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2:00 PM
Read it.
> It is currently estimated to be up to deep. The trench is about long but has a mean width of only.
Who to truly appreciate that if not a maths person?
 
YAK
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Q: How many digits of pi are currently known?

YAK Possible Duplicate: What is the last digit of $\pi$? How many digits of pi are currently known?

 
@skullpatrol I lied
 
YAK
1
Q: How many digits of pi are currently known?

YAK Possible Duplicate: What is the last digit of $\pi$? How many digits of pi are currently known?

 
2:03 PM
1
Q: How many digits of pi are currently known?

YAK Possible Duplicate: What is the last digit of $\pi$? How many digits of pi are currently known?

Please do reopen it
 
@YatinK please stop that
 
The answer is 1
 
Its 5
check out the link pasted the last line
 
@YatinK Not correct.
 
how can you question the article
??
Any proof
 
2:06 PM
The last known digit is 1.
@YatinK Read more carefully :D
 
Oh, and in case you are wondering, the 10 trillionth digit is 5.
Check out the line
in article
last line
 
The 10 trillion and 50th digit is 1
That is the last KNOWN digit :D
 
Proof
?
 
Trust me :)
 
Are you phythagoras
to trust you
Proof
??
 
2:12 PM
I am SKULLPATROL
 
@Moderator: this discussion goes crazy. These users are filling the room with nonsense. Please, help us.
 
@skullpatrol Creature of eternal headache?
 
LOL
:D
ROTF
 
so are you jesus Christ to say that
what you want
i believe in Him
??
 
SKULLPATROL is the antichrist
@YatinK Here are the last 50 digits: 4392476662 7656619000 2124460557 5531593458 4820611421 : 10,000,000,000,050
@YatinK Is that enough proof?
 
2:16 PM
Where did you get that]
enhance it
the answer
i will upvote
with proof
ofcourse
;)
 
@YatinK Go back to the link you posted and look at my answer ;-)
The last KNOWN digit is 1 :D
 
@BillDubuque: whenever you're passing by, could we talk? Maybe your mod powers are needed in this room :)
 
I'm sorry, I had to ignore some people otherwise the room is full of crap :-(.
 
@JonasTeuwen full was the right word some months ago
The virus has also poisoned main
 
3:20 PM
@Eugene Hi
 
@skullpatrol hi. sorry i didn't see your greeting last time
what happened to the chat room it looks like a mess in here
 
np
We had a bit too much fun :D
Did you find out if you should capitalize the "t" in theorem?
 
yes. the answer is no
 
Was that a matter of style?
 
more of a matter of convention
 
3:25 PM
In what context? @Eugene
 
just in the context of writing preferences
other papers i've seen don't capitalize either
@skullpatrol ever seen this?
 
Oh, so you were talking about it being written in the main body of the paper not the title.
 
right
 
@Eugene No I haven't seen it, yet.
Hi @MarianoSuárezAlvarez @YatinK @YAK
 
leo
hi there!
 
3:35 PM
hi
 
britanick is really funny
what's the big deal about $\pi$ anyway? I don't see anyone asking how many digits of $\zeta(3)$ are currently known.
 
No big deal :D
 
leo
Anyone: consider the total variation of $f$ over $[a,b]$, $V_f[a,b]$. Is it true $V_{f+g}[a,b]=V_f[a,b]+V_g[a,b]$?
The $\leq$ is easy
 
@leo Well, you could do something stupid like $f = x$, $g = -x$, right?
 
@Eugene because almost everybody knows $\pi$?
 
leo
3:42 PM
@DylanMoreland Yes. Then the LHS is $0$ and the RHS is positive. Thanks.
What if we allow only nonnegative functions $f$ and $g$
 
Holy cow, did you even check the definition?
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen yes. Why?
 
@JM so only nonspecialists have an obsession with digits of irrationals?
 
@JM Wow you really out did yourself on the avatar this time :D
I'm getting dizzy just looking at it :/
 
@Eugene Not really. There are things that really do require ridiculously high precision. Look up "experimental mathematics".
 
3:47 PM
@JM i'm not dismissing it. I just wonder why curiosity is focused on $\pi$. seems like common knowledge doesn't explain it all
 
BTW: hi to Jonas, Dylan, and everybody else.
 
@JM that's a nice pic btw
 
leo
@JM, I'm curious. Why you always do "rounded" things? Why not some no "soft" lines?
 
@Eugene Thanks. :) Took a good portion of a day to render, too.
 
Hihi.
@JM Mathematica?
 
leo
3:48 PM
@DylanMoreland do you have some counterexample?
 
@JM Hi. Sup?
 
@leo Maybe in another time. For now, I'm slowly going through minimal surfaces.
@DylanMoreland Yes.
 
leo
@JM I see
 
@JonasTeuwen Quite fine; how about you?
 
@leo Nope.
 
3:50 PM
@JM Hardly any sleep, but fine. Dex is some kickass stuff...
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen How do you do to keep you awake?
coffee?
 
Hmm, that does not do much for me anymore. Just makes me visit the bathroom quite often.
 
leo
red bull?
:-)
 
Ugh, nah.
 
@JM these are better than the millions of fractals people usually choose to render
 
3:54 PM
@Eugene I like fractals too, but as you say, they're so mainstream... :D
 
YAK
0
Q: What if there was no number 0

YAKI want to know what would happens to Mathematics if there would be no number called 0 in the number system .

 
@JonasTeuwen What is the longest period of time you have gone without sleep?
 
Not so long, maybe 75 hours?
 
I'm surprised that no one has the 27 lines as their picture.
 
@DylanMoreland Maybe I should try doing that some time... that surface is a bit tricky to do.
 
3:56 PM
@JM hi! nice seeing you again
 
@JonasTeuwen Wow three days.
 
@Ilya Hello! How's it going?
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen Not so long?
 
@leo Clearly Jonas's definition of "long" isn't the same as yours. ;)
 
It goes much better if you say sleep for 3 hours :-).
 
3:57 PM
@JM crappy in this room. Would you please take a look at this message and the further "discussion"?
 
leo
@JM Indeed. At the four day I'll be about to die
or get crazy
 
@Ilya Yes, quite a good bit of carnage here. Ugh. Where was Mariano or Bill during the proceedings?
 
Crazy takes a bit longer.
But then you get really crazy...
 
I asked Bill for a talk, but I guess he is away currently
 
leo
:-)
 
3:59 PM
@JM do you think I should ping Mariano?
 
I just did and he didn't answer.
:(
 
@Ilya I suppose you should...
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen do you have a counter example to this?
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez: I guess, we need your mod powers here :)
 
(I have powers, but I'm not terribly comfortable using them in this room since I don't mod here.)
 
4:01 PM
@leo Uh... $x - x = 0$?
@JM May The Force be with you.
 
@JM codex? :)
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen Oh yes, of course. but $f$ and $g$ nonnegative
 
@Ilya Like that, yes.
 
leo
?
 
I love Asaf's reply to the question! Everyone should see it now!
 
4:02 PM
@JonasTeuwen Bah, now if only I didn't lose my nice green lightsaber.
 
@leo Well, check the definition.
 
@Eugene There used to be an insult that went "He's a no good nothin divided by nothin." ;-)
 
@Eugene Clearly questioner does not currently have a good batting average...
 
Some good old slayin' eh?
 
4:11 PM
@JM @skullpatrol i would like to meet arthur
 
@Jonas: I think, a comment to such question should by "Why the upvote????!!!!!111"
 
@Ilya :D. Oneooneeeeeleven!111?
 
Would the upvoter care to explain? Yech.
 
@Ilya What better way to learn about negative numbers?
 
@DylanMoreland exactly :)
@skullpatrol pass the exam on Negative Calculus I
 
YAK
4:13 PM
one more]='
 
One more for the ignore list?
 
" how is it exactly spelled"???
 
@YAK Can we please stop the reposting of your questions on the chat room?
 
@DylanMoreland Yatin K or smth like that is also YAK :)
@JM I would better ask him to stop posting them on main. That would resolve the problem of reposting them here :)
 
@Ilya The sock puppetry is definitely not helping his case.
 
4:16 PM
Hi everyone!
 
There is a built in feature that shows new questions as they come in :D
 
@Ilya Works too. :D But, we can probably wait for the "automatic suspension after so many low-quality posts" to kick in...
 
@JM oh, that would be cool
 
cool for you maybe
 
certainly for me
 
4:18 PM
Have you ever been suspended?
 
what for?
 
Anything.
 
@leo Well, if they were increasing this would not work, so find something that is not.
 
make a guess
 
bye all
 
4:19 PM
bye
 
@Eugene: bye
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen I see thanks
 
@Jonas: ING-NL!
 
YAK
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Q: What if there was no number 0

YAKI want to know what would happens to Mathematics if there would be no number called 0 in the number system .

i got an answer
huh
 
Hm. I see there was trouble here a while ago...
The last couple of days I've been mostly offline. Sorry guys :/
 
4:28 PM
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Yeah, quite the mess. I didn't want to be an interloper, so I thought you (or Bill) should be handling it.
 
I am trying to solve a system of equations. if I had the equation 6x1 = 6 + x0 + 4x2 + x3 how would I "phrase" this in a matrix
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez: thanks for coming - the best example is the discussion starting [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4783013#4783013)
I wonder if such situations can be avoided somehow. Maybe we can warn them?
 
(that is just one sample equation)
 
a lot of times I seem to be logged in here, but iot is just that my computer is awake, and this chat thing logs me in automatically
 
@JohnSmith That would comprise only one row of your matrix.
 
4:29 PM
yes
but i am trying to figure out what it would look like
[matrix row] [x1] = [some number]
 
@JohnSmith Well, the (column) vector on the left hand side would be the thing holding the variables you're solving for.
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Bill also said that.
 
one thing that annoys me muchly is people using two accounts
 
yes JM
I am trying to figure out how to word it though because I have a constant
 
I mean, if you want to do evil, find something more worthy of your evil powers...
 
4:33 PM
and not sure how to deal with constants in matrix solving
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez even if he uses only one acc, that would be a disaster
 
@JohnSmith The constant terms are on the right-hand side (column) vector.
 
I am not necessarily talking about that incident
 
@Mariano the sad thing is that there are now 2 such persons, previously we had only skull
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez The sock-puppetry is sufficient cause for a suspension, no?
 
4:35 PM
yes
and it is amply sufficient to get my contempt
 
Sorry, I have a mega-n00b question...
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez and what about this? it is already for the second day here
 
Let the owner of the room decide.
 
@Jordan, what exactly do you expect to gain from making such a comment?
 
If I have a function with the domain $x \leq -1 \vee x \geq 1$ there are vertical asymptotes in this function?
 
4:37 PM
not necessarily - maybe it's only undefined in this points. For example,
$$
\frac{x-1}{|x-1|}+\frac{x+1}{|x+1|}
$$
 
@Jordan Hate is not a good thing.
 
@unNaturhal Not necessarily. Consider $y=\sqrt{x^2-1}$
 
@Jordan, refrain from such campaining please
as it is noise
the subjectof this room is math
your personal problem with people here is off-topic
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@Ilya Ehm, wait :P The question is: since that vertical asymptotes have to be studied in the points that does not belong to the domain, and in this cases -1 and 1 belong to the domain because of =, I have to search anyway the vertical asymptotes?
@JM Why?
 
@skullpatrol, and please ignore him as far as his campaining goes
 
4:40 PM
@unNaturhal Try drawing it. :)
 
what he wants is attention: do not give it to him, or at least give it to him somewhere else
 
@JM In 0 it's immaginary...
 
@unNaturhal you were talking about real line, weren't you? :)
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Yes, Sir :(
 
@unNaturhal Yes indeed. Have you seen the picture already?
 
4:41 PM
Then Jonas shouldnt tell me to quit taking math because I am not smart enough because I failed a math class
 
@Jordan, stop
 
@Ilya Umh? :p
 
whats going on :(
 
@unNaturhal your comment about complex numbers - was it relevant to your problem? :)
 
@JM Yeah, I saw.. It has a complex part between -1 and 1
 
4:42 PM
@tb: hi
 
welcome t.b
 
Hi all
 
@Ilya I think that.. nope :P
 
@tb Hi!!! :D
 
4:42 PM
@JM Hallo, *Schoen*er Mann! :)
 
@t.b whats up
 
@unNaturhal But apart from that... you recognize the upper half of a hyperbola, no?
 
@JonasTeuwen, I was not talking about you
 
I'll take all of Jonas' attention @JonasTeuwen
 
@tb Hi! I did say I'd eventually get to minimal surfaces. ;)
 
4:43 PM
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Oh, sorry. (deleted)
 
@Jonas: what made you think so?
 
@JM It's... 1? right?
 
@anon: hi
 
@Ilya I was a bit sleepy and didn't see somebody else was addressed.
 
@unNaturhal I'm not reading you...
 
4:44 PM
In any case, any extended discussion regarding Jordan's off-topic ramblings, or anyone else's, for that matter, is offtopic. Jordan's offtopic ramblings have been going on for over a month now, so that certainly qualifies as extended
 
@JM Really really cool!
 
And while I'm at it give me Ilya's @Ilya
 
Anyway, could one of the mods remove the starred message to the right mentioning me? I don't like to be compared with some not-so-nice historical figures.
 
@tb I'm glad you like it. :) It took a good portion of a day to render...
 
@Chandrasekhar nothing in particular. Too many greetings to take care of, right now :)
 
4:45 PM
@JonasTeuwen try to sleep more today instead of proving theorems :)
 
Got this lovely quotation. Has anyone before seen it: A man is like a fraction whose numerator is what he is and whose denominator is what he thinks of himself. The larger the denominator, the smaller the fraction.

—Leo Tolstoy
 
@JM The higher point of the complex part it's (0; 1).. right? Isn't what you asked for? :p
 
@tb u are a celebrity here :)
 
apparently...
 
@JonasTeuwen that one wasn't starred
 
4:46 PM
It refers to that.
 
@tb Matt would star that :)
 
@Chandrasekhar not necessarily true. too much false modesty is overwhelming
 
@Chandrasekhar Nice quote :D
 
@unNaturhal I'm not caring for the section $|x| \leq 1$, since as you say, it is complex, and we are dealing with plots of functions.
 
@Ilya let's see...
 
4:46 PM
@skullpatrol thanks.
is robjohn here Wanted to ask him something
 
@tb he is not around, so probably we never know :)
 
@JM Ok, so, could you re-ask the question? As it seems, I've not understood, sorry...
 
@Chandrasekhar Did Tolstoy do any math?
 
@Chandrasekhar: haven't seen him for some time
@skullpatrol he was an artillery officer.
 
@Ilya So he did a lot of trig?
 
4:48 PM
@skullpatrol I dont know
 
@skullpatrol he wrote a lot of letters, that's for sure
 
@unNaturhal Actually, start first. Why again were you asking about vertical asymptotes?
@Ilya I wonder how many people actually finish reading his novels... :D
 
I have to leave, though
 
bye
 
@Ilya See you later!
 
4:49 PM
@JM I had to read War and Peace when I was 13, so I only read 3 volumes of 4
I hope the next day here in the chat will be more pleasant
otherwise I stop visiting it
 
@Ilya its war and peace
 
and do my work
which is also good
 
Reading War and Peace at 13 does not seem like a very useful exercise.
 
@Chandrasekhar :D thanks
 
@JM Because I know that this type of asympotes have to be searched in the point where the function is not defined right? But for this function, apparently, there are $\infty$ points where is not defined, that is between -1 and 1.. or I'm wrong (as it seems)?
 
4:50 PM
@ilya not piece
 
@Ilya, the key is to ignore the people producing the unpleasantness
 
@ilya yeah ok :P
@Mariano
 
I don't know. I know that what I said was not very politely phrased, but I surely do not regret anything about the contents of what I said. I never called names or compared somebody to a mass murderer. Then why do I get this?
 
@MarkDominus Yes, but teachers can be nutty beings...
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez that was extended to the main, so I don't think closing eyes always helps :(
 
4:51 PM
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez I would follow Mariano's advice :)
 
Such people maybe only win if they're just ignored by the part of users
 
@unNaturhal The thing is to be aware of vertical asymptotes if your function is expressible as a ratio of two other functions...
 
most people being anmoying are doing that to get attention
make them get bored
 
true that^
 
your power to point your attention to what interestes you is your strongest power online
 
4:53 PM
@Chandrasekhar: I've tried to respond to your comment. I think your solution is correct, but some details are missing.
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Oh, why do u think so! I am surprised to see people being annoying for getting attention
 
I tried reading War and Peace at 17, but I discovered that I did not have enough energy to read the novel and to apply to University at the same time.
 
today it's raining stars...
 
@MarkDominus I can understand that. :)
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez That doesn't mean they can just say anything without repercussions.
 
4:53 PM
no
just flag for mod attention
do not even engage in trying to chastise anyone
 
@Martin: Hey martin thanks. I was here. Sorry for not replying. I guess i am weak in Math :)
 
Fine.
 
@Chandrasekhar People on the Internet can be weird.
 
otherwise you end up being sucked into the Someone Is Wrong On The Internet phenomenon
 
@Chandrasekhar Are you kidding me? Your 12k+ rep proves otherwise.
 
4:55 PM
If it is clear that you cannot have a civilized conversation with someone on the Internet, the high road is usually to disengage.
 
I don't want that. But I do not want to lose a place that I think is fun is fun to be there because some guys compare me with Hitler or whatever.
 
if someone becomes really disruptive here, in the sense that his or her noise makes it impossible to continue regular chat, flag for mod attention here in chat, so that any mod of any site can intervene
@JonasTeuwen I and everyone else will value the comparison of you with Hilter as coming from who it is coming
 
what do you guys think of the ctmu (math/physics paper)
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez I guess the stress is on the word really. Some of the mods warned us that after using flag in chat, all mods at SE get the notification.
 
@JohnSmith Have details already been released? There's only the news article...
 
4:57 PM
@JM What do you mean? :(
 
(Maybe it was you, who said that... ?)
 
@MartinSleziak Okay, fair enough.
 
@Martin: Can u justify the local/global thing. I have an answer in mind, but i am afraid to speak it out
 
@JM yes there's a website for it. the author was featured in a popular book and i don't know if it's goobleyjibblegok or if it's actually something worthwhile
 
@Chandrasekhar Periodic function, so I can work with interval $[0,2\pi]$ instead of real line. It's a continuous function on a compact interval, so it attains it's maximum and minimum.
 
4:58 PM
@MartinSleziak, indeed: I mean: if someone becomes a problem for actual chat to continue (for example, by posting link after link, or something like that) that is somethign that needs to be solved immediately
 
@unNaturhal If you can express your function $f(x)$ as $n(x)/d(x)$, and $d(x)$ is known to have zeroes, then the zeroes of $d(x)$ might be vertical asymptotes of $f(x)$.
@JohnSmith I've seen the site; unfortunately, it is rather too sparse on the details to say something. We should see what the judges saw before we can say anything.
 
@Martin: Right, I had more or less the same thought. I was think whether u work on any interval or $R$ they are going to make no difference. didn't think of the periodicity though :(
 

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