The difference between truth and fiction is that the latter must always be credible in order to work. - mark twain

Figures don't lie, but liars figure. - also twain

yes i learned a lot

dont use all caps

dont evoke outdated rules

dont spam

etc

listened to everything

i guess the chatroom really does shut down sometime

oh well

Nope, chat would still be flowing along just fine

and with wikipedia

i talk about games

I am a little confused about what just happened there

Wait, who sounded the alarms for evacuation

and why is Fechlinger whiteknighting?

yaya

whoopee

free at last

really guys

Yo, wanna see how many heads I've batted in?

why did i get banned

And suddenly, I remember why I was staying away.

@fbueckert hang fire before running

the trial by kafka

@johann

i dont know why im in jail

Man this is so edgy. 10/10 would edge again

hehe

retrosaur i have heard legends

people running from doomsday

@Johann Because you're a useless troll.

I think someone's just getting a little bit too far ahead of themselves.

ok I was trying everyone to calm down

everyone on chat take a deep breath

@Johann Just... go away for a day or so. At least. Then try again if you want.

...

i am so confused

Wait, nevermind, I didn't read what Johann was talking about

I am legendary, no?

@AnnaLear Hello!

Hey, it's @AnnaLear! Probably come to visit all of us!

this is what first day on chat has been - @FEichinger getting mad @kalina getting mad, me being a huge troll ? - retrosaur coming and i dont know

hey guys

Probably wondering why there is suddenly a whole load of flags happening

@AnnaLear hi

i am so confused

@Johann I'm not mad

sorry

@AnnaLear morning Anna

ok at least peevish

@Johann not even, I'm reasonably happy and quite high

@kalina I think it's still middle-of-the-nightish there.

This is the most attention I've ever received on joining this room. Everything ok? :)

Perfect fine! coughs

@AnnaLear eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

And I mispelled my words

you guys

And I mispelled that as well

@Fluttershy I feel bad.

who needs comedy central

Not agen, why does this happen to me

@AnnaLear It's certainly not the worse it's been...

retrosaur did you whitewash your profile

Yay, people are derailing the chat!

that is what everyone says

and also apparently that is a terrible question to ask

Everyone?

well not everyone

99.99% more germs

I don't know where I'm going with this

around that

is chat always like this

Um yes. Overzealous people who think little of others

@Johann No.

like the rest of humanity

SO TRUE

clap clap clap

Solution: Perma-ignore @Johann along with @Retrosaur and I don't even see half the conversation and everything is happy again.

insert generic death scene here

can i have a death scene

bioshock is the best

@StrixVaria 2/10 made me reply

hazy blur then fall

Oh no, if you spoil a 10 year old game, everyone in chat will admonish you and then put you on ignore for the rest of your life!

Don't do....oh crap. Too late.

it came out 2007

@Retrosaur The reason I got pissed at you was because you spoiled a game that hadn't even been out a year. Learn the difference.

@Fluttershy Wait, which game

I am terribly confused.

still confused

is anyone not confused

@Retrosaur you started teasing plot points from bioshock infinite the other day, is what is being referred to here

@Retrosaur Assassin's Creed 3.

ah

this chatroom is like tf2 - dont know what is happening

@kalina Um, where?

at all

@Retrosaur not today, the other day when you got banned 2-3 times in the space of a few hours

@Johann Incorrect. In TF2, you know your goal is to obtain hats.

@Retrosaur - spoiling bio infinite - you monster jk

my bad

largest hat simulator _EVAH

@kalina Oh, because fbueckert kept getting mad when I was making up factitious plot lines

wow spellcheck

I meant fictitious

but whatever floats your boat man.

did everyone leave because this place is a pigsty now

@Retrosaur the point was, without playing the game you didn't know they were fictitious, and we never tolerate spoilers in chat

i second that

@Retrosaur FYI: I didn't flag any of your messages. I still don't like you, though.

me and kalina agree GASP

does anyone like him

I like how fbueckert came here and left just to say that

what is that called

@FEichinger kept doing that

Um, I don't really like his profile picture

whose

reminds me too much of an oversied ego

Fbueckert

the badge

Yeah, well I don't give a shit about that anymore. You guys have used that more times than I have fingers

he earned it, somebody else made the avatar for him - do not see what the problem is

it reminds me of someone who is overbearing and hates irrevelant posts

against me, at least.

@Retrosaur Because you haven't been trying.

"Yay we give pretty badges out to people in here to signify power"

yay

Ego. That's the word

ok manifesto here

I wonder if I put hitler as my profile picture, would people be offended

what do you think

@Retrosaur you would get banned very quickly

@Retrosaur Badges don't signify power. If you took two seconds to understand how the site worked instead of just coming in here to troll, annoy, and berate users, you'd realize that.

this a community and you ruined it

@Fluttershy I'm not talking about the badge, I'm talking about the badge as his profile pic

yeah

did you see that

Yes, godwin's law has been invoked

Oh no, how did I communicate between parallel universes?

he

Only god knows! - Albert Fink

@Retrosaur You mean the one that's making a pun out of his earning the Marshal badge on the Site? That one? The one that has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with being humorous? That the one you're talking about?

@Retrosaur Yes. Yes I would.

@Fluttershy A pun? What

@Fluttershy yes he is

this is an alternate universe where the chatroom is exactly the same

But there's an escape pod

I'm completely confused

it is a pun because marshal rhymes with peanut

you guys

jk

is the topic on here EVER about gaming

@Johann yep

when

When it isn't forced.

i have been on here for a day and all of two minutes have been devoted to gaming

the other stuff was history lessons and getting banned

isnt the point of chat a place where the rules are kept less tightly

to give people more freedom

@Johann I see that you're new to Arqade and this chat. You might want to give it more time (or decide that it's just not for you) before you come in here and say folks here are doing it all wrong.

@Johann around the time that games are announced/released there are usually bursts of conversations relating to them

@Johann If by "other stuff" you mean when you and Retrosaur and Scootaloo pretty much destroyed chat.

@Johann there are no rules that a normal person having a friendly conversation will ever break on chat.se

so this is basically a social desert

@kalina Well, maybe profanity, depending on who happens to be around and your typical vernacular.

ok i defend @Scootaloo

@Johann no, this is the most active channel on the network as far as I know, but right now a lot of people are avoiding chatting here because of the noise that has been introduced

well ill shut up

and while that may come across as me being bitchy or unfriendly, it is borderline horrific that regulars that have chatted here for years are avoiding being here

sadly a lot of people assume I am being bitchy when I do as much as disagree with them

a few of us told you early on what you were doing wrong and you chose to ignore it, so it escalated into this

@WorldEngineer awwww <3

its fine, it's perfectly normal for me to talk to myself

it's fine, it's perfectly normal for me to look weird too

I take it, it's quiet again?

Sheesh.

@WorldEngineer You haven't been around the Bridge long enough. =P

@kalina <3

@Fluttershy <3

@kalina is more like a lovable scamp.

@WorldEngineer Huh?

@OrigamiRobot @kalina and @OrigamiRob sittin' in a tree.

@Fluttershy ಠ_ಠ

I love climbing trees

@WorldEngineer Oh, it's alright.

@WorldEngineer we're normally quite resistant to moderator intervention to be fair

We tried a lot of things to calm this down on its own. It didn't work, so it came to this. No biggie.

it's all good

The only thing we didn't try, because it just isn't really doable is a mass-ignore.

Ignore is great on a personal level, but for people being obnoxious like hell to everyone, it just doesn't work.

@WorldEngineer yeah, the problem is that it was an entirely social problem - he wasn't actually breaking any rules. He was just being profoundly stupid. Which... isn't something you can really ban someone for. :/

@FEichinger think @StrixVaria will disagree with you on that one, I think he put them all on ignore ages ago

Ignoring people is the best.

Amazingly, I only have 4 people on ignore right now.

@axrwkr me either, its 5-30am

@kalina As I said, it's great on a personal level. You don't have to watch it anymore. But it doesn't get anything done about it, which such stuff requires.

@kalina I thought that said "answer me"

@Fluttershy lol

@AnnaLear He was disruptive enough that people abandoned this room and made a new one without him.

To me, that is suspension-worthy, even if he doesn't do anything explicitly against the rules.

@AnnaLear The thing is, if we begin applying flags to that, it comes down to "QQ they banned me because they don't like me!" That doesn't really help us here either.

@StrixVaria @OrigamiRob DIDN'T EVEN SAY GOODBYE! sad

@Fluttershy ಠ_ಠ

@AnnaLear Yeah, this is true, but it was hard to pinpoint a moment at which that was obviously the case. Most of the disruption came in the form of just being aggressively oblivious to the existing culture. Which - happens pretty often. Not a week goes by that we don't get a new person to wander in and try to 'start an on topic discussion' while willfully ignoring the ongoing conversation.

@FEichinger it's best to leave flags out of it unless a flag is required

It's not a good reason to suspend them though - usually social cues work better and they get the message soon enough, either to join the conversation that is happening or leave.

@StrixVaria I didn't think you were a goon.

@LessPop_MoreFizz That's not the only place that spammed the crap out of that gif.

I don't want to be too flippant about this, but it's after midnight and it's my day off, so please forgive me.... Chat is awesome and I love it, but it's sort of like comments - a second-class SE citizen. If someone can't chat for a bit (even if the suspension turned out to be a mistake)... oh noes?

@kalina Without direct flagging, we need someone to decide. Which makes it even worse. That gives a specific target.

@StrixVaria It's where that gif came from. :(

@LessPop_MoreFizz Having never been to the SA forums, I wouldn't know that :P

@FEichinger yeah but in the middle of all of what just happened, four flags were raised for things that wouldn't normally result in a ban

and that shows a bit of a lack of integrity

plus, they're network wide, so everybody gets spammed with them

@kalina Hey, I raised precisely one flag there, and that was for an insult directed at me.

@StrixVaria Once upon a time, there was :smug:. And then there came :smugdog:. One day, someone gave :smugdog: sunglasses. And a meme was born.

@StrixVaria and FEichinger: For what its worth I do feel pretty bad about what happened. I noticed things blew up in the "Escape Pod" too, but there were only two messages by me in that room.

@FEichinger is calling somebody a white knight an insult?

@kalina Yes.

@kalina it can be

@kalina I explained it in the Escape Pod.

@Scootaloo I didn't see the beginning of it, but you eventually admitted your mistake, while the other participant was being much more stubborn.

ok well I wasn't sure on the meaning so I ignored the flag

Ok, it's way later than I wanted to stay up, but Bridge drama is entrancing for some reason.

I have to go to bed.

@StrixVaria nn

noite

bridge drama is always fun

o/

@FEichinger Just to clarify: are you saying I was white knighting? or was that for someone else?

So Poker Night at the Inventory 2 is only $5... Preordering would get me a copy of Poker Night 1. Bridge... Should I do this thing?

@Scootaloo no, the other guy said @FEichinger was

@Scootaloo No, @FEichinger was accused of white knighting by retrosaur.

Though I'm not sure retrosaur knows what that phrase actually means.

@Scootaloo Our dear special prince @Retrosaur found it appropriate to accuse me of white knighting. I assume for my lengthy rant.

@Fluttershy Do you like poker?

@LessPop_MoreFizz He's from 4chan. They have a pretty awful definition there.

@LessPop_MoreFizz I do.

@AshleyNunn This is true.

Is it possible for someone as notorious as @Retrosaur to redeem himself? or is it kind of too late for that?

@AshleyNunn Absolutely.

@Scootaloo Based on what happened a few minutes ago, my vote is for the latter.

@Fluttershy I did.

hats

Well I recall reading:

@Scootaloo everybody around here is very forgiving over time, it's a case of whether or not people want forgiving

@AshleyNunn Oh, yes, I do!

@Ullallulloo I don't play TF2, though... So hats don't really do much for me. Unless... Can I sell those hats?

:8882768 ProTip, don't bring it up.

:8882768 the context made this fine

@AshleyNunn Removed.

@Scootaloo ping!

@Fluttershy ?

I dunno. Everypony else was doing it.

@Fluttershy Yes, probably for about $4 total.

@Scootaloo He just wanted in on the pings.

@Ullallulloo So I'd get most of my money back... Hm...

@Scootaloo to be fair, you've not really done anything tonight by yourself, which is why out of the three you're the one that hasn't been banned

@Fluttershy Plus the PN1 items could go for a little, and you get BL2 items.

@kalina I guess that is a good thing?

@Ullallulloo I really want the Gunzerker hair. I also wish they hadn't screwed the Siren over.

@kalina Johann isn't either. He just left the room.

@Scootaloo well it means you're doing better than you did yesterday

@AnnaLear he was earlier for a period of time

ahh k

@kalina About 2 minutes.

@AnnaLear He was released from it because the flags were inappropriate.

@Fluttershy no there was one before that as well

Oh.

@FEichinger But were they, really? We've established that flagging stupidity for being disruptive was appropriate.

Well before Retro (whatever his name is) gets it back I think I'm going to hit the road. Bye.

@Fluttershy well, in addition to that we established that one of those flags was acceptable so he shouldn't have been unbanned

@AshleyNunn More fin du monde.

but shrug, it's dealt with

@Fluttershy No, we didn't. We established that a suspension is in order in such a situation. I disagree that our current means are appropriate to achieve that.

Saving the exotic stuff for later in the week.

@Scootaloo 'nite

@Scootaloo nn

I wish I had exotic beer. =(

I wish I had enough hand-eye coordination left to skin up

Skin up?

@kalina We're back to slutting up again, yeh?

@FEichinger Even if a suspension is in order, a flag is a poor way to go about it in such a situation. Since so much is dependent on context, better that a mod do it. Flags are really more about 'get this out of my chat right this second.'

@LessPop_MoreFizz Exactly.

@Fluttershy sorry I forgot you avoid the subject

@Fluttershy We've been over this

@FEichinger yes totally

let me just edit another mass effect save so I can simultaneously date the entire crew

@LessPop_MoreFizz But on the other hand, having a mod decide on a suspension for a non-bannable offense, not exactly the type of things I'd want to unload on mods either.

@AshleyNunn there are but that requires walking all the way downstairs

@kalina It's not really something I actively avoid. It's just one I don't really feel the need to communicate.

@AshleyNunn @Fluttershy Come to New York when I am back there, and I can introduce you to many exotic beers.

@Fluttershy meh, they're all talking about beer

@FEichinger But that's the point of mods. They're exception handlers. They're there to handle the things that aren't cut and dry and easy for the existing flag system to take care of automatically.

@FEichinger I actually think badp enjoys making those choices

@LessPop_MoreFizz That's a long drive. =\ You could've just brought me some when you were like 5 minutes from my house!

@Fluttershy Alternately, hop down to Memphis, I think I have a decent read on where good beer is at this point and I will be here a few months.

I think Memphis Beer Week is later this month or something

@LessPop_MoreFizz A few months? I can probably manage that... Maybe... It's a considerably shorter drive...

eugh, I still have shaping of the world on loop

and tomb raider is still paused

I'm so bad at this

@kalina It's a decent game. But as soon as I learned all DLC was multiplayer-only, I gave up on it.

@Fluttershy I like the bow

@LessPop_MoreFizz I agree, but I think it's one step too far. This isn't jut "not cut and dry", it's wrong by definition and only right in context. Which means: A lot of meta to deal with. Waiting half an hour could sometimes be better in that regard.

it's sad that's the most memorable mechanic in the game for me

although I quite liked the enclosed room where you released all of the gas and then threw a lantern in from the next room

@Fluttershy Till end of May at least.

I approached that completely wrong, and spent about 15 minutes wandering around looking for a button or a door I could open

@kalina That describes the past hour awfully well, when you think about it.

@FEichinger hardly, not a single meta post was made

@AshleyNunn Possibly, but it's looking less likely. :/