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Splinky

00:00

20 or 10 rak3a

goldPseudo

when maghrib comes around, i'm usually satisfied with something to drink. the thirst gets me a lot more than the hunger.

NesreenA

10

Pureferret

@pckabeer I don't think they are strictly 'needed'. It's only obligatory to respond I thnk

pckabeer

we have 8 , 20 here

Pureferret

@goldPseudo I know how that feels!

NesreenA

00:00

yeah but i think he meant with 2 sunnah

Splinky

10 or 20 in tunisia

NesreenA

its 8 here too

but 2 sunnah

pckabeer

but i have 20 :)

+3 sunnah

Splinky

and we pray 10 others after taraweeh

salat tahajodd

pckabeer

i have heard of 40 , do you know where it is practised

Splinky

00:02

صلاة التهجد

NesreenA

the women all go home after 8 its not safe to walk home after 20

and not to mention we dont bump roads either

Splinky

ah u r in palastine that's whay ?

pckabeer

@NesreenA where do you live

NesreenA

palestine

Splinky

or israel ?

pckabeer

00:03

but women in m place pray from home

NesreenA

it has nothing to do with war if thats what you guys are thinking

@Splinky dont even joke about that

Splinky

i'm not joking but palestine is just gaza

@NesreenA sorry but it is the truth

pckabeer

@Pureferret but should it be banned

NesreenA

what about the west bank

yasar11732

@pckabeer Different sites have different rules, but rules about greetings goes for every single site on the network. I think that is because when you add greetings questions looks like engaded in conversation. SE is strictly focused on ask-answer no conversation policy.

Pureferret

00:04

@pckabeer why do you say that?

pckabeer

@Pureferret becase that was the way i got a warning yesterday

Splinky

gaza is the only palastinen place is 100% free

from israel

Pureferret

@pckabeer Oh, sorry, I misread what you said

I thought you said "You should be banned"

apologies

pckabeer

np dear :)

Pureferret

I think it should be discouraged. I don't think we need to do more than they do on other sites

I need to sleep soon/now or else I'll be tired at work

pckabeer

00:06

but i think it should be encouraged

Pureferret

subhanAllah

NesreenA

all i know is i have never see an isreli pass through our town, we are under palestinian president, we own the land under our feet, im palestinian, so the land i own is palestine

yasar11732

I gotta go for suhoor, take care everybody. Assalamu Alaikum.

Pureferret

Assalamu alaykum wa-rahmutAllah wa-barakatuhu

NesreenA

wa3alekum issalam

pckabeer

00:07

u used it :)

Pureferret

take care

pckabeer

wa allikum mussalam :)

NesreenA

i have it on my notes so i can write is real quick but i forgot

Splinky

@NesreenA ok

NesreenA

people think its hazerdous here but it really isnt

the only "war" going on is if you try to go to isreli territories

then they hunt you like a dear

goldPseudo

00:09

i'd love to visit one of these days if i can ever afford to leave the country.

pictures i've seen of the area look beautiful.

NesreenA

inshallah you can

goldPseudo

(when they're not showing the obviously war-torn bits)

NesreenA

i posted a video here of my town before

its nice.....

pckabeer

:)

NesreenA

all mansions under 300k

pckabeer

00:11

@NesreenA 300k , what does that mean

NesreenA

300,000 thousand dollars

►

pckabeer

@NesreenA but we hear a lot of war @ ur side on news.and we have special prayers for you each week

NesreenA

my house is somwhere in the middle idk which one they all look similar

thats ghaza

over there is a war zone

im about 60% sure its the exact house the arrow is pointing at

we have chinese influenced architecture

but my house is old so it dosent have the chinese roof

"old" here is 10 years old

people tear their houses and rebuild like its nothing

pckabeer

leaving friends , assallamu allikum

NesreenA

wa3alekum assalam wa rahmat allahe wa barakatu

Splinky

00:16

waalaykom salam

u r 100% from palastien

NesreenA

yup

nesreen taiseer abdul raheem hassan ali abdul khaliq alkam abuawad

^ my ancestors

Splinky

good

u know 4 grand parent

NesreenA

i named 6 people other than my father

Splinky

great

NesreenA

but i do have cousins across the world

(if you know what i mean)

Splinky

00:20

this is the first time i'm talking to palastinien people

yeh

wlad amm

NesreenA

i mean like my grandpa travelled the world and got citizenships by marrige

Splinky

from where ?

NesreenA

im a 4th generation american citizen ship

Splinky

for exp ?

NesreenA

america, brazil, purto rico, panama, mostly south american countries

so i have cousins there

but i dont know them

my grandmother never let a single soul get in touch with them

Splinky

00:23

why ?

NesreenA

my great great grandfathers 2nd wife's ex husband was on the us senate

because she didnt like the other wives

Splinky

hhh

NesreenA

there could be some people in panama that look just like me

what if i find a doupleganger

Splinky

doupleganger ?

NesreenA

somone of exact resembalnce to you

what time is it in tunis?

Splinky

00:28

01:28 AM

NesreenA

oh two hours behind us

Splinky

athen there ?

NesreenA

its almost suhoor time

Splinky

i will go to pray after 30 mn

before suhoor time

NesreenA

i dont really stay up to eat suhoor, just never got used to the timing

i sleep around 5 am

but school starts soon

Splinky

00:31

yeh

NesreenA

i havent gone to a "normal" school for a year

Splinky

1 mounth

NesreenA

my sleeping scheduale is gonna be a mess

Splinky

normal ??

NesreenA

i cant belive i used to wake up at 5

i went to independent studies, a school where you teach yourself

and people stand around and grade it for you

Splinky

00:32

ahh

here in tunisia education is for free

NesreenA

yeah its free in america too

even independent studies

but not in palestine

im going to a private school

Splinky

in america not free

NesreenA

yes it is

unless you consider taxes

but all free education comes from taxes

Splinky

taxes for what ?

NesreenA

hmm do you pay taxes?

Splinky

00:35

in america to stady in heigh schll u should have much money

no

we don't pay nothing :p

all for free

NesreenA

how old are you

Splinky

just 10$ for heigh scol

school per mounth

sorry per year

10$ per year in heigh school

NesreenA

im positive tunisia has taxes

Splinky

taxes for education ?

i'm 21 years old

NesreenA

no its takes from your taxes

and gives it to education

Splinky

00:38

we got money when we stady also not taxes

NesreenA

if you pay any tax a small portion will be sent to the government for education

i got to go eat suhoor

Splinky

yes sure

NesreenA

salam alekum

Splinky

you r going out ?

wa alaykom salam

education in tunisia is for all people :how have money or not

Splinky

00:51

salam

yasar11732

01:18

A person on tv just said you can touch Qur'an without wudu :/

goldPseudo

02:54

i'm personally not convinced the evidence is strong enough to outright forbid touching qur'an without wudu.

(of course, i'm very critical about anyone who forbids anything.)

there's a hadith narrated by aisha, iirc, which forms the basis of the ruling.

yasar11732

@goldPseudo I have opened a question about it:

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Q: Can Qur'an be touched without wudu?

I was watching TV and a person who was being regarded as scholar said that It's ok to touch Qur'an without wudu.. He quoted an ayah, I guess it was this one; لَّا يَمَسُّهُ إِلَّا الْمُطَهَّرُونَ Surat Al-Wāqi`ah - 79 translated by Sahih International as; None touch it except the purif...

goldPseudo

it's a good question. i'm looking forward to good answers.

sunnah.com/urn/404701 <-- not the hadith i was thinking of at all, but this seems to be where the prohibition originates.

yasar11732

It is important to understand what does يَمَسَّ and طَاهِرٌ means literally.

If they can be used for pure-heartedness or real cleanness.

It would make issue clear.

Also, is that hadith considered sahih?

goldPseudo

03:13

honestly not sure. it seems to be accepted by at least three of the major schools though.

related hadith, also worth considering: sunnah.com/bukhari/5#35

yasar11732

It is not exactly about touching Qur'an though.

goldPseudo

no, but it does imply that a believer is always "pure", even without wudu.

yasar11732

What I understood from that hadith is, whenever a Muslim is unpure, s/he should do wudu as quickly as possible, because a (ideal) Muslim is always pure

goldPseudo

i can see it being read either way. i don't know arabic well enough to know which interpretation is the stronger.

yasar11732

Yes, you are right.

NesreenA

20:53

@oshirowanen I added the hadiths about this topic. I can say it is ready now. goldPseudo: And I have just made it even longer... :) — Ahmed Han 2 hours ago

This is a good answer, although it's a bit too long for my tastes. Rather than quoting so many entire ayat, in both Arabic and English, it may be better to briefly quote one (or part of one) that perfectly describes the point you're making in each section, and leaving the rest as links. — goldPseudo 5 hours ago

buuuurrn

with a smile on top :)

goldPseudo

21:46

well, "too long" is subjective. some people prefer concise answers, some people prefer extensive detail.

which side prevails, that's pretty much up to the community to decide.

might be worth a meta, but i'm in no hurry. the (too) long detailed answers are still preferable to a lot of the unsubstantiated one-paragraph things we'd been getting.

Pureferret

@goldPseudo Very treu

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