Escape Pod. - 2013-04-10 (page 2 of 3)

FEichinger

04:02

Something's fishy.

Well ... something's fishy and Retro/Johann are being Retro/Johann ...

Fluttershy

@kalina that was an invalid flag and you know it.

kalina

it wasn't me

Fluttershy

Oh.

Then I rescind my statement! <_<

The timing was just... off.

kalina

I can see why you'd think it was me

but it was a coincidence

Fluttershy

Welp... Bridge is dead for the rest of tonight, apparently.

FEichinger

04:08

Looks like it.

kalina

Is... this a Skyrim reference?

Fluttershy

@kalina Unfortunately...

There's an achievement for it called "Former Adventurer".

I miss the old Bridge.

FEichinger

I am not sure if they're being dense like a brick on purpose, or if they're genuinely like that.

Fluttershy

@FEichinger I think it's the latter.

FEichinger

Sadly, I agree.

Fluttershy

04:13

I wish they would just make their own fucking room...

@kalina It is pretty effective though! For what that's worth....

kalina

it is indeed

FEichinger

I still don't know why we didn't finally sack them.

At this point, they have been thoroughly disruptive.

Disruptive in the strictest sense of the word by making us abandon ship again.

kalina

I am pretty saddened in the recent massive increase is noise to signal ratio

Fluttershy

@kalina Likewise. But we don't have any chatmods with experience here... Krazer's new to this whole fiasco.

FEichinger

Ben just showed up, but, well.

kalina

04:20

I actually hate using 'ignore' features, I normally just ignore people in my head

but it's agitating me reading all their crap

Retrosaur

Speak of the devil

FEichinger

Oh for the love of god.

Retrosaur

Look who just joined the chat room

kalina

@Retrosaur please leave

you are not welcome here

Trent Hawkins

oh god....

FEichinger

04:22

I'm getting sick of this bullshit.

Fluttershy

@FEichinger We all are, man.

Ping @MadScientist

LessPop_MoreFizz

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kalina

This isn't going to stop him from quoting the contents of the channel

Fluttershy

@kalina Wonder if that'd be a bannable offense.

kalina

04:33

With any luck, now it's a gallery, hopefully

I wonder if requesting my account to be deleted through the official channels citing the disruption of these two will cause action to be taken

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Fluttershy

Man... Giving all the necessary users write access is gonna take forever. x_x

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LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Easier to just make a few people owners and then promote as they request

Fluttershy

@SaintWacko All set.

@spugsley Good to go.

Stack Exchange

04:39

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spugsley

this is getting fucking ridiculous, guys

SaintWacko

Testing

spugsley

who the fuck is brian?

SaintWacko

Ah, good

LessPop_MoreFizz

RPG.SE mod

Fluttershy

04:40

Also, all this shit has proven to me is that we need more Arqade mods.

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OrigamiRobot

Oh are we in here again?

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot Someone hasn't been paying attention.

SaintWacko

Yeah

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz why is he in the bridge?

Fluttershy

And I can't find Anna's post about stupidity being suspendable.

SaintWacko

04:41

@spugsley Flags, probably

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy I've been hunting monsters.

Unionhawk

in The Bridge, 1 min ago, by Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@kalina Because there were multiple flags on chat. If you all could then bring up a meta saying "look, X.Y.Z is a problem according to our community" we could fix.

OrigamiRobot

in The Bridge, yesterday, by Anna Lear

@LessPop_MoreFizz If stupidity leads to being disruptive and antagonizing folks in chat, a chat suspension is totally appropriate. (Not saying that happened here, necessarily - way too much for me to even try to catch up on. But in principle.)

Fluttershy

My hero.

spugsley

@kalina needs to chill too

please

OrigamiRobot

04:44

I knew my stupid chat searching would pay off one day.

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot You really are pretty awesome at it.

Scootaloo

@LessPop_MoreFizz @Fluttershy can one of you please tell me what went wrong on The Bridge?

kalina

why do we have none of our own moderators on at this time of day

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Scootaloo Retrosaur went wrong.

spugsley

@kalina because they have lives

LessPop_MoreFizz

04:47

@kalina Because Oak and Juan don't really show up in chat much, Raven has become more of a daytime person, and badp is a euro

and agent86 has small children

kalina

@spugsley we were told we didn't need more mods, this is proof that we do

FEichinger

What went wrong is that noone suspended them. Other mods don't want to act, our mods aren't around and we didn't flag them to death.

SaintWacko

@kalina Are all our mods in the same time zone?

kalina

@SaintWacko nope

Fluttershy

@Scootaloo Somewhere around here, or near enough.

Scootaloo

04:49

in The Bridge, 46 mins ago, by Retrosaur

no, it's a ripoff of mario

That'll do it.

@FEichinger Why won't anyone suspend him?

@LessPop_MoreFizz well I am happy I am not in this mix:

in The Bridge, 1 min ago, by Mad Scientist

It might be futile, but couldn't we just all try solve this without having to suspend anyone? This means, Retrosaur and Johann try to avoid the behaviour that annoys the other user here, and everyone else tries to drop this topic?

kalina

@Scootaloo the difference between you and the others, is when we told you that you were being disruptive, you sorted it out

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Trent Hawkins

@Scootaloo I'd say it started around.... here; chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/35/2013/4/9/0-1

OrigamiRobot

I'd say it started when Retrosaur found chat.

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Scootaloo

@TrentHawkins Why did you link to a post directed at me? I've sorted out my issues with most here.

So why the hell are my STILL taking blame?

Fluttershy

@Scootaloo You aren't. o_o

Unionhawk

04:54

@Scootaloo I think he meant to say that's when it all started. The total beginning of all of this.

Fluttershy

As far as I'm concerned, you've apologized, expressed an interest in getting to know the community better, and we don't have any problems.

Trent Hawkins

@Scootaloo I linked to the wrong message, sorry, meant that to be linked to "can one of you please tell me what went wrong on The Bridge?" which goes back about 48 hours, really, during the last exodus to the escape pod.

Scootaloo

@Fluttershy @Unionhawk @TrentHawkins Alright. I'm logging off for a bit - too much drama going on atm. Nite everyone.

kalina

@Scootaloo nn

Fluttershy

@Scootaloo G'night! Don't let this drama discourage you!

Can mods get around the write access stuff?

kalina

04:59

I think so

FEichinger

Yep.

kalina

Do room owners not get the ability to kick people?

or is that mod only

LessPop_MoreFizz

@kalina There is no 'kick'. Bans/suspensions are mod only.

Fluttershy

@kalina Doesn't look like it.

kalina

It's a shame that SE chat doesn't have more of the featureset of IRC

it would be nice for "room owners" to be able to remove people from a channel

SaintWacko

05:00

@kalina Hmm, maybe we should just get an IRC channel...

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz I remember @badp kicked me out of a room once for brohoofing. I wasn't suspended, but I was thrown, briefly, from the room.

kalina

@LessPop_MoreFizz there is a "kick"

SaintWacko

/join #bridge

LessPop_MoreFizz

@kalina There are days I want to get the last dozen or so people I needs contact or IM info, and be done with the whole thing.

kalina

@SaintWacko that fragments the community even more than this fiasco

spugsley

05:01

alright guys, I can't do this two chat windows at once plus drama, etc. And it's late. Good night

Krazer

While Retrosaur might have a history of being disruptive you don't need to keep calling him out on this. Go about your business, talk about something besides him. If he's trolling ignore him. If it gets too bad, I'll do the dirty deed of kicking him.

kalina

@spugsley nn

SaintWacko

@kalina Yeah, true. I do love me some IRC, though

LessPop_MoreFizz

Hmmmmm. Should I finish this whiskey?

kalina

@LessPop_MoreFizz yes

Unionhawk

05:02

@LessPop_MoreFizz When asking the internet, the answer is always yes

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz you already know the answer to this question

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Krazer We have tried this. Repeatedly. He's gotten smart enough not to do it when our mods are around.

kalina

@Krazer what is the official ruling on hidden/private channels, they're not allowed except for moderation purposes right?

SaintWacko

in The Bridge, 12 hours ago, by OrigamiRobot

We all support each others bad habits

Mad Scientist

If they're not doing it now, the acute problem is solved. For the whole situation you have the Gaming mods to decide.

OrigamiRobot

05:03

I'm famous!

Mad Scientist

@kalina Yes, SE excplicitly said that they're not to be used for any other purpose

kalina

that's a shame

LessPop_MoreFizz

Currently on the counter in this hotel room: 9 12 oz beer bottles. 2 22 oz beer bottles. And an empty 5th of whiskey.

kalina

because for the most part, we were happy avoiding them

but then he came in here specifically to quote us in the bridge

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz Are the beer bottles empty? You didn't specify.

kalina

05:05

and we've asked him to leave here, but he won't

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Yes.

SaintWacko

We really don't care where we are, as long as we can all find each other

FEichinger

We have essentially hit the point where we're tiering the chat into new guys and regulars. This should not be the case.

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Ever.

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz Dang.

@FEichinger You know with whom the blame lies.

SaintWacko

@FEichinger trolls and non-trolls

Fluttershy

05:06

Was that grammar good? I feel the alcohol... But not enough.

FEichinger

@SaintWacko I'm not saying right now, I'm saying for the future.

Fluttershy

@Brant Done.

SaintWacko

@FEichinger What do you mean?

FEichinger

@SaintWacko If nothing changes, this leads to the Escape Pod becoming our new General Chat. Locked down tight, needs permissions to be manually set. The normal General chat just ends up the newbie dump.

OrigamiRobot

@FEichinger There are plenty of users newer than Retrosuar who have been welcomed.

Brant

05:07

This is stupid.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot this is true

FEichinger

I, personally, have neither nerve, nor heartstrings to stay in the Bridge, if it stays like that.

OrigamiRobot

They all have blue default gravatars.

FEichinger

And if we actually abandon the Bridge, we are creating a newbie dump over there.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FEichinger Agreed. I really don't like this situation. At all.

Fluttershy

05:09

@LessPop_MoreFizz None of us do. =\

SaintWacko

@FEichinger Ah, yeah, that's what we're being forced into if action is not taken against those who are disruptive

FEichinger

@LessPop_MoreFizz I am fairly certain no one does, but it's just exactly where we're headed here.

Fluttershy

Oh hey! I might be starting the C25K program on Monday!

DON'T YOU DIE ON ME ESCAPE POD

Krazer

@Fluttershy I have a friend who just started on one of those, are you doing any routine in particular?

SaintWacko

Okay, I really am enjoying the debate, but I have to be at work early in the morning

Fluttershy

05:12

@Krazer I guess we're just doing the default one. This one.

I'm interested to see how I do now that I've been smoke free for ~5 months...

SaintWacko

G'night, Bridge

FEichinger

o7

Fluttershy

@SaintWacko G'night!

Krazer

@Fluttershy oh gratz~

@SaintWacko o/

Fluttershy

@Krazer Thanks. =)

kalina

05:14

@SaintWacko nn

Fluttershy

ONE OF OUR MODS SHOWED UP

Trent Hawkins

@Fluttershy ooh, I recall that being quite effective... I was on a similar thing with my dad back in grades 7-8

Fluttershy

@TrentHawkins It's really the best way to train for endurance running. It worked for me before I hurt my back, and that was when I was smoking 1-2 packs a day. I'm excited to see how I handle it now.

Oak

Yea I'm here, though I really should be going to work. I've been trying since yesterday to understand what's going on, but there's apparently a huge chat backlog

Fluttershy

@Oak Hullo again.

@Oak Two nights in a row of this crap. =\ It is a lot to take in.

kalina

05:18

It is a lot to take in

but tomorrow it will be three nights in a row

Trent Hawkins

@Fluttershy I wish you luck. Which reminds me, I should probably get back to exercising this summer... I used to be able to ride my bike half-way across Winnipeg without breaking a sweat. Not so much anymore.

Fluttershy

@kalina stops copies me!

@TrentHawkins I really miss exercising. But it's really hard for me to self-motivate. >_>

kalina

@Fluttershy DO YOU KNOW WHAT?

Oak

@Fluttershy so how come two people chatting becomes unbearable? Just a large influx of messages?

kalina

I think it's strangely convenient that there are all of these Lara-sized holes in the rocks

LessPop_MoreFizz

05:20

@Oak Retrosaur is being Retrosaur.

Fluttershy

Also, for reference: This? What Retrosaur is doing right now? it's part of why I can't stand him. If you have something to say, you don't have to space it out over 8 lines of sentence fragments.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Johann is learning and probably needs less of a ban and more of a good example.

Retrosaur is the epitome of not a good example.

kalina

@Oak argumentative, trolling, repeatedly and aggressively trying to change teh subject

when you pull Retro up on doing something wrong he will then immediately go and quote out of context a bunch of other instances he deems justifies why he can do it

FEichinger

@Oak A lack of common decency sums it up.

kalina

sentences spread over multiple lines because they want to even after being asked to just chat properly

generally being annoying and unfriendly to the point where even the calmest of people (like @Fluttershy) start to lose their calmness

Fluttershy

05:22

@kalina To be fair, that is extremely easy for me to do. I filter myself a great deal in the Bridge. Something Retrosaur needs to learn to do.

Trent Hawkins

@Fluttershy I get too lethargic during winter, and if I don't make a real solid effort, if carries forth into summer, and results in an entire year effectively on my ass.

Fluttershy

I have an incredibly short fuse.

kalina

they've each been asked to stop and sort it out by multiple people and because no action is being taken they take that as justification that they're OK

Fluttershy

@TrentHawkins I know that feeling all too well. It makes me sad, really.

kalina

@Oak basically, it's bad enough that we created a new channel

and then they came in here, to continue stirring up more trouble

Fluttershy

05:23

@kalina Which then got invaded.

kalina

fully aware that we don't want them in here

Fluttershy

Well crap. I type to slow, apparently.

@kalina Only one. Not both.

kalina

and after asking politely for them to leave, he began pasting quotes from here into the bridge

well that's true I guess

OrigamiRobot

When did 1:30 get here? I need to go to sleep.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot 6:30

Fluttershy

05:24

@OrigamiRobot Sleep when you're like Batman's parents!

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Even worse!

FEichinger

@kalina No sleep is best sleep, isn't it?

Fluttershy

kalina

@FEichinger I sleep when it is light

Trent Hawkins

@OrigamiRobot 1:30? checks clock oh, hey, it's the 10th. Happy birthday to me.

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kalina

05:25

@TrentHawkins happy birthday

Fluttershy

@TrentHawkins Happy birthday!

FEichinger

@TrentHawkins \o/

Oak

Okay. Trollish behavior is bannable, looking into it more. Why was there a need to create a new channel, though, in the presence of the ignore mechanism? Was something done to circumvent it?

Trent Hawkins

Thank you, thank you, and thank you!

FEichinger

@Oak Ignore is good on a personal basis. Not when it's intentional disruptive behavior against the entire room.

kalina

05:26

@Oak because it would have involved every user on the bridge putting them on ignore

the correct solution in that instance is to remove the troublesome users

FEichinger

We removed ourselves, lacking the ability to remove them.

kalina

if you note, the entire active userbase of the bridge is in here

or was, some are now sleeping

Fluttershy

Minus the ones who are sleeping.

DAMMIT @KALINA STOP BEING FASTER THAN ME

kalina

@Fluttershy definitely a faster typer

FEichinger

@Fluttershy Ninja'd again!

Fluttershy

05:27

I. Am. Inebriated.

OrigamiRobot

I am still awake.

kalina

so am I

OrigamiRobot

Stupid Internet

Unionhawk

Speaking of sleep... looks to my left damn. Still scheduling. Oh well.

murgatroid99

I'm here

Fluttershy

05:27

@kalina Hush it up, you.

kalina

@Fluttershy :p~

Fluttershy

@murgatroid99 /)

FEichinger

Oh, we're supposed to say that we're awake?

Yeh, I still am.

kalina

@Fluttershy one thing that gets me about this game, is you can walk up to a dude that is stood next to another dude, murder him, and the other dude just stands there oblivious

FEichinger

I envy those people outside the EU. Being able to sleep after the drama.

Oak

05:28

And finally, have their messages been flagged?

Fluttershy

But yes, a good portion of the active Bridge users are in here.

FEichinger

Or before ...

kalina

@Oak their messages individually are not flag worthy

Fluttershy

@kalina Because you're super silent?

kalina

it is the cumulative effect

FEichinger

05:29

@Oak Some have, but generally it was messages that weren't flag worthy on their own. And we saw "being distruptive" not exactly as a thing to deal with trough global flags.

kalina

@Fluttershy yes but the dude growns through a new hole in his skull and then collapses right there next to the other dude

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Oak The problem with flags is that individual messages are presented without context, and thus, they are invalidated.

kalina

we have discussed using the flagging system to remove them but figured it would be an abuse of the system

Oak

Okay. I have to go to work - getting late. Will look into it when I am able. Flaggable messages or not, a key premise of participating in chat is to be nice, and this definitely sounds like it deserves a mod's attention.

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kalina

@Oak thanks for your attention on the matter so far, have fun at work

!

if it makes you feel any better, I'm off this week

Fluttershy

05:33

@kalina Me too!

kalina

:D

Fluttershy

I've been off for the last 10 weeks!

Also, it's still like 80 degrees in here.

kalina

oh wow

I've only got three weeks off

and that ends on Monday

Fluttershy

@kalina I'm unemployed. =\

kalina

@Fluttershy :(

I wouldn't be able to support my addictions if I was unemployed

Fluttershy

05:34

I have every day off. While I enjoy the perks, I miss the income and independence that came with said income.

kalina

tbh, having three weeks off in a row, I feel ready to go back to work

I won't feel like that on Monday for sure

but right now, there is absolutely no structure in my days

Fluttershy

@kalina Good luck restructuring in time. It can be a huuuuge pain in the ass.

kalina

meh, I don't worry about that, I will leave it until the last minute like always

tbh, if I force my day any further I will probably just stay up all night and then work on my first day back

I find that easier than trying to sleep when I'm wide awake

Fluttershy

I find the best way to reset a sleep schedule is to just power through the day and go to sleep at a "normal" time. I used to have to do that fairly often when I worked 24 hour shifts. Especially when I landed them every other day for two weeks.

@Krazer The message removal is getting a little out of hand.

kalina

A "little" is probably an understatement although it's obvious his intentions are good

if it's got to that stage though, you might has well just freeze the bridge

Fluttershy

05:40

@LessPop_MoreFizz Why you gotta pee on electric fences, man?

Krazer

Please guys just let things settle down

Fluttershy

Really, brain? You couldn't come up with a better metaphor than that?

LessPop_MoreFizz

►

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz I'm... a bit worried at how fast you came up with this.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Krazer I stopped caring a little while ago. He deserves every bit of venom I can muster.

@Fluttershy It's a classic!

FEichinger

05:42

@Krazer And I'm gonna say it again, the Bridge needs an ice coat.

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz This is true.

Krazer

I really don't want to resort to that

Fluttershy

@kalina Don't poke the bear. =\

Not that... he's a bear.

Christ... my brain sucks at metaphoring tonight.

kalina

he said "girl" gamer, followed by guy gamer without quotations

he was insinuating

it is my prerogative to set fire to him

Fluttershy

@kalina I know. But the email bit was unnecessary. As was putting an entire room into timeout for two people, but... whatevs.

@Krazer No offense intended, but why do something now when you all were refusing so clearly to do anything earlier?

kalina

05:49

@Fluttershy he doesn't want to take action against an individual, freezing the room controls the situation without targeting an individual

Fluttershy

@kalina Freezing the entire room just pisses its userbase off.

kalina

I didn't say I agreed with him freezing the room

I just detailed why he's doing it

Unionhawk

All right, I'm out of here. Roommate's done scheduling, and it's 2:00. I need sleep. Night all

kalina

@Unionhawk nn

FEichinger

sigh This has been a long, long night.

kalina

05:52

Lara "panting while walking" Croft suddenly became suicidal and jumped off a cliff

Fluttershy

@kalina I... don't remember this.

Krazer

@Fluttershy I'm sorry to have to do this. I realize my hesitation has cause unneeded agitation to you guys, but I did feel that the latest "girl" gamer comment did seem out of line.

Fluttershy

@FEichinger Yes it has.

kalina

@Fluttershy you don't remember her panting while walking?

Fluttershy

@Krazer I agree with that. Removing, to an extent, was okay. But I honestly felt the room timeout was unnecessary.

@kalina Yes. I don't remember her jumping off a cliff.

kalina

05:54

the jumping off a cliff part was me missing a jump

Fluttershy

Oh. That makes more sense.

kalina

its that silly bit where you're heading towards the research center or w/e

and you have the two lifts stuck that you need to pull into place

second one was swinging a bit too much and I missed it

FEichinger

The room should've been frozen for good in the middle of the chaos earlier, until a decision were formed. Now, it's just too late.

Fluttershy

@kalina I died there too!

kalina

it's a long way down!

Fluttershy

05:55

@FEichinger I disagree with this, but that's a discussion for another time. Potentially meta.

Krazer

@Fluttershy the other mods were suggesting more drastic measures, I just didn't want it to escalate any further than it has.

Fluttershy

@kalina Yes it is. Also....... I'd say you're at about 85% now. Maybe closer to 90%.

kalina

does this mean that everybody else will die soon?

Fluttershy

@Krazer The other mods? You mean the ones who also refused to do anything earlier? I'm not trying to call you out specifically here, and I truly don't intend to be disrespectful... But every one of you has stated that you don't know the whole story behind what's going on.

So I'm just... struggling to understand why action is being taken now.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy Because I started using curse words at a specific individual. Clearly.

kalina

05:59

@LessPop_MoreFizz YOU! It's your fault!

as punishment, more whisky!

LessPop_MoreFizz

@kalina I am almost out of it.

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