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7:00 PM
No @Ted. The professor's approach is to start with the Eilenberg-Steenrod axioms, prove stuff that must hold for every homology theory and then actually construct singular homology and show it is in fact an homology theory
 
@Daminark I hate when that happens (i.e. when I mess up the exercises like that)
 
It's gonna be very ungeometric, I'm afraid. Sigh. RIP Hatcher.
 
A geometric reproach?
 
I thought a bit about that 4 skew lines problem
 
Yeah I definitely don't think geometry is the popular viewpoint here
 
7:01 PM
Yeah?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti do you know singular homology already though
 
I do, and I'm very glad I do
 
that's nice
how about simplicial homology
 
Yeah that too
 
@Daminark What sort of stuff have you covered so far in rep theory?
 
7:02 PM
It's before singular homology in Hatcher
 
Hatcher is a daddy tbh
 
for sure once I know that the fourth line intersects the quadric in 2 points, there is at least one line for each point that intersects all four lines, correct? So the problem is just proving that there's not more than two?
 
We defined reps/subreps/irreps, showed irreps of abelian groups are 1-D, then did Maschke's theorem and Schur's lemma, now we've started character theory
 
hmm, wiki says you can calculate the homology of the sphere just from the axioms
can you prove MV from the axioms?
 
@Daminark I assume Schur before irreps of abelian groups?
 
7:03 PM
@Karl: As I suggested yesterday, you have to argue from the geometry of the quadric surface why a point will in fact give you a line intersecting the other three lines.
 
Nope, that was in order. We proved irreps of abelian groups by appealing to Jordan form
 
@Leaky: You can do the sphere from excision.
 
@Daminark Ahh, I see
 
oh but isn't it obvious from the fact that the quadric is made of such lines?
 
/the argument of $t^k - 1$ being coprime with its derivative, so diagonalizable etc
 
7:04 PM
@Karl: No.
 
oh, ok I don't see this
 
You have to actually understand the two families of lines on the surface.
 
@LeakyNun Yes (we did)
 
It's the double ruling that makes this all work.
 
@Daminark I like to prove that the other way around. But then, the students here will not have seen Jordan form unless I decide to include it.
But it sounds like you are moving through things at a quite rapid pace
 
7:06 PM
yeah, this is the point that escapes me. for every point in the quadric Q there is surely a line passing through it. And that line will be one that intersects my three initial lines, by construction I would say
why is this not the case?
 
Ah, I see. Yeah we all had at least two quarters of algebra before this
Yeah it's definitely not too bad. Character theory seems exciting, we haven't proven anything yet, just computed characters of the irreps of $\mathbb{Z}/3$ and $S_3$ and talked about character tables
 
@Daminark Was any motivation given for introducing characters, or are they just defined?
 
He just kinda defined them as an invariant that he promises will be easier to compute than just doing the matrices. He did mention that the weighted rows of the character table are orthogonal, as are the columns, so that's starting to make said promise seem more plausible
 
So you're looking only at the family of lines that meet the other three lines. In other words, those original three lines will never be a line that you pick through a point. It's worth understanding the two families of lines, but I see your point.
Characters = magic? Demonark
 
And the business about the irreducible characters being an orthogonal basis for $\mathscr{C}(G)$ seems cool
 
7:09 PM
@Daminark Yeah, I think it is rare to show some of the ways traces appear naturally except by just introducing them directly
I mean, a priori one might as well have taken determinants as traces to get "characters".
 
man I need to do way more maths
staying in this chat keeps reminding me that I'm wasting my time
 
nods at Leaky
 
Well, I just don't understand yours. I am looking the quadric Q that is obtained by considering the lines that intersect my three original lines. I know that there is a fourth line intersecting Q in two points. Why do I need anything but my argument
 
Hello everyone!
 
:D
 
7:10 PM
sorry I am not being stubborn
 
showtime
 
Can someone help me with what is the meaning of a "fixed number/variable/constant"?
 
(of course, one does take determinants as well, but usually not until much later)
@Daminark Writing up a proper motivation for the introduction of traces is one of the things I am working on at the moment.
 
Because there are, in fact, a whole bunch of other lines on the surface, @Karl.
 
Hopefully it should make a lot of proofs seem more natural if I can get it to work out nicely
 
7:12 PM
so there might be more than two lines?
is that all that I should care about?
 
No, because the other family of lines contains your original 3 lines and all the other lines in that family are also pairwise skew with them.
 
@manooooh do you mean this? google.com/…
 
@BalarkaSen Hello! What was your experience like using Patrick Morandi's book?
 
@Tobias interesting, do let me know how that goes
 
Note that in the quadric $x_0x_3=x_1x_2$, you have a line when you fix $x_2/x_0$ and also when you fix $x_1/x_0$.
 
7:14 PM
@Daminark The first part is done. The proof is not quite trivial, but the statement is fairly simple. When you proved Maschke, did you do so by turning a linear map into a homomorphism of representations?
 
@BalarkaSen I think the way to think about the Riemann-Hurwitz realization problem is probably in terms of representations of free groups in the fundamental group, where conjugacy classes of specified words map to elements of specified order.
 
@Alucard thanks for your reply! I don't think so, I mean when we say "fix a number $k$" or maybe this topics helps: https://math.stackexchange.com/a/2906971/525384; https://math.stackexchange.com/a/2131446/525384
 
We did two proofs, both of which involved averaging tricks (one with inner product, and one with projections)
 
The specified words are the boundary loops, and we understand the fiber above a specific point by the permutation it maps to.
 
the proof for the fact that the inner product of two characters gives the dimension of the Hom space is a good motivation to consider traces, $f \mapsto \frac{1}{|G|} \sum_{g \in G} gfg^{-1}$ is a projection $\mathrm{Hom}_k(V,W) \to \mathrm{Hom}_{k[G]}(V,W)$, so it's trace is the dimension of the subspace, then you use the isomorphism $\mathrm{Hom}_k(V,W) \cong V^* \otimes W$ and use properties of traces
 
7:16 PM
@Daminark Right, the latter precisely turns an arbitrary linear map into a homomorphism by averaging
 
I think the number of cycles in the permutation corresponds to the number of circles above your given circle, while the length of the cycles corresponds to degree.
 
ok, taking what you said for granted, what then?
Should I then conclude that there are 4 lines?
2 through each intersection point?
 
Ah yeah I guess that's a good way to say it. At the time we hadn't quite defined a homomorphism of $G$-reps so it wasn't stated in such terms, but that does make sense
 
obviously not, but why?
 
But only one of each pair intersects the original three lines. I've said that 4 times.
The other one is in the same family with them and skew to them.
 
7:17 PM
@Daminark So if you do this to a linear map $f$ from an irrep $V$ to itself, you get a scalar. And that scalar is precisely $\frac{1}{\dim(V)}\operatorname{Tr}(f)$.
 
@manooooh mmh, i better wait for someone who has a degree :)
 
And extending this line of thought leads to what @MatheinBoulomenos said about the inner product giving the dimension of the Hom-space.
 
and that last fact should be immediately apparent from the equation?
 
@manooooh: You have a quantity (represented by a letter, say $a$) that can take on different values. When you say it is fixed, you are setting it equal to one of those possible values. Example: if $a$ can be any integer from $1$ to $6$, I can say: "Fix $a=4$. Then I consider what happens only when $a=4$.
Well, you have to go back and see what the two families are (as I said about 10 minutes ago up there ...) and verify that your original three are all in one of those. @Karl
 
@TedShifrin I don't really know "fix" means and I avoid using it as much as possible lol
also, "fix $a$ arbitrary" is an oxymoron
 
7:22 PM
It doesn't mean "repair" in this mathematical contest. It means "do not let it vary."
 
@TedShifrin oh, many thanks! You are great explaining :)
 
No it's not an oxymoron.
You're welcome, @manooooh.
 
@Tobias ah, okay that's actually pretty slick
 
@TedShifrin oh yeah, I often see what @LeakyNun says: "fix $n$ an aribtrary constant". What is the meaning of that?
Which number do we set/fix?
 
It means that in this discussion it always has that same value and never changes.
 
7:23 PM
fix a arbitrary is like absolutely not oxymoronic
 
@MatheinBoulomenos The formula for the scalar I mentioned above actually turned out to be more tricky to prove than I expected. Not very tricky, but not any easier than the general version for symmetric algebras (I had hoped it would be simpler for group algebras, but not that I could make it)
 
@Eric: It seems the non-native English speakers don't understand important mathematical language.
 
"choose one, doesn't matter which" basically
 
But language is the hardest part of learning mathematics, I've found with teaching.
 
non-native mathematical speakers
 
7:24 PM
@TedShifrin but... is not that the definition of a constant number?
 
@TobiasKildetoft interesting to see that this embeds into a general context with symmetric algebras
 
@manooooh: A number is always constant. Like $2$ never changes, nor does $\pi$.
 
@TedShifrin u rite my man
 
@TedShifrin I don't mean a number, but a variable, such as "fix $k$ an arbitrary constant"
 
@MatheinBoulomenos Yeah, though the scalar need not always be as nice. The main statement is that as long as the irrep is split simple, it will be some multiple of the trace (and the multiple depends on the irrep, not on the linear map)
This multiple is called the Schur element of the irrep (I think I have mentioned this before)
 
7:26 PM
Right, so "variable" suggests that it is free to vary. We are setting the value equal to one particular value when we say $k$ is fixed.
 
@manooooh But what that means is, "take one of these arbitrary constant numbers, any one of them, and then make $k$ itself constant and equal to that value"
 
@Mathein @Tobias: If you guys are going to teach an actual rep. theory course in here, I will enroll.
 
@TedShifrin and what is that value? I often see that but with no value set
 
me too
 
That's right, @manooooh. It can be any one of its possible values.
 
7:27 PM
I found reading about symmetric algebras quite enlightening since so many things really just look like similar statements for group algebras
 
@manooooh: You just do not let it change once you've started.
 
@TobiasKildetoft can you teach me rep of GL2?
 
But also suddently apply to Hecke algebras for finite Coxeter groups
@LeakyNun Which parts of it?
 
I'm starting to find there's a type of pure maths only found in physics books xD (e.g. Lee-Yang theorem, asano contraction).
 
2D global langlands correspondence?
 
7:28 PM
@TedShifrin oh, but that is the definition of a constant. If we use in a proof a letter "k" then that leter will no change of meaning
 
@Symposium futurama's theorem :P
 
@TedShifrin I'd love to, maybe next semester break, I'll be quite busy with uni starting next week
 
LOL, I was mostly kidding, @Mathein :)
 
but Tobias knows way more about rep theory than I do, I just know a few basics
 
@LeakyNun I mainly know $GL_2$ in positive characteristic
 
7:29 PM
Hey everyone
 
@Fargle but what value? 2? 5? pi?
 
@LeakyNun The book by Bushnell and Henniart is really readable for this
 
@manooooh: Here's an example. I can consider circles of various radii centered at the origin. They're all of the form $x^2+y^2=k$ for $k>0$ a constant. But when I change circles, I change the value of $k$.
 
@Perturbative hi!
 
@TobiasKildetoft then just number fields?
 
7:29 PM
@LeakyNun That's even more incredible! O_o
 
@LeakyNun Those are not positive characteristic
 
@TobiasKildetoft oops, I misread
then just positive char?
 
@TedShifrin you are right. So in that case when we are saying "fix $k$" then we are saying that for a number greater than zero... what?
 
If I say "fix $k$ to be a positive real number," then yes.
 
@LeakyNun In positive characteristic, the whole thing becomes quite nice, since basically all the major conjectures hold
 
7:31 PM
Or "fix $k>0$."
 
@TedShifrin why doesn't "let k be positive" do the job?
 
@LeakyNun I'm taking a seminar on local Langlands for GL(2) next semester, I'll be able to tell you more after that
 
@TedShifrin in that case the number $k>0$ will not change of value, as you said here. It can be $4$, $5$, etc?
 
That's fine as long as no one reading your paper is from France @Alucard
 
Because in some contexts it might be free to vary during the work at hand. We say "fix" when we want to be totally clear that the value cannot change once you start.
 
7:31 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos nice
 
Fargle and Balarka can testify
 
@LeakyNun First, we note that actually we only need to understand $SL_2$ since moving up to $GL_2$ is just a matter of twisting by some power of the determinant rep
 
@Daminark haha :D
 
Friggin' Weil
 
One of the mathematical geniuses (genii) of the 20th century, @Fargle.
 
7:33 PM
I don't disagree. I just also did his number theory book.
 
I always confuse Weil and Weyl (different people right?).
 
(part of it)
 
Yup, different people.
 
i believe the plural of genius is geniusodes
3
 
@TedShifrin ah i see, for example a physical variabel, like volt?
 
7:33 PM
@LeakyNun Next, we note that the diagonal matrices give us a maximal torus $T$, and that any irrep of $T$ is specified by sending the diagonal matrix $(a,a^{-1})$ to $a^n$ for some integer $n$
 
OR like the radius of my circle in the example above, @Alucard. If you move in the plane, you change circles.
 
@Symposium those names are pronounced very differently
arent they?
now im not sure
 
if the cost of cigarettes doubled over a decade of use and your government explained that it's because it will encourage you to stop, brace yourself, the stupid is coming, in even greater number and absurdity, welcome to Australia please enjoy your stay
 
@LeakyNun So we can denote any such irrep simply by that integer $n$, and we can inflate this to an irrep for the lower triangular matrices $B$ by having the lower triangular unipotent matrices act trivially. We still denote this irrep by $n$
 
@Symposium weil as in because?
 
7:35 PM
i always say weyl like vial and weil like vey
 
@Eric: Yes. Weil is pronounced "vay" (more or less) and Weyl is pronounced "vile."
 
ok sick
 
@EricSilva I was about to ask that.
 
The "eil" combination in French has a slight aspiration at the end, typically.
 
Okay, even if we say "fix $k> 0$ an arbitrary constant" without mentioning any concrete value then $k$ has a value? Does it have a hidden value, right?
 
7:37 PM
yeah that's what i imagined Ted
 
@Alucard as in Weil conjectures? Not sure.
 
@LeakyNun Now we induce $n$ from $B$ to $G$, and a few magical things happen (we induce inside the category of algebraic representations). First, the result is $0$ unless $n\geq 0$. And if $n\geq 0$ we get a finite dimensional representation
 
The value is $k$, @manooh. We're just considering it to be a constant for now.
 
i read my dude André's autobiographical thing
 
@LeakyNun With me so far?
 
7:37 PM
@TobiasKildetoft well...
 
OK, lunchtime for this bonzo. Bye.
 
bone apple teeth @Ted
 
can you explain the step in the middle where magic happens
 
lol.
 
Enjoy! @Ted
 
7:38 PM
why would any of y'all star literally anything I say
2
 
@mercio Depends on how familiar you are with affine schemes as functors
 
I ain't fonny
2
 
a bit familiar
 
idk you're pretty funny, but I haven't starred you
Though I really did want to star "Hatcher is a daddy tbh" because I feel that
 
i didn't know Eric was an expert in reverse psychology
 
7:39 PM
@TobiasKildetoft where are we representing it to?
 
the Hatcher line is just me speaking the noble truth my dude
 
@LeakyNun What do you mean?
 
@EricSilva preach
 
when you say representation of GL2, what is the codomain?
 
lol
4
 
7:40 PM
@EricSilva We're appeasing to you because we heard you discovered a new religion.
 
@LeakyNun We are looking at $GL_2$ over some algebraically closed field, and representations over the same field
 
the word has been spoken
 
@EricSilva use your words carefully... :P
 
(at least for now)
 
7:42 PM
1. representations of GL2 can be made from twisting representations of SL2 by some power of the determinant rep
2. the diagonal matrices is a maximal torus T and irreps of T correspond to integers
3. irreps of T give rise to irreps of B the lower triangular matrices
4. we "induce n from B to G"
what does the last one mean? @TobiasKildetoft
 
it means magic affine functor
 
@LeakyNun induction here is the right adjoint of restriction in the category of algebraic representations
 
I.. see...
 
meh, i have to install tor-browser just to f up the content mafia -.-
 
It can be explicitly constructed, but that is not so useful here
 
7:44 PM
why not induce straight from the trivial group to G ?
 
so we basically use Frobenius reciprocity for the defintion of induction (in the category of algebraic representations)
 
@mercio because that would give something infinite dimensional
 
mhm
 
@MatheinBoulomenos Right, except we want a right adjoint, whereas Frobenius usually says left
 
oh I see
 
7:45 PM
@TobiasKildetoft and what do you mean by G?
 
@LeakyNun Ahh, right. $G = GL_2$ here
 
Does "For a natural number $n$, let..." equal to "Fix $n$ a natural number, and..."?
 
but isn't G/B also infinite
 
@mercio Right, hence "miracle"
 
@manooooh in most contexts i think so
 
7:46 PM
i forgot about that
 
@TobiasKildetoft can you explain how you get a rep of GL2 from a rep of SL2?
 
you restrict it
 
@LeakyNun Woops, I meant $SL_2$, not $GL_2$
 
it's the other way that's annoying
 
ok
@mercio I think you misread?
 
7:47 PM
I was confused at your question and then i noticed it was about the mistake form above
G = SL2
 
But we can actually be more explicit here. $SL_2$ has an obvious action on the space of polynomials in $2$ varables (by letting those variables be the basis vectors in the natural representation)
 
I'm not seeing the obvious action
ok I see it now
is this a group acting on a ring?
 
I should have said "via ring homomorphisms"
And a nice feature of this is that it preserves the homogeneous polynomials of any given degree $n$
And indeed, the rep we got by starting with $n$ originally is precisely the one on homogeneous polynomials of degree $n$.
 
I usually think of SL2 acting on F^2
and now you say SL2 acts on F[X,Y]
and I know the relations between them
I'm curious as to whether you can get one from the other
 
@LeakyNun Right, because $F[X,Y]$ is the symmetric algebra on the span of $X,Y$
 
7:52 PM
no... I mean, F^2 = mSpec(F[X,Y])
assuming F=F-bar
 
Ahh, not sure how useful that is here.
 
alright
you lost me at "the rep we got by starting with $n$"
 
But anyway, we now know a specific rep of $SL_2$ for each non-negative integer $n$. Let's call this $\nabla(n)$.
 
strange name
 
eh, am I missing anything
 
7:53 PM
The one we got from the start by taking an irrep of $T$, which happened to be specified by an integer $n$
where we inflated to $B$ then induced to $G = SL_2$
I am now claiming that these things give the same rep
(the main idea is that the first procedure works for any reductive group, whereas this special description is for $SL_2$ specifically)
 
but one is finite dimensional and the other from the induction is infinite dimensional
 
oh I'm starting to get you now
 
unless the magic says that it's just infinitely many times the same one
 
@mercio No, the induction one was also finite dimensional (as I said, a mircale)
 
@TobiasKildetoft can you teach me what induction is?
 
7:55 PM
butG/Bisinfinite
 
this is a magical kind of induction
 
it is the adjoint of the restriction in the category of algebraic representations :*)
hmmm
 
@mercio Yes, the right adjoint
 
@TobiasKildetoft seriously
 
at this point I need to unfold all the definitions to check what this is claiming
 
7:56 PM
@LeakyNun I can write up the definition if you like
 
please do
 
so if V is a Grep and W is a Brep, Hom(alg-G-rep)(V, Ind(W)) = Hom(alg-B-rep)(Res(V),W) ?
 
In general, if $V$ is a rep of $H$ which is a subgroup of $G$, we define the induced representation by $\{f: G\to V\mid f(gh) = h^{-1}f(g)\}$ for $g\in G$ and $h\in H$
@mercio Right
 
your line is super confusing
 
that's not a representation...
 
8:01 PM
@LeakyNun Not yet no, because I have not defined the action on it. We act on such an $f$ by $(gf)(x) = f(g^{-1}x)$
@mercio What line?
 
butitisinfinitedimensional
 
I can't even see its dimension
 
@LeakyNun Hi Kenny.
 
@WillHunting hi
 
Good @WillHunting
 
8:03 PM
@mercio Ahh, right. I forgot to write explicitly that the $f$'s are morphisms of schemes
 
oO
 
@TedShifrin I find a family of lines parametrised by $(a,a,b,b)$ and one parametrised by $(c,d,c,d)$. My initial lines where parametrised by $(a,b,0,0)$, $(0,0,c,d)$ and $(a,b,a,b)$. On the right track?
 
oh
 
@TobiasKildetoft you seem to notate rep in a different way
in particular you seem to treat the vector space as the rep
does everyone do it this way?
 
@LeakyNun Switching freely between reps being vector spaces (with an action) and homomorphisms is very common, yes
 
8:06 PM
what is $f(gh)=h^{-1}f(g)$ supposed to mean?
 
@LeakyNun $gh$ is an element of $G$, so $f(gh)$ is an element of $V$. And $f(g)$ is an element of $V$, so $h^{-1}f(g)$ is also, since $h\in H$ and $H$ acts on $V$.
 
I know how to typecheck it...
I'm asking about the intuition behind such a criterion
 
it is more or less what it would mean for $f$ to be a homomorphism of representations of $H$, except acting on the right in each case (and of course with the action on $G$ not being linear)
It might be better to just ignore the technical stuff and just take the explicit construction instead. So we get a nice rep for each non-negative integer by acting on homogeneous polynomials
 
why is a rep of T uniquely determined by an integer?
 
this is again actually a bit of algebraic geometry
 
8:16 PM
how do you get a rep on B then
and what do you mean by sending (a,-a) to a^n?
 
Not $(a,-a)$, but $(a,a^{-1})$ (the diagonal matrix with those entries)
 
and what exactly is T?
 
And to get a rep of $B$, we can use that there is a surjective map $B\to T$
$T$ is the set of diagonal matrices in $SL_2$
 
Which of the elements of $\mathbb{Z}_n$ are nilpotent? The only answer I could come up with is that $\bar{x} \in \mathbb{Z}_n$ is nilpotent iff $x^m \equiv 0 (mod \ n)$ for some $m \in \mathbb{N}$
 
I have a feeling it would have been less confusing if I had never mentioned any of this and just started with the homogeneous polynomials
 
8:22 PM
@Perturbative Right, and which $x$ have this property?
 
@TobiasKildetoft well a bigger picture is always useful
@TobiasKildetoft what is B now, and what is the map?
 
@LeakyNun Sure, but it is getting us bogged down in some technical details that were probably not necessary
 
ok, let's just focus on the homogeneous polynomials if you like
 
$B$ is lower triangular matrices, and the map is quotient by those with $1$'s on the diagonal
 
quotient?
 
8:24 PM
Yes, the lower triangular matrices with $1$'s on the diagonal is a normal subgroup of $B$
Anyway, we now have this nice rep called $\nabla(n)$ for any non-negative integer $n$. And what is the dimension of this rep?
 
n+0!
 
right
 
@ÍgjøgnumMeg Hmm I'm not sure, I'm guessing that we'd only get nilpotent elements in $\mathbb{Z}_n$ if $n = p^k$ for some prime $p$, because like for example $\mathbb{Z}_6$ (seems) to contain no nilpotent elements apart from $\bar{0}$
 
@LeakyNun As it turns out, if either the characteristic of the field is $0$, or if it is $p$ and $n < p$ then the rep $\nabla(n)$ is irreducible
This is in fact not too hard to show by direct calculations
So the really interesting case to consider is what happens when $n\geq p$
So let's start by finding an invariant subspace when $n=p$. Any guesses to what it should be?
 
@TobiasKildetoft hmm...
lemme think
@TobiasKildetoft nope, not at all.
 
8:36 PM
@Perturbative that's almost right but slightly too restrictive, what about in $\Bbb Z/(12)$?
 
Can one quickly name the group and representation?
 
@LeakyNun Remember freshman's dream
@MikeMiller $SL_2$ acting on homogeneous polynomials of degree $n$
(in two variables)
 
Got it
Didn't understand the triangular matrix discussion above so figured I'd just ask
 
@TobiasKildetoft so basically (aX+bY)^p?
i.e. aX^p + bY^p
 
8:40 PM
ok
 
Note that this looks a bit like the natural rep for $SL_2$, except everything has been raised to the $p$'th power
And in fact, raising all entries to the $p$'th power is of course a homomorphism from $SL_2$ to itself, so what we have done here is twist the natural rep by this homomorphism.
 
Nice
 
:o
 
A useful thing to do in this sort of setup is to look for a vector which is fixed by the upper triangular matrices with $1$'s on the diagonal, and then check how $T$ acts on that vector.
So which vector is that here?
 
so it sends X to X+aY and Y to Y
so the vector is Y^p
 
8:44 PM
Note that I now wanted upper triangular, not lower
though that is just a matter of picking which of $X$ and $Y$ go first of course (I just assumed you would have $X$ go first)
 
can a 2d object contain a 3d object without bogus-math?
 
that's the definition of bogus-math
 
Anyway, so a diagonal matrix $(a,a^{-1})$ acts as what scalar on this vector?
 
upper then X
it acts as a
 
not quite
remember that the action came from acting on $X$ and $Y$ and respecting multiplication of polynomials
 
8:49 PM
@mercio but it is imaginable, a 3d house on a 2d street, something like that i mean :D
ah no actually the street wouldnt contain the house then...
 
@TobiasKildetoft sorry, somehow I couldn't access this chatroom
 
$\pi : \text{House} \subset \Bbb R^3 \to \text{Street} \subset \Bbb R^2$ is the guy you're looking for
 
anyway, for upper traingular matrices, X^p is fixed
 
and (a,a^-1) acting on X^p gives a^p X^p
 
8:52 PM
right
 
@ÍgjøgnumMeg Hmm I don't think $\mathbb{Z}/(12)$ contains any nilpotent elements either
 
Now, it is easy to see that whatever we pick $n$ to be, the vector $X^n$ will be fixed like this and acted on by $T$ via the scalar $n$.
 
@Perturbative what about $6$?
 
@Perturbative it does
 
Let us call $L(n)$ the subrepresentation generated by $X^n$.
So a quick check of the $n=p$ case shows us that in that case $L(p)$ has dimension $2$ and is precisely the space we found before.
 
8:56 PM
Oh derp $6^3 \equiv 0 \ (mod \ 12)$
 
@Perturbative $6^2 \equiv 0 \bmod 12$
what's the difference between $6$ and $12$ in terms of their prime factorisations?
 
@LeakyNun Note also that $L(1)$ is the natural representation of $SL_2$.
 
@Perturbative or rather, what is different about the prime factorisations of $6$ and $12$?
 
$6 = 2\cdot 3$ and $12 = 2^2 \cdot 3$, their prime factors are the same, only differing by powers of one prime factor
 
Now, we can twist any representation that that homomorphism which raises all entries to the $p$'th power. If we do this to a representation $V$, let us call the result $V^{(1)}$ (we have twisted $1$ time).
 
8:58 PM
@Perturbative Conjecture: $\Bbb Z/(n)$ contains a non-zero nilpotent element iff $p^2 \mid n$ for some prime $p$.
 
So one thing we have now seen is that $L(p)\cong L(1)^{(1)}$.
 
or rather
a non-zero nilpotent element*
 
@TobiasKildetoft sorry, this room was down again for me
 
@LeakyNun Ok, there are a couple of messages up there, not all of them with pings
 

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