@johann Since you asked

@InkBlend I never realized it was appropriate behavior to go into someone elses chatroom and tell them they're doin' it wrong.

@Johann I have been, I just don't usually use Arqade.

@Retrosaur this sounds like a bad idea to me

We love swearing here.

@OrigamiRobot facedesk

@OrigamiRobot Why?

hey whose avatar is a kirby

@InkBlend we are savages

derp

@InkBlend we're a reasonably relaxed community

It's @Krazer, the little balls

on wheels

@InkBlend Because swearing is fucking awesome. BUY TORGUE

@kalina And we're adults.

@OrigamiRobot wat

@OrigamiRobot EXPLOSIONSSSS!!!!111!eleven!

@Johann if you don't know a Borderlands reference when you see what, you're missing something fundamental in your gaming preferences

@kalina isnt borderlands a fallout ripoff

123 flame war

jk

1/10 made me reply

no, it's a ripoff of mario

but thanks for trying

If you want to find truly offensive things to flag, flag people who say "jk"

@Retrosaur clap clap clap

@kalina you just said jk

flagged

@Johann try it, see how long you last

I WILL PURGE YOU WITH FIRE

@kalina The amount I care is below i

Anyone doing any JK runs in SK?

Presumably the amount you care is lower than the amount of sense you make!

I'm having a hard time farming JK because I suck at getting good gear JK

which is pretty low

@kalina keep them rolling

comedy gold

@Retrosaur jk in dk

dk seems to be ruined by nintendo

How so?

I always thought having an MGS x DK saga would go nicely

in terms of sales

MGS

@Retrosaur Balls? Wut balls?

cant say i know the abbreviation

@Krazer out of nowhere

@Johann Just curious

Why did you say Yahoo Answers is great?

@Retrosaur what is MGS

Because I think you're all idiots. Obviously, AskPeter is the best. 100% correctness guaranteed!

@Retrosaur you actually look through the script

It's in the starred page

look in the right hand side

@Retrosaur obviously the straight dope

@Retrosaur why did I get so many stars

@Krazer Isn't kirby just an anorexic ball

@Johann Don't look at me, I ain't do nothin' yet

@Retrosaur kirby is hollow on the inside

I...think

@Retrosaur it's a bulimic mutant mashmallow

hey when does gnomeslice get unbanned

With little balls as arms

@Johann Because someone pinned it (@LessPop?) And 7 other people think it's worth having on the star list, for posterity.

@Unionhawk enlightening

@Krazer Just like Tails eh?

@Retrosaur hey what was the deal with knuckles

@Johann Basically, we think that's an incredibly stupid comment. Because Yahoo Answers is the exact opposite of, "great". To put it bluntly.

@Retrosaur he's an orange

@Unionhawk ha. comedy gold

@Johann His name suggests he's compensating for something else

answers.yahoo.com

it is not that bad

@Johann It is that bad.

@Unionhawk Which brings about the real question

@Retrosaur he

Y! Answers vs AskJeeves

@Unionhawk look how much I care

@Retrosaur the answer is always no

@Retrosaur AskJeeves. Because AskJeeves was a search engine iirc (I may not recall correctly... it was a long time ago), and, more importantly, because Jeeves.

anyone else bored

Ask.com died when Jeeves retired.

the 28th

:(

@Krazer For the network. Chat isn't til July.

I heard he just spams

hey worst game ever played

@Fluttershy What was the story behind that? I missed out.

@Krazer he spammed the end

This is the epitome of why I hate Y! Answers

answers.yahoo.com/question/…

@Krazer I don't even remember. Something about flag abuse, and a pattern of inappropriate... stuff... and ban evasions.

worst game ever played

Just read the question I linked, and watch all

@Retrosaur This is why I hate it: answers.yahoo.com/dir/…

your brain cells committ suicide one by one

"no trace of ginger runs in my family"

pfffffffffffffffffff

comedic gold right there

i resort to derp

derp derp derp

herp herp derp?

@Unionhawk answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090507130523AAyaHEu

@Krazer That illicited a chuckle outta me.

@Krazer Yeah.

"I told you I'd implant my seed in you"

@Retrosaur dernt merk fern er yerher

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Yahoo Answers needs to die. Because the model of "Ask a stupid question, get a stupider answer" does not work. Ever.

@Krazer After a long time, Highschool of the Dead update

I AM SO HAPPPEH FOR ONCE

@Unionhawk and as the general finished his speech, thousands of citizens clapped

everyone wept

and the entire country CARED

Yay, now I can see what the Escape Pod is writing about me as I write here! Hi Escape Pod users!

wat is eascpe pod

@Johann Less weeping, more removing every single person who asks a stupid question on Yahoo answers from the planet. Now

Because I'm too lazy to not live on this planet anymore

Great futurama reference

Also, look who's talking about us!

yay

Go on, quote me.

Do your trolling.

DARING

HEHE

He finally returns

the truth comes out

To the land of milk and honey

HEHE

this is going to be good

for like two seconds

Johann

@badp @BenBrocka @Krazer @RavenDreamer @Oak @agent86 @MadScientist please could you remove the noise from this channel by banning Retrosaur and Johann

This has gone on long enough now

@kalina no one else is on here

They've been repeatedly disruptive for hours over multiple days

@Johann I don't see what's wrong. We're discussing Gaming

ive been on here for two days

@Retrosaur we were like the only two on here

I don't see anything bannable here, but okay...

@Johann No, you aren't. I just have nothing to say right now

Two users engaging in conversation when no one is around is now considered a bannable offense! Wonderful! It's like I'm forced to talk to myself to not get banned!

@Retrosaur thunderous applause

Let's let the moderators decide based on chat logs

not based on the words of users

@FEichinger Direct insults are not acceptable, I've removed it for now without suspension, but that won't happen a second time

Because, as Cave Johnson said, Humans, cannot be trusted.

It is getting to the point where the active user base of this stackexchange site is not willing to use the site

@MadScientist finally justice

And I'll ask everyone to calm down first.

@Retrosaur No, two users generating noise in a normally active chatroom, solely for the sake of annoying other users is a bannable offense. If you two want to keep acting this way, make a separate room.

ok no more spamming now

(at least Robots gave us 6 seconds of co-operation. Go robots.)

We are NOT generating noise to annoy others

@Fluttershy we were the only two on here

I'm chatting with Johann about gaming

I don't like how you directly assume we're trollign

when I'm actually trying to have a fun, upspirited conversation

if I was a troll I would have named my username trollguy or something

Because all anyone wants to do in this chatroom is talk about daily life, how their day went, something about ponies

@Johann You have been annoying a great number of users in this chat, that at least I noticed. I'm pretty sure something is going wrong here, but I'm not acting without knowing the full background

@MadScientist Ive just been talking to retrosaur

@MadScientist @AnnaLear stated yesterday that being disruptive is sufficient for a chat ban

Myself and at least 5 other users will vouch for their disruptiveness

@kalina cussing is also sufficient

@kalina And they've pretty clearly been disruptive.

I won't speak for him, I have no clue what's happening, but a bunch of users are spouting completely useless drivel as to what is considered "disruptive".

@kalina Agreed

What is "disruptive"?

Please for the love of sanity get rid of the noise, the signal is being drowned out

@kalina o/

@kalina Can't stop the signal.

Once you start broadcasting, you can never go back

@OrigamiRobot You can never stop the signal, Mal.

@kalina Here as well. As much as I try to deal with it

If GnomeSlice can get banned for six months by being GnomeSlice, both of these two should be picking up similar bans

You've all played Left 4 Dead 2

@MadScientist It has simply hit the point where it's flat-out too late. This crap has been going on for two days now.

If you want to find out something then stop chatting "STOP BEING DISRUPTIVE YOU ARE THE MOST LOW DOWN PEOPLE" and solve whatever problem there seems to be

I've been in this chat room for 2 hours in the past 2 days

@kalina This is a complicated enough situation that I don't really want to act as an external mod if I don't have to

@MadScientist it's ban enough that we've moved into a different channel, and now Retro has made himself at home there too

Since we can't remove him from the other channel, we're out of options

@kalina Make that one a gallery room if you want

Moderator intervention is now required

Oh good, playing victim cards now.

@Johann You are the problem. We are trying to solve you.

Wait, I'm terribly confused

can someone explain to me what I have done

Are you all mad at @Retrosaur, @Johann, or both?

uh-oh I leave for a second and shit goes downnnnn

@Retrosaur both

@Retrosaur Very clearly both.

@Retrosaur we've asked you to leave the other channel, you've made it clear that you're not going to

Therefore this is the next and only solution

Whoa, so entering other chat rooms with no specific rules are a bannable offense nwo

I'm getting excited, I can hardly wake? It's like private treehouses or something

@Retrosaur The purpose of the other room is to avoid you two so that we avoid this friction

This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "General Chat Room for Arqade.com. The main quarters of Arqade's SEI AskQuestion Mothership, wherein we celebrate one million messages (chat.stackexchange.com/messages/8706905/history)."; - conversation should be limited to that topic.

Lets take a moment to calm down.

For everyone that doesn't know it, if you click on the user you can select "ignore this user" and won't see their posts anymore. That might be useful in this situation

Anyone here selling TF2 items :C

@Johann TBQH, you've been substantially less awful tonight - if still not a shining citizen. Retro however, continues to be a reprhensible moron.

@MadScientist Ignoring is great for a personal level. It is not when it's multiple users constantly doing this to the entire room.

@MadScientist That is true, but often if a user is annoying everyone else, it's better to deal with the source of the problem than to have some subset of the users ignore that user

@MadScientist This is the whole of the Bridge that has a problem with these two

@FEichinger I'm recomending this for the short term

Ignore is not the solution

Have you posted rules for chat on your meta?

That we can then enforce?

We haven't been doing anything bannable, I don't understand why everyone's raising a fuss over nothing

This is something that should involve all of the Gaming mods

@BrianBallsun-Stanton @AnnaLear as a stackexchange employee stated that disruptive behaviour is sufficient enough for a suspension

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Aren't there general rules, like don't go into a room and bother everyone after repeated requests to stop?

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Unsure. But we did have a member of the SE Team inform us that being disruptive is a banable offense.

@LessPop_MoreFizz ahem

@Retrosaur He already ate a suspension for that. Drop it.

If the moderation team is not willing to enforce stackexchange rules then expect a complaint against moderators as well

Yes, but operationalizing disruptive is generally useful for a community.

I had no clue, no need to be aggresive

it just showed up in the starred list on the right

I.e. what behaviours do you, as gaming, consider disruptive?

because this is getting stupid now

"people interrupting our conversations boohoo"

@BrianBallsun-Stanton repeatedly posting nonsensical crap, hitting the spam limiter with constant 'jks', forcibly trying to change the conversation, many other things

There's nobody in this chatroom, but someone has to come pretending we're causing a disruption

@Retrosaur Wrong. We were all here. We weren't talking because of the disruption.

@Retrosaur There's nobody in the chatroom because we all left to avoid you people...

@kalina So if you have a meta post with guidelines and rules then it's trivial to enforce. If you want the mods of sister sites to come in and make a call about disruption... it's rather harder.

So take this to your meta. Get community consensus.

Make actual and objective rules, please.

And hopefully, community consensus doesn't mean "let's get everyone who isn't me get banned!"

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Disruption shouldn't require community consensus to define. If you are annoying all of the regulars, it's disruptive.

@kalina Your moderation team is asleep now, probably. We don't have 24h service. And this whole thing has a rather long history that is necessary to know to act appropriately, and I haven't read the whole transcript of the stuff from yesterday

@MadScientist you are sitting here with multiple regulars making an identical complaint but refusing to do anything about it

@murgatroid99 No, actually. It should require community building. Especially if you have a community. Creating explicit and intentional norms is part of keeping that community alive. Making your intentions and expectations clear can help set boundaries.

@SaintWacko You should be good, assuming you didn't get my other ping.

This is the third time I've personally seen the room put on time out due to disruptions involving Retrosaur.

@kalina Yep. And I agree with his call. We have no evidence besides spending half an hour reading chat logs of a community we don't know.

We need @AnnaLear in here...

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Then, being as polite as possible, what is the point in you being in here at all?

@kalina The part from today is not suspension-worthy alone from what I've seen. It could be in combination with the stuff that happened yesterday, but I have mostly heard about that and not read the transcript.

@kalina Because there were multiple flags on chat. If you all could then bring up a meta saying "look, X.Y.Z is a problem according to our community" we could fix.

And that is the purpose of meta.

We need a solution to this problem and we need it now.

I see that the Escape Pod is under lock down...

Then use your ignore function.

@FEichinger What happened since I left?

If the moderation team are happy causing an exodus on Arqade then carry on as you're going

I'm sure you'll start losing users soon enough

@Scootaloo Three guesses why

@kalina Ugh... I am so confused.

I understand hesitation, but at this point, you have two new users and on the other side a whole lot of people who ask for an action. That's not a call that should be stalled and pushed to meta.

@BrianBallsun-Stanton I remember seeing multiple Meta.SO posts that seemed to imply that the norms of a chat room are implicitly considered to be rules

@Fluttershy this so much, I was looking for this

@kalina Thank @OrigamiRobot.

In principle, but not that it necessarily happened here

@BrianBallsun-Stanton @MadScientist you have a stackexchange employee stating that it is correct to ban both of these users

It did.

are you still going to hesitate?

I am a hero.

Read that, she never explicity stated that we did something "suspension worthy"

@Fluttershy What the hell happened?!

@kalina Please, stop antagonizing the mods. The ones for our site aren't here for whatever reason, and the ones who are here don't have enough information to act appropriately

She only placeddown guidelines

@Retrosaur You've been trolling here for a long time

@murgatroid99 Because we don't have enough!

@Fluttershy The "way too much to try to catch up" is the problem here, that is why we leave the final decision to the gaming mods.

@murgatroid99 I'm not allowed to point out the obvious but these two are allowed to run rampant with their crap?

@MadScientist Then freeze the Bridge until it's decided.

Can you do to the Bridge what you did to the Escape Pod?

@kalina I'm not saying that we shouldn't ban them; I'm just saying that if the mods who are here don't have the information to act in good faith, we shouldn't force them to act

@SaintWacko I could, but I think it would be a bit over the top.

I guess the other solution is that we abuse the flag system to get rid of them

@LessPop_MoreFizz Just until our own mods are on

@LessPop_MoreFizz I could too, but somebody removed me from the owners list.

@kalina That's what I was thinking

we have enough 10k+ users on to achieve that

@kalina This is never a good idea.

One user seems to be gone.

Guys, your community mods have been informed of this development. Please have some patience and let them handle this situation.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm saying it's an option since nobody else will do anything about it

It might be futile, but couldn't we just all try solve this without having to suspend anyone? This means, Retrosaur and Johann try to avoid the behaviour that annoys the other user here, and everyone else tries to drop this topic?

I would just like to point out that the disruption has essentially stopped for now, so there is no urgent need to act

@MadScientist We've requested that before

@MadScientist Don't you think we tried that already?

@murgatroid99 yes it has

@MadScientist We've tried that. We've tried explaining to them both explicitly what behavior needed correcting.

@MadScientist we requested multiple times that they stopped being incessantly annoying

the next time that they do, they will get flagged and (presumably) banned

@MadScientist I want to ping you too!

@FEichinger That's my point of not having read the whole hundred pages of chat backlog, I don't know how much you tried it.

@MadScientist many times

@murgatroid99 That's what happens every time. Consequences approach, and they pull back for a little while. Then once people start to forget, they come back, and the whole thing starts over

multiple different people too

That was just yesterday, telling Johann to behave.

@FEichinger That was pretty wonderful

As for Retrosaur, before he went out pulling the Hitler card yesterday, we were all just as friendly to him, telling him to behave.

@SaintWacko Now that the community mods have been informed and they can read the chat log, they can take appropriate action when they get back online

@FEichinger "Friendly means calling others idiots. Mhm"

@MadScientist This is pretty relevant to tonight's events. It's from last night. Some of the behavior, and the beginnings of users trying to express a need for a change.

Don't think I have no clue what was going on in the Escape Pod

As we talked, you guys were making snide remarks about our "intelligence" multiple times and remarked on our supposed "stupidity" yesterday

So much for "friendly". If you're going to try, at least try to get your facts straight.

@Retrosaur We tried friendly. Friendly didn't work.

@SaintWacko Accurate.

@Retrosaur Need I remind you that you got three suspensions in a day before?

@Retrosaur in the last month, you are the most banned user in this channel

The transcript is publicly readable.

by miles

@FEichinger Long time ago, why bring it up now?

I don't understand the point you're trying to make

"Oh he got suspended before, he must be an idiot"

@Retrosaur You still act exactly the same if not worse.

great logic mhm

@FEichinger Speak for yourself

Not for me

@Retrosaur you are disruptive and don't care, you're not interested in changing the fact, and you're a troll

@Retrosaur the point is that you have a history of being aggressively, willfully disruptive.

Despite being called out on it, asked to stop, etc.

"Google Fiber is being implemented in two of the dumbest states in the entire country" - LessPop_MoreFizz

More to the matter at hand, the point is that you are without any basis for pleading ignorance in this matter.

"Fuck Texas" - LessPop_MoreFizz

@Retrosaur You're strawmanning now. Stop it

And drop it as well

And when you are called out on it, you start trying to show how everyone else is doing the wrong thing instead of just stopping.

I see no reason to bring in my other suspensions

If I flag Retro right now, are people willing to approve it?

@kalina Don't do it.

It's not worth the hassle it'd bring.

I don't care about the hassle, I'd find me being pulled up on purging the noise out of this room after no moderator was willing to deal with it highly ironic

@LessPop_MoreFizz He was doing better. Until he was encouraged.

@Retrosaur You've got me. I'm really fucking fond of profanity. I use the shit out of words that some people find problematic. Occasionally, it gets me in trouble, especially when someone not used to the bridges atmosphere steps in and sees OMG FOUR LETTER WORDS, but there is a difference between the use of said four letter words and actively, aggressively trolling.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Was this meant for me? >_> Boop.

@kalina It's tempting, but @Fluttershy has a good point

@Retrosaur Again: The reason is that you have not changed since then. You are still being as annoying.

@Fluttershy shitty laptop has a bad trackpad. Teach me to chat from the work computer. Especially while unsober.

@LessPop_MoreFizz No worries.