@Canageek people like pages, look at all the effort that goes into animating page turns in ebooks. technically you'd think an infinite scroll would make more sense but it disorients the reader. perhaps that'll change, but only if lots of documents go for that model and people get used to it
@DavidCarlisle Ok, played little more with htlatex configuration. Now it says it is monspace (I have a nice tool build into the browser which tells one what font they have when the mouse is over it.) but it still the apstrophe is not straight
This is what htlatex generates
<div class="fancyvrb" id="fancyvrb8"><a
id="x1-9002r1"></a><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> </span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> </span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> find</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> .</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> -name</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> "*.txt"</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> -exec</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> egrep</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> -l</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> </span><span
@DavidCarlisle But most web pages don't have pages. Ebooks have a physical size, right? Documents stay with it, but most of the reading I do that isn't physical books is webpages with physical scroll or blogs with articles, where each article is a page, not dependent on length. Heck, even TeX.SX isn't bound by page length.
@DavidCarlisle Also there is a definite movement on things like reddit and tumnblr and things to move to a infinite downwards scroll model where there are pages for memory/bandwidth reasons, but you load them by scrolling down instead of hitting a left-right button. I find it annoying, but only because it tends to be slow and not work super well.
And these are the .css related. So it is monospace. I guess mononspace alone does not do it?
/* start css.sty */
.ec-lmr-17x-x-120{font-size:170%;}
.ec-lmr-12x-x-120{font-size:120%;}
.ec-lmr-10x-x-109{font-size:90%;}
.ec-lmtt-12{ font-family: monospace;}
.ec-lmtt-12{ font-family: monospace;}
.ec-lmtt-12{ font-family: monospace;}
.ec-lmtt-12{ font-family: monospace;}
.ec-lmtt-12{ font-family: monospace;}
it is funny, because it seems all what htlatex needed to do is just this:
<html>
<body>
<PRE>
'test'
</PRE>
</body>
</html>
The above shows correct as HTML. Straight up and not bent.
@Canageek yes it's hard to know you can give the appearance of an infinite scroll without actually loading the entire page just loading on demand so really it's just a matter of presenting things the way people want. when we first produced the mathml spec (8 chapters and half a dozen appendices one page each) people were shocked at the size of the chapters and with sample images took an hour to download over the phone, but I now produce a single page version of the whole thing.
@DavidCarlisle I figured. I wonder if someone could write a package where it would get your phones screen size and automatically compile it for that page size, at compile time, rather then me having to figure out the resolution I am running at for each device...
@Nasser well no because users (like you) keep pushing for output to be closer to the pdf so it is giving the possibility to be styles with lmtt, whereas if you just use <pre> you get whatever the reader has specified for monospace
@DavidCarlisle it really has nothing to do with the font. I even deleted the .css file that was generated by tex4h, and the page still had the wrong single quote. tex4ht uses ’ for some reason there. And nothing I could do about it. I put the page here if any like to see for themselves
@DavidCarlisle but it is really very important to get this right. I was thinking to use latex to document all my notes, (some of which now in WORD and HTML) which has tones of verbatim in it. I can't do it if htlatex changes the single quote to slanted one. some of these are commands, and want to be able to copy it as is from the page. It can't change.
it is only this single char that giving it hard time for some reason. apostrophe. There is even a whole WIKI page on it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe
Would this be OK to ask on main board about this? I can make a small MWE?
@Nasser well I was referring to your comment that it could have just generated a simple pre. if it's generating a right quote character something is wrong. as I said before what happens if you use verbatim (of course if you can't figure out the htlatex config it's trivial to change afterwards sed -ie "s/’/'/g" file.html
@Canageek mine isn't :-) (It can just about do phone calls:-)
@DavidCarlisle OK, but these solutions are patching things afterwords, and they do not really work well in the main workflow. After a while, one ends up with 100's of little patch here and there. It is better to try to fix things in the source if possible. I have make files that run over large tree. I can't start adding sed and grep commands for this and that all over the place.
@Nasser well yes in that case you should be chatting in an htlatex forum not here, I haven't used it for 10 years or more:-) There isn't a workflow that isn't improved by the insertion of a few calls to sed:-)
@Nasser well that was easy just save a copy of lm-rep-cmtt.htf in the local directory with ’ changed to ' and you'll get straight quotes
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for finding this. I just did and nothing happend to the HTML. it is still the same. This is what I did : Downloaded the file to the same folder as the HTML. Edit and changed ’ to ' then saved it. Then reloaded the HTML file and nothing happeded. How is the HTML supposed to use this file? I need to learn more about this...
@Nasser well is your conversion using that file (the terminal output from htllatex shows the ones used) It depends on the fonts you specify in the source, I did a quick article class verbatim and converted with and without that change
@DavidCarlisle I do not really know what it uses. But I am trying to find where this file is upposed to go. I do not think putting it where the HTML file will do it. I think it needs to be somewhere else. will see
@DavidCarlisle OK, will play with it. THis is what the above part of the HTML file is
id="x1-90008"></a>search for string in files, where the string is at start of a line </h3>
<!--l. 77--><p class="noindent" >
<div class="fancyvrb" id="fancyvrb8"><a
id="x1-9002r1"></a><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> </span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> </span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> find</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> .</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> -name</span><span
class="ec-lmtt-12"> "*.txt"</span><span
@DavidCarlisle I'll use your sed trick. Tried it. Added it to the Makefile at the end of the build, and it works. So that is what I will do. I do not understand the above file at all. Thanks alot for your kind help.
so you haven't changed it it's still using 8217, instead of apos but also its using the ts1 encoding (probably because you specified textcomp in the source) so you probably edited the wrong htf file. Note if you want people to be able to cut and paste that as code you need to stop it using U+00A0 (nbsp) and use real space instead.
@DavidCarlisle yes, it should be here
>locate lm-rep-cmtt.htf
/usr/share/texmf/tex4ht/ht-fonts/unicode/lm/lm-rep-cmtt.htf
>
I'll edit that one instead and try now. will remove the one in the same folder.
@DavidCarlisle You said first to do this sed -ie "s/’/'/g" file.html then later said directory with ’ changed to ' Which one is it please?
@Nasser same thing most of the time ' is ' but if you hav euse ' to quoate an attribute as in <foo value=' ' > then you have to use ' not ' if you have inline scripts or style sections they are read verbatim so there you need ' but probably you havn't any ’ in them (they wouldn't ork) so probably changing to ' is safest
@DavidCarlisle I changed ’ since that was there in .htf file, and did not see ’ which is really what I need to change?
>diff lm-rep-cmtt.htf.SAVED lm-rep-cmtt.htf
41c41
< '’' '' 39
---
> ''' '' 39
>
>grep -i 8217 lm-rep-cmtt.htf
>
>
Rebuild, but it did NOT work. So I am now just using your sed command. I hope it will not replace something I want, that is what I was worried about. I added it to the Makefile
@pwd
make4ht $< "nma.cfg,htm,charset=iso-8859-1"
sed -ie "s/’/'/g" $(LATEX_INDEX).htm
@echo "================== FINISHED ======================================>"
@pwd
@Nasser im going to bed:-) decimal 8217 = hex 2019 so they are the same character but sed doesn't know that so you have to use whichever form is in the file you are editing
Or, perhaps more specifically, would a question specifically tailored to an epstool interaction with my LaTeX-produced picture be on-topic or off-topic?
@Nasser but generally I think it is better to asks questions in main forum than in chat, usually I see your questions twelve or more hours after you asked them
oops, correct path is texmf-dist/tex4ht/ht-fonts/unicode/lm/lm-rep-cmtt.htf
I love my Mac. Just unboxed my new printer, turned it on, and my Mac said, "Yo dude, you got a new printer! Wait a minute while I do all the work while you watch a funny cat video on YouTube." - success.
@egreg How does one avoid that problem in this case. I have just run a few diffirent variations and the reported stack sizes are the same. The variations I tried were \setlength{\len}...\global\len=\len, \setlength{\global\len} and \setlength{\len}...\global\nlen=\len each with \len (and \nlen) declared in the preamble by \newlength
yeh! the site works again in todays firefox nightly
@AndrewSwann the safe thing to do is always set a register locally or always set it globally, so \setlength{\len}...\global\nlen=\len you see save stack blowup if you repeat the local/global setting on the same register
@DavidCarlisle Trying a file that contains repeated instances of `\setlength{\xx}{10pt} {\setlength{\xx}{20pt}\global\xx=\xx}` and one without the `\global` statement, I see no change in the reported number of used stack positions, in this case `23i,1n,17p,139b,36s stack positions out of 5000i,500n,10000p,200000b,50000s`. Am I looking the wrong report?
Knuth says this in the texbook and when he says "it's usually wise to...` it means; DO WHAT I SAY OR ELSE but I'd need to be less tired to translate the example here to the latex setting
9
Explanation: The |\day| parameter is first restored to its global value~5.
Since this value is global, it will be retained, so the other saved values
(|\day=3| and |\day=1|) are essentially ignored. Moral: If you find \TeX\
retaining a lot of values, you have a set of macros that could cause
the save stack to overflow in large enough jobs. To prevent this, it's
usually wise to be consistent in your assignments to each variable that
you use; the assignments should either be global always or local always.
I love my Mac. Just unboxed my new printer, turned it on, and my Mac said, "Yo dude, you got a new printer! Wait a minute while I do all the work while you watch a funny cat video on YouTube." - success.
Morning all, and sorry to interrupt. I just supplied a blatantly rubbish answer to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/119624/… that @heiko-oberdiek corrected me on. Should I delete it, or leave it as a "how not to do it"?
Checking over the network stats (stackexchange.com/sites), I see we are still doing pretty well: 11th in terms of traffic, and top 10 for total questions. As there are now over 100 network sites, I think that's pretty good :-)
@ach We also do well in terms of moderation: not a heavy load, so only three mods needed (Unix/Linux also has three, but like us you don't end up there by accident ;-)
Reading the comments (carefully) on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/184154/…, I see we get a mention from one of the SE mods! 'TeX, for instance, will almost certainly want a "MWE required" rule (which they've been using TL+comments to enforce up to now), ...' (Shog9). Wow!
Implication is I guess we'll be using the new 'Unclear what you are asking' a lot
I think I'll just call that 'unclear'
Once the new system goes live, I think a meta question to make sure we are all clear on the appropriate uses might be a good plan
@PauloCereda I mean that it's probably only the master TL server (Aarhus?) at the moment: based on the time of day, Karl has probably just edited the website!
@JosephWright I'll wait to do the switch when the faster Italian mirror has the new version. All it's needed (at least on my laptop) is to go to the "TeX distribution" control panel and click. ;-)
I'll only need to update Metapost, probably, at least for the first time.
@egreg I've been keeping up to date on the pretest system, so I should already be good-to-go, but of course I'll update as soon as the mirrors update (Warwick for me)
@Ketan With respect to fonts, if you use XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX you can use any font on your system, so that would definitely be the way to go for that part. Since most poster packages are aimed at academic posters, I doubt that there is anything in particular created for kids.
You need to use
pdflatex -shell-escape yourfile
to allow the mp back end.
Also apparently for beamer you need to set the pointsize:
\documentclass{beamer}
\makeatletter
\def\@ptsize{10}
\makeatother
\usepackage[shellescape,latex]{gmp}
\usetheme{Montpellier}
\title{Something}
\date{\toda...
@DavidCarlisle Till made some odd/questionable decisions in creating beamer, several of which I can't really change (see the robust command issue, for example)
I only volunteered to help out with beamer, and was very pleased when Vedran stepped in, but he's not that active any more
First meta question from me on new closure system:
We will soon see the arrival of the new close reasons (a change begin implemented across the StackExchange network). This will raise a few question: here I want to focus specifically the 'off-topic' closure reason.
The 'off-topic' closure reason is being expanded, meaning that we will be able to...
@JosephWright yes I suspect so:-) although of course we don't really document what a class has to set (other than minimal.cls so there is notthing to say it should set \@ptsize 9and if it had set it to anything other than 10/11/12 that code would have failed anyway as it passes it as a class option to the constructed article class document, which seems a bit optimistic of it:-)
@AlanMunn I asked in the mod chat to work this out, hence the meta question. Mods will be able to edit, with two of use required to activate a change. It's expected we consult on the text to be used.
We will soon see the arrival of the new close reasons (a change being implemented across the StackExchange network). This will raise a few question: here I want to focus specifically the 'unclear what you're asking' closure reason.
The text for this will apparently read
Please clarify your s...
does on needs to be root to install Texlive? downloaded install-tl, and it says only this:
wizard (default on Windows) which asks a bare minimum of questions and installs everything. Can be specified explicitly with install-tl --gui=wizard.
@JosephWright I am confused. Does it not need to install stuff in some system locations?
Well, I have to worry about this for now:
me@me-VirtualBox ~/Downloads/install-tl-20130407 $ ./install-tl --gui=wizard
Cannot load Tk, maybe something is missing and
maybe tug.org/texlive/distro.html#perltk can help.
Error message from loading Tk:
Can't locate Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./install-tl line 330.
@JosephWright I am newbie, I need GUI:) Will go the package manager, and install all the TK, TL, perl stuff I see in front of me. Click on all them and see what happens.
Ok, thanks. This is the command I used
me@me-VirtualBox ~/Downloads/install-tl-20130407 $ sudo ./install-tl --gui=wizard
./install-tl: Writing log in current directory: /home/me/Downloads/install-tl-20130407/install-tl.log
me@me-VirtualBox ~/Downloads/install-tl-20130407 $
So gui works. One just needs to install perl-tk and tk before.
@AlanMunn yes big internal changes to the font system internally, but @Nasser's writing mathy-english-stuff and fancy font shaping probably won't be the first thing you notice if switching from 2012 to 2013:-) Just because the system seems stable and hopefully almost all documents work as before doesn't mean thousands of hours haven't been spent maintaining that stability and adding improvements:-)
I'm using it to crop a pstricks output file with a tight bounding box using --copy --bbox. It's linked on CTAN, but forms part of a Ghostview release, I think...
@Werner so I can see it clips closer to the digits but why the shading go? (how did you add that in the first place, in the original pstricks drawing or as a post-process
@DavidCarlisle The clipping in the first picture is due to my superior "Snipping Tool" skillz, and has nothing to do with epstool. :-|
The shading is done within pstricks using an overlay of white lines on top of the black ones, using a progressively shorter line length in a clip and a strokeopacity=0.5 line option.
@Werner is it just an artefact of the new bounding box or has epstool actually removed the shading. What happens if you edit the new eps file and restore the old bounding box does the shading come back?
...since I incorporate epstool as part of my workflow, I haven't ventured into seeing whether epstool actually modifies the output and/or removes the shading.
@Werner white lines are problematic: the bounding box calculation doesn't see them (because they are white) but (depending on how they are coded) when the eps is included and clipped to the bounding box the lines can go (as the control points are out of the clip box, so ....
@Werner If in doubt, edit the eps in emacs, it always makes you feel better:-)
\documentclass[10pt]{article}
\usepackage{pst-node,multido}% ctan.org/pkg{pst-node,multido}
\makeatletter
\newcommand{\edgelabelfont}{\scriptsize}% Edge label font size
\newcommand{\labelbox}{\psovalbox}% Type of box around labels
\newcommand{\labeledge}[4][0.5]{% \collabeledge[#1]{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}
\pcline[linewidth=0.5pt,linestyle=solid,nodesep=1.95pt,linecolor=black,arrows=->](#2)(#3)% draw edge
\ncput[npos=#1]{\pnode{labelposition}}% Position label on edge
\multido{\i=3+-1}{4}{%
\psclip{%
@DavidCarlisle: Now you know how to draw awesome graphs... You're welcome. ;)
You'll see that the overlay is done by placing linecolor=white lines on top of the linecolor=black edges using \multido.
@mafp It's such a delight to give packages to other people and see that they get the bug reports:-)
@Werner dvips -E does a similar job to epstool try to automatically set the bounding box, but they both get confused (dvips -E more so) Not sure it helps you to know another tool does a worse job:-)
One (strange) way of getting around it is to actually add some irrelevant content before the missing white lines, and they get printed in the output again.
@Werner try putting fbox around the whole thing so that the outer pixels are black, then epstool has an easier job, and you can then crop away the known black border either by simply editing the bounding box or using includegraphics options or clipping the file with imagemagic or somethig. Worth a try that's what we used to have to do to get control over bounding boxes
@DavidCarlisle Yes. But then I'd have to specify the parameters for pspicture exactly. Either way, that's a way out.
Another would be to add to the script a that grabs the %%BoundingBox from the "faulty" epstool crop and insert that in the location of the "correct" one.
I create a large number of images in LaTeX (mostly pstricks). Some of these images form part of a sequence showing the progression of some algorithm. The progression adds or removes content from the image, which effectively influences the image size, and consequently also the bounding box that su...
sed -ie s/%%BoundingBox.*/$(grep "%%BoundingBox" filea)/ fileb
@Werner yes which was why I asked if the shading is still there if you revert the bounding box or if epstool has already clipped it from the actual postscript
@DavidCarlisle Sure. I just haven't done that. I didn't think epstool would be so bold as to update anything other than the %%BoundingBox. But, it may include other "header-related" content in the file as well.
You need to use
pdflatex -shell-escape yourfile
to allow the mp back end.
Also apparently for beamer you need to set the pointsize:
\documentclass{beamer}
\makeatletter
\def\@ptsize{10}
\makeatother
\usepackage[shellescape,latex]{gmp}
\usetheme{Montpellier}
\title{Something}
\date{\toda...
