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leo
12:00 AM
@PeterTamaroff for rob
that's it
 
Can anyone tell what zyx is saying here?
 
@DylanMoreland I think he means .
 
@DylanMoreland I think he's simply saying that there is a voting facility already so that would be a rather trivial thing to implement from the technical point of view. Also, this
 
I think that underestimates how difficult it is to add features to software.
 
12:16 AM
Sure, it's not entirely trivial but nothing in comparison to these suggestions: .
 
But now I sort of see what he's saying. It wasn't at all clear before.
 
In any case, I don't think your innocent question merits such a reaction...
...which strikes me as rather brisk.
 
Yes, the "Cheers," did not work.
The proposal is sort of light on specifics.
 
What does "pony" mean there?
I keep thinking about a small horse!
 
@PeterTamaroff this
 
12:21 AM
You might as well ask for a pony while you're at it.
LOL
 
It's a pony in the sense that they'll never do it.
 
Definitely.
$\color{red}{(\text{status-declined})}$, as usual...
 
I want a unicorn. Proof.
 
And probably they shouldn't. A large part of the success of these sites is how simple it is to pass your judgement, for better or worse.
 
@JonasTeuwen You can always go with the Narwhal Horse mating idea.
 
12:30 AM
Proof by unicorns.
5
 
Hmm, I made some pretty shitty estimate, but it works...
I actually just make it even larger because of a multiplication, maybe I should state it as a lemma in its sharpest form!
 
@BenjaminLim I'll try to find time to look at this question of yours later. There's always some little trick with graded rings; hopefully I know this one.
 
@DylanMoreland I am so confused
@DylanMoreland I have resolved it in the case that $r$ is a homogeneous
@DylanMoreland Please see the edit here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/36/mathematics
@DylanMoreland The reason why I want to prove the stronger statement I stated because it kills more flies at once.
 
leo
12:51 AM
@JonasTeuwen why not proof by monkeys this time
 
@leo Na, too hard for this time of the day.
 
@leo Can you help with my commutative algebra question?
 
leo
@BenjaminLim hi! sadly the only thing I know about commutative algebra is that it is about commutative rings. I'm afraid I can't
 
it's ok then
@DylanMoreland Sorry I meant the edit to my question here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/151592/…
 
Does anyone know what it means for a normal subgroup to be generated by relations, when relations are equations, and not elements of a group?
 
1:01 AM
Take an equation like $X=Y$, and then write $XY^{-1}$ as an element of $R$ in the presentation $\langle S|R\rangle$.
 
Bingo.
 
@DylanMoreland You got something? I did not sleep the whole of last night!
 
Hmm, I think I should look up $\langle S|R\rangle$ then, thanks.
 
Oh, no, I haven't even read the question really. I was just agreeing with @anon.
 
@DylanMoreland For one moment you got my adrenaline pumping!
@DylanMoreland I resolved it at least in the case that $r$ is homogeneous
 
1:04 AM
Whoops, my bad for the confusion.
 
if $r$ is not homogeneous though it is extremely ugly
 
@BenjaminLim Ah, sorry.
 
1:43 AM
@leo convinced you of what?
 
@robjohn Really awesome answere here rob
 
@Adeal normally what people are doing is creating a quotient group of the free group on the number of generators.
the simplest instance of this is when you have a free group on one generator, say A. this group is infinite cyclic. if you let R be the subgroup generated by any word, like $A^k$, you get a finite cyclic group. this is the same as saying we have the set of relations R = {$A^k = e$}
 
leo
@robjohn I'm talking about your answer here
and Hi
 
i saw an interesting, but erroneous proof that all primitive roots of unity satisfy the same polynomials.
it went as follows: note that $\varphi: R[x] \to R[x]$ given by $\varphi(f(x)) = f(x^p)$ is a ring homomorphism. so if $f(x) = 0$ then $f(x^p) = 0$. now let $x = \zeta_n$.
it's easy to prove that unicorns exist by contradiction.
 
2:06 AM
hi
 
@RajeshD hi. i'm not here. leave a message at the beep.
 
a chat answering machine??
wow
 
2:24 AM
if you are a claimant for the class-action lawsuit "people vs. freemathhelp" press 1. if you are a creditor seeking payment, press 2. for technical support, press 3. for all other inquiries press 4. if you would like these instructions in spanish, press 5.
 
1
 
leo
5
 
please enter your claimant identification number at the tone.
 
$\pi$
 
i'm, sorry, i did not understand your response. please try again.
 
2:27 AM
911
 
i'm sorry, i did not understand your response. please try again.
 
Hello this is 911 operator, what is your emergency?
 
yes, operator, i need an irreducible quartic over F11. it's a life or death situation.
 
Sure. Let me put you on the line with math.stackexchange.com
 
stop it man
 
2:32 AM
how do you know anon is a man?
 
because my manly manliness shines through text
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...right?
guys?
 
Okay I have quick question
@anon : I think you should ask this question to people of directly opposite gender to you
 
2:47 AM
Just go ahead with the quick question.
 
3:07 AM
@DylanMoreland I finished my thesis!
thanks for your help!
 
4:00 AM
@Eugene I didn't help you at all, but congratulations!
 
@DylanMoreland no you did! some useful references!
 
4:10 AM
@Eugene Let me know if you ever put it online.
 
4:21 AM
Thanks @DavidWheeler.
 
4:48 AM
@DylanMoreland I will! Thanks again.
bye all!
 
5:04 AM
@anon LoL
 
 
1 hour later…
6:08 AM
@tb : P
@robjohn badgers, badgers...
 
@MattN eh?
 
@robjohn I have this special power where I can see the future. And you're about to get a badger.
Sorry, been watching too much Misfits. But it's just so good.
 
@MattN I saw the 10 come up :-)
Still haven't gotten the badge. I wonder when they poll for the 10 votes.
@MattN I have exactly 100 badges right now.
there, now I have 101
 
@robjohn Dalm...err congratulations!
 
@MattN thanks!
 
6:17 AM
: )
 
@DylanMoreland He says mine has a bug. I just have to show $(6)$ in my answer, I guess.
 
It just seems kind of impatient.
And I find it hard to understand not linking your stuff up. That's what the internet is for. It saves people work.
 
Hm. The reason why I'm up so early after barely sleeping 5 hours is because there was this guy doing the lawn with a sit on truck at a 1/4 to 8. I got up (more like: jumped out of my bed). 10 minutes later it's all quiet. I wonder if someone went out there and hit him on the head with a brick.
 
Morning
 
6:28 AM
@MattN "sit on a truck"?
 
@tb good evening :-)
 
@robjohn debugged your answer? :P
 
@tb Good morning to you too.
@DylanMoreland Well what do you call a lawn mower thing that lets you sit on and drive?
(extra loud)
 
@tb yes, but it seems that some people do not find $(6)$ in my answer as obvious, so I have to add something explaining it.
 
6:29 AM
Riding mowers?
I'm sort of surprised that Didier didn't jump on you, given that he was in the thread and what's happened before.
 
@DylanMoreland Ok. Next time I'll rant about Swiss people I'll use riding mower : )
 
Heh, "time-travelling whiteboards". Good one :)
This one is going to become Asaf's favorite user if he continues this way...
 
His favourite users are you, Andres Caicedo and JDH, iirc. So asking questions about AC isn't quite good enough to become his favourite : )
I have to go. See you all later.
 
Seeya Matt.
 
See you!
I'm speechless. That's a nice thing to hear before the day even started...
 
6:48 AM
@tb Ah, thanks.
 
7:13 AM
Hi guys
 
7:32 AM
Holy cow, @tb is still here?
Or just awake, like me! 8-)))).
 
Hi @skull
 
Hi @RajeshD
Whatz up?
 
nothin much, just a dull morning becoming a lazy afternoon
 
@tb I dispute the acceptance of this: How to Answer (meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/4092/politeness-in-chat) written by someone with practically no experience in this chat room ;)
Ooops... please disregard the "How to Answer" link, I don't know how that got in there :(
So Willie Wong picks up 10 reputation points for something he has never participated in?
 
7:53 AM
For a long time (before Mariano dropped in occasionally) Willie was the only moderator participating in chat. He is very busy recently but he still shows up once a week or something like that. Also, there's no reputation points on meta.
Also, what's the point of contention? The "fight" that post was about was a basic misunderstanding due to language problems...
 
@tb Okay... now it makes sense :) I didn't know those two facts, thanks. Objection humbley withdrawn.
 
@skullpatrol I have experience in the chat room
 
@BenjaminLim But since you didn't answer me about the lock on your bike being cut off I thought you were ignoring me :D
 
@skullpatrol sorry man the past few days I have been really worried about some mathematical problems.
 
@BenjaminLim np
don't worry, be happy :D
 
8:10 AM
@skullpatrol no worries mate
 
8:21 AM
Gah, the proof of the monadicity theorem is nearly 6 pages long. There has to be a shorter way to write it...
 
good morning, guys
 
Morning Ilya
 
@MattN: what did you mean that they are the same?
@tb: how are you? It's cold here again
 
Here it's okay. At least if you're sitting in the sun it's warmish.
Unfortunately there's not much sun...
 
it's all cloudy today, no clear sky at all
 
8:25 AM
I think we can close this thread now. OP seems satisfied
 
@tb isn't is closed already?
 
just now
It only had three votes when I posted.
<paranoia> Asaf's watching us....</paranoia>
 
well, that's a very usual idea that an average Russian has
I hope I'm not an average one
 
Gee: he has almost three times as many answers as I have.
 
@tb: do you have a plan to go somewhere, like for a conference, in a near future?
or maybe you're planning some vacations in the sunny place?
 
8:31 AM
@Ilya No, I don't like conferences.
I try to avoid them.
No holidays anytime soon either. In fall, maybe.
 
@tb but he has only 1.5 more points - which tells us something about your answers :)
 
Is there some subtle nuance of meaning between these two phrases?
Area of rectangle verses area of a rectangle @tb
 
I don't think so.
 
Presumably "a" can be replaced with "any" right?
 
I don't understand.
 
8:46 AM
@tb: perhaps you were talking to the user whose message I don't see
 
@tb "area of a rectangle " =?= "area of any rectangle"
 
YAK
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Q: PIE 22/7 query for last irrational digit

YAKI came to know that 22/7 is irrational and its value has yet to be found as to where it ends Can anyone tell me upto what extend the computers have been able to find the end digit

@all : hi
 
@skullpatrol I wouldn't use any in this context.
 
@YAK hi. Please read chat rules carefully; by the way, you've got a comment on your question
phew :) not the worst mistake with a link :D
 
Could've been much worse :D
 
8:51 AM
@tb: do you mean, you think that I visit inappropriate webpages from my office?
 
YAK
Bakwass\
@Ilya:
 
@tb To me "area of rectangle" sounds like an incomplete phrase?
 
YAK
@Ilya : please google the word ;)
 
@skullpatrol to me, too.
 
YAK
Bakwaas\
 
8:54 AM
@YAK I won't
 
YAK
Miss/Mr. J
:P
 
What is worse is I see it in a formula as:
Area of rectangle = length of rectangle X width of rectangle?
 
@YAK you're really successful in approaching a place in the ignore list
 
YAK
@Ilya : u too
 
@tb he didn't state anything, that was a question :)
@YAK: welcome
 
YAK
8:56 AM
;)
 
See you guys, I feel like I've entered Útgarðar
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YAK
@tb: where is that place
?
 
In Norse mythology, Útgarðar (literal meaning: "Outyards"; plural of Útgarðr; the word can be anglicized to Utgard, Utgardar and in other ways) surround a stronghold of the giants. They are associated with Útgarða-Loki, a great and devious giant featured in one of the myths concerning Thor and the other Loki who compete in rigged competitions held in the Outyards. These outdoor arenas contrast with the putrid, indoor cave where Útgarða-Loki is said to dwell, when chained, in the Gesta Danorum. In another version of Norse mythology, Utgard is thought to be the final of the three worlds c...
 
9:20 AM
@tb: seems to be a right place to use Scandinavian mythology, although Loki was a way smarter than little demons of this chat
 
9:35 AM
@Ilya Hi.
 
@Jonas: hi, how are you? I'm preparing to the meeting with Markus
 
I has theorem! This night!
 
@Jonas: cool! which theorem?
 
@Ilya Good. How are you?
@Ilya Some norm equivalence...
 
@Jonas: which norms, BMO-sort of?
 
9:38 AM
@Ilya No, Hardy :-).
 
icic :)
 
Hi @
 
@RajeshD Hi
 
things are always f*@%$d up here in India
 
@yak Your question has an answer posted :D
As we will show, reaching 10 trillion digits of Pi is much more difficult than 5 trillion digits using our current methods and 2010 computer hardware.
 
9:48 AM
Thanks Sherlock.
 
@Ilya :D.
 
even the answer is downvoted
two downvotes... well, one just need an indication to start :(
 
8-).
 
We have lost Yak :(
 
10:01 AM
@Jonas: here?
 
@Ilya Where?
 
nowhere.
[.]
I brought today pilaf with myself! mwahahaha, I don't have to go to Aula
@Jonas: do you know the phone number by which I can reach Markus? We talked we meet after lunch, but my after lunch is after 1pm - and I don't know what about him
 
@Ilya I don't think he has a phone. Shall I ask him? What do you want to know?
 
Okay, I understand that this was hard to bear and we're getting such questions from time to time, and in this case grammar and everything could have been improved, but was it really necessary to downvote this question into oblivion?
 
Not really, but as Dostojevski once said: "Whether it is right or wrong, it is sometimes quite amusing to break somebody".
And of course he was right, would Loekasjenko say.
 
10:10 AM
@tb I gave the first downvote, due to the reasons I've described in my comment. I didn't encourage anybody to downvote it further
@Jonas: what about Loekasjenko??
 
He quoted something about people not being able to handle freedom by Dostojevski and then said: "And of course he was right!".
 
@Ilya I'm not criticizing 1 downvote. I'm criticizing 6 of them that stay even after the question was edited into a somewhat sensible one.
 
@tb: I was trying to attract people to the problem of cascade of downvotes - but we can't stop users from doing that if they like it
 
I know.
 
@Ilya So what should I ask Markus? Tell me now now now!
 
10:15 AM
I find it highly disturbing. We have other questions on the same level that got hundreds of votes in the other direction...
 
when can we meet - 1pm, 1.30 or 2pm?
 
@Ilya Okay.
 
</rant>
 
@tb: the crowd
 
@Ilya At 1 PM.
@tb Relax. Have a beer :-).
 
10:16 AM
later
 
my lunchbox is a visual aid for diffeomorhisms after I put it in a microwave
 
Now I'll go for Lunch®.
 
@Jonas: thanks!
@tb: that was the only comment did left me - he never replied to my comment I put after his :)
 
@tb Mob mentality is alive and well even after 10 trillion digits of calculation :(
And a large article in wikipedia.
Oh, and in case you are wondering, the 10 trillionth digit is 5 :D
While the 10,000,000,000,050th digit is 1.
@JonasTeuwen You're welcome Watson ;-)
 
10:50 AM
Bakwaas @Ilya Remember to bring your sense of humour to the chat room :D
 
11:25 AM
How quiet today
 
I can't stand how mathematicians obsess over trying to make simplified proofs or examples by using incredibly complex and intricate representations of numbers by using letters like k n a b +1 and such
it makes it so much more difficult to see what is happening with $A^{k^n+1 } + B^^{k^n+1 }$ then just saying, take the first term and raise it by this number
 
ok
 
I can't stand this book, I am going to have to make about 12 topics just for this section because nothing is explained
so here goes
 
@mixedmath It is quiet because we just had a mob of down voters crush a question :(
 
about Pie?
 
11:31 AM
yup
 
yeah, I just saw that myself
 
@Jordan Good luck :D
 
I am never taking a math class in the summer again
4 hours a day, with 10 hours of homework assigned each day but I only have 3 hours to do homework a day
 
@Jordan Is it the first time you're taking the course?
 
yes
 
11:38 AM
@Jordan What is it about?
 
calc2
I dont have permission to view that
 
403 - Forbidden: Access is denied.
You do not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials that you supplied.
 
I have to do all these homework problems before class it is ridiculous
there just isn't any time before class to get them done
 
@mixedmath Paul's Online Math Notes?
 
11:41 AM
yes indeed
whenever I instruct a calculus class, I always reference Paul's notes as an additional reference
 
I am about to be kicked out of the class too because I am too stupid and I have been at school too long, so I have to talk to the dean today to beg to let me stay in school even though I am stupid
 
@Jordan I would suggest that you just sit through the course because if you don't have a REALLY good grasp of calculus 1, calculus 2 will bury you :(
 
I probably need to take pre algebra over
and then college algebra and then pre calc and then calc 1 and then calc 2, but no school will let me do that
 
Nothing wrong with doing that on your own.
 
basically I probably need 2 more years of math to get back to where I am.
lol on my own? Like when?
I have 40 hours of homework a week in this class which takes me 3 times as long to do because I am stupid, so 120 hours
 
11:46 AM
Heyo
 
besides that math isn't even important, I need to learn programming, so when do I find time for that>
 
Could anyone give me examples of two functions f and g that are mutually orthogonal on a interval? Please no cosines or sines, I am having problems finding other functions that are orthogonal.
 
@Jordan Learning is a race against time.
 
I thought if I ever had to retake a class I wans't good enough for math?
 
11:52 AM
orthogonal with respect to what?
 
Orthogonal in respect to the weighted inner product with, weight = 1.
 
That's quite some boring weight bro.
Get some Gaussian.
 
@Jordan Math is extremely time consuming if you don't have the background material mastered.
 
Oh I meant
$$ \langle f,g \rangle = \frac{2}{b - a} \int_a^b f \cdot g $$
 
@Jordan And mastering material is also extremely time consuming.
 
11:55 AM
Having problems finding any functions except sine and cosine, that satisfies this.
 
It is much easier if you are good at math though
I just don't understand how people can remember things form 5 years ago
 
One only gets good with a lot of time and work
 
@Jordan You are good at math because you were good at the beginning stuff to.
 
I don't believe that, some people are naturally good at math, it isn't like some people just study more than others
 
@Jordan Many interpolating-style polynomials are too.
 
11:57 AM
No one in my class studied more than me and I had a below average grade
 
@Jordan but you remember whom you kissed first?
 
Like Hermite, Legendre, Chebyshev polynomials
 
Sure but that is a much smaller list than math classes I have taken
 
@mixedmath I checked those out, but I could not figure out the interval for those
 
how am I suppose to remember obscure tricks like quadratic formula and long division when I use them at most once every 3 months
 
oh, on a finite interval? hmm
 
reflect how? I changed it in the op
 

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