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19:11
@Werner Choose the opponents. :)
@Jake: apparently, including print in the package options work, but nothing is included. :(
BTW, I'm trying with \includestandalone{subdocument} instead of \input.
@PauloCereda I thought it would be a counterpart to !!/battle, seeing as David has a far lower inclination to click the voting buttons.
@Werner egreg votes a lot, he's already the 3rd top voter of all times. :)
This might be a thorn-in-his-side-yet-site-promoting inspriation.
@PauloCereda Yes!
I wonder who's on first. /insert Abbott and Costello joke here :)
!!/battle
@Werner you think so? I must admit it wouldn't have occurred to me to vote for that, passing \begingroup as an argument of a command has been a common error since forever.
19:13
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 320 vs. 295 David. So far, egreg is winning.
BTW, Brazil 1:0 Mexico.
@DavidCarlisle Sure, it has been, since I recall as well.
@DavidCarlisle Perhaps true to the definition of "up voting", the OP didn't "show any research effort, nor is it useful or clear".
So Community bumped this question from March. I guess it doesn't read very carefully. :)
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Q: online xetex compiler for calibri

Brian FeranAnyone know of an online service where a thesis can be typeset quickly with Calibri font ( which requires xetex)? I have to submit in a few hours and would like to get it done by someone who knows how to do it professionally!

@Werner I tend to vote for questions that uncover surprising behaviour, or for answers that are better (or quicker) than mine (which sadly means egreg gets some of them:)
@DavidCarlisle After so many years of using LaTeX, which questions still reveal "surprising" behaviour?
@Werner more than you might think:-)
19:19
@DavidCarlisle: Damn that @egreg...
!!/battle
@Werner Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 320 vs. 295 David. So far, egreg is winning.
:)
@DavidCarlisle Your voting count surely reflects it. ;)
@DavidCarlisle Remember that only voting for @egreg will be considered "serial voting", which could get you banned from this site.
...and with you gone, what good is !!/battle or !!/votebattle?
@Werner Heiko and Gonzalo get them too:-) and you
@DavidCarlisle Hilarious!
Has Heiko ever visit this fine establishment?
This is strange...
That's @HeikoOberdiek's user profile, yet it pulls someone else's details.
Oh, wait... it's a different profile on the chat room than in the default/main site(s).
/facepalm
19:36
@Werner guess who I just voted for.
@DavidCarlisle If it was under a minute ago, it must be me.
@Werner :-)
!!/votebattle: @DavidCarlisle just voted for @Werner, awesome!
@DavidCarlisle It's because of keyval, right...
@Werner wel l not because of the package (you could have used l3keys to go with xparse, and I'd still have voted) but just for steering the OP towards that kind of syntax
@DavidCarlisle So I'll take that being an answer that is better than yours... just kidding. The question wasn't well-formulated to start with...
I'm keeping the moderators busy... :-|
19:42
@Werner Wow!
@Werner well quicker given that you answered it before I saw the question:-)
@DavidCarlisle :)
@PauloCereda It doesn't come close to your voting count though... :)
25772 votes. It's important to observe that I lost 300 votes due to serial upvoting. :)
@PauloCereda You did?!
@Werner Yep. :(
19:45
@DavidCarlisle: See, @PauloCereda was almost banned from TeX.SE with his trigger-happy voting...
...Okay, seriously, I'm just pulling your socks, @DavidCarlisle.
Seriously. Don't look, but I'm pulling them.
@Werner If I'm gone, all my votes will be reset. Think of the living disaster! :)
@PauloCereda Like a natural TeX disaster. Things will never be the same.
@Werner When a user unregisters, all of the votes cast are removed. :)
@PauloCereda Oh, I thought only the user's accept votes are removed.
@DavidCarlisle What's with that post?
19:49
I feel so enraged that Fifa cuts our national anthem in half. It's so offensive.
@PauloCereda People continued singing it without the music. :)
@egreg Just couldn't resist... :)
@Werner I've used your movie data for answering the "key-value" question.
@egreg Best part of it. :)
@egreg No problem.
19:54
@Werner It's interesting because it uses property lists instead of lots of \csname defined macros.
@Werner it got a vote:-)
I'm trying to find an answer here:
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Q: How can I make a standalone document loading siunitx work?

JakeI've got a standalone document that uses siunitx: % subdocument.tex \documentclass{standalone} \usepackage{siunitx} \begin{document} \SI{10}{\kilo\newton} \end{document} I'd like to include this standalone document as a sub-document in a different document, using the standalone package. Becaus...

But no luck so far. :)
@egreg Yes, much better.
I can now avoid the error Jake mentions in the question, but nothing is included. :)
I have to go... my ride to the airport is arriving.
19:57
@PauloCereda better that than cutting your nation in half
@Werner oh no! Don't go!
@DavidCarlisle ooh! :)
@PauloCereda I won't be leaving forever...
@Werner awww <3
I am installing 2013 now on linux using the command sudo ./install-tl --gui=wizard and it is running now. I was wondering, is there a way it is storing a log file of this output coming to the screen so I can save it for reference? I forgot to pipe it to a file :

.....
Installing [2212/2691, time/total: 43:56/51:48]: sseq [144k]
Installing [2213/2691, time/total: 43:57/51:49]: stack [6k]
Installing [2214/2691, time/total: 43:57/51:49]: stage [55k]
Installing [2215/2691, time/total: 43:58/51:50]: standalone [464k]
@PauloCereda A step in the, um, right direction...? =)
20:07
@Jake Probably. :)
@Werner see sometimes I vote for the question and both competing answers:-)
@TorbjørnT. Hehe, didn't see that myself. You're right, that's a good one :)
@PauloCereda Apparently siunitx uses \l__siunitx_option_deactivate_clist at begin document, but this doesn't get defined. Weird interaction.
@egreg Oh my!
wow, installation is smart. It saves a log file on its own at the end.

 Most importantly, add /usr/local/texlive/2013/bin/i386-linux
 to your PATH for current and future sessions.

 Welcome to TeX Live!
Logfile: /usr/local/texlive/2013/install-tl.log

nice.
after installing TL2013, it only says to update these env. variables

 Add /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/doc/man to MANPATH, if not dynamically found.

 Add /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/doc/info to INFOPATH.

 Most importantly, add /usr/local/texlive/2013/bin/i386-linux
 to your PATH for current and future sessions.

what about TEXMFHOME and TEXINPUTS ? these not used?
20:33
@Nasser by default they are not used as environment variables (they are used if set) the same names are used as kpathse variables set in texmf.cnf (it's always been that way in web2c tex)
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. I need to read more about Latex installation and all the env. variables it uses. I had to set these for using make4ht on my other VBox, since make4ht is not included in LT and have to be installed separate and it needs these 2 env. variables set.
@Nasser don't know anything about make4ht but as far as I can see texlive's htlatex uses kpathsea as expected so uses texmf.cnf
20:59
@egreg: soon, Italy. :)
@PauloCereda At midnight, for us.
@PauloCereda I didn't see the whole match, but my dad says Brazil didn't play well.
@egreg Will you watch?
@PauloCereda Of course.
@egreg Brazil didn't play very well, but we have some great players. Neymar did a great pass for Jô to score the 2nd goal. :)
@PauloCereda Yes, indeed. I saw both goals.
21:02
@egreg I'll definitely watch Italy. :) Take your notebook to the living room, I'll post a lot of messages. :P
21:25
@PauloCereda @egreg You mean you're not watching the Stanley Cup?
@AlanMunn Oh! Should I? Who's playing it?
@AlanMunn Is it hockey, isn't it?
@egreg Chicago Blackhawks vs Boston Bruins. Two of the original six teams in the NHL.
Unfortunately here in the US it requires cable to watch; in Canada it was on the CBC.
@AlanMunn Wanna know how I knew it was hockey? :P
@AlanMunn IIRC the Bruins and the Celtics shared the Boston Garden.
21:28
@egreg Yes, that's true. I don't know the logistics of ice vs. wood works, though.
@AlanMunn: I associated the name to this South Park episode: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley%27s_Cup
@AlanMunn The wooden floor for basketball was easily removed, I believe. It was like a big puzzle.
@PauloCereda Ha ha, you would. :)
@AlanMunn Also at the Madison Square Garden they play ice hockey and basketball, I believe.
@egreg Yes, that sounds right. They are now making football pitches like that too (technology developed here at MSU).
@egreg Yes, also true.
21:33
Now with Latex doing graphics (Tikz, etc...) and special functions tex.stackexchange.com/questions/107423/erf-function-in-latex so, can one use Latex to replace programs such Maple and Matlab and Mathematica also?
I love Wikipedia categories: "Defunct indoor ice hockey venues in the United States"
Can I write finite element program in Latex?
And will it be fast?
@Nasser If it's possible: probably yes. Will it be fast: probably no. It doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
@AlanMunn does Latex have a vector and a matrix data struct? or just single variables?
I never programmed in Latex. I just use for text writing
@Nasser Before you think of using TeX for programming, read this:
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Q: Does TeX/LaTeX give a headstart with other programming languages?

Ayman ElmasryI've seen many programmers here at tex.se, and I'd like to know how they view TeX/LaTeX as a programming language in relation to other languages, and whether it would boost my progress as a beginner using other (non-typesetting related) languages, that is of course in an abstract or semantic sense.

21:43
@AlanMunn thanks, will look at it
@Nasser And when you're done with that:
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Q: What is the most bizarre thing you have seen done with TeX

XavierI think the questions says it all! :) By TeX, I mean any derivative of TeX as long as the code is clearly a derivative of TeX, i.e. that it could belong on TeX.SX (and not pure Lua for example). I'll give two answers myself so you see what I mean.

@PauloCereda Are you singing the National Anthem?
@egreg I am! Fratelli di Italia... :)
@egreg: Oh my, Japan is playing well!
22:05
@PauloCereda Indeed
@Nasser programming on latex is like programming in the c pre-processor without C, it is a macro expansion language. It doesn't have double (or single) precision numbers available in any real way (you can fake fixed precision using lengths) it doesn't have structs or arrays or matrices or any other datatype.
@David: quick, Italy is playing! :)
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. I read some of the reviews from Alan's links he showed. It does not look I'll be learning to program in it. But it is good for typesetting Math, so that is what I'll keep using it for. I program now mainly in Mathematica (it is functional programming language)
@PauloCereda oh hang on I'll check the score:
!!/cricket
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- England 179/3 * v South Africa 175/10
- Netherlands 188/7  v Nottinghamshire 190/6 *
- Leicestershire 231/10 * v Glamorgan 265/8
- Kent 337/7 * v Sussex 336/5

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.
22:10
@PauloCereda I don't see Italy listed ^^
@DavidCarlisle i was talking about football... :-)
!!/answer what is football?
If I had the pretest version of TL 2013 installed, can I now (that 2013 is public) simply change the repository to the main one and perform updates in the usual way?
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Query was not understood, no results available.
@GonzaloMedina Yes
22:13
@egreg Thanks. After doing so and attempting tlmgr update --self --all nothing has happened after 5 minutes. Perhaps the servers are too busy right now?
@GonzaloMedina There is no update, ATM
@GonzaloMedina Maybe your mirror isn't sync'ed yet. Ours in Brazil aren't.
@egreg Ah. I see.
@PauloCereda Congratulations to your football team!
@GonzaloMedina Thanks! :) It was an interesting game. :)
@PauloCereda What's this Copa Confederaciones?
22:17
Um, could one of the mathematically inclined people take a look at my question, and tell me if I'm making a fool of myself?
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Q: Dimensions of matrices in $(\mathbf{B}^T(\mathbf{G}^T\mathbf{G})^{-1} \mathbf{B})^{-1}$

JakeI'm trying to implement an algorithm from a paper on streamline tracing on a control volume finite element mesh (Painter et al, 2012). One of the equations includes this expression: $(\mathbf{B}^T(\mathbf{G}^T\mathbf{G})^{-1} \mathbf{B})^{-1}$ where $\mathbf{G}$ is a $n \times d$ matrix with $n>...

Kind of a little world cup?
@Jake I don't think there's any of those bizarre beings around here ;-)
@GonzaloMedina It's a tournament with 6 continental champions, the host country and the world champion. :)
@GonzaloMedina Hehe!
NOOOOOOO, ISO IS CORRUPTED!
@Jake It's wrong.
22:20
@egreg Okay, cool. Thank you!
OH NOOOOO! PENALTY!
@PauloCereda :(
@egreg And... well, goal. :(
OH NO, THE MACTEX ISO IS ALSO CORRUPTED.
@PauloCereda You mean from your download? Or the actual ISO?
@AlanMunn At least, my download. :) I'm downloading the ISO again just to be sure. :)
22:30
@PauloCereda Because mine worked fine: This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.5-1.40.14 (TeX Live 2013)
@AlanMunn I probably had some problem. Both ISOs (MacTeX and TL) were faulty.
@egreg: OH NO!
@PauloCereda Italy's not doing too well.
@PauloCereda Playing very bad.
@TorbjørnT. Yep.
@egreg Chiellini and Montolivo failed very bad. :(
@egreg Nah, Japan is playing good. But the second half will be different, when Japan gets tired
22:40
@egreg: GOAL!
@PauloCereda Delicious corner kick
@egreg Indeed. :)
@egreg: I'm very surprised, Pirlo does free kicks just like Juninho Pernambucano.
!!/battle
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 335 vs. 310 David. So far, egreg is winning.
310?
Oh, another unmerited bounty. :P
22:47
@egreg a new user gave up half his total rep without any warning for a tabbing answer:-)
@DavidCarlisle Still ahead for the month. :P
@egreg well you write better answers and score more points so it isn't really a fair battle
23:06
@PauloCereda Goal!
@PauloCereda Goal!
Two inexistent penalties.
@egreg: yay!^2 :)
@egreg: now Italy is playing better. :)
@PauloCereda It was hard to play worse. ;-)
@egreg LOL
23:25
@egreg: oh no!
23:39
@egreg: wow, what happened now? :)
@egreg: GOOOOAL!
@PauloCereda Play bad and win. ;-)
Well, let's wait.
@egreg Uh-oh, another shot for Japan.
Hey, G+ tells me that today is @WillRobertson's birthday! :)
@WillRobertson Happy birthday!
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@egreg You got lucky on this one. :)
@AlanMunn Quite.
23:54
@egreg: Prandelli said in the interview that the weather is very hot. :P
@PauloCereda Is it?
@egreg In the north/northeast region, is something very crazy. :) I have a friend who lives in João Pessoa and 25C is considered (for her) like a freezing winter. :)
@PauloCereda :)
Well, I'm calling it a day. Good night.
@egreg Buonanotte! :)
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