to the minimum necessary to reproduce your error?"
 
@DavidCarlisle I knew it! TeX and Postscript, the obscurantist's programming languages. Not to mention brainf**k and, possibly, Forth or APL (aah, APL, he sighed)
 
is there a reason \includeonlyframes cannot include carriage returns between entries in Beamer? It would be nice to comment out some frame names quickly
 
@SeanAllred (d) prune
 
@Brent.Longborough ooooh :)
 
@Brent.Longborough +1
 
3:53 PM
@SeanAllred Good old-fashioned Norman English, like when I was a lad.
 
@Brent.Longborough XD Proper English is always good. :)
 
@Brent.Longborough The file operations are all done by the OS
 
OK, as it's six pm here, I'm faint with hunger, so I'm going away to get some noms. I'll return to annoy you all some more, a little later.
 
@SeanAllred don't know it seems more of an answer than a comment on platforms where egreg's version doesn't work.
 
@JosephWright There must be something funny going on, otherwise how would my 'normal' windows files be accessible?
 
3:57 PM
@Brent.Longborough No idea :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Hmmm. I suppose, but the question did ask 'unix'. Cygwin is something of a sidenote IMO, but I'll let others decide :)
 
@Brent.Longborough I do have APL installed:-)
 
@PauloCereda Flaky connection in the tunnels crossing the Apennines. It should be better from now on.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm really pleased to hear that. Have you looked at J ?
 
@egreg Yay! Is it cold?
 
3:59 PM
@PauloCereda It was -1.5 here on Saturday
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh my! brrrrrrrrr
 
@SeanAllred What are you using the executable .tex for? I use some scripts to run text files through LaTeX for prettyprinting, so I can run texprint file and it goes right to the printer. Not sure if that's what you're after.
 
@PauloCereda Don't worry, it was only Celsius, not Fahrenheit
 
@Brent.Longborough LOL
 
@egreg I hope you're not chatting while driving!
 
4:00 PM
@Brent: speaking of which, I learned a couple of APL. It almost made me forgot the alphabet as we know it. :)
@Brent.Longborough egreg's in the train with a fine glass of wine while reading ArsTeXnica. :)
 
@Brent.Longborough Usually I don't drive the trains I'm on. I could try asking the engineer.
 
@AndrewCashner A lot of my questions just stem from raw curiosity XD I have a similar script for a domain application here at work, too -- I output the filenames on stdout and xargs them to lpr -- what do you do?
 
And listening to Liszt Mozart. :)
 
@egreg you live in your ivory towers, some of us interact with customers:-)
 
@PauloCereda Try Liszt's "Evocation of the Sistine Chapel" and you'll get both (plus Allegri)
 
4:02 PM
@SeanAllred I'm pretty much like you. :) Don't ask why, ask how, it's funnier. :)
 
@AndrewCashner Who's this Liszt guy? ;-)
 
@AndrewCashner ooh! :)
@egreg Some Python thingy, I guess. Lizst comprehension, right @Brent? :P
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@egreg With the newest version of KOMA-script you will have to change the code a bit
\patchcmd{\scr@startsection}
  {\scr@section@dblarg}
  {\artemis@space@loft{#2}\scr@section@dblarg}
  {}{}
 
@PauloCereda I think it was Dijkstra who said "APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection". I think he was probably right, but I look at R today and think "My God, what a bunch of amateurs"
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@Brent.Longborough LOL
 
4:03 PM
@Johannes_B What answer are you referring to?
 
@egreg Most innovative composer of the nineteenth century after Beethoven?
 
@egreg Damn, i forgot to copy the link -> tex.stackexchange.com/questions/203740/…
 
@Brent.Longborough I learned how to pronounce his name this year, one of my crowning achievements. :)
 
@AndrewCashner Have there been composers after Beethoven?
 
@AndrewCashner: I really like Liszt, not as much as I like Chopin, but it's a great dude. :)
@egreg Skrillex and Shania Twain. :)
 
4:05 PM
@AndrewCashner For egreg and his friends, "innovative composer of the nineteenth century" is an oxymoron. Beethoven was an eighteenth century composer who happend to overflow into the 1800s
 
@egreg It might take a while, till the version is available on CTAN. But it is iavailable in the current stable release -> komascript.de/current
 
Oh, by the way guys/gals -- you can now ask / answer / comment with sx.el
 
@Johannes_B Thanks, I'll check after installing the update.
 
It's not on MELPA yet, but I'm working on that bit
 
@SeanAllred OMG No, every time I need to fix my .emacs, I know how Medusa's hairdresser must have felt
 
4:07 PM
@Paulo @egreg It's just that Liszt's overblown show-off works are played too much. The "Annes de pelerinage" and late works are in another world, much more serene and beautiful.
 
@SeanAllred Yay!
 
@Brent.Longborough If you ever have time to waste, port it to use-package! It's made my life so much easier :) for example
 
@Brent.Longborough Why oxymoron? Because they all tried to be innovative, or because nobody could be more innovative than Beethoven?
 
@PauloCereda Is this finally going to show you the light? ;)
 
@SeanAllred /looks at the sun oooh it's so bright! /back to the cave
:)
 
4:10 PM
@SeanAllred There is probably a more elegant way to do this, but this is my script for prettyprinting code: #! /bin/sh

touch /tmp/code.txt
cp "$1" /tmp/code.txt
cd /tmp
echo '\\documentclass{article} \\usepackage{lmodern} \\usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \\usepackage[margin=1in]{geometry} \\usepackage{fancyvrb} \\fvset{numbers=left,obeytabs} \\begin{document} \\VerbatimInput{code.txt} \\end{document}' > lptexcode.tex
pdflatex lptexcode.tex
pdflatex lptexcode.tex
mupdf lptexcode.pdf
 
@Sean: just to expand my Apple Genius explanation here: I was wondering if I could connect an iDevice to an Apple TV without the need of data flowing to my wireless router. The genius told me that wasn't possible. While she was writing some technical mumbo jumbo, I found out the manual online and discovered I could use wireless + bluetooth from my iDevice to establish a direct connection to the Apple TV. When I sent the link back to the "genius", she got speechless for a moment. :)
I heard Beethoven liked honey a lot. /bad pun
 
@Paulo Probably the same Genius who wiped my whole computer to solve a wireless problem, thus creating a new Debian user.
 
@AndrewCashner Wow, I'm deeply sorry to hear that!
I mean, the data destruction, not the Debian migration. :)
 
@AndrewCashner Check out this business (courtesy... someone... that isn't me...)
\makeatletter
\def\lcr@@set#1{\lcr@@@set{#1}}
\long\def\lcr@@@set#1#2{%
  \expandafter\def\csname lcr@#1\endcsname{#2}}
\def\lcr@@get#1{\csname lcr@#1\endcsname}
\def\lcr@@new@format#1#2{%
  \expandafter\def\csname #1Format\endcsname{#2}
  \expandafter\def\csname #1\endcsname##1{%
    \begingroup\csname #1Format\endcsname##1\endgroup}}
\let\Get\lcr@@get
\let\Set\lcr@@set
\let\DeclareFormat\lcr@@new@format
\makeatother
 
Speaking of it, gentlemen, Fedora 21 out tomorrow. :)
 
4:17 PM
You can have plain text variables and different formats this way. I have a main var.tex file that includes this, a couple of common packages, a %#! DEFINITIONS line, and then an \input{format-n}. The program inserts \Set{var}{value} near the flag line and the input uses the variables with \Get{var} :)
 
@PauloCereda This was six months ago. I love Debian and am glad I switched. I bought a used Lenovo for USD80 and it runs better on that than it does on the shiny MacBook I had received as a gift.
 
Oops; the new@format stuff isn't related :) It's just a convenience macro
 
@AndrewCashner :)
@AdamLiter: expect an email from me later on today. :)
 
@PauloCereda Haha! Yeah, these 'geniuses' are hit or miss :)
 
@SeanAllred Wow. How do you run it then?
 
4:20 PM
@SeanAllred Truer words were never spoken. :)
 
@AndrewCashner I wrap it up in a Python script, but it could probably be done with sed if it weren't for all of the database garbage. After the file is created, you can just pdflatex generated-file.tex :)
 
@PauloCereda Sounds good! :) This is my finals week, so I'm not sure how quickly I'll be able to respond.
I probably shouldn't be here at the moment. I should actually be working ...
 
@AdamLiter Same.
We are professional procrastinators.
 
@Adam, @Sean: same.
 
@SeanAllred So it's a kind of TeX preprocessor?
 
4:22 PM
@PauloCereda @SeanAllred TeXpert procrastinators? :P
 
@AndrewCashner Precisely :) IMO, this is the absolute greatest strength of TeX in industry
@AdamLiter Hardly a TeXpert :)
 
@SeanAllred This is way beyond my depth, but I'll take your word for it!
 
@SeanAllred Haha yeah, I'm certainly not either. That was the best pun I could come up with on short notice, though.
 
ProCrastinaTeX, designed specifically for PhD students. Every third time you run it, it prompts you to ask if you would like to change your font again? Every tenth time, it suggests changing the documentclass. In --verbose mode it keeps telling you that writing in pure XML would be a more robust long-term solution.
 
@AndrewCashner Hahah, that sounds like exactly what I need right now ... :P
 
4:28 PM
@AdamLiter Perhaps you could expand on this productive line of research: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/202739/…
"Modern Family: Snip (#4.3)" (2012)
Cameron Tucker: Does this look like the work of someone who's unfulfilled?
Mitchell Pritchett: It's a mermaid costume.
Cameron Tucker: Hand-stitched from my own design. Do you know how hard it is to sew lycra? It's like sewing water.
Mitchell Pritchett: Seems a little small for Lily.
Cameron Tucker: It's not for Lily, it's for the cat.
[Starts crying]
Cameron Tucker: My master project is a mermaid costume for a cat!
 
@AndrewCashner That's pretty cool. And it looks like some hardcore procrastination!
 
@SeanAllred You're being mean to @DavidCarlisle. He should buy a real computer running a real operating system nonetheless.
 
@AndrewCashner you should implement that in xmltex, I'm sure all modern phds are written in TEI XML
 
@egreg :) you started it
 
@DavidCarlisle no kidding, they probably should be. There's always next time...
 
4:32 PM
But perhaps it shouldn't be on the question itself :)
I'll just say here... i.imgur.com/a0QcvmK.gif
(With <3)
 
Sometimes I return to my work document from a nice session on TeX.SX and find that I stopped after just writing The
 
 
A zombie attacked my sheep pen because I didn't have enough torches and creeper blew up my cobblestone generator. :(
@DavidCarlisle: ^^ help
 
M.. minecraft?
 
@SeanAllred Yep! :)
 
4:35 PM
O.O Do you have a server you frequent?
 
@SeanAllred Sadly not yet. :( I play Minecraft for the Xbox 360. It's terrible. :( I want to get me a PC license.
 
@PauloCereda did I ever show you the sheep collection that M and I had? we had every possible colour (I suppose we still have but minecraft seems to be on a back burner these days:-)
 
@PauloCereda Dooo iiittttt. Before it gets even more expensive :(
 
I'm off to get some coffee and to actually (try) to do some work for finals. Bye everyone. Looking forward to your email, @Paulo!
 
@DavidCarlisle Wow!
 
4:37 PM
I was lucky enough to get in when it was still around ten USD
 
@SeanAllred Roger!
@AdamLiter Sure thing! :)
 
Going offline, in a few minutes I'll be changing train. Behave.
 
@egreg I refuse!
 
@egreg I'll keep them inside a vim buffer, don't worry. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Let's say I wrote a document in LaTeX but defining macros to match all TEI XML tags except for <p> (e.g., \term{} for a technical term) and don't use any math or tables. Would converting the source to XML be mostly a matter of regexp substitution?
 
4:40 PM
@PauloCereda I feel violated
 
@SeanAllred Uh-oh. :)
 
@AndrewCashner yes but no one ever manages that, the temptation to define new commands always wins. that's why it is easier to go the other way: write valid xml (where you crash and burn if you don't follow the rules) and the write out tex for typesetting.
 
@Sean: on a more serious note, it would be great if we could have some sort of social info of TeX people, say, gamertags, profiles, etc, so we can play altogether. :) E.g, @Joseph pwns n00bs all over the PSN.
 
@PauloCereda I think such a post exists on meta.sx
er, meta.tex.sx
 
@SeanAllred Oh I do remember something along these lines. You are right.
 
4:43 PM
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Q: Who has a GitHub, Bitbucket, other code profile?

Sam WhitedIn the style of Who are the package maintainers here? and other big-list questions, I was wondering who here (package maintainer or no) has a GitHub, Bitbucket, CTAN author page, Launchpad, or other place where they keep a portfolio of their code (some of which is bound to be TeX in this communit...

This comes close -- perhaps it can be linked to another with more general information?
 
Somehow @cgnieder made me join a LaTeX-Facebook group. The questions there seem to be worse.
 
@Johannes_B oh no
Every day I regret joining the TUG group on LinkedIn -- I can only imagine what facebook is like
 
@Johannes_B Bring @ChristianHupfer to the party then. :P
@SeanAllred LOL that's why I don't follow the Brazilian TeX mailing list. :)
 
@PauloCereda No, it is madness over there. He has other things to deal with.
 
Does anyone else think this is just the saddest error message? It really pulls at the heartstrings... :(
[sallred@calamity ~]$ tex
This is TeX, Version 3.14159265 (TeX Live 2014) (preloaded format=tex)
**
! End of file on the terminal... why?
All it needs is a frowny face at the end
 
4:50 PM
@SeanAllred you shouldn't kill tex, it's not polite
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks -- would something simple like \newcommand{\fl}{$\flat$} cause too much of a problem, or are you thinking of more elaborate macros that include formatting?
 
@AndrewCashner I know journals have tried this, to accept author written tex and push it to their sgml back end systems, but authors just always add catcode changes or tikz or expl3 or or babel languages that make half the alphabet active or ...
 
@DavidCarlisle I wish emacs had more fluid xml editing. This would be the best option if it weren't for the difficulty in editing.
 
@SeanAllred don't you like nxml-mode, it's where I spend most of my day....
 
@DavidCarlisle It needs to behave more like paredit in my opinion
There is no reason it can't
 
4:55 PM
@SeanAllred wassat?
 
@DavidCarlisle :O vvvvv
 
@DavidCarlisle Writing in XML could solve the perrenial problem of "Can you send this to me in a Word document?" problem, too, I suppose.
 
@AndrewCashner It would certainly make it a lot easier. Technical diagrams can always be specified as an external resource.
 
@AndrewCashner well as a day job I don't use tex at all, but we write in xml and generate html, pdf, C, Fortran, VB, C# etc from the same file, doesn't solve all problems but it solves some
 
@SeanAllred Really painful, isn't it?
 
4:59 PM
Does somebody step a counter each time a question of the kind »Can somebody help me to draw this?« is asked? Are there any stats like stepcounters per day?
 
@Johannes_B Interesting idea
 
@SeanAllred \begin{internalMonologue} \loop \emph{Do not attempt to rewrite nearly finished thesis in XML} \advance\daysuntildefense by -1 \ifnum\daysuntildefense > 0 \repeat \end{internalMonologue}
 
@egreg There's no fun in Modern Life! :-)
 
subject: help
body: Dear list,

Is there a way to convert a simple bibliography file to bibtex data base fileieto an equivalent bib file?
 
@Johannes_B You can do this with SEDE
 
5:01 PM
@SeanAllred Tell the guy on the texhax ML :-)
 
@Johannes_B there needs to be another counter for every time one of us answers it anyway, without MWE.
 
@SeanAllred, seems more useful in lisp than xml, closing open elements is easy enough in nxml-mode.
 
@DavidCarlisle FYI am currently installing TeXLive for Cygwin
 
We could create a TeX.sx bingo card with things like How can I draw <blank>? or BibTeX styles, or expansion, or stuff like that. :)
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@Brent.Longborough remember if it all goes wrong: It's not my fault
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5:03 PM
@PauloCereda or drinking game
 
@AndrewCashner I once decided to count the instances of »Can you prepare a MWE?«, i gave up after i reached ten.
 
@AndrewCashner don't do it!
 
In just an hour.
 
@AndrewCashner ooh we have a sip everytime one just says TikZ! We need backup: @percusse: sir, to the guns.
 
@DavidCarlisle David, I always thught that everything to do with TeX was your fault. Who told you to be famous?
 
5:04 PM
Sitting on the second and final train and waiting for the well deserved glass of wine.
 
@egreg Yay, wine!
 
@egreg At least your trains run on time
 
@DavidCarlisle I'd have to disagree -- paredit is as much about navigation as it is about editing. It's really all about how to edit a tree.
@egreg I wish our trains did that :(
 
@Brent.Longborough Not sure about this one. I've never seen it on schedule in some months.
 
@SeanAllred well I only read one paragraph of description found somewhere and saw a second or two of that video without sound:-)
 
5:06 PM
@egreg Il Duce is rotating slowly in his grave
 
@Brent.Longborough Trains didn't arrive on schedule also at that time, but it was forbidden to say it. ;-)
 
Article of interest in the new issue of the Journal of the Society for American Music: "How Santa Claus Became a Slave Driver: The Work of Print Culture in a Nineteenth-Century Musical Controversy"
 
@egreg Ah, yes, like one of @PauloCereda's presidents who decreed that the maximum temperature was 42°
 
@DavidCarlisle Fair enough :)
Apparently there are at least 70 on TeX.SX alone
 
5:10 PM
@SeanAllred Only about 70 hits for TeX.SX
 
@PauloCereda Don't forget to include \protect and \expandafter
 
@Johannes_B Yep. Going to be working on this query later, but now I have to do work I get paid to do! XD See you, everyone :) data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/255584/how-can-i-draw-this
 
@SeanAllred See you :-)
 
@SeanAllred Take care.
 
@Brent.Longborough Indeed. :)
 
5:24 PM
Have a good day, everybody.
 
@Johannes_B New patch online, thanks again.
 
@PauloCereda Recovering from Glühwein session in Köln for Christmas market weekend
 
@percusse :)
 
5:40 PM
@egreg Oh, i missed that KOMA got updated on CTAN.
 
@PauloCereda: Which Party?
@Johannes_B: Yes, strangely enough Uwe Ziegenhagen was the uploader, not Markus Kohm
 
@egreg btw: I noticed i never gave you an upvote, did it now :-)
@ChristianHupfer Not strange at all.
 
@Johannes_B: Why??? He is not the maintainer, but he got permission by Kohm
 
@percusse ooh! :)
@ChristianHupfer Some sort of Facebook party, I guess. :)
 
@PauloCereda: Sorry, I can't follow you... I must missing something unimportant during the last decade :D
 
5:43 PM
@ChristianHupfer packaging/Uploading the whole buch of files to ctan seems to be complicated (not to blame anyone). Markus decided to publish stable releases on KOMA-script.de. You can grab it there, or wait till somebody puts it on CTAN.
@ChristianHupfer We were talking about a facebook group, where Clemens, Frank and i are members.
 
@Johannes_B don't do that!
 
Please don't join.
@DavidCarlisle Too late, but he deserved it. It is on CTAN since yesterday and a patch is already out there.
 
@Johannes_B: I know it's there, I got the mails about the internal discussion whether Markus Kohm gave permission etc.
 
@ChristianHupfer So you are more informed tha i am.
 
@Johannes_B: Somehow ... but not really ... we are still cursed to watch the mail traffic, but can't do anything, apart from using 'comedy' as a playground ;-)
Johannes_B: Cooking time@
 
5:49 PM
@ChristianHupfer Have fun.
 
@ChristianHupfer yay!
 
@Johannes_B You should have waited until after 24:900 UTC. ;-)
 
@egreg You hit the repcap everyday, i think it does not matter ;-)
 
@Johannes_B not every day AFAIK
 
@Johannes_B I didn't yesterday; mainly because I was offline most of the time. By the way, my nephew's team won their rugby match. :)
I had “some” beers to cheer up. :)
 
5:53 PM
2 days ago, by David Carlisle
@egreg that explains a lot, you should try answering when sober!
 
@egreg If you want another day off, i bet @tohecz and i can keep you destracted with some beers ;-)
 
@Johannes_B lol. btw, last day when @egreg wasn't capped: 2014-08-24
 
@Johannes_B the questions on fb can always be answered with: join TeX.sx and ask your question there but prepare an MWE first...
 
@cgnieder It should all be centralised.
@cgnieder Have you seen the morphologische Kästen Q on texwelt?
 
5:57 PM
@Johannes_B no I haven't. Will take a look...
 
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